Talk:Brooklyn/Archive 2

Size[edit]

Since 1896, Brooklyn has had the same boundaries as Kings County, which is now the most populous county in New York State and the second most densely populated county in the United States, after New York County (Manhattan).[2]

That doesn't seem to make sense. Am I right in thinking that Manhattan is also in NYS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.229.145 (talk) 04:02, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That issue is addressed in another section -- see Population density below. Vereverde (talk) 15:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The opening sentence reads, "Brooklyn is New York City's most populous borough with approximately 2.5 million residents,[1] and second largest in area." The last phrase is slightly ambiguous because of its proximity to the premise in the beginning of the sentence. Someone reading the sentence as a whole might think that Brooklyn is the most populous borough in NYC, and second most populous borough in the region. Would it be better to say, "and geographically it is the second largest borough in size"? Vereverde (talk) 15:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Crime Section[edit]

The 'crime' section is a two-sentence stub, and in its current form may as well be removed. I notice some fairly substantial paragraphs regarding crime in the history of the page which have been deleted without explanation (but which did, like many other parts of this article, lack citation.

Could anyone with a bit more knowledge in this field add something appropriate? I believe crime is (unfortunately for those with pride in the city) fairly synonymous with Brooklyn.Prettyian (talk) 10:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Needed additions[edit]

This article has recently undergone extensive revisions. It needs improvements to "Transportation" and "Sites of interest" (which should be turned into a new "Tourism" section). "Neighborhoods" needs to be reworked. A new section on architecture is needed, which should discuss Brooklyn's unique brownstones, the Williamsburg Savings Bank, and the Brooklyn Bridge. Wv235 05:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on Transportation. --Larry V (talk | contribs) 15:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Bensonhurst" is misspelled. Oh, Wikipedia!

On "Education", some schools are missing. Polytechnic University of New York is in B'klyn Heights. CUNY CityTech is there, too, and it's really large.

I removed "(I hate)" which was put in front of Brooklyn. I did google it though, fascinating stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.184.101 (talk) 09:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The unemployment rate desperately needs an update. I'm not certain of the number, but Brooklyn's unemployment rate has most certainly exceeded 5.9% since January of 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.206.233.67 (talk) 19:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Possible new image[edit]

linked here, http://brooklynramblings.blogspot.com/2006/07/bushwick-beer-capital-of-northeast.html, this map shows the founding 6 town of brooklyn in good detail, how does one go about inquiring copyright details, as I'd like to add it to this wiki.

Hey, this is Sonja of Brooklyn Ramblings. I got that image from Brooklyn Geneology, http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com, Image is http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Image/Bushwick/BushwickMap.jpg. You can probably just contact them directly to find out where they got it.

It's from the 1946 Brooklyn Daily Eagle. http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Town/Bushwick/index.html Taco (talk) 23:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi add http://www.hellobrooklyn.com to your links on Brooklyn. It's by far the most informative website in Brooklyn. Thanks - a hellobrooklyn.com fan

Famous Brooklynites[edit]

Some one should compile a list of famous Brooklynites from popular music, movies, industry, politics. Some famous people from Brooklyn, right off the top of my head are: Larry David, Barbara Streisand, Neil Diamond, David Geffen (of Geffen Records), Spike Lee, Moe, Larry and Curly from the Three Stooges.... There are probably dozens of well known people originaly from BKLYN, not to memention, some extremely successful and wealthy people. There are also many famous people buried in Brooklyn: Boss Tweed (local politican portrayed in the film "Gangs of New York."

Why, you. . . I oughta. . . Larry Fine is from Philadelphia! ;->

New Netherlands box[edit]

The box of 17th Century governors and communities is mere clutter, in this article. Same with any map from that era. Such material belongs in History of Brooklyn where it can do good. Jim.henderson 06:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Remove poor quality sources[edit]

Overall a good article on Brooklyn, but does low-quality, generally unwatched and undiscussed web content like "The Burg" really deserve to be cited? It's an obscure, amateur web show (which I didn't know about until seeing it pretty much -advertised- here), and doesn't speak for the public as suggested by it being cited for the L train being known as something "colloquially".

The L train is better discussed in New York Magazine, probably a more credible source than whatever that Burg thing is. http://nymag.com/nymetro/realestate/neighborhoods/features/14884/.

