Talk:List of metropolitan areas in India/Archive 1

Archive 1

Previous Unlabeled Comment

I couldn't relocate the exact .jpg I used, but the info's all over the net, so I've cited a reliable source at the bottom of the page that can be referred to. The numbers are the same. Thanks for the hard work 'text'ing it all, and I apologize for my sloppiness with citation! --LordSuryaofShropshire 13:38, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC)

Technical Correction

The list is agglomerations, not cities. Each of these agglomerations has multiple cities.

This has since been corrected. Urban ugglomerations have been moved to another article. AreJay 02:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Source

Where are the figures from? The current figures are not consistent with the cited World Gazetteer link. Also, are there official definitions for these areas? We should provide a link to the area definitions as well. We should also add surface area figures which would make this list more useful. Polaron 15:52, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I would add that Bhubaneshwar / Bhubaneswar, Orissa, appears twice on this list We really need a source 68.192.0.180 (talk) 01:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to updated from source given in References section. Thanks. GDibyendu (talk) 11:40, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Salem

Why has it been left out of the list? According to the 2001 India census the city alone had a population of 696,760 while the Salem Urban Agglomeration had a population of 751,438. Given that the 100th most populous metropolitan area on the existing list only has a population of 396,515 it seems odd why Salem has been left off the list. On a similar note, Erode which is said to be only the 7th largest settlement in Tamil Nadu (Salem is the 5th) is on the list of 100 most populous metropolitan area even though both the city and metropolitan areas are much smaller both in terms of size and population to Salem city and Salem's metropolitan area. I wonder how many other such places are missing in the existing list. Mcgillianaire (talk) 14:39, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the linked World Gazetter source, it appears that for some reason, Salem has indeed been left out. The city figure shows up [1] but the agglomeration figure is empty [2]. This in an error on the part of the source. Do you know of alternative recent estimate for the Salem UA? --Polaron | Talk 15:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Edit request from Chintansareen, 24 February 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}

Chintansareen (talk) 06:40, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:19, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Photos

The photographs of each city do not give a true picture of the city to an unknown reader. For e.g., look at Kolkata which is one of India's dirtiest cities. Most of the photos only show buildings or some random flyovers. No point. - Prashanth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.92.133 (talk) 14:22, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

request

I agree with prashanth, please give us an opportunity to edit the photos of the cities which reflect its respective flavour.

 Not done please read WP:IMAGE. Monkeymanman (talk) 21:02, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Bharathy1989, 14 September 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} please include "salem", tamil nadu in this list as it has over 8.5 lakh population and it is bigger than few of the cities mentioned there.

Bharathy1989 (talk) 04:38, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

So, please tell us what these sources actually are, thanks.  Chzz  ►  04:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

 Not done

Edit request from Drritesh, 24 September 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} I wanted to tell respected editors... Ahmedabad should be on seventh place followed by Pune on eighth. It has been recently reported by many sources.

So, what are these sources?  Chzz  ►  04:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request

Figures mentioned in the labels of the photos show both Bangalore and Hyderabad at position 5 AMEY 27-10-2011 7:27 PM (IST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ask5332 (talk • contribs) 13:58, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 16:14, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 December 2011

180.211.70.153 (talk) 08:37, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

 Not done Please be more specific about the request. —Commander _{(Ping me)} 11:23, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Bangalore third largest?!

This article mentions Kolkata city's population as being less than Bangalore's. It even cites a source - World Gazetter. I am not sure if it is reliable. In no government document, or other private study which might be privy to such statistics, is there any mention of Bangalore being more populous than Kolkata. Honestly, it just goes against 'common sense'. Perhaps someone could verfity the figures with some 'official' statistics. Priyatu 08:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The municipal corporation of Bangalore is estimated for 2005 to be just slightly larger than the municipal corporation of Kolkata. The agglomerations (which the current list is based on) are a different matter. Polaron 16:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Well Bangalore is the 4th largest city and I am not sure why Hosur is part of Bangalore. Hosur belongs to a different state and can never be considered to be part of bangalore. In Fact Bangalore has two parts, Bangalore Urban and Bangalore Rural. Please check your facts before you write and also appreciate if you could make this editable, These are supposed to be public Articles. Please refer to the Census data for clarity on the figures. King2droid (talk) 00:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)king2Droid ~~king2droid~~

