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Mediation update Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/United States[edit]

Over the course of six months, eight editors and a mediator consulted on the scope of the United States to determine a sourced lede sentence for the United States article, with an eye to resolving how the total area of the United States should be reported in the Infobox. The mediation has been successful and the participants reached consensus on the issues and have a proposed a new lede sentence for the article which is to be accompanied by a note. It has been agreed by the participants and the mediator that the proposed lede and accompanying note would be presented to article editors and members of the WP community as a Request for comment. It was agreed from the outset that the statement in the lede sentence of the article would have a footnote to explain the inclusion of U.S. territories, the consensus was to use the geographical sense of the United States for a general readership in an international context. Participants in the RfC are invited to survey the summary boxes below and the discussions at the link Requests for mediation/United States. (To review tables, click "show" in column 1)

Mediation sources deliberation The mediation consensus was arrived at not only by a numerical count of sources, but also taking into consideration geographical extent as national jurisdiction, territory formally claimed internationally, homeland security and definitions of the "United States" found in law, proclamation and international reports.

The “United States" defined in a geographic sense is, "any State of the United States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, any possession…” Homeland Security Public Law 107-296 Sec.2.(16)(A), Presidential Proclamation of national jurisdiction [19], US State Department Common Core report to United Nations Human Rights Committee [20]

Table of acquisitions[edit]

The quick reasons I can think of why this isn't good: The U.S. changed its borders many times other than these; the cost is irrelevant without accounting for inflation; the area doesn't add up to anything else in the article; it likely doesn't take into account losses, like with the Webster-Ashburton Treaty or the Treaty of 1818; it ignores substantial but past holdings like the Philippines; it is way too much detail for too little payoff in an already-overlarge article; it's vastly better handled in other articles; and the sourcing, to a 1972 edition of Rand McNally, is, to put it mildly, curious. --Golbez (talk) 19:31, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree. The chart is incomplete, it does not cover all acquisitions and ignores cessions. No reason why the Panama Canal Zone is mentioned, but not Guantanamo Bay, for example, or why the annual amount paid to Panama is excluded or the return of the zone to Panama. A lot of explanation is required but that puts it beyond the scope of this short article. TFD (talk) 19:43, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
I have an almost identical table in my 1967 Rand McNally World Atlas, which has notes detailing the Philippines and Panama, but not as part of the table. Leaving aside the question of lifting such contents wholesale, the table is otherwise questionable (its over-referencing; its Hawaiian area, which is slightly at variance with the 6,449 sqmi at Republic of Hawaii, or the 6,424 sqmi in my edition; and the omission of the 133 sqmi area for the Virgin Islands). However, the table is succinct in a way that the most-closely-related Wikipedia articles (Territorial evolution of the United States, linked from the this article's sectional hatnote, and United States territorial acquisitions, linked from "Territorial evolution..."), are not. Dhtwiki (talk) 07:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I added a new table: U.S. territorial acquisitions and costs. It would be great to get help... there were slight variations on sq. mileage and dates between sources.

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U.S. territorial acquisitions and costs[edit]

Accession Date Area (sq.mi.) Cost in Dollars
Original territory of the Thirteen States 1783 892,135 -----[1]
Louisiana Purchase, from France 1803 827,987 $15,000,000[2][3]
Florida (East and West), purchased from Spain 1819 72,101 $5,000,000[4][5]
Annexation of Texas 1845 389,166 -----[6][7]
Oregon Territory, by treaty with Great Britain 1846 286,541 -----[8]
Mexican Cession 1848 529,189 15,000,000[9][10]
Gadsden Purchase, from Mexico 1854 29,670 10,000,000[11]
Baker Island, unincorporated territory claimed under Guano Act of 1856 1857 0.5 -----[12]
Howland Island, unincorporated territory claimed under Guano Act of 1856 1857 0.6 -----[13]
Jarvis Island, unincorporated territory claimed under Guano Act of 1856 1857 1.7 -----[14]
Johnston Atoll, unincorporated territory claimed under Guano Act of 1856 1857 1.1 -----[15]
Purchase of Alaska, from Russia 1867 591,000 7,200,000[16][17][18]
Midway Islands, annexation of unoccupied area 1867 2 -----[19]
Hawaiian Islands annexaction 1898 6,450 -----[20][21]
Philippine Islands, purchased from Spain (Full independence was granted in July, 1946) 1898 115,800 20,000,000[22][23]
Puerto Rico, by treaty with Spain 1898 3,508 -----[24]
Guam, by treaty with Spain 1899 209 -----[25][26]
American Samoa, by treaty with Great Britain and Germany 1899 76 -----[27][28]
Panama Canal Zone, by treaty with Panama 1903 553 $10,000,000 (plus $250,000 annually)[29][30]
Guantanamo, by treaty with Cuba 1903 45 $3,386.25 (rent annually) [31]
Virgin Islands, by purchase from Denmark 1917 136 $25,000,000[32][33]
Kingman Reef, annexed 1922 0.4 -----[34]
Kanton Island and Enderbury Island, joint occupation with Britain (Independent as Kiribati in 1979) 1938 6.5 -----[35]
Mariana Islands, United Nations Trust Territory; self-governing as Northern Mariana Islands 1947 179 -----[36]
Caroline Islands, United Nations Trust Territory; 1986 most islands adopt commonwealth status as Federated States of Micronesia 1947 500 -----[37]
Marshall Islands, United Nations Trust Territory; 1979 self-governing; 1986 independent as Republic of the Marshall Islands 1947 70 -----[38]

