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Please merge History of PAX back into this hopeless stub, or delete PAX (event) as NN, with everything interesting before 2009 covered on the history page. After that the only notable event was apparently the new name PAX West for PAX Main with a tweet as source, and copy + paste of the same annual events at the same locations with zero info about what if anything happened. That's below lousy. –84.46.53.96 (talk) 00:04, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I moved all the dates into this article. (Although it's kind of random reference info, it's useful in seeing the growth and general patterns. It's also very hard to find online one-by-one.) Attendance figured need to be moved as well. I'm not really sure how to deal with the huge amount of historical detail on the first several PAXes. A lot of it doesn't seem encyclopedic, but I don't feel comfortable nominating the page for deletion and losing it all. tylermenezes (talk) 09:03, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the page for San Diego Comic Con and I like the way that they use a table to organize each year's con; perhaps something similar could be done with PAX? Putting the years into a table, along with notes for an notable events that occurred? Jourdy288 (talk) 19:26, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 September 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 21:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PAX (event) → Pax (event) – Move per WP:ALLCAPS. Since the convention has separated from Penny Arcade, the name is no longer officially an acronym, and the capitalization is simply a stylization - the convention is always referred to as "Pax". If people think it should still be capitalized, then I think it has a strong claim to being primary topic for "PAX" based on pageviews, being one of the few things called that as an acronym for something else. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:09, 7 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:17, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Regardless if it's no longer an acronym, perhaps in this case a pseudo-acronym, it's no different than SAT. – The Grid (talk) 22:18, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Grid: "SAT" is still pronounced "S, A, T", while "PAX" is not pronounced "P, A, X" but rather "pax", similar to the word for peace. They are not the same. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:51, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Is it not the same argument you mentioned with the name is no longer officially an acronym? PAX would still retroactively mean "Penny Arcade Expo" even if it officially does not just like SAT used to stand for Scholastic Aptitude Test. – The Grid (talk) 13:09, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    To give examples of other pseudo-acronyms that we have in all-caps, see PUP (band) (pronounced "pup") and NARAL (pronounced "nar-al"). (worth noting that I moved PUP to its current title five years ago) –IagoQnsi (talk) 03:29, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as it's still based on it once being an acronym, even if it no longer officially is. It's not like the examples at MOS:TMRULES (TIME, KISS, ASUS) where it's purely a stylization to make a brand name more noticeable. It's also pretty much universally still used in reliable sources, even years after the name change (e.g. Ars Technica, Rock Paper Shotgun, Destructoid, The Verge, IGN, NME, Engadget). –IagoQnsi (talk) 03:22, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Then you admit that it is no longer actually an acronym. The capitals are "based on the former acronym" but currently just a stylization, and the gaming press uses "PAX" in the same way that someone might say "ASUS". I'm not sure how what you said proves it falls under being an acronym currently. The only thing that ALLCAPS specifies is about how some acronyms may be written as words due to heavy use, but not the other way around. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:58, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zxcvbnm: I admit that it is not officially an acronym, but I think it still acts like an acronym in a lot of ways. An all-caps short name ending in X has become a common short-hand denoting conventions like this (e.g. RTX, EGX); it carries semantic meaning rather than merely being stylistic. Additionally, people still think of it as an acronym, and in fact might not even know that it isn't one anymore, so it makes sense to treat it like an acronym (see also NARAL Pro-Choice America, SAT). It's in a grey area, but I think PAX overall has more in common with an acronym than with a stylization. –IagoQnsi (talk) 03:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it's still styled as PAX in most/all sources I can find. From MOS:CAPSACRS On Wikipedia, most acronyms are written in all capital letters (such as NATO, BBC, and JPEG). Wikipedia does not follow the practice of distinguishing between acronyms and initialisms. and for any given example, use the spelling found in the majority of reliable, independent sources (e.g., LaTeX, M&Ms, 3M, and InBev). (InBev is an interesting example that is somewhat similar--it's a semi-acronym of two entities that no longer exist since they merged into a single one). It clearly is still primarily spelled "PAX". Skynxnex (talk) 21:35, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose move. Sources continue to refer to it as PAX. O.N.R. (talk) 01:14, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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