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Initial comments

This page needs work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.113.14.146 (talk) 15:39, 10 January 2005 (UTC)

It's not that bad... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.96.88 (talk) 02:54, 23 January 2005 (UTC)

Article name

There are now two separate articles, one at fireworks and one at firework. Clearly people are getting confused. Is it possible (sorry, I'm new to this) to merge the two and to have the one of the name aliased/redirected to the other? JennyRad 21:17, 4th November 2004 (GMT)

The article was at fireworks, then firework. I've undone the move back to fireworks because it is the usual Wikipedia naming convention to use the singular. violet/riga (t) 15:09, 2 May 2005 (UTC)YESSS great

Controversial Fireworks Pollution External Link Voting

Months ago I had posted a link that seemed like a good resource regarding fireworks pollution and it didn't seem to bother anyone but I guess recently it has annoyed people enough to have it deleted multiple times but by anonymous users. I put it back up a few times and also expanded the pollution info in the wiki article. The actual link in question is Fireworks - Cheap Thrills with Toxic Consequences

I'm thinking I probably won't put it back up if it is deleted again unless some actual existing Wikipedia contributers show support here for it. I would appreciate any input from some contributing editors.

  • Support Since I posted it Trailbum 00:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose The information in the link isn't a problem, I think the article's Pollution section could be expanded with some of the information, if there are reputable sources to cite. But I think the link is too POV and it could be presented in a more professional way. --Interiot 01:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose The link is IMHO thoroughly POV and advocates a political/environmentalist agenda very strongly. Information from the site could (and should) be rewritten, referenced and included in the article. I do not believe any links “as is” to this specific site is in the interest of Wikipedia as an NPOV encyclopaedia although inclusion might be considered insofar as sufficient information regarding the political view of the site is clearly and properly displayed. Regards,Celcius 06:17, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose I'm afraid... were that link a wikipedia article, I'd ask it to cite some sources. I'd go for things like these: [1] [2] -- Mike1024 (t/c) 00:34, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose The assertions of the linked site are interesting, and worthy of proper research and reference. However, I agree that the linked site is not up to the standards of a reputable source. TimothyMcK 21:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose As per Mike1024's suggestion. --Drdan 16:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose The article is definitely POV and with political motivation. Some of the content should be included in the article but it really isn't suitable as a related link --Tmorton166 20:50, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Non-reputable source, lacking sources of its own. It also does not speak of the concentrations of the materials used, and so seems to be heavily biased. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 18:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

  • This article is about the subject of fireworks (analogous to the article about artillery, also a plural noun). Fireworks is almost always used in the plural, as either a noun or adjective. The singular is so unusual that it's confusing in most contexts; it looks like it might be referring to something else, and it only makes sense if referring to a single firework. In this article, I count 40-plus occurrences of fireworks and only three of firework.
  • Support This is my request. —Michael Z. 2005-05-2 16:07 Z
  • Support. (I think you're not suppose to vote for something you put up first) KTC 16:27, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. violet/riga (t) 16:49, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. It make too much sense in the singular. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 12:33, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. One firework, two fireworks. Seems fine to me. Gdr 20:43, 2005 May 6 (UTC)
  • Support. Mikkalai 17:08, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

This is now closed and there are two separate articles.

  • Support I don't think I've ever said "firework" in my life.Robludwig 5 July 2005 04:43 (UTC)

Support I agree Ive never said 'Firework'--Eddy Dude 03:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


Discussion

  • I see no reason that this should be different to all other implementations of the singular/plural naming convention. If we wish to say that somebody was injured by an accident with these things we'd refer to it as "he was hit by a firework" or "a firework exploded in her hand", or you may wish to go for "never return to a lit firework". Even for ease of linking we should retain the non-plural name. violet/riga (t) 16:49, 2 May 2005 (UTC)*You seem to be confusing the terms: "firework" is a device, "fireworks" is a show, both words being singular. (As a lesson of English from a non-englishman): there is even a singular word "works" than means "factory" or "internal mechanism". There should be two separate articles. My initial impression was that the article is mostly about "fireworks", "firework" part being small. Mikkalai 17:08, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

The article is easily splittable, and I am doing it right now. Mikkalai

Cleanup tag for section regarding safety of consumer fireworks

I have added a cleanup tag to the section regarding safety of consumer fireworks. I think the section would benefit from some references, particularly in the locations where I added a citation-needed tag. Also, it seems that some sections might be construed as POV. I identified a sentence (indicated with a comment) that seemed confusing and possibly POV. I could not decide how to handle this by editing the section myself, but hopefully the regular editors of this article will be able to improve the section.--GregRM 16:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

firesrosk

google. Added an 'also' in the second para of 'History'. JamRoc 15:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC) Jamil

Bonfire night in Britain (section 5.1)