KamelTebaast 00:03, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  2. ^ https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/louisiana-purchase
  3. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  4. ^ World Atlas. Chicago / New York / San Francisco: Rand McNally. 1972. p. 90. 
  5. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  6. ^ World Atlas. Chicago / New York / San Francisco: Rand McNally. 1972. p. 90. 
  7. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  8. ^ World Atlas. Chicago / New York / San Francisco: Rand McNally. 1972. p. 90. 
  9. ^ World Atlas. Chicago / New York / San Francisco: Rand McNally. 1972. p. 90. 
  10. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  11. ^ https://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/gadsden-purchase
  12. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  13. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  14. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  15. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  16. ^ World Atlas. Chicago / New York / San Francisco: Rand McNally. 1972. p. 90. 
  17. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  18. ^ https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/alaska-purchase
  19. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  20. ^ World Atlas. Chicago / New York / San Francisco: Rand McNally. 1972. p. 90. 
  21. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  22. ^ http://nationalmap.gov/small_scale/mld/usacqup.html
  23. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  24. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  25. ^ World Atlas. Chicago / New York / San Francisco: Rand McNally. 1972. p. 90. 
  26. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  27. ^ World Atlas. Chicago / New York / San Francisco: Rand McNally. 1972. p. 90. 
  28. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  29. ^ World Atlas. Chicago / New York / San Francisco: Rand McNally. 1972. p. 90. 
  30. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  31. ^ http://time.com/3672066/guantanamo-bay-history/
  32. ^ World Atlas. Chicago / New York / San Francisco: Rand McNally. 1972. p. 90. 
  33. ^ $25,000,000
  34. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  35. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  36. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  37. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
  38. ^ http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1049.html
I see that you've learned to combine references, at the new article that you've created. I question such a creation, though. If it is appropriate, the table should probably be linked from one of the geography articles mentioned above, and not directly from here. There should also be some attempt to make sure your figures are in accordance with the numbers given on other pages. You might have a reasonable summary table eventually, but it's unnecessarily detailed for this article. Dhtwiki (talk) 07:03, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
The purchase amounts are not comparable because some were free market and others were coercive. After the Spanish American war, for example, the U.S. acquired territories and paid nominal amounts as part of a peace settlement. TFD (talk) 16:01, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

US insular areas SVG.svg[edit]

It's Northern Mariana Islands rather than Northern Marina Islands. I just don't know how to change maps.

In this case, it was an SVG, which are text documents that are displayed as images, so it was thankfully just a matter of searching for "Marina" and changing it. I've done so and uploaded it; thanks! --Golbez (talk) 13:54, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2016[edit]

Please add a section under the military about terrorism. Since the United States is active in the Middle East, this is important to include. Oh say can you see, by the dawn's early light 15:36, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:44, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Unanswered Telex question[edit]

Is the US properly the ancestral home of the internet, or does the Telex lay greater claim to that title? Hint: Tickertape. EllenCT (talk) 03:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

In the recent discussion that I remember, we decided that the Internet, as a particular set of methods to network computers, can be fairly said to have originated in the US, even if fundamental concepts, and other implementations accomplishing similar goals, originated elsewhere. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:56, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Update on racial composition[edit]

the article shows the data from 2010, as we are in 2016 the article shoulda be updated. the official census shows data from 2015: http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00

Race and Hispanic Origin:

White alone, percent, July 1, 2015

77.1%

Black or African American alone, percent, July 1, 2015 13.3%

American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, July 1, 2015 1.2%

Asian alone, percent, July 1, 2015 5.6%

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, July 1, 2015 0,2%

Two or More Races, percent, July 1, 2015 2.6%

Hispanic or Latino, percent, July 1, 2015 17.6%

White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, July 1, 2015 61,6% — Preceding unsigned comment added by LucasFanch (talkcontribs) 18:23, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

HDI, etc[edit]

The lead currently says that the US "It leads the world in several measures of socioeconomic performance;" however, none of the lists linked there actually has the US at the top. Surely this wording is a little misleading? Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

The links in that sentence lead to List of countries by average wage (US, 4th), Human Development Index (8th), List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita (5th), with the CBS citation supporting the US being at the top in "productivity per person". Perhaps the wording should be changed to "a leader in the world" or "ranks highly". The US is the top country at List of countries by GDP (nominal), which was linked in the previous sentence. Dhtwiki (talk) 10:49, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, a slight tweak is all I'm looking for. It is near the top of all those lists, and that is a fact relevant to the lead; we just need to not imply that it is number 1 in all those lists. I would prefer "ranks highly" for that reason; if we want to avoid weasel words, we can say "Ranks in the top-ten" but that is rather wordy. If no further objections are raised, I will add "ranks highly" in the next couple of days. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:01, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Agreed.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 17:14, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2016[edit]


55 million Hispanics in the US source: http://www.census.gov/newsroom/facts-for-features/2015/cb15-ff18.html

Ayarrow (talk) 23:40, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Ayarrow (talk) 23:40, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 01:15, 28 July 2016 (UTC)