I suggest removing the "hipster express" and its source link - it brings down the quality of Wikipedia to see it relying on information from poor quality sources.

The map coordinates listed are wrong. They should be 40 deg 42' 51" N, 74 deg 0' 22" W.

The phrase "Another highlight of Brooklyn's Media is the unprecedented celebrities that were born and raised in Brooklyn. Two of the biggest celebrities are hip hops own Notorious B.I.G and Jay-Z. Both Biggie and Jay-Z are known to be two of the greatest in the hip hop. While rising to the top they never forgot about where they came from and have numerous tracks that gives "shout outs" to their hometown Brooklyn. One of Jay-Z's latest records features another Brooklyn native called Santigold in a song called "Brooklyn We Go Hard." " seems like it was written by a 3rd grader, and needs revision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.137.69 (talk) 16:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Failed "good article" nomination[edit]

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of December 6, 2006, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: The article is mostly well-written, although the prose could be tightened up. The Culture section could use a rewrite to make it easier to read, and the Tourism section could also use work.

2. Factually accurate?: Very thin on references. Fifteen citations for a 39k article is insufficient. Many sections completely lack citations.

3. Broad in coverage?: The article offers broad coverage of its topic. Very good use of 'main article' and 'see also' links to additional information that might be of interest.

4. Neutral point of view?: Mostly NPOV. The few exceptions might be cleared up by citation.

5. Article stability? Article appears reasonably stable.

6. Images?: Images are all properly tagged and seem appropriate.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. Thanks for your work so far. --Shimeru 21:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Class Article?[edit]

The article is rated B class. Should it be rated A-Class? It seems pretty complete, even if it needs more citations. -- Ssilvers 15:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added a new section on the language because the language I think is a important subject because it helps people understand the culture of brooklyn more. Since i myself is from and still from brooklyn I know what people say and also what it means.

also if some1 finds any mistake plz tell me but only if u r from brooklyn.

NPOV[edit]

How is the following NPOV?

Though a part of New York City, Brooklyn maintains a distinct character of its own. Brooklyn is enriched by an almost unparalleled cultural diversity, a cutting-edge art scene, strong neighborhoods, and phenomenal Nineteenth Century architecture.

I think someone else could do a better job rewriting this than I could. DeSales 15:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It does read like a tourism pamphlet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ultron (talk • contribs) 17:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Population density[edit]

I don't understand the bit in the introduction that reads

Brooklyn is coterminous with Kings County, which is the most populous county in New York State, and the second most densely populated county in the United States[2] (after New York County, which is coterminous with Manhattan).

Is New York County not part of New York State, then? Classical geographer 09:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What's causing the confusion exactly? It's pretty clear to me - New York County is the most densely populated county in NYS, and Kings County is next. Brooklyn has more people than Manhattan, but Manhattan has a smaller area than Brooklyn, so it's more densely populated. --Ytny (talk) 12:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the confusion is in that the sentence can be read as if it is saying Kings County is the most populous county in NYS and the parenthetical only modifies "the second most densely populated county in the United States." For some reason, I read it that way the first couple of times and couldn't see why you couldn't see the confusion. I can think of a few ways to rewrite and will attempt it if a better copy writer and editor doesn't first. DeSales 05:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am pretty sure that BERGEN COUNTY, NJ (Across the Hudson from Manhattan) is the most densely populated county in the US.

authoritative source[edit]

http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=DEC_10_SF1_GCTPH1.US05PR&prodType=table I think the census bureau is authoritavie, and they clearly show Manhattan as offscale compared to the rest of the us (in fact, if memory serves, manhattan is the only place in the us where pop density approaches asian standards) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.236.121.54 (talk) 17:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"It is the largest borough in the NYC area by size, no matter what any other source says."[edit]

This comment is completely unfounded. Not only do the numbers of general area and land area shown in the side-panel prove that Queens is the largest borough, but all one has to do is look at a map to see that Brooklyn is in fact smaller than Queens. Now, I am a native Brooklynite, and I completely understand Brooklyn pride, but no sentiment of belonging justifies misinformation. I strongly suggest this comment be removed. It sounds more like something I would hear on the street than read in an encyclopedia, and comments like these are what debase the value of Wikipedia as a good source of reference.

