Talk:Julian Tuwim

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"(felt obliged by his given name, perhaps?), " - this verse is unnecessary and unobjective, in my humble opinion.

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Thanks for the article - Tuwim's poetry also set by (some?) composers, e.g. by Mieczyslaw Weinberg/Moisei Vainberg in some of his symphonies, songs and cantatas (incl sym 8 & 9 but also works as early as his op. 4.) - Schissel 09:46, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

(not) celebrating Stalin[edit]

I'm pretty sure the bit about celebrating Stalin in his later years is true. See for example here http://www.niniwa2.cba.pl/towarzysze_nieudanej_podrozy_05.htm (in Polish). Tuwim's one of my favorite poets but one shouldn't whitewash that kind of thing.radek 00:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ditto --Beaumont (@) 12:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Tuwim is mentioned in the given article (by Anna Bikont & Joanna Szczęsna) 3 times, very marginally, despite being the greatest living (but not active) poet in those years. Tuwim was not a party member. There is no citation from any Tuwim's poem in that article. The other two outstanding poets, Broniewski and Gałczyński, indeed had written significant poems about Stalin, but not Tuwim. The article claims that Tuwim had written some, without adding that virtually nobody paid attention to them or remembers them--they were not of any consequence (I personally don't know any, not one).
Then a letter of Tuwim to the then president of Poland is quoted. Tuwim promised that he will translate Russian classic Niekrasov into Polish--a classic of Russian literature--not Soviet, and not any communist, socialist, bolshevik or anything like this. So what's the big deal? Tuwim was pressed by communists but got away with not giving in except for a forced gesture.
Finally, on the occasion of Stalin's death, when communist terror was at its high, the article quotes the following Tuwim's phrase: "Przed taką trumnę przychodzi się z pochyloną głową. Ale odchodzi się od takiej trumny z głową podniesioną. Z ustokrotnioną energią do kontynuowania świętych i wzniosłych trudów naszych", which means: "to such a coffin one comes with their head down, and leaves with their head up; with energy increased a hundred times, to continue our holy and lofty efforts".
In the days of extremal terror, and in the face of extraordinary pressure to which he was subjected by the regime as a famous poet, Tuwim managed to preserve his integrity. But he couldn't write poems anymore, except for a few for himself. (One could say a lot about Tuwim as a good man in ugly times, but this is not the best place to do so). Wlod (talk) 11:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Rzecz Czarnoleska[edit]

Translating "Rzecz Czarnoleska" as "A Czarnolas Thing" appeares to me as thoroughly wrong. What "thing" would it be? Rzecz means "speech, tale" in old Polish (in Kochanowski's time, and some time later). "A tale from Czarnolas" should be a much more correct translation, though somebody can propose something better. 193.212.171.26 (talk) 15:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)Humanist

What about "Rzeczpospolita"? Does the word 'rzecz' have anything with 'speech' or 'tale' in common in this expresion? I am afraid, that this is not a good translation either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.198.76.130 (talk) 11:03, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, you heard about worlds with prular meaning, didn't you? Like bum in English. By the way I would add some informations about more vulgar poems, like "Wiersz, w którym autor grzecznie, ale stanowczo uprasza liczne zastępy bliźnich, aby go w dupę pocałowali", which translate as "Poem, in wich autor politely, but firmly asks huge crowds of people to kiss his ass" (Yup, it's real poem, ther's even article about it in polish Wikipedia) 78.131.215.1 (talk) 18:22, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Is that 'dulcimer' anecdote really necessary?[edit]

To be sure Tuwim was a great wit. But the anecdote presented in the article fails spectacularly at conveying this. Basically, it's untranslatable. But if we were to translate it perhaps a better word would be "gong". I can see, sort of, insulting someone in English by calling them a "gong". But I just cannot imagine any English speaking person feeling offense at being called a "dulcimer". The awkwardness of the story in English and the this-joke-has-to-be-explained little print lower the overall quality of the article. How about just getting rid of it until an example understandable to English speaking readers can be found?radek (talk) 09:34, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Lithuanian?[edit]

Currently the article claims Tuwim's family were descendants of the Lithuanian Jews while most of my books mention they indeed came from the East, but none mention specifically Lithuania. Tuwim's father Izydor (1858-1935) was pretty much from anywhere: born in Kalwaria (Lesser Poland), he studied in Koenigsberg (Prussia) and Paris before settling in Łódź. Any more info on that? //Halibutt 12:43, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Tuwim's grandfather published a Polish-language newspaper in Łódź [1] . Maybe the father of the mother.Xx236 (talk) 14:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Kalvarija is not in "Lesser Poland". Tuwim's mother, like his father, was also born in Lithuania, in Marijampolė. They were both educated people. Part of the Litvak intelligentsia. If you want to get technical about it, Julian Tuwim, and his parents, were all born in the Russian Empire. Not in Poland or in Lithuania. Tak to to, tak to to, tak to to, tak to to!... Right? Dr. Dan (talk) 16:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

antisemitic right wing[edit]

  • In 1929 Sanacja ruled, discriminating the "antisemitic right wing" Endecja.

Sanacja had its own "antisemitic right wing" but here "antisemitic right wing" sounds fuzzy. Who exactly attacked Tuwim?

  • The context of the poem - the First Five-Year Plan started constructon of the biggest army of the world, NSDAP obtained 10% of votes in local elections.Xx236 (talk) 13:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Dang, I messed this up.[edit]

I was trying to add a couple of categories, I hit control-z to (I thought) undo one change, and something happened to the reference list that i don't understand. Sorry, can somebody fix it? Jane Peppler (talk) 23:08, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I think you accidentally copy/pasted the article on Moishe Broderzon into this one. It happens ;). Anyway, I've removed it.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:08, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Murzynek Bambo[edit]

Surely this is one of his most famous poems? Isn't it worth mentioning (by someone who knows more about Tuwim than me)? Malick78 (talk) 16:28, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

B-class review[edit]

For WP:POLAND - failed, due to insufficient inline citations.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:25, 13 May 2013 (UTC)