Talk:Jordan Adams (basketball, born 1981)

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Requested move 9 July 2015

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 12:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan Adams (basketball, born 1981) → Jordan Adams (women's basketball) – Since Talk:Wang_Fei_(male_footballer) went through, I think this deserves a RM as well per WP:RECOGNIZABLE. Jordan Adams (Canadian basketball player) is inadvisable because she was born and grew up in America, where she apparently still lives. Another option per WP:Natural is Jordan Adams Smith or Jordan Adams-Smith, her current married name, (even though she didn't take on the name until she retired?) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 22:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC) Timmyshin (talk) 22:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the standard DAB process for basketball figures of the same name is using birth year. I don't see a good reason to unnecessarily introduce gender into the DAB when it can be handled in this way. Not really convinced by WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS here, especially since I don't actually see a Consensus at that discussion. Seems to me like it was moved prematurely.. Rikster2 (talk) 22:50, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I also don't see why Jordan Adams isn't Jordan Adams (basketball, born 1994). Unless somebody wants to argue that he is notable enough to meet WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Rikster2 (talk) 22:53, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment Jordan Adams was created in 2014, while Jordan Adams (basketball, born 1981) was created in 2015. Either the male player was not disambiguate for convenience when the female one was created, or it was considered the primary topic. The male player get about 3x the number of page views, though it's a bit only about 70–80 views per day.—Bagumba (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment AFAIK, gender only creates an issue when "basketball" refers to "men's basketball".—Bagumba (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Actually, referring to "men's basketball" as "basketball" is the main issue. What say we change the NBA player to "Jordan Adams (men's basketball)" to match? Rikster2 (talk) 20:38, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Let's decide how we are handling this women's player first. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC would need to be considered for the men's player too.—Bagumba (talk) 08:54, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople) doesn't cover basketball specifically. Based on my experience, it seems basketball doesn't disambiguate based on player position, unlike some other sports. I also don't typically see basketball articles using the player's era as a disambiguator, which might be more recognizable than their birth year—perhaps it's because some players can span multiple decades. It seems that Jordan Adams (basketball, born 1981) played professionally in the 2000s, so Jordan Adams (2000s basketball player) might work since the male player went pro in the 2010s, but "women's basketball" seems more distinguishing than era or birth year in this case. We shouldn't expect that there is much precedent here, as it is rare that a male and a female share the same name and are notable in the same sport. Consider this a bit of WP:IAR.—Bagumba (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I am having trouble understanding the logic of going away from a naming convention that is well established for basketball figures (players and coaches). It sure feels like we're suggesting a different approach specifically because this person is female to me. Rikster2 (talk) 00:40, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, it's specific for the rare case where a male and female share the same name. Presumably, a reader would be more likely to know if its the male or female they are looking for, as opposed to knowing what specific year they were born. Otherwise, if all the basketball players on a disambiguation page are of the same gender, there is no need to mention men's/women's, as it would not be distinguishing in that case.—Bagumba (talk) 08:51, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - But there are 13 years separating the two players' birth dates - if I'm looking for a women's player who last played 10 years ago I'm not going to a Jordan Adams who was born in 1994. We have Reggie Jackson (basketball, born 1973) and Reggie Jackson (basketball, born 1990), both of whom are male players and we've never seen this "problem." We have Michael Smith (basketball, born 1965) and Michael Smith (basketball, born 1972), for whom theoretically there is more chance they could get mixed up. With hatnotes at the top of the two Jordan Adamses I do not see the issue. I think birth year separates era effectively in this case and gender doesn't need to be introduced. It makes it easier to editors to get the gist of how these articles are DABbed broadly. There isn't a perfect solution, so go with the consensus IMO. Rikster2 (talk) 12:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Bagumba. Egsan Bacon (talk) 13:57, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Doesn't seem much better than the current setup. "Canadian basketball" should be fine especially considering she played on the Canadian national team.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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