This section contains misplaced material that is irrelevant to the subsection's heading. Also, although there is some information about Britain, it is also largely irrelevant to the sub-section (i.e., it is not about Bonfire Night.) In fact, there is no longer any information about Bonfire Night in this section, though there used to be in old versions. I propose to revert and tidy up this sub-section, but given the discussions that have happened before about changes to this entire entry, I would like to check that I am not likely to open up any "cans of worms" first. Many thanks.  DDS  talk 16:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to remove all non-British bits under that heading regardless - it doesn't belong there at all. -- the GREAT Gavini 19:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah, but the British stuff you didn't delete also had nothing to do with Bonfire Night. It seemed to be about the Edinburgh Festival, and had been there in some form since 12th Sept, when 67.180.11.140 deleted everything about Bonfire Night and tried to claim that the Washington Monument was in Edinburgh. I've reverted to the way things were before he got his hands on it. Edbrims 10:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
You beat me to it - I was busy doing other things that prevented me from following up on my previous message more quickly. Now, why does this topic seem to attract vandals?  DDS  talk 15:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


Someone recently launched firework from their rear end

This fireworks stunt officially backfired. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/6132140.stm 86.140.139.252 01:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)

The article, like so many others, continues to mangle this and other federal agencies name and abbreviation, as well as their scopes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.179.254.199 (talk) 20:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Madeira

I think the Madeira fireworks at the New year festivities need to be mentioned. This year was considered by the Guiness Book the biggest firework in the world. When i have some time i will try to write something.--viriatus 22:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Grammar

I'm not too sure about this edit. Is that right? "Brought of their enthusiasm"? --WikiSlasher 12:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I've changed it back. --WikiSlasher 00:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Coloured fireworks?

Just watching a documentary which briefly touched on the job of a Firework creator. It was mentioned that back in the 16th-17th century fireworks were not coloured. I was interested to learn more about when and how fireworks gained their characteristic multi-coloured appearance we are used to today. Does anyone have any furhter information on what seems to me to be one of the most important advances in firework creation? Mmm commentaries 04:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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Reversion of Moerou toukon and IP range 59.94.96.0–59.94.106.0

Moerou toukon (block log) and IP range 59.94.96.0–59.94.106.0 are socks of an Indian nationalist editor with a history of POV-pushing,[3][4][5] citing unreliable sources,[6] and misrepresenting his sources.[7][8]
Moerou toukon has since been permanently blocked and that editor placed on revert parole by the Arbitration Committee for edit-warring and abuse of sockpuppets.

His attribution to ancient India relies heavily on a single chapter of Buchanan (2006) by Asitesh Bhattacharya and his sock edits give Bhattacharya undue weight.
Bhattacharya himself acknowledges "the prevailing view in the relevant academic community": "The respected work of scholars like Joseph Needham and general surveys such as that in the Encyclopaedia Britannica, credit Chinese alchemists with discovering in the ninth century..." (Buchanan 2006:42). JFD 20:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

FYI

http://japan-fireworks.com/eindex.html I hope this helps for expansion.Oda Mari 05:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

considerations

It is interesting to notice that fireworks aesthetical considerations are viewed by most people as rewarding enough to forget about the negative effects of CO2 emission and the resulting increase in Greenhouse gas.

I think it's quite an objective constatation true for most people, how many peole do you think think about greehouse effect when they watch it? Not many! Considering the importance of global warming and the importance of thinking about it for some eventual actions, I think the above comment should appear on the main page! Ok firework have probably a negligeable effect on global warming, but they send a disturbing message, linking fun and burning things, even exploding things! Isn't it paradoxal ? Why do we need to burn things to have fun ? How come fire works seem to be so atractive ?? For me, to see on was enough, and if I am looking after beautiful colors and shape, they are many more interesting possibilities!

I believe this is politically incorrect to criticise a topic, but it's reallity, let's face it : it spread CO2 and it sends the message that it's ok and fun to do it !! That's quite dangerous, because many believe it! And it's getting quite hot here!

My friend, you spread CO2 yerself. And a large number of other things as well. We are not going to addthis trivia into each and every article. And eating pigs is bad, too. And internet is killing rainforests. mikka (t) 02:34, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
The carbon that is used in fireworks is coming from wood. So fireworks is not adding CO2 to the atmosphere, only recycling the carbon. Fyrverkarn 15:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Montreal's competition

Montreal's competition is touted to be the premier firework competition. But this page does not have it listed in the competitions section.

Indeed. I did some reasearch, and although i couldn't verify factually that Montreal's festival is the largest and most important (there are similar claims made by other events), it is undoubtably one of the world's most important. I can't understand why there isn't even a mention in the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'International_des_Feux_Loto-Qu%C3%A9bec
I just edited the article and included the Montreal festival. Although my knowledge of the event is minimal and my research was done rather hastily, i felt it was absurd that Montreal's competition not be included. Feel free to improve the short mention I included.
Someone seems intent on indicating that the Montreal festival is indisputably the world's best. I am from Montreal myself, but from a neutral point of view, i have to say that although there is considerable reason to believe this is so, it's not universally accepted. For this reason i'm keeping the prestige mention along the lines of "regarded by some as". Cataclaw 16:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Order?