Agreed, I removed it.--Guyver8400 12:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New York City Meetup[edit]

The agenda for the next meetup includes the formation of a Wikimedia New York City local chapter. Hope to see you there!

No mention of rap or hip hop in culture[edit]

Brooklyn is one of the most influential areas on the planet when it comes to hip hop music, artists such as mos_def renowned the world over are from Brooklyn. This ought to be represented in the culture section prominently. Wikimam (talk) 22:06, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crime[edit]

In the year of 2006 and 2007 brooklyn has more murder in its northern region than all of queens county had for both north and south. About 40% more. Of the new recruits for the NYPD 1/3 of operation impact will be going to northern brooklyn.... can anyone incorporate some of this into this article. Ny1 has the broadcast ill link it. http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=9&aid=76912 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.218.59 (talk) 02:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cspbbn.pdf

GAN failed[edit]

Sorry, it's not ready for GA yet. More referencing needed. The Geography section has 1 ref in total, for instance. Refs need formatting; {{cite web}} suggested. Also, short paragraphs need to be expanded/cleaned up. Please look at some GA city articles for a feel of how it should look. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 01:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I may just add to that, I think that the article looks great and is very informative. If the referencing issue is sorted out then I've got no doubt that it'll succeed next time. Nice job. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I will nominate it again when this is all fixed. Good luck to all of us.--RyRy5 ^{Got something to say?} 01:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, good luck. I'm happy to take a look when you think it's ready. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 01:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Crime[edit]

"From the 1970s to the 1990s, parts of Brooklyn were considered among the most dangerous urban areas in the United States. Crime rates in most of the borough have since dropped significantly but parts including areas in the central area of Bushwick stretching all the way to East New York continue to have problems with crimes. Many areas of southern Brooklyn have shown dramatic crime decreases over the past few years.^{[citation needed]}"

Brooklyns north task force reported 117 murders in 2008.

Brooklyn north = 117 murders
Brooklyn south = 95

2.5 million people with 212 murders

Queens north = 23
Queens south = 72

2.2 million with 95 murders

Staten Island = 21

0.5 million with 21 murders

Bronx = 132

1.3 million with 132 murders

Manhattan north = 43
Manhattan south = 19

1.6 million with 62 murders

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/crime_prevention/crime_statistics.shtml

Wikipedia: Wikipedia Loves Art museum photo weekend[edit]

Join us the evenings of Friday February 6 and Saturday February 7 around Wikipedia Loves Art! museum photography events at the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Brooklyn Museum.

There will also be a special business meeting on Saturday dedicated to discussing meta:Wikimedia New York City issues with guests from the Wikimedia Foundation.

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To keep up-to-date on local events, you can also join our mailing list.--Pharos (talk) 01:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New York's Five Boroughs at a Glance[edit]

Why does this article have the {{NYC boroughs}} box way down in References, whilst the other four have it in the lede? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. I created that table (before it was converted to a template by someone else to save space and simplify updating) and I tried to put it near the maps at the top of the borough articles. That's also the reason that someone else started the yellow shading, to match the maps'. It can be tricky to fit the table between the Information Box and table of contents so that it works reasonably well with all screen sizes, font sizes, browsers and machines. On the other hand, one reason I made the table was to clarify the lead paragraphs' comparison of different boroughs' land and population. —— Shakescene (talk) 18:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox[edit]

I think the population of the county for 2000 should be put in the infobox (not just a 2008 estimate). (I cannot edit the box correctly myself.) The 2000 population should be put in the first paragraph of the article, replacing the approximate number. hello (talk) 09:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong info Fasces?[edit]

