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Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2017[edit]

America is not a dictatorship 74.62.227.139 (talk) 00:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

The vandalism has been cleaned up. —C.Fred (talk) 02:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

I Broke My Promise[edit]

Hello. I was involved in that debate in November and December about changing the sentence that says, "Within American political culture, the center-right Republican Party is considered 'conservative' and the center-left Democratic Party is considered 'liberal.'" (See "Parties and Elections" under "Government and Politics.") I was arguing that it should be changed, because the Republicans have moved to the right and have become a far-right party. I promised that I would get back to the debate this week. I didn't. Sorry. I am a graduate student. My grades last semester were pretty lousy, and my teachers are telling me that I need to work harder. So I definitely don't have time for Wikipedia debates. This semester ends at the end of May. Maybe I'll return to this debate then.

But I hope that in the meantime, someone else takes up the debate. The Republicans are a far-right party, not a center-right party. I mean, come on, they deny the existence of man-made global warming. I'm a grad student studying atmospheric and oceanic sciences, and I can assure you that global warming is real and that it is indeed caused by humans. So the Republicans are denying indisputable science, which is really unacceptable. They are not a center-right party. Center-right parties don't deny science. Thegoldenconciseencyclopediaofmammals (talk) 05:55, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

No single person gets to determine what is exactly is far-right, especially if one issue is being used as evidence. For example, a party that favours a government-owned pension system and a fairly sizeable welfare state would be considered left-wing by many. Their opinion, however, does not matter. In the current zeitgeist of the United States, that party is considered centre-right. Its policies fall within the nation's Overton Window, meaning that they are not viewed as extremist. Zach Vega (talk to me) 14:26, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Typo in the "Science and technology" section.[edit]

"This in turn led to the establishment of many new technology companies and regions around the county such as Silicon Valley in California."

Should probably be:

This in turn led to the establishment of many new technology companies and regions around the country such as Silicon Valley in California.

CarlosTheMagician (talk) 09:35, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Vsmith (talk) 13:48, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Official language of states[edit]

In footnote a in the Info box, please change "English is the official language of 32 states" to "English is the official language of 28 states" to match the current status of the source provided at Official language of the United States. (i.e. [1]). -- 162.238.240.55 (talk) 20:38, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

That is an outdated list from English First (with "copyright 2011" clearly shown at the bottom of the source, which should provide an ample clue that it's anything but "current status"). In 2016, West Virginia became the 32nd state to adopt English as an official language, and a source article from the other main US monitoring organization, US English, corroborates this; it was added to the article "United States." The "Official language of the United States" WP article is the one needing a more current status. It hasn't been touched in quite a while. Mason.Jones (talk) 00:38, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Already answered EvergreenFir (talk) 07:18, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Ethnic groups (infobox)[edit]

Good job with this to whom it may concern. Thumbs up Savvyjack23 (talk) 06:43, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Area[edit]

"Whether the United States or China is larger has been disputed." Like, what?????

Even if you don't count Taiwan, China is bigger. The figures in reference are from the CIA, counting coastal and territorial waters for the US - but NOT for China. This cannot seriously be a debate. You might aswell count the Oceans, and the Middle East, and Canada and... the South China Sea for China? BTW, my dick is 108cm (length of leg included). Wikipedia, what the heck... EnTerbury (talk) 05:54, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Protip: Don't insult the people you're trying to convince. There might be a good discussion to be had here, but you went out of your way to sour it. [also, my condolences on your micropenis] --Golbez (talk) 14:43, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Wow. If you read that again, I did not insult anybody, so you out of the blue being offended by that, I must assume you are the one with a problem down below?
All I did was making a stupid example applying the same flawed logic we should actually be dealing with here, so that everybody can understand the issue, including you. There was no insult intended at all, if you thought somehow I was referring to your size specifically, I can assure to you, I wasn't. Neither did I refer to the Donald. I didn't even take the time to measure the length of my leg. So instead of arguing my point, you start to insult me with no ground whatsoever. And then my so-called "insult" somehow also diminishes the need for discussion? So here's my protip: Don't make yourself sound like a retard. Yes, that's an insult. EnTerbury (talk) 11:04, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
You come in out of nowhere (having never interacted on this talk page) and tell people who have debated this for years that it can't possibly be a serious debate and that you have all the answers, then go through to thoroughly mock the consensus that we have; perhaps you'll someday figure out why that's a very poor way to try to make a point. Was I too sensitive? Maybe. (also, "I must assume you are the one with a problem down below" are you accusing me of sockpuppetry?) --Golbez (talk) 16:03, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
The discrepancy is detailed at List of sovereign states and dependencies by area#cite note-3rd-largest-14. I myself do not care which and I do not think Wikipedia should arbitrate it. If there is no consensus among sources, then Wikipedia should simple report that there is no consensus among sources. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 21:21, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
I don't understand how this is a matter of arbitration. Your bottomline, as I understand, is that there is no common consensus. This, however, is related to the figures including coastal and territorial waters, which are not counted for any other country in the same list. So the argument essentially is, every country is listed by this standard, but we're not sure about these two countries with another standard applied, let's agree to a tie maybe? We may have another list with a tie, but not here. So please, specify your viewpoint, tell me where I'm wrong, and if you don't care and I don't hear argument against my case I will go ahead and correct the page. All I want is Wikipedia to state the truth. EnTerbury (talk) 11:04, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Please review WP:NPOV, WP:V, and WP:NOR. Under those policies, when there is no consensus among sources, Wikipedia simply reports that and leaves it at that. Also, review WP:CIVILITY. --Coolcaesar (talk) 06:29, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Slightly unrelated, but the lead part of the article ('fourth largest by total area and fourth largest by land area') doesn't match the text in the geography section ('third or fourth by total area and third largest by land area'). Personally not entirely sure which is right. It seems Canada is behind the us in land area according to the body but not the lead. And the lead also doesn't seem to account for the us-vs-China uncertainty detailed here. AgnosticAphid talk 08:03, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
I think, for the sake of consistency, the lead should be changed to reflect what's in the geography section (third or fourth largest). As for the "us-vs-China uncertainty", a footnote is already cited in the lead, which I believe clarifies what needs to clarified. -- ChamithN (talk) 09:52, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Can we add this bit about the US's age?[edit]

As of July 4, 2016, the United States of America is 240 years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoredBored (talkcontribs) 18:54, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Not a good idea, as that would require yearly updating. In my experience it is better to avoid such maintenance requirements. Arnoutf (talk) 18:58, 16 February 2017 (UTC)