It is not understood what order the subcategories in 4 (Major events) are in. It would be better to not have it ordered arbitrarily. I recommend that it be ordered by importance or alphabetically by country. But of course importance would be controversial... What would be the order and which would be first? New Years Eve? Independence Day? Guy Fawkes Day? Diwali? What are your thoughts? Omjeremy 22:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Fireworks in America

This paragraph implies some ownership of fireworks by America. Fireworks are part of many other cultures, and I didn't think wikipedia had a nationality. So what's the deal? 212.2.182.207 15:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The article needs to be globalized in a few places. I think that section is one of them. I've tagged it with a {{globalize/USA}} tag. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 18:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Globalize Fireworks in America section

I have placed a globalization tag on the Fireworks in America section because concern has been raised that it implies ownership of fireworks by the United States. Perhaps the best way to go about this would be to get more information on fireworks in other countries and make it a hierarchical thing like the Laws and politics section, with subsections for each known country. Responses? Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 18:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it could all be done in the History section in chronological order, for example starting with China and following the spread around the world? 78.16.99.207 12:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
You know, that's not a bad idea. I don't have much knowledge of the history of fireworks (other than the fact that they originated in China), but perhaps another editor with expertise in the field will take up the project. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Competitions section

I noticed that the Competitions section has a tag suggesting that it be split into a new article. Personally, I don't think a separate "Fireworks competitions" article is warranted. Anyone agree/disagree with the proposed split? Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 21:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Honestly I think it's just a waste of space (also it's poorly formatted), so I've split it into a new article, Fireworks competitions. Any input/expansion on that page is welcome. Perhaps a single example in this article would be appropriate? I'll leave it up to others as I'm not very familiar with the subject matter. --Pumpmeup 04:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Toronto, Ontario Place Fireworks

Also, what about the Benson and Hedges Symphony of Fire that takes place in Toronto at Ontario Place. That should have a mention in the competitions as well. This section needs some updating.

"Competition" is a relative term. While it's true that there are typically 3 countries listed as competing (along with the finale night), and there are indeed often products from those specific countries used in the shows, now that it is the "Festival of Fire" all the "teams" are the same fireworks company (Fiat Lux) doing the shows. Symphony of Fire WAS a competition, but ever since B&H pulled out, it's just a 4 day show... DJSparky (talk) 05:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Move to Fireworks display

At first glance it looks like this article and Firework are about the same thing. I realize now that they aren't but I think the naming is confusing. I propose this article be renamed Fireworks display (or something similar). (Also I am going to propose that Firework be renamed either Firework devices or Firework (device).) Thoughts? Nanobri (talk) 15:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I would say that Firework should stay as it is and Fireworks should change to Firework display. JMiall₰ 11:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Firework(s)

There are now two separate articles about fireworks, one about firework devics and firework displays by the name of "Firework", and one about firework displays and firework devices by the name of "Fireworks". It appears as though they're not only overlapping, but are actually about the same thing. Both articles cover firework displays and explosive classes, for instance. I suggest an immediate merge. The current naming situation is very confusing and misleading as well, as those who try to find information on fireworks and assume they'll be redirected to the right place actually won't, they'll just get whichever article they happened to land at based on the spelling. Rōnin 21:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

That you could separate the two into one about devices and displays suggests that they should have two different articles. In fact, I'd argue that they read that way and should remain as such. Renaming the titles would make sense though. Perhaps a fireworks (firework would also redirect here) disambiguation page, and one explictly as fireworks devices and one explictly as fireworks displays? 208.54.14.73 18:43, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I think that firework and fireworks display would be the best names. violet/riga (t) 07:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
A) Yes, merge the articles. B) Come on, this is an encyclopedia. Keep "Fireworks." This is the terminology that most people use. That we have two articles is utterly baseless. It is sheer hairsplitting to justify the two articles. Dogru144 21:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Merging would be good. Common terminology is "fireworks", and people use the term to refer to both the devices and the displays. Perhaps separate articles could be further discussed, but a merge is definitely in order. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 15:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge has been completed--BirgitteSB 15:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Additional Photos

I'm no fireworks expert, so I wouldn't know where to classify these photos, but I wanted to make them available for public use:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:StLouisBalloonGlowFireworks1.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:StLouisBalloonGlowFireworks2.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitz000 (talk • contribs) 07:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

hey there

i am a bit biased but i think we need to add something about australia.211.30.106.244 (talk) 12:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

There's a photo of fireworks over the Sydney Harbour Bridge and Opera House already. --WikiSlasher (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Is it possible to make mention of the Perth Skyshow, the largest yearly fireworks display in the southern hemisphere? Excuse laziness, not a regular here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.12.167 (talk) 06:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Laws governing consumer fireworks section

This entire section lacks even a single citation. I question the validity of most of it and would suggest its removal unless authority can be cited.