Bangalore is the third largest city and fifth largest urban agglomeration in India as per the 2011 census reports. The two parts—Bangalore Urban and Bangalore Rural that you were referring is the entire Bangalore district. Hosur is considered to be a part of the Bangalore metropolitan area because there is a continuous chain of urban settlement in the Bangalore–Hosur corridor. —Commander _{(Ping me)} 09:37, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Chennai

Chennai Metropolitan area has nothing do do with Kanchipuram. It covers only the Tambaram taluk in Kanchipuram district and Ambattur taluk of tiruvallur district.

Anbu121 (talk me) 11:50, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Who said? Check the sources! If Hosur is a part of Bangalore Metropolitan area, Kanchipuram can very well be a part of Chennai MA. —Commander _{(Ping me)} 15:40, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Ghaziabad

The Coverage column for Delhi says that it includes Ghaziabad. Then why should Ghaziabad be listed seperately?

Anbu121 (talk me) 11:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

You got a point there. This list was designed based on the information published by Press Information Bureau, Government of India —Commander _{(Ping me)} 16:41, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I've corrected the list and updated accordingly. Many thanks for pointing out! —Commander _{(Ping me)} 16:50, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Mumbai

The region of the Mumbai Suburbs includes the farther suburbs of Kalyan, Dombivali, Ambernath, Ulhasnagar alongwith Thane, Navi Mumbai, Vasai-Virar, Bhiwandi and Badlapur. Combining individual census population of all these suburbs leads to gain of more than 5.5 million people to the existing 18.41 million people in Greater Mumbai, making it much larger than Delhi NCR. Anyone wanting to challenge this edit must first refer all the individual reference pages to these suburbs and consider adding their population to the main city. Amey Ambade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amey ambade (talk • contribs) 05:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Reliability

The pages main reference is highly questionable. It is questionable source and it is better to shift to refernce like CITY POPULATION.DE http://www.citypopulation.de/world/Agglomerations.html. It article clearly violates the wikipedias another article List of million-plus agglomerations in India which has a much greater importance.Hence i kindly want to discuss the possibility of merging this item with List of million-plus agglomerations in India or updating its source.-- devx101 [TALK] 18:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Y Agree - A metropolitan area requires at least of 4 million (40 lakh) population. Refer this :[3] Rahulpattuvam talk 16:12, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Criteria

There is a difference between "Urban agglomerations" and "Metropolitan areas". In India, a city is called a Metropolitan area, if it has a population of over 4 million. Going by that logic, we will have only nine cities according to the 2011 census. Listing 100 cities which includes several small areas would make no meaning, when there is a separate article for List of million-plus agglomerations in India. The Government gives the Metropolitan definition only for cities like Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai, Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Nagpur. See this link for more clarifications. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 19:47, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

We could do a comparative list for the metropolitan areas for a bigger list. For example, the same idea as List of cities by GDP. One column be the official numbers and then we can add data from other reliable sources into separate columns. This was we can have official data and people can an idea of how many people are living a metropolitan area where data is missing. Elockid (Alternate) ^(Talk) 21:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

abt mumbai ; this article depicts delhi is largest metropolitan region which is in contrast with wht mentioned in article List of million-plus agglomerations in India.... also official census data (ref http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011-prov-results/paper2/data_files/India2/Table_3_PR_UA_Citiees_1Lakh_and_Above.pdf) provides information tht mumbai is largest UA and also largest city followed by delhi n then kolkata. i think this article should merged with article List of million-plus agglomerations in India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dramol2011 (talk • contribs) 12:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Both are different. An Urban agglomeration is a continuous urban stretch where as a Metropolitan area covers even the nearby UAs. —Commander _{(Ping me)} 13:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

See this link published by the Press Information Bureau, Mumbai. —Commander _{(Ping me)} 13:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

