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Speedy deletion nomination of Martviri Sabatsmindeli

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Deletion discussion about Martviri Sabatsmindeli

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WPGC|class=start|importance=High

Stop removing all other wikiproject tags and replacing it with this. Just add it below or above existing ones and I don't think you should rate obscure royals as of high importance because of your own opinions and interest.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 06:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well you can change them to mid, low, stub. georgianJORJADZE 06:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have the time. --The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 06:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Ioane Mesvete

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I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Ioane Mesvete for deletion, because it's too short to identify the subject of the article.

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You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. -- L o g X 15:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ioane Mesvete

Add {{under construction}} template to that page and edit as you wish!

Happy editing! -- L o g X 16:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with nationalist or patriotic editing on Wikipedia

Your ethnic essentialist approach is problematic. Believe me, you are not the first who had this idea. As long as you show no appreciation of WP:BOMBARD I am not even going to bother trying to talk sense to you. Try to edit a topic you do not feel strongly about to get a feel for WP:RS and WP:NPOV. Then you will be welcome to write about your nation, as long as you the ethnic essentialism and stop assuming your readers are morons. --dab (𒁳) 07:32, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

George Balanchine

Please do not vandalize Wikipedia by adding pure POV, OR and other unsourced nonsense. Quis separabit? 00:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me? What I have to do with this article? GEORGIANJORJADZE 10:34, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Zan people for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Zan people is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Chakhokhbili

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September 2013

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Georgian letters

Hi. If you're going to have an article for each Georgian letter, then you'll want to see about replacing the links on the letters in the template {{georgian language}}, which I added to two of the articles (eni and gani). Right now they point to Wiktionary articles. —Largo Plazo (talk) 04:19, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Yes I am going to be perfecting those articles so thanks anyways for your suggestion. I will put those into it when I am done with all the issues concerning the letters. GEORGIANJORJADZE 11:14, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I seriously wonder whether the individual Georgian letters are sufficiently notable to justify giving each letter its own separate article. Unless there are sources discussing each Georgian letter individually (as can be done, for example, in the existing articles for Latin and Cyrillic letters), I'm strongly inclined to say that these Georgian letter articles should be deleted and (maybe, maybe not) replaced by redirects to the Georgian alphabet article. — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 04:44, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

With all respect Rich, I think you are wrong. Those letters will stay as I am going to perfect those articles time by time. It shows how the letters were changed by time from asomtavruli till mkhedruli so it is very much needed to have its own articles. Please note that it's not only the English wikipedia which will have the articles on seperate Georgian letters but there are other wikis as well on it and that means that it is an important issue to have its own articles about. GEORGIANJORJADZE 11:14, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Richwales. The letters already have individual articles on Wiktionary, that are linked from the template as Largoplazo mentioned. I don't think they have enough notability each for a wikipedia article. Susuman77 (talk) 08:18, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Same to you Susuman. Thanks for your interest though. GEORGIANJORJADZE 11:14, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The obvious solution would be a redirect. If GeorgianJOrjadze doesn't agree, then I guess WP:AfD will be the way to go. Dougweller (talk) 12:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And why is that? What is the problem with those articles which I am working now? I said I will add sources and will much improve them in time. Be patient please. No need to delete them at all. GEORGIANJORJADZE 12:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GJ, I would strongly recommend you show us all an example of what sort of detail you propose to add about each Georgian letter. Choose one letter, create a draft page in a subpage of your own user space (I can show you how to do this if you need help), and add all the material and sources you can. Right now, I think people are skeptical that there really is the amount of detailed, well-sourced information for each letter of the Georgian alphabet to support a separate article for each one — but if you can convince people via one really good "proof of concept" draft page, then you'll have a much better chance of gaining support for your idea. — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 14:50, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Elena Satine

Hi GeorgianJorjadze,

That alledged birth name for Elena Satine's appears to have originated in vandalism. See Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2011_September_4. Perhaps you saw it in an out-of-date Wikipedia mirror? It's a bit sad if there's still a site out there propagating this.

Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 23:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Adrian. She is known in Georgia as Skhirtladze and I can bring the sources who say that she is Elene Skhirtladze. So you're saying she is not Skhirtladze? So what is her birth surname then? Indeed I found nothing in English about her original surname. Maybe you know it? GEORGIANJORJADZE 23:52, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly I'm going by this edit and others from that account, in which a person who says she is the actress Elena Satine says that is her birth name, and she has no idea where the Skhirtladze name comes from. See also this and this edit; it appears Elena herself has edited for corrections several times. I can't find any reliable source in English that use "Skhirtladze", and it doesn't appear in imdb or her fansite. I realise they're both poor sources, though, and that I can't verify that User:Elenasatine really is who she says she is. Do you have a reliable source in Georgian that uses Skhirtladze? Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 01:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to Georgian media she really is an ethnic Georgian and is Elene Skhrtladze. That's weird as I also found none about her real surname over the English internet search engines. Here are some Georgian sources:

etc.

GEORGIANJORJADZE 01:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your contributed article, Bagrat Bagrationi (died in 988)

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Recent moves

Hi. I just wanted to draw your attention to several dubious renamings of Georgian nobility-related entries. The X (died 1234) formula is used for disambig purposes when we don't know the person's exact year of birth. When known, it should stay in the title. We do know the exact years of birth for both Prince Alexander of Imereti (died 1780) and Prince Alexander of Imereti (died 1711). So, the move was unwarranted in both cases, methinks. I also wanted to thank you for your recent articles on Georgian nobility. --Kober^Talk 17:17, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

გეხვეწები გაითვალისწინე რა ზემოთ რაც მოგწერე. Princess Mariam of Georgia (died 1072) - აქ რა შუაშია 1072?? არაა ცნობილი მარიამის გარდაცვალების წელი...--Kober^Talk 18:27, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ბევრ შეცდომას უშვებ გადარქმევების დროს და არ გინდა რომ ჯერ talk page-ზე განვიხილოთ ხოლმე??? საწყენად არ გეუბნები. უბრალოდ ყველაფერი ირევა ესე. --Kober^Talk 18:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

რა შეცდომა დავუშვი კონკრეტულად? რამე შემეშალა? Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 18:49, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ინგლისურში ზოგადად და კონკრეტულად ვიკის გაიდლაინებში, Vakhtang of Aragvi და Nino of Mingrelia ნიშნავს რომ ვახტანგი იყო არაგვიდან და ნინო სამეგრელოდან, რაც არასწორია ჩვენს შემთვევაში. Vakhtang, Duke of Aragvi კი აღნიშნავს არაგვის მისდამი კუთვნილებას. ასევე ნინოს შემთხვევაში. რაც შეეხება თეიმურაზ ბაგრატიონს ის არ ამერიკაში ცხოვრებისას საერთოდ არ იყენებდა მუხრანელის გვარს, მხოლოდ ბაგრატიონს, მამამისისგან განსხვავებით. კიდევ თანამედროვე ინგლისურში საუკუნეები რომაული ციფრებით აღარ იწერება. --Kober^Talk 18:53, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

talk page-ზე ყველაფერს და ყოველთვის ვერ დავწერ ახლა. ან არავინ შემოვა იქ და ან ონლაინ არ იქნება არავინ ასე რომ თუ შეცდომა იქნება ჩამისწორე ხოლმე მაშინ. Jorjadze (ჯჯჯ) 18:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ოკ :) --Kober^Talk 18:59, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ways to improve Ivan Aleksandrovich Bagration

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Tamar

Bold assertions like "She is known as Tamar the Great" need to be supported by sources. Can you prove that she was indeed mostly known as Tamar the Great, თამარ დიდი, etc.? --Kober^Talk 17:52, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ამ შემთხვევაში პირდაპირ ქართულიდან არ უნდა გადავთარგმნოთ მისი სახელი. თუ ასეა მაშინ "Tamar the King" უნდა დავარქვათ მაგრამ ესე არ გამოვა. საერთაშორისოდ კი მისი სახელი ამდაგვარად ნამდვილად მართებულია. თან თვითონ თემაშიც თუ შეხედავ ასე უწერია რაც ასევე სწორია. Jorjadze (talk) 20:39, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since this discussion might be of interest to other users, I'd prefer to converse in English. I understand your rationale. I'm not saying that she is not referred to as "Tamar the Great". It's definitely one of her epithets, but not the most common, identifiable one. --Kober^Talk 03:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Bagrationi