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-I would like to note that the article says aerial and exploding fireworks are illegal to purchase in PA, I live in Allentown pa and there are plenty of places that sell these types of fireworks including major grocery stores such as Giant Food Stores, though if I remember it is illegal to use them, just not to buy them. Though if I remember correctly the laws in pa are different from city to city with some allowing the use of aerial ones and some not. (207.172.55.227 (talk) 23:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC))

-- I would like to point out the fact that many fireworks that burst in the air do not detonate, but merely explode due to deflagration. Perhaps the wording " New Mexico in some cases, will not allow fireworks from individual residents if the fireworks are said to detonate over 5 feet (1.5 m) in height." should be changed to reflect this? Thoughts?

Thunder over Louisville

There is absolutely no mention of this and as it is one of the largest firework shows in North America as well as the kick off to the kentucky I feel it should at least be mentioned for its Impressive display that just gets larger every year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.152.157 (talk) 19:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Fireworks in Canada around Halloween?

The article claims that fireworks are used to celebrate All Saints Day (Halloween) in Canada. I'm from Kitchener, Ontario, and I've NEVER heard of this. Perhaps this is regional?

To the best of my recollection, the only days fireworks are commonly used (at least, in this area) are Victoria Day and Canada Day. Winter is just too cold to stand outside and watch things go "bang".

Halloween is celebrated by the practice of "trick-or-treating" - children dress up in costume, and go door-to-door with the greating "trick-or-treat", and are given candy.

- Dave Suffling (e-mail dsufflin < at > uoguelph dot ca.)

I don't see the issue with fireworks at Halloween (Samhain) Celebrations, so long as one ensures that minors are not being permitted access to fireworks. As a person who is a practicing Pagan, we view Halloween as the end of the Celtic Year. Hence, it is quite logical to wish to celebrate with fireworks in a safe and responsible manner. A safely organized backyard fireworks display will also ensure that candy-seeking costume clad kids will definitely have a beacon to point the way, so that you won't have bowls of candy left over at the end of the night.

Sadly, in our city, they only permit fireworks to be set off on Victoria Day and Canada Day, but we intend to petition our local city councillors to modify the existing by-law. I would certainly pay a small permit fee if that enabled residents to set up a small consumer fireworks show at other times of the year (also paying heed to local noise by-laws.. fortunately, sunset comes early during Halloween in our region).

(See Article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samhain) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.66.253 (talk) 05:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

- JM Cuthbertson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.66.253 (talk) 05:14, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

In Québec, the biggest firework nights are for Saint-Jean-Baptiste Day, many villages, including smaller ones, have their own firework shows, as this is one of the biggest events of the year. I think this should be added in the article. I know of an exception to the "no fireworks in winter" : Yellowknife, where summer means light and winter means night, I'll check this with my contact there, and to know when thay have the fireworks. Pro bug catcher 21:58, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Answer: YES, In British Columbia (the lower mainland anyway) fireworks have always been a part of halloween, it's the only time of the year they are legal (shops pop up everywhere) and Halloween night looks like a war zone with fireworks, bottle rockets, and firecrackers (which are illegal) going off all night. The weather is mild so kids are out trick or treating or doing the usual halloween vandalism (including fireworks).

The tradition, I believe, comes from the British/Scottish/Irish roots of BC (which was actually a very British province before World War II and the opening up of immigration) I know in Ireland they set off fireworks around halloween, and there is Guy Fawkes Day in Britain, (close to halloween).

-Steven V. Gibson, svgibson@sfu.ca 142.58.181.84 20:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Fireowks,Pyrotechnics? Two sections in Wikipedia why?

There is a Pyrotechnic article and a Firework article section,in Wikipedia.Why? arent they the same? Thanks! (datedecidedAMJuly4,200921stcent.Dr.Edson Andre' Johnson D.D.ULC)SWORDINHAND (talk) 17:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

  • No, in the context of these articles, they are not the same thing. The Fireworks article deals with outdoor display pyrotechnics (fireworks) and the pyrotechnics article deals with pyrotechnics generally and proximate (indoor) pyrotechnics specifically. DJSparky (talk) 16:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


Diwali

No mention of Diwali in this article?? --Gthorvey (talk) 17:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Safety

"Meanwhile, those who support more liberal firework laws look at the same statistics as the critics and conclude that, when used properly, consumer fireworks are a safer form of recreation than riding bicycles or playing soccer.[7]"