This article is only about Urban Agglomerations with more than one million population. I agree with @devx101 and @commander. This should be contain only those with more than 4 million population. We already have well maintained articles about List of million-plus agglomerations in India and List of metropolitan areas in Asia - Rahulpattuvam talk 17:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Excessive Coverage

Cities like Bangalore, have excessive coverage and the areas included are integral parts of Bangalore e.g. Hebbal, Yehelanka, etc! Search for Bangalore in Google Maps, the correct region of the city is given! Other places must be removed then or else, for every city we can add tens of localities!
ChitranshGaurav 13:43, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Ya there is no point in including places which are close to the heart of the city. As the name of the column suggests add only the extremes and areas close to that. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:38, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Metropolitan city

What is the minimum population limit defined for a Metropolitan city. There are sources that say, 1 million and others mentioning it to be 4 million. As far as sources are concerned, there are many contradicting ones. If 1 million is the limit, this list clearly overlaps with List of million-plus agglomerations in India. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 10:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I believe it is one million. AS per this definition, [as far as my knowledge goes] only 6 cities qualify to be called a metro, viz Chennai, Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata, Hyderabad, Bangalore. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:19, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

There are 53 cities with a population of 1 million or more as of now. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 11:22, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

AS the official sources found by this user [4] says its 10 million Lakhs, we should now put our speculations to rest. Its not the authority of wiki editors to grant Metro status to Indian cities. :P --DBigXray 11:34, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

10 million is not equal to 10 lakhs :P. The data is a very old data and they have defined the figures based on the 1991 census. There is no point in having this article if the 10 lakhs is the limit. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 11:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Oops, just noticed that. My mistake. However as per this link that I used as a ref in 2009 in the Metropolitan area article, it says 1Million is the limit. Which, is a problem. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:50, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

No, the hindu article says "qualifying mark of four millions to be recognised as a mega city.", It does not claim that 4 millions is for Metropolitan city, I am not sure what definition of Mega City is, But we must not assume that Mega city = Metropolitan City, per WP:SYNTHESIS . Either we follow the source at hand or else look for the recent sources, but we should never give our personal opinions on what must be the limit, without proper sources. . --DBigXray 18:07, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Sources to Prove Metropolitan City status = > 1 Million Population

1. Indian Government source saying 1 million
2. Check this source it gives the number of metro cities and says that MEtro and Mega cities are different [5] and [6] from Viswambhar Nath; Surinder K. Aggarwal (1 January 2007). Urbanization, Urban Development, and Metropolitan Cities in India. Concept Publishing Company. pp. 89–. ISBN 978-81-8069-412-7. Retrieved 2 August 2012.
3. Metropolitan area means area having >10 Lakh population J. C. Johari (2007). The Constitution of India a Politico-legal Study. Sterling Publishers Pvt. Ltd. pp. 280–. ISBN 978-81-207-2654-3. Retrieved 2 August 2012.
4. Check Q 23, 24 [7]--DBigXray 18:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I guess most other countries have two lists: One for Cities(Corporation limits) and another for urban agglomerations. I am not sure is there is any concrete definition that distinguishes between metropolitan area and urban agglomeration. --Anbu121 (talk me) 18:24, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

The Mega city concept is entirely new. There should be some difference between cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata, Chennai and cities like Madurai, Lucknow, etc., —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 18:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

However, officially, there are only four cities being considered as Metros, namely Madras, Bombay, Delhi and Calcutta. I'm saying this on the basis of the fact that these cities have a separate Telecom circle and are the terminal points of the Golden Quadrilateral. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:54, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Traditionally, the word metropolitan is used to denote the cities which inhabits people from different areas and culture. I think, its not possible to zero in onto a definition for Metropolitan or a population limit criteria. We should stick to two lists: one for city limits, one for urban agglomeration. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I believe that would mean that this article would require a move. How about List of most populous urban agglomerations in India ??? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

 Disagree I have given my comments and showed the sources supporting my claim, can Rsri provide sources for his claims ? please beware of WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:OR, our edits must not be on your beliefs or opinion but based on the Core content policies of WP:V --DBigXray 12:14, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