This is a little stale but I'm going to post it anyways. Other users have commented that your editing on the page is getting to be disruptive again. To prevent another block, would you agree to a 1RR on Georgian related topics? Elockid ^(Talk) 18:58, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Elockid:. What do you mean another block? And what is 7RR? Jaqeli (talk) 19:58, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of users have complained about how your behavior has returned to the way it was before your first block. In general, if users who have been unblocked return to the same type of behavior that caused them to be blocked in the first place, they are blocked again with less chances to successfully appeal a block. By 1RR I mean that you can only perform a single revert on a specific page per day. In another words, if a user has reverted your edit, seek consensus before reverting again. Elockid ^(Talk) 22:00, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Elockid: You can check all my edits and you can see that all of them are only improvements of the articles. I never vandalised any article and I am keeping my word as I've told you. Please see these articles: Bagrationi dynasty, Giorgi Bagrationi (born 2011) and Anna Bagration-Gruzinsky. You can check all me edits and reverts are made in a proper way and is only contribution-oriented. And why am I discriminated with 1 revert? See the history of these pages and you will see that the user "FactStreet" was vandalising the articles in reality. He/She changed the surnames, names of children and has put the unsourced people in the bar of "head of dynasty" and all I did was changing them back to the sourced one. See yourself the history of those articles and you'll see I am not the wrong one here. I did not edit war, I just reverted back to the improved version which was sourced and clear of many mistakes in the article. Jaqeli (talk) 22:31, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This or this isn't considered vandalism. Edit summaries like these would generally be considered disruptive. In general, edits would be considered vandalism if they were deliberately made in bad faith which I don't believe those edits were. They seem to be made in good faith. Again, this is a content dispute. Also, another user reverted you which you reverted. You're reverting 3 different users and people usually consider that grounds for blocking for edit warring. Elockid ^(Talk) 02:04, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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 This is a little stale but I'm going to post it anyways. Other users have commented that your editing on the page is getting to be disruptive again. To prevent another block, would you agree to a 1RR on Georgian related topics? <span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:14px"><b><font color="#4682B4">[[User:Elockid|Elockid]]</font></b></span>   <sup>(<font color="#99BADD">[[User talk:Elockid|Talk]]</font>)</sup> 18:58, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
+::Hello {{ping|Elockid}}. What do you mean another block? And what is 7RR? [[User:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] ([[User talk:Jaqeli#top|talk]]) 19:58, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
+:::A couple of users have complained about how your behavior has returned to the way it was before your first block. In general, if users who have been unblocked return to the same type of behavior that caused them to be blocked in the first place, they are blocked again with less chances to successfully appeal a block. By 1RR I mean that you can only perform a single revert on a specific page per day. In another words, if a user has reverted your edit, seek consensus before reverting again. <span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:14px"><b><font color="#4682B4">[[User:Elockid|Elockid]]</font></b></span>   <sup>(<font color="#99BADD">[[User talk:Elockid|Talk]]</font>)</sup> 22:00, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
+::::{{ping|Elockid}} You can check all my edits and you can see that all of them are only improvements of the articles. I never vandalised any article and I am keeping my word as I've told you. Please see these articles: [[Bagrationi dynasty]], [[Giorgi Bagrationi (born 2011)]] and [[Anna Bagration-Gruzinsky]]. You can check all me edits and reverts are made in a proper way and is only contribution-oriented. And why am I discriminated with 1 revert? See the history of these pages and you will see that the user "FactStreet" was vandalising the articles in reality. He/She changed the surnames, names of children and has put the unsourced people in the bar of "head of dynasty" and all I did was changing them back to the sourced one. See yourself the history of those articles and you'll see I am not the wrong one here. I did not edit war, I just reverted back to the improved version which was sourced and clear of many mistakes in the article. [[User:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] ([[User talk:Jaqeli#top|talk]]) 22:31, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
+:::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bagrationi_dynasty&diff=581891423&oldid=581852123 This] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bagrationi_dynasty&diff=581322397&oldid=581207657 this] isn't considered vandalism. Edit summaries like these would generally be considered disruptive. In general, edits would be considered vandalism if they were deliberately made in bad faith which I don't believe those edits were. They seem to be made in good faith. Again, this is a content dispute. Also, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bagrationi_dynasty&diff=581902427&oldid=581891423 another user] reverted you which you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bagrationi_dynasty&diff=581907070&oldid=581902427 reverted]. You're reverting 3 different users and people usually consider that grounds for blocking for edit warring. <span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:14px"><b><font color="#4682B4">[[User:Elockid|Elockid]]</font></b></span>   <sup>(<font color="#99BADD">[[User talk:Elockid|Talk]]</font>)</sup> 02:04, 23 November 2013 (UTC)