Never heard of a soccer player, who lost one or both hands or one or both eyes. Relatively many of them get hurt, that yes, but hardly any stay mutilated. So statistically the percentage of wounded may indeed be higher in riding cycles and in soccer, but do these statistics also look at the graveness of the wounds? The relative reference doesn't give a link to the source. --VKing (talk) 02:28, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Fireworks frighten animals

Maybe others at the moment have more time available, to before mentioning this matter in the article, find a reference of the fact, that (for instance new years eve) fireworks frighten animals and especcially pets, that in some cases fly or run themself to death against the bars of their cage, as a result. Here's a link: [9]. --VKing (talk) 04:05, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Done HiLo48 (talk) 06:38, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Statement that might need expanding

I see that User:HiLo48 has added content with a reference here which I'm not sure about. I reviewed the addition, and I'm wondering, why are the animals scared? Is it because of the loud noise? Is it because of the bright colours? Is it because of the flash which sets off the firework? I haven't removed it yet, but I would like a reason from anyone who can explain it. Minimac94 (talk) 16:47, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the alert. I have modified that content to clarify that it's the noise of fireworks that can frighten animals. HiLo48 (talk) 18:17, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
So it's the noise. Thanks for the reason. Minimac94 (talk) 19:32, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Misleading Statement Toward Year-Round Use in South Dakota

As the article currently stands there appears to be a misleading statement: "On the other hand, states such as South Dakota, South Carolina and Tennessee allow most or all legal consumer fireworks to be sold and used throughout the year."

This makes it appear as if fireworks can be used throughout the entire year in these states, I know nothing of South Carolina or Tennessee, but i do know that according to SD codified laws 34-37-16.1 fireworks can only be discharged between June 27 and July 5. This, unfortunately for me, would mean that one cannot discharge fireworks year round in South Dakota...

I would suggest a change to the wording there. I have little wiki editing experience and i know its best to put an idea out before making a change, so I ask if there are any objections to this idea, and if anyone would just go ahead and do it if they feel that i might blow up Wikipedia's servers by making some noob mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.107.129.65 (talk) 06:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Indoor fireworks

Perhaps there should be a specialized entry on indoor fireworks, since these have often proven to be more controversial and more dangerous, having been cited in several recent nighclub fires in Russia, China, Thailand and the United States. ADM (talk) 09:05, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, there already is an article on "indoor fireworks" - Pyrotechnics DJSparky huh? 18:07, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


Isn't best to not and allow stupid people who cram themselves into a small building with no viable means of quick escape to perish? Honestly, people, wake the F up. Take account for your own self and your families safety. Just because it seems safe, doesn't mean you shouldn't find out if it is safe or not. Go to a state park in the middle of no where, do you assume it's safe and that you won't get axed? If so, you are STUPID. Not taking a gun and a means of communication is your fault. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.71.128 (talk) 16:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

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fireworks

The section on firework pollution is definitely biased; unfortunately, this holds for many of the sources available to the public as well. The following documents should be cited:

- the wikipedia article on black powder that clearly states that the solid products of black powder combustion consist mainly of potassium carbonate and potassium sulfate. In fact, the products are basic and not acidic! At least the claim that fireworks contribute to acid rain should be backed up by references.

- the claim that barium is a highly obnoxious heavy metal is an example of another bias. Barium does not accumulate in the body to the extent that the truly obnoxious heavy metals do (e.g. lead, cadmium, thallium, mercury). Although it is definitely toxic, long-term effects are very minor or not observed, please see this:

http://www.rense.com/general21/tox.htm

I have now edited this section, however, could someone help with by adding the references above??? I do not at present know how to include them.

Check Heavy metals (see Heavy Metals in Wikipedia). What are the problems? Anyone suspecting Fireworkers all over the world to use toxic or radioactive material in their fireworks? The truth is that all industry chemicals sometimes include traces of Cadmium, Quicksilver and so on. This has the effect that there always is some pollution, just as use of chemicals in farming will add cadmium to the food chain. Fyrverkarn 20:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The entire Acid Rain debate was a giant farce of the 70's. This entire page appears to be written by a liberal who wish for us all to live in a bubble protected by our loving big brother. Given enough time, we will eventually end up like England and worse in many regards. Rights taken away because of a few stupid few. Sorry to say, the few stupid few will always...ALWAYS be with us. They will always muck things up for the masses. Look at tax spending. Very few benefit from the backs of many. But, I digress. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.71.128 (talk) 16:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Greetings, 71.60.71.12 (talk · contribs), and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions and I hope you decide to stay. Please note that this is the talk page for the Fireworks article where we discuss ways to improve the article and, as such, I'm having trouble understanding how your comments regarding acid rain and tax spending relate to that article. Perhaps you could elaborate? Cheers! -- Bgpaulus (talk) 18:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I echo those suggestions. I would also point out to our newcomer that Wikipedia is a global encyclopaedia. Some readers live in places where being liberal is regarded as a good thing (the word has many meanings around the world), and some even live happily in England, where Guy Fawkes gave us a wonderful excuse for using fireworks. HiLo48 (talk) 23:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Lack of info

I think this page needs some pictures and a section of what fireworks look like when they're not launched. Like pictures of the shells, what size shells there are, and stuff like that. 70.44.153.248 (talk) 21:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)Ethan

Which countries make firework products?