The introduction on the motto and logo states "...also feature a young robed woman bearing fasces, a traditional emblem of republicanism." The link is dead, and the Wiki article on fasces, doesn't say republicanism, but "power and jurisdiction, and/or strength through unity" (the last makes more sense with the motto). It says only that it was a symbol of the Roman Republic (representing penal power according to Brittanica), so not "representing rupublicanism". Anyone know what is correct? Joost 99 (talk) 08:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good question, but remember that not only were the fasces on the reverse of the Mercury Dime but are still on the walls of (among other places) the legislatures of the French Republic and of the United States. Some standard postage stamps of the French Third Republic (1870-1940) and her empire showed fasces with "RF" [République Française]. See a discussion earlier this year on Wikipedia:Reference desk, although I can't recall offhand if it was on the Humanities or Miscellaneous desk. —— Shakescene (talk) 08:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Very interesting (and very quick reaction :-). Reading the discussion, the article on the National Emblem of France states it was chosen as a symbol of justice and also on the Seal of the United States Senate it states it is used as a symbol of authority. The Dime (United States coin) also doesn't mention republicanism. The reference in the article (the link just started working miraculously...) is wrongly cited, it only states “ a traditional Roman and Classical Republican symbol of Unity”. So I can only find indirect references to the Roman Republic (also see bottom of http://www.livius.org/fa-fn/fasces/fasces.html). It would be interesting though to know when the logo was created.

I would suggest for now changing it to : “a traditional symbol of authority and unity” or "a symbol of authority and unity, traditionally used by republican states." Joost 99 (talk) 10:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to get even more confused, see Lictor, the traditional bearer of fasces. I'm sure you've seen Talk:Fasces and especially Talk:Fasces#A contentious alternative interpretation. —— Shakescene (talk) 21:02, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't the 'young robed woman' a rendered display of the Netherlands Maiden? She was the symbol of the United Republic, which founded the New Netherlands colony. Qense (talk) 10:02, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What has happened to the image of the Brooklyn seal and flag? Also, would it be appropriate in an encyclopedia article to display Brooklyn's logo? Vereverde (talk) 15:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Missing geography[edit]

There should be a section on Brooklyn geography. Jd2718 (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Een Draght vs Eendraght[edit]

The opening section of the article states that Brooklyn's official motto is "Een Draght Maeckt Maght". I'd like to point out that in Dutch, "Een Draght" is in fact one single word, i.e. "Eendraght", as can also be seen in the picture of the seal of Brooklyn.94.208.67.245 (talk) 11:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC) I 's like to inform you that "Eendracht maakt macht" (in modern Dutch and in French L'Union fait la force)is the official motto of Belgium. Hugo Peeters — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.82.126.164 (talk) 14:53, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Area units[edit]

The land/water area of Brooklyn is displayed with km^2 in front and sq mi in parentheses. The other boroughs (and other American cities) have sq mi as the leading unit, making it hard to compare Brooklyn to other American cities. I can't understand why it's displaying this way -- perhaps someone more experienced in wikicode can fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.87.107.67 (talk) 17:03, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

industry[edit]

i was just at slashdot http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/05/10/0320219/makerbot-industries-brings-manufacturing-back-to-brooklyn, with a typical factless thread, and it became clear that no one had an idea of how much industry (manufacturing) there is today in brooklyn. PS: I no longer contribute, as wiki allows *for profit* people to resell my work. I don't mind if somoen who is not selling it copies stuff that i worked hard on, but the idea of someone else doing it for money, much less a profit, seems wierd. I won't contribute again ( have a phd in molecular biology, do mostly science tech stuff) untill this chagnes cinnamon colbert — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.236.121.54 (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Motto[edit]

Is Brooklyn's official motto ‘Eendraght maeckt maght’ or ‘Een draght mackt maght’? The first one is used on the seal, and the second one is used on the flag. Esszet (talk) 01:36, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for images of flags and seals you come across various different spellings (Eendraght/Een Draght/EenDraght, Maeckt/Mackt). All I can say is that 'Eendraght Maeckt Maght' is closest to modern Dutch (Eendracht Maakt Macht). In fact, adding the space (Een Dracht, rather than Eendracht) completely changes the meaning from (literally) 'Unity (Eendracht) makes Power' (or the more poetic 'In Unity there is strength') to the illogical 'a (een) way of dressing (dracht) makes power', or 'a (een) pregnancy (dracht) makes power'.