My "claims" were based on a ten year old fact. At that time, there were only 4 metros. I'm not claiming any. Those are still being considered as official metros today. As for the article renaming, it was based on User:Anbu121's response. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:47, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I am yet to see any source for this so called ten year old fact, Again, please check this source which you seem to have ignored above, This Book is very clear about the number of Metropolitan Cities that we are debating above.--DBigXray 12:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you should lookup Highbeam or Jstor. I'm on a limited access internet connection so it's a bit difficult to get sources. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Also, I never gave a personal opinion on what should be the limit. I still am not. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:59, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I have looked for the sources and this is what I came up with, you can take your time we are not in a hurry, It will be best if we can have some good sources to back up claim. Claim/belief/opinion, whatever you call it is still not backed up with a source and hence of no use so far. --DBigXray 13:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I've had a discussion regarding the title of this page before a while User:Elockid. There is a difference between metropolitan areas and UAs. Take the case of Ghaziabad, it has a city population of 0.96 million and UA population of 2.3 million. Ghaziabad by itself is not a metropolitan area. Due to its proximity with NCR, it is listed under Delhi Metropolitan area. We cannot include all cities with one million population and the page title needs to be changed. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 07:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

- Keep as it is now

• I think the page is currently in good condition.The intro only need a little change,something like "the govt didnt officialy declaried the limit 1 mil or 4 mil, but people/media mostly consider(?) cities with 4 mil as metros because most of the indian cites got 1 mil population"
• Even if the old article says(if so) it considers the 1 million as createria,none will realy consider it as "reasonable" limit.if we add 1 mil as limit, it's no different with List of million-plus agglomerations in India
• If we still want to add all the cites with more than 1 mil people, we already have List of million-plus agglomerations in India :). or we can mention or give link to List of million-plus agglomerations in India in List of most populous metropolitan areas in India article

-Rahulpattuvam talk 06:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Rahul I think has ignored every source that has been placed in this thread and the article as a reference. We already have a Government source saying 1 million. While I am claiming with concrete sources few other contributors are arguing based on their opinion/likeness/preferences without giving any source in support of their claims. I am afraid the cut off limit for the list cannot be decided by personal opinions. --DBigXray 06:47, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The title of the article read "List of most populous metropolitan areas in India". But we have a list of all such areas satisfying the minimum criteria. We should focus upon trimming down the list. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 06:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Vensantry what are you referring by But we have a list of all such areas satisfying the minimum criteria ? and on what criteria are you planning to trim the list ? --DBigXray 06:49, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

If we include all metropolitan areas (assuming 1 million to be the min. criteria as provided by some sources published by the govt.) this will be a duplication of List of million-plus agglomerations in India. There is a difference between a metro and UA. A urban agglomeration need not have population of 10 lakhs. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 07:31, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

So we will need to either rename the two lists appropriately or to beef up this list in accordance with the sources we have for the Metropolitan city. By the way what is the criteria and the source for the limit of urban agglomeration ?--DBigXray 07:38, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

UA is a continuous chain of urban settlements around the core city. Karur which had a population of 76000 had an UA population of 1.5 lakhs in 2001. There is no limit on the minimum population. (I was wrong here)—Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 08:25, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

In that Case it will be pure WP:OR if you proceed about Urban Agglomeration claim without sources. The local residents will try adding their own cities, how will you refute their claims if you yourself are standing on slippery grounds ? --DBigXray 09:47, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how you took my interpretation. Just because I didn't cite the source in the above statement it isn't OR. The figure for Karur was listed in the census website (2001). See the Municiapal website of the town and also simple google search will make you understand things better. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

That is a source that can only be used to support UA status for Karur. Its not useful for deciding the basis for the LIST of UA. I think the discussion was on deciding the basis of UA or whatever name we are going toput up here, not Karur, isn't it ? --DBigXray 10:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC).