This article could use some research about where most fireworks products are built, its industry, the factory-time regulations etc. If anyone has time to do some research that would be great. Thanks! Nicolas1981 (talk) 06:17, 8 July 2010 (UTC) I agree. 70.44.153.248 (talk) 21:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)Ethan

Prohibitted in Omaha?

I was wondering if there was any reference for the sentence: "In Nebraska the sale and use of all consumer fireworks are prohibited in Omaha, while in Lincoln there is a two day selling period and in other parts of the state all of the permitted types can be sold and used by residents." When I was in the Air Force, I was stationed in Omaha. While they had restrictions on bottle rockets, most all other fire works were permitted. In fact, every year around Independence Day, my squadron had a firework sale in Omaha to raise money. Since I participated in selling fireworks at a stand in Omaha, I would assume that this sentence is not true, unless it has changed in the past 2 years since I left. -205.223.124.100 13:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Fireworks are prohibited in Omaha, Offutt AFB is actually in the suburb of Bellevue, NE where fireworks are fine. 131.7.251.200 20:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Wax (talk) 12:00, 2 July 2011 (UTC)This has changed as of 2011. The main Fireworks page needs to be updated as such, especially for Nebraska. The info about an Omaha city ordinance prohibiting the use and sale of fireworks except for June 25 through July 4 is still correct, although a recent bill overturned many of Nebraska's previous restrictions, a few of which include Omaha. Fireworks can actually be sold in Omaha during this time period as well (although limited to 25 non-profit vendors). The most important change is that in this section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireworks#United_States), "Nebraska" needs to be moved down into the group beginning with "Twenty one states—Alabama [...]" The following sentence also needs to be deleted, or changed, at least: "In Nebraska the sale and use of all consumer fireworks are prohibited in Omaha as of 12/31/10, while in Lincoln there is a two-day selling period and in other parts of the state all of the permitted types can be sold and used by residents." While sales are still restricted to specific windows of time around New Years Eve and the 4th of July, the use of fireworks is allowed statewide, year-round (except in Omaha, where use is limited to the above-mentioned time periods). The types of fireworks allowed for sale and use in Nebraska has also changed; they no longer need to be pre-screened by the state fire marshal. Instead, all fireworks cleared at the federal level (with the exception of rockets on a stick [bottle rockets] and, as of 2012 or 2013, sparklers with a metal wire -- they need to be replaced with those by a wooden stick by 2012 or 2013). I'll update the page after the 4th when I get a chance, unless anyone else would like to...
References:
http://nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=28-1241
http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/Metro_Fireworks_Sales_124519934.html

consensus requested: inclusion of links to Fireworksland.com and Pyro Universe

There seems to be some disagreement on whether links to com Fireworksland.com and Pyro Universe should be included in fireworks-related article. These two links were included for some time, but were later removed as "spam." While the sites do sell products, they are not inherently commercial in nature. They do, however, provide large amounts of detailed information on fireworks.

Therefore, I'd like to gain a consensus on whether these links should be included. Thanks.

Personally, I think that they should be included, but that's just me. --Ixfd64 22:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Though it's debatable as to whether the sites are "primarily" intended to sell products, both have ads and sell stuff. Wikipedia is not a link directory, and the external links section on Fireworks related articles were getting out of hand. Also refer to this discussion regarding the inclusion of these links. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
It's now a moot point, as the site has been blacklisted; see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Fireworks_links. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
That's too bad, because when it comes to resource attribution, there's a lot of good expert information on PyroUniverse. Within the community of both professional and hobbyist pyrotechnicians, it's considered the most reputable site and forums out there. I'd like to see this site given another shot sometime in the future, to see if the sales spam has calmed down to a manageable level. Wax (talk) 12:05, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Arizona Laws

Arizona completely prohibits all consumer fireworks. Article stated that sparklers were allowed, though they are not. I have edited the article to show Arizona in the not allowed sentence. Diamondback dave (talk) 06:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


AZ allowed most ground-type fireworks, except firecrackers, in Dec. 2010. Also Kansas only allows them to be sold/used the week around July 4. Some counties in Missouri sell firewwporks, but residents cannot possess/use them in the same county. 68.231.184.217 (talk) 19:15, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Beginning to become a gallery...

