Talk:Chaim Kanievsky

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Question for the sake of asking a question[edit]

Why should anyone who bans the internet be allowed an entry on an internet resource such as Wikipedia? 216.195.89.59 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:28, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

There's nothing in WP:BIO about the subject's opinions. A person's opinions have no effect on his notability. -- -- -- 10:39, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Kosher cannabis ruling[edit]

In 2016, Kanievsky declared that medicinal cannabis was kosher for Passover.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]

Another editor objected to this cited inclusion. I ask them to justify that deletion, since though the subject has made thousands of rulings, this particular one received significant international media attention. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 21:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Based on this argument I could agree with the mention of this ruling alongside the other two rulings in the Statements and rulings section. I however want to see a third opinion, because notable as it may be, the halakhic and practical significance of this ruling is minor. Debresser (talk) 16:17, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Rabbi's make tons of rulings everyday that dont get any publicity. If a particular ruling gets a large amount of coverage, and you have an RS to support it, there is no reason to exclude it. - GalatzTalk 16:23, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Why is there even a "statements and ruling" section at all? It's not needed, and if we are going to have it, why are there only two items listed? Get rid of the whole section, and perhaps you can have a sentence like "he has ruled on a variety of issues, from sexual abuse, marijuana to what color shirts to wear, to how many times to blink per minute, etc." Sir Joseph (talk) 16:26, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Such a sentence would need its own source, which isn't available. Debresser (talk) 16:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

The section is ridiculous and should be removed. It looks like the two things mentioned, one of which is mundane beyond belief for a rabbi of his kind, are the things he's most famous for. As such, this is a breach of UNDUE and the whole section should be deleted. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 17:00, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

It would be absurd to remove the Rulings section; the man is a posek, his *entire* claim to fame is that he makes halakhic rulings. Take that away and all you have is "he's a great guy, he got married in 19XX, he served in the '48 war" and then a likely-NN list of his books (with improper inline ELs). He's a halakhic authority, and of his thousands of rulings several have gotten serious international media coverage, so we should include those since expert outside documentation is the whole point of WP:Notability. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 20:00, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
And re "why only two items", my argument is that we should restore the third item, his kosher cannabis ruling, since it's been covered in over a dozen major international media sources (and I've cited three). Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 20:44, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Not that we need more than three cites, but for kicks here on Talk I added a bunch more just to demonstrate the width of coverage. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Further rulings[edit]

I did a general GoogleNews search on "chaim kanievsky rulings" to see which rulings of his have gotten the most press, and thus meet WP:Notability. I suggest adding the following:

In 2012, Kanievsky ruled that is is forbidden to possess or use an iPhone, and that owners are not allowed to sell their phones, but should instead burn them.[13][14][15][16][17] In 2015, he instructed United Hatzalah paramedics that in the event of a terrorist attack, they should not treat the terrorists before the victims, even if the terrorist is more seriously injured, and could even leave the terrorist to die.[18][19]

Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:19, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