Here we go, [8]. I guess it's sufficient enough. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 10:57, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

That is a reliable official source and is good enough, now on the basis of this we can rename this list and remove the word metropolitan from the title. I think the list List of million-plus agglomerations in India can have the word Metropolitan in its title per the official sources that i have produced above. what say ? --DBigXray 11:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Nope. I think the "List of million-plus agglomerations in India" article is fine. As already said, there is a difference between a metropolitan area and UA. UAs need not be a Metropolitan areas always. We should rename this article so as to include only the top ten metropolitan areas or something like that. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 11:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

IMO, I think this article is main issue. List of million-plus agglomerations in India is good for the most part. One of the main issues is that some of the data found on List of million-plus agglomerations in India is the exact same as this page. See Hyderabad and Pune for example. However though, reiterating what Vensatry has stated, there is a difference between an urban agglomeration (mostly based on built-up area) and a metropolitan area (mostly based on commuters to a central city or cities). Based on these definitions, two separate lists if possible would be better. I managed to find Mumbai's metropolitan population some time earlier but I can't access it now since the site appears to be on maintenance. It is possible they might have different figures. I don't know if the Census Bureau had an extended UA for the 2001 Census but the 2001 population for Mumbai UA was 16,434,386 while the population given by MMDA was 17,702,761 for the same time period. Also, is there a reason we removed the link for the extended UA? Elockid ^(Talk) 15:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You got a point here. Your source clearly explains the break-up of area, population and other vital parameters of the MMR. Also Chennai UA had a population of 6.5 million in 2001. The CMDA reports the population of the extended Metropolitan area to be 7.1 million. This clearly shows that a metropolitan area is an extended UA and there are differences between them. I guess it should have a similar pattern for Kolkata and Delhi. This source talks about two different regions for Bangalore. I'm sure this won't be the case for all the 53 areas with a population of 1 million. As for the PIB source I've restored it. (Don't know who removed it). —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

DBigXray, as you said the govt has declared 1 mil as limit in 1992. but even state govts.s are not using the term metro for 1 mil + UAs (like this link most of them are still considering them UAs or Extended UAs). if i mil is considered cities, even with no "standard" criteria s [like airport, etc, a general concept for metros(well i have no proof) :) ] will fall under metros, yes i agree people cannot set standard for metros :). But then why different state govt itself hesitate to call most of it's UAs as metro.

• what i still says is, keep this article as "most populous metros in India".. and mention that govt declared 1 mil limit in 1992 but still the usage of metro for 1 mil + UAs are rare and give link to 1 mil + UA article - Rahulpattuvam talk 11:55, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Languages Column

The 'Languages Spoken' column does not convey much information related to the title of the page. Having this column is only going to attract vandalism and edit warring. I suggest to remove the column. -Anbu121 (talk me) 14:11, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

If you consider places in different states where different languages are spoken as part of a single metropolitan area then you ought to have a "Languages spoken" section. Bangalore and in Hosur are in two different states under different administrations and where different languages are spoken. Hosur does not come under BBMP. It also also separated by six kilometres of rural agricultural land from the nearest urban centre of Attibele. Every article in Wikipedia is prone to POV-pushing or vandalism - that's not reason enough to shy away from it altogether.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 16:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

If you are keen about reducing vandalism you might also have to remove the "Extent" column. Removing them altogether isn't a good idea. Take the case of Delhi, where the metropolitan area is spread over three other states. "Languages spoken" becomes very important here. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

But the metros got most of the Indian language speakers, how are we suppose to add all those. I don’t know if there

are any official languages for metros :)? If again based on no. limit, it will also going to make confusion -Rahulpattuvam talk 06:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Get rid of the language column. It does not serve a useful purpose. If the area is spread over multiple states then mention those states. People who are interested in finding more about those states can find out what languages are spoken there. If take Mumbai, then in the language column one will have to add not only each and every language spoken but also dialects such as Malvani or Goan Konkani ! Jonathansammy (talk) 16:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Ten reverts in the last 15 days. Isn't it time to rethink about removing the languages column? --Anbu121 (talk me) 17:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