Images keep getting added (not really that big of a deal in my eyes), but... there's too many "Fireworks in X country", which is hardly that informative and just a showcasing. There is too few "X type of fireworks" or any other informative text with an image. The variable being the location and not the kind of fireworks.
For example, that image with the subtext "A collection of palm-shell fireworks illuminating the beach of Tybee Island, Georgia." is quite well done and clear. Might do it myself, but might not be good as I'm a layprson in recognizing the differences. Maybe a notice at the top between <!-- --> would be in order? Could use some images of the object itself too (e.g. cakes, wheels, tubes). -- Cold Season (talk) 19:41, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Fireworks used for more than just "aesthetic and entertainment purposes" -- article needs more China/Asia

While it acknowledges fireworks were invented in China, the article is almost entirely focused on Western practice of fireworks, even though the majority of the world's fireworks are produced and used in China/Asia.

Also, fireworks in Asia are traditionally used for good luck, to ward off evil spirits, and for the success of businesses. This ritual, celebratory, auspicious purpose is in addition to just "aesthetic and entertainment purposes".

Some references that could be used to support these points:

--Kai Carver (talk) 05:25, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Ruth Solski (2008). Big Book of Canadian Celebrations. S&S Learning Materials. ISBN 9781550358490. Retrieved 26 October 2011. Fireworks and firecrackers are set off to chase away evil spirits, so it is a noisy holiday too.
  2. ^ Valerie Petrillo (2007-05-28). Asian American History. Chicago Review Press. ISBN 9781556526343. Retrieved 26 October 2011. There are firecrackers everywhere to scare off evil spirits and contribute to the festive atmosphere.
  3. ^ David DeRocco, Joan Dundas, Ian Zimmerman (1996). The International Holiday & Festival Primer. Full Blast Productions. ISBN 9781895451245. Retrieved 26 October 2011. But as well as delighting the spectators, the fireworks are believed to chase away evil spirits.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

United States Laws

Under the heading Safety of consumer fireworks in the United States, it states, "States such as New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Delaware ban all consumer fireworks completely." However under the heading Laws governing consumer fireworks then under Unites States there is this statement, "In New York, explosive fireworks and aerial fireworks can be purchased from a licensed dealer with a valid state fireworks license. Non-aerial fireworks and non explosive fireworks such as novelties, fountains, sparklers, etc. may be purchased without a license. New legislation also lifted a ban on firecrackers, making them legal to purchased without a license." So are they banned in New York or are they legal from a licensed dealer? 68.186.165.209 (talk) 06:21, 1 July 2012 (UTC)Mark

images

It's a real shame that there are no FI class images. Have our intrepid photographers got anything handy? :) — riana_dzasta wreak havoc-damage report 04:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

That's what I was wondering too - I came to this article to see if there was any featured pics but there isn't. Fireworks look really cool so we need a FP quality photo. The next person to include a picture of fireworks in the article that becomes a featured pic will get a photography barnstar from yours truly! --WikiSlasher 07:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of which, New Year celebrations are held on New Year's Eve around the world and they often have fireworks displays. So that could be a good time to take a FP-class photo and nominate it to be a featured picture ;) --WikiSlasher 02:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

There are some good photos at commons:Firework. --WikiSlasher 02:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

One of the pictures [10] in this article taken by yours truly is already an FP featured on the Portal:Society page. This picture has been in the article since May 2005. --Kvasir 18:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Looks cool, but I meant as in Wikipedia:Featured pictures, in Category:Wikipedia featured pictures with the little star in the corner and all. --WikiSlasher 12:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I've just included what seems to be a suitable replacement in the lead. The image is of higher quality because it doesn't show the crowd (the article is 'Fireworks' not 'Fireworks displays') and also has more clarity in the image. -- Trevj (talk) 10:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
And I now see there are a couple of Quality Images too - perhaps one of these would seem to be better to some editors (although I personally feel that they could probably do with cropping for inclusion here).
  1. File:Fireworks3 amk.jpg
  2. File:Fireworks5 amk.jpg
-- Trevj (talk) 10:32, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Needs more focus on Guy Fawkes night

I don't know about other countries, but in the U.K. when fireworks are mentioned people automatically think of the 5th of November. Fireworks are an integral part of Guy Fawkes night, and this isn't really covered properly in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.243.163 (talk) 16:52, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

The article is not protected so you can include it. Also, note that "when fireworks are mentioned people automatically think of the 5th of November" is unsourced and if true, just happens in the UK. Also, that would give an WP:UNDUE weight to a local event, that historically relevant, is not that relevant to other countries. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 22:09, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
I lack the local/historical knowledge to write about Guy Fawkes in the UK, but it is celebrated somewhat in Canada; mostly by ex-pats and their descendants. That might abrogate some of the local bias DJSparky huh? 18:02, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
== Accuracy check needed on laws ==

I just removed Vermont from the list of permissive states. I was surprised to see it there, checked the law in the linked reference, and found that as I remembered Vermont does not allow either firecrackers or aerial devices, just things like sparklers. I suggest that the accuracy of other characterizations should be checked.Bill (talk) 02:59, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

History

Could use filling in of history after 1749. How the technology spread and also what innovations happened when would be interesting topics. -- Beland (talk) 03:12, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Article split?