However, it seems that this may have gotten lost in translation, as in fact the variation with space appears to be more common. So the official motto may well be the illogical, misspelled variation. Perhaps not very helpful, but at least quite interesting. (source: I'm a native Dutch speaker) 94.208.67.245 (talk) 23:14, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

According to this 2009 article[1], ‘Een draght mackt maght’ is an antiquated phraseology, the borough changed its motto to ‘Eendraght maeckt maght’ in 2005. SixFourThree (talk) 16:22, 28 March 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

Photo[edit]

I thought that the picture of the Brooklyn Bridge that previously adorned the article (see link) was preferable to the recently substituted aerial view of the borough, shown here. In my opinion the photo of the bridge was nicely composed, colorful, and was a good photo of an iconic feature of the borough. By contrast the aerial view is poorly scaled, skewed and lacks color. I restored the bridge photo but have been reverted, and throw the question open here. Comments welcome! JohnInDC (talk) 01:58, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer this image too, compared to WPPilot's new image, for the same reasons that JohnInDC does. Epicgenius (talk) 15:38, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider this cropped version. Perhaps in the body on a pano setting?--talk→ WPPilot 21:18, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cropped, straightened and punched up, that's a much nicer photo. In the info box, it scales down too small to be helpful, but in the body would be nice; not sure about the pano setting, which I (personally) find a bit distracting. But I would defer to others' opinions on that. JohnInDC (talk) 21:43, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you John. I have to agree on the Panos too, but its scale would allow it to display well, in the body of the story. talk→ WPPilot 22:01, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a better image, though {{wide image}} should be used. This is a picture of Brooklyn Bridge Park, and I have noted it as such. Epicgenius (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I was in Brooklyn for a few days at the beginning of June 2015. I was amazed specially by the beauty of all those large brown stone houses. Something very special to see. Also, populous and very cosmopolitan. Any deceptions? Yes. In front of almost all these beautiful brown stone mansions, people massively decorate their front yards with garbage cans and garbage. This is very surprising to me. Where I come from, houses are not so majestic, but front lawns are decorated with flours, trees, and green in general. Bizarre way of thinking in Brooklyn. Very bizarre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacques Yes Overtime (talk • contribs) 16:05, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology?[edit]

When and how did "Brooklyn" derive from Brookland Parish? ♆ CUSH ♆ 11:21, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't that be chronologically odd? Jim.henderson (talk) 19:02, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How so? The area is labeled Brookland on older maps, so at some point it must have become Brooklyn. When did that happen and was there any particular group that used it first? ♆ CUSH ♆ 20:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! I didn't think enough. Yes, under the new English regime the Dutch parish became an English township, and its name was Anglicized to "Brookland". Thomas Jones (historian) used the new term exclusively. When Federalized New York granted a charter in 1816, it was to the "Village of Brooklyn" and one can speculate that the name was a partisan issue, with Loyalists loyal to the English version, and the victorious Rebels preferring the semi-re-Dutched version. This all suggests to me, but does not prove, that the second change was around the turn of the century. Jim.henderson (talk) 18:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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New York City articles missing geocoordinate data[edit]

Category:New York City articles missing geocoordinate data is now down to 83 articles with missing geocoordinate data. While a few more may be done by hard work on the Internet, others could be done by editors on the ground. Public art can be done with GPS cameras. (i.e. Alexander Lyman Holley (sculpture)) Historic buildings can be done with old paper maps. (i.e. African Free School) Help is needed from New Yorkers.--DThomsen8 (talk) 15:44, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Brooklyn[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Brooklyn's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "NOAA":

From Glens Falls, New York: "NowData - NOAA Online Weather Data". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved 2013-03-04.
From Long Island: "NowData – NOAA Online Weather Data". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved February 28, 2014.
From Elmira, New York: "NowData - NOAA Online Weather Data". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved 2012-03-27.
From Plainfield, New Jersey: NowData - NOAA Online Weather Data, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Accessed March 2, 2012.
From New Brunswick, New Jersey: "NowData - NOAA Online Weather Data". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved December 20, 2011.
From Newark, New Jersey: "NowData - NOAA Online Weather Data". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved December 28, 2011.
From Odessa: "Odessa Climate Normals 1961–1990". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved September 10, 2015.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:51, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Clinton Campaign Headquarters[edit]

I have noticed that "Brooklyn" is being used as a metonym for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, given that her campaign headquarters are located in the borough. I was thinking about adding a reference to that headquarters, possibly in the "Government and politics" section. The choice of location certainly does reflect Brooklyn's cultural importance of the moment. SixFourThree (talk) 17:44, 22 July 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

Dempgraphics: Brooklyn#2012_estimates[edit]