No opposition here. As far as I am concerned, that does not change my opinion regarding the cannabis ruling, though. Debresser (talk) 06:46, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Which opinion? Your prior Based on this argument I could agree with the mention of this ruling alongside the other two rulings in the Statements and rulings section. I however want to see a third opinion, because notable as it may be, the halakhic and practical significance of this ruling is minor. ? Regardless of personal takes on "significance", coverage by a dozen+ serious news media sources pretty clearly meets WP:Notability. "Significance" isn't a personal call, it's based on third-party coverage, which I've provided a body of. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 06:56, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that opinion. Which stands. You seem to ignore that I said "halakhic and practical significance". Add to that the opposition of other editors as well. Debresser (talk) 07:04, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
The other editors are all over the board with their opinions, it's not like they're unified opposed, particularly since we now have a larger and better-cited Rulings section. How is your opinion that the cannabis ruling lacks halakhic and practical significance not OR? I can in theory grant that halakhic isn't specifically addressed in that I'm not citing Yeshiva News or anything, but in terms practical are you arguing that these dozen news sources are somehow highlighting an issue for no valid reason? "Significance" isn't policy, WP:Notability is, and I'm not hearing any clear reply from you how those 12 sources don't demonstrate the Notability of the cannabis ruling. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 02:05, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I think it should be included, because (a) it's been widely covered and (b) it's a subject of interest to the general readership.
Having said that, I feel a need to sort out a couple of technical points I'm seeing here:
  • WP:N does not apply to content, strictly speaking; it only applies to whether a subject deserves a page. See WP:NNC.
  • Accordingly, the question is more whether inclusion of this ruling meets content policies. Now, it could be argued that including any single ruling of Rav Kanievsky fails WP:DUEWEIGHT, given that he's made thousands of rulings. But if we limit the issue to rulings he's made that have been covered in RS, this probably passes the test. (That said, I'd prefer someone to add yet a couple of additional rulings to this page. Look at pages of some other poskim, like Rav Ovadia Yosef or Rav Moshe Feinstein and you see lots of rulings. Add a few more here, and then there won't be a problem with DUEWEIGHT.)
  • I'm not impressed with the 12 sources on this one ruling, per se. Taken in strict isolation, that one ruling would never have been enough to make Rav Kanievsky notable. (See WP:BLP1E.) But they do constitute sufficient coverage that I think a page on Rav Kanievsky excluding this ruling would be considered deficient.
That's my two cents, for what they're worth. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:34, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Include. Interesting. Relevant. Notable. What else does it need to be? Ravpapa (talk) 05:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Elsa Vulliamy (2016-04-22). "Marijuana is kosher for Passover, leading rabbi rules". The Independent. Retrieved 2017-02-13. 
  2. ^ 5:25 PM ET (2016-04-24). "Medical Marijuana: It's Kosher". NPR. Retrieved 2017-02-13. 
  3. ^ "A higher authority: The rabbinical answer to medical marijuana". Jerusalem Post. Retrieved 2017-02-13. 
  4. ^ "Watch: Rabbi approves medical marijuana for Passover". UPI.com. 2016-04-22. Retrieved 2017-02-15. 
  5. ^ Feldman, Kate (2016-04-20). "Leading Orthodox rabbi rules marijuana kosher for Passover". NY Daily News. Retrieved 2017-02-15. 
  6. ^ Magid, Jacob (2016-04-19). "WATCH: Getting baked on Passover not just for matzah, rabbi rules". The Times of Israel. Retrieved 2017-02-15. 
  7. ^ "Haredi rabbi blesses marijuana as kosher for Passover | Jewish Telegraphic Agency". Jta.org. 2016-04-20. Retrieved 2017-02-15. 
  8. ^ "Weed IS kosher for Passover says Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky | Metro News". Metro.co.uk. 2016-04-23. Retrieved 2017-02-15. 
  9. ^ "Marijuana Is Kosher for Passover, Says 88-Year-Old Rabbi". VICE. 2016-04-22. Retrieved 2017-02-15. 
  10. ^ "Rabbi Kanievsky declares pot kosher - even for Passover". Israel National News. Retrieved 2017-02-15. 
  11. ^ Julia Glum (2016-03-09). "Pot For Passover? Top Rabbi Declares Marijuana Kosher Ahead Of Jewish Festival". Ibtimes.com. Retrieved 2017-02-15. 
  12. ^ 04-21-2016 (2016-04-21). "Haredi Rabbi Blesses Marijuana As Kosher For Passover | The Jewish Week | Food & Wine". Jwfoodandwine.com. Retrieved 2017-02-15. 
  13. ^ Ari, Judah (2012-09-23). "Burn your iPhones, top rabbi orders". The Times of Israel. Retrieved 2017-02-19. 
  14. ^ "Apple's Jerusalem Problem". The Huffington Post. 2012-12-03. Retrieved 2017-02-19. 
  15. ^ Nathan JeffaySeptember 18, 2013 (2013-09-18). "Kosher Smart Phone Arrives as Ultra-Orthodox Tech Taboo Shifts - News –". Forward.com. Retrieved 2017-02-19. 
  16. ^ Ravidyesterday, Barak (2014-04-07). "Haredi users of 'non-kosher' phones revealed through security loophole - News - Haaretz - Israel News". Haaretz.com. Retrieved 2017-02-19. 
  17. ^ "Rabbi: Never Marry a Man With an iPhone - Israel Today | Israel News". Israel Today. Retrieved 2017-02-19. 
  18. ^ Contact Editor Hezki Baruch, 31/12/15 15:54. "Rabbi Kanievsky instructs paramedics: Don't save terrorists". Israel National News. Retrieved 2017-02-19. 
  19. ^ "Israeli medics are leaving wounded Palestinians to bleed to death – Mondoweiss". Mondoweiss.net. 2016-03-23. Retrieved 2017-02-19. 

Should Chaim Kanievsky be included in Template:Cannabis in Israel and Category:Cannabis and Judaism?[edit]

Please see discussion here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cannabis#Should_Chaim_Kanievsky_be_included_in_Template:Cannabis_in_Israel.3F. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 14:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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