I've watched this article come up several times on the Special:PendingChanges list and I'm wondering if one or several splits might be in order per WP:SPLIT? At 90+K, this article is approaching "morbidly obese" size by Wikipedia norms.

At first glance I can see realistically several things split off. The Legal section could seemingly become its own article, perhaps Fireworks laws and politics, and the Effects could easily be converted into a very nice List article possible with a table format that has a photo of each effect.

In fact, I can envision an Infobox template to list and highlight a Series of articles about Fireworks. Your thoughts? --SCalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 17:02, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Daytime fireworks

Should not this article include something about daytime fireworks? Or is there an article about that somewhere else, I have tried to find one but no success. w.carter-Talk 21:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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this is awesome

i liked the fact that this page is so informative, it is a real help, especially with research projects at school.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.127.234.202 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Casino du Lac-Leamy Sound of Light

Someone want to add it to the fireworks competitions? http://www.feux.qc.ca/feux_english/index.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.56.89 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Requesting edit for semi-protected article

I'm a new user at an edit-a-thon and request an experienced user consider making the following change to this article. In section 11.2 (Pollution), add a new sentence after the sentence that reads: "This is a subject of much debate ... specifically from fireworks."

NEW SENTENCE: 

But Independence Day (July 4) fireworks have been associated with measurable increases in fine particulate matter (PM2.5, with particle diameters less than 2.5 micrometers) in the United States during the evening of July 4 and the morning of July 5.[1]

The "graphical abstract" figure from this paper could also be added to the article.

US-average hourly concentration of atmospheric fine particulate matter (PM2.5, with particle diameter less than 2.5 micrometers) during the 24-hour period beginning 8 pm on July 4, compared with 4 other early July dates (considered as control cases).Figure taken from: Seidel, D. J. and A. N. Birnbaum, 2015: Effects of Independence Day fireworks on atmospheric concentrations of fine particulate matter in the United States, Atmospheric Environment, 115, 192-198, doi: 10.1016/j.atmosenv.2015.05.065

Thanks for considering this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dianseidel (talk • contribs) 19:38, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Seidel, Dian J.; Birnbaum, Abigail N. (August 2015). "Effects of Independence Day fireworks on atmospheric concentrations of fine particulate matter in the United States". Atmospheric Environment. 115: 192–198. doi:10.1016/j.atmosenv.2015.05.065. {{cite journal}}: no-break space character in |title= at position 71 (help)

Alternatives

Can some alternatives to firework shows be mentioned ? I'm thinking of LED-equipped quadcopter lightshows, ... KVDP (talk) 12:18, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Incorrect information about halloween

the article states that Northern Ireland has fireworks celebrations for halloween, this is not true. Like the rest of the UK (Infact even more so) the fireworks displays are all for guy fawkes day which is a few days later. There is absolutely no tradition for having fireworks for halloween anywhere in the UK. And in the unlikely event im wrong a citation should be provided proving they do indeed celebrate halloween with fireworks. (I also dont understand why halloween gets its own odd mention in the middle of the article). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.96.14.189 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm in no position to comment on Northern Ireland, but I agree that a section dedicated to Halloween does seem inappropriate. The content should probably be moved to each country's specific sub-section in the Fireworks celebrations throughout the world section. HiLo48 (talk) 22:33, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

United Kingdom section

Sounds very opinionated at the moment - I dont see why we need the "the top displays of 2008" on there and the part about a certain supplier being the best should also be removed 188.222.12.8 (talk) 10:14, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2019

A few facts about Iceland fireworks to add to that section

1. All category f1, f2 and f3 are legal in Iceland besides firecrackers and shells in category f2 and f3 2. Fireworks can be shot from 10:00 in the morning till 22:00 in the evening from 28th of december to 6th of january excluding new years night then fireworks can be shot from 10:00 AM on the 31st to 10:00 AM on january 1st Bjarki Þór Markússon (talk) 10:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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Change the EU status for the UK

The UK left the European Union on January 31st 2020 [1] as such they should be removed from the EU status on this page. --TheLuckyNickel (talk) 14:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_104

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edit request: missing a word

In the caption of the image at the start of Fireworks#Pollution, please change

smoke from fireworks, combined with smoke from wildfires few miles away

to

smoke from fireworks, combined with smoke from wildfires a few miles away

Thank you. 173.67.42.107 (talk) 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Feel 203.215.167.144 (talk) 16:21, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Finding a citation

The sentence "The annual festival has grown in magnitude, from 4,000 rounds used in 2004, to 6,000 in 2005, to more than 9,100 in 2006.[citation needed]"

requires a citation, there needs to be evidence to back up the claim. OliveDaphne (talk) 20:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

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