Either I'm not reading the table right or the numbers are just wrong. The racial composition is expressed through percentage but years 1990, 2010 and 2014 add up to way more than 100%. Is this overlapping data or is it just wrong? ~ Zirguezi 14:05, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 September 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:05, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Brooklyn → Brooklyn, New York – WP:USPLACE applies to any locality under US sovereignty. Brooklyn is not listed in the AP Stylebook so it is not exempt from this. Prisencolin (talk) 21:40, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question @Prisencolin: does WP:USPLACE cover Category:Boroughs in Pennsylvania? Then why not Category:Boroughs of New York City? In ictu oculi (talk) 21:57, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

NY boroughs and PA boroughs are not the same thing. Nohomersryan (talk) 14:05, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The uniqueness of New York's political situation doesn't mean that conventions should be ignored. The parishes in Louisiana follow the normal county title format, although they aren't quite the same as counties in other states.--Prisencolin (talk) 15:28, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Brooklyn is not a city in New York, so the proposed title is no good. Not that I would support Brooklyn, New York City anyway. Brooklyn isn't a city, so of course it's not going to be on the WP:USPLACE AP city exemption list. Since the NYC boroughs are the only five of their kind, it makes sense to title them like this, as USPLACE is clearly mainly meant for cities and towns. Nohomersryan (talk) 22:48, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Municipal subdivisions and neighborhoods are often just referred to as "neighborhood, state" by the press, for example Studio City, California ([2]), rather than Studio City, Los Angeles.--Prisencolin (talk) 15:28, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, Ignore All Rules. This is clearly the primary topic for Brooklyn and there's no need to disambiguate unnecessarily or over fetishise WP:USPLACE. Timrollpickering (talk) 09:13, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Well-known worldwide and clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:45, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per wp:TITLE If an article title has been stable for a long time, and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 15:46, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per all dese guys. An' common handle. And besides, a tree grows dere. Randy Kryn 21:08, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – the political division named Brooklyn of the City of New York is the primary topic of the term Brooklyn, and is known internationally. Since Brooklyn is not a city (instead a political division of New York) it does not fall under AP Stylebook. CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 00:51, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Brooklyn renovation, “The Cinderella Project”[edit]

Brooklyn’s renovation did not start in the 21st century. That is an incorrect statement. It started back in the late mid-1970s with something called “The Cinderella Project,” in Brooklyn Heights, Park Slope, Downtown Brooklyn, and surrounding areas. This was when reasonably priced brownstones increased in value 10-fold. Park Slope completely changed within a few years with newly renovated brownstones and businesses in order to accommodate those who needed someplace to live but could no longer afford the massive rent increases in Manhattan. It has been branching out to other areas like Williamsburg ever since. While it has picked up speed over the last 10-15 years, this renovation has been steadily going on since the mid-70s. Please correct this error. Pookerella (talk) 05:52, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

dead/spam citation link: Six Dutch towns[edit]

The URL for the citation (18) under the "Six Dutch Towns" subheading redirects to spammy advertising. Even were that not the case, it's indicated as a map, which would not be much of a citation for the detailed information provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.222.215.216 (talk) 02:10, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

slavery: cited article doesn't support article info[edit]

The last paragraph under the subheading "Six townships in an English province" links to a Brooklyn Daily Eagle article. While that Eagle article is fascinating, it does not in any way make reference to "percentages of slavery" or anything of the sort. The paragraph in its entirety is awkward and seems not really to say much about Brooklyn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.222.215.216 (talk) 02:16, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reversion of the removal of country and state flags from the infobox[edit]

Many years ago I was informed, by editors and administrators alike, that the consensus on the use on flags in infoboxes was that "settlements" are not an exception, and, after a random glance at towns of all sizes across the world, it appears most editors are compliant. However, their removal to this article has been reverted by Alansohn with the following edit summary: "rv chg per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG re use for populated places)", and although MOS:INFOBOXFLAG does say Where one article covers both human and physical geographic subjects (e.g., Manhattan, which covers both the borough of New York City and the island of the same name), or where the status of the territory is subject to a political dispute, the consensus of editors at that article will determine whether flag use in the infobox is preferred or not., there appears to have been no debate on this or consensus reached. My Favourite Account ^😊 16:31, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]