As Ravi already said every article is prone to POV pushing and vandalism, we cannot do away with them. Some anons are constantly removing the Telugu language from Chennai column which I've been reverting. I'm pretty sure that the IPs are one and the same. We shouldn't think further when such anons don't even provide a proper reason for their revert. If you want we'll get the article semi-protected or even block them for constant edit warring. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 18:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

A column displaying the area of the metropolitan regions would be more informative and fitting than the languages column. --Anbu121 (talk me) 18:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd support and give more weightage to area. But unfortunately, there is no clear set of data available for Indian metros. There are multiple sources showing various figures for some cities; Delhi, Bangalore and Hyderabad to name a few. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 19:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

If you say that area is not included for lack of proper sources, then I expect you to source all the information in the languages column properly or to remove it. --Anbu121 (talk me) 04:27, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not very keen to retain the languages column. Removing the column altogether just because of those anon POV pushers won't be a good idea. Again if we go for sourcing the area column do you think the article will be free from edit wars. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 10:00, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, leave IP edits and revert wars apart. What is the point in having unsourced and controversial information, which doesn't add any important information to the article. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:25, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I guess your question was already answered by Ravi. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 18:14, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, it is still not answered on why we should have unsourced controversial information. --Anbu121 (talk me) 18:48, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

If "vandalism" is the reason why languages should not be added, then you might observe that the demographics section in Chennai article lists a few languages that are "widely used" in Chennai. On what criteria, has such a list been created. Why not add the number of people in Chennai who speak Punjabi or Bengali along with Telugu or Kannada or Malayalam? I'm sure sources are available. Vandalism or lack of sources in the article (which does not imply that sources are altogether absent) is not reason enough to remove the particular column from the list. You might very well regulate the criteria upon which languages are added (For eg. you might change it to an "Official languages" section where the official languages of the city corporation are listed).-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 04:41, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

On what basis do you say that adding "languages" is controversial. We have that for each and every city in their infoboxes. Some even have a separate attribute for "Other languages". —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 05:53, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

The controversial element here is how do you determine which languages should be included in the column and which languages should not be included. The heading of the column says "Languages spoken". For example, there is a small amount of population in Chennai who speak malayalam. Why not include it? How do you determine that only these languages listed are major languages? What percentage of people needs to speak the language for it to be considered a major language spoken? All these questions are of course controversial. If the languages column is not sourced, it is indeed a violation of WP:Verifiability and liable to be removed. Even if you source it, these questions which I mentioned above needs to addressed. --Anbu121 (talk me) 09:02, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate this point. The term "Languages spoken" is vague and Indian metropolitan cities can have a number of different language speakers. Even if we restrict the column to "major languages" some users will keep adding their languages with the help of some newspaper sources which claims the presence of minority communities. One thing what we can do is, go for Official languages. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:40, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Changing it to Official Language sounds logical. But still, we will have some problems for Bangalore and Delhi, which is spread across multiple states. Only states have official languages. Does a metropolitan area automatically inherit the official language of all the states which it is spread across?? --Anbu121 (talk me) 09:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Articles on metro areas of cosmopolitan cities like New York and London do not have anything on languages spoken. On the hand, when bidding for the Olympics, mayors of the two cities have mentioned of hundreds of languages spoken in their respective cities. User Vensatry should think of the havoc that would ensue if he introduced language columns for these two cities ! And yes, I will reiterate my request to get language column removed from the list. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Since the discussion is only about Indian cities and not on cities in America, Antarctica, etc., we should speak from India(n) perspective. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we'll have a problem for cities other than Delhi. Bangalore Metropolitan Area covers only Karnataka. Only few places surrounding Hosur, are a part of it. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:51, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

The best thing would be to leave the readers to know the official language from the individual articles. The other two lists: most populous cities and million-plus UA does not have language column. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Name change / content of list

Given that the citation that this ordered list is based on (i.e. the 4th citation - pib Mumbai) refers to Urban Agglomerations, then this should really be in the title of the article. Therefore, logically the article should change to List of most populous urban agglomerations in India. However, given that List of million-plus agglomerations in India exists, perhaps it would be better to add a column to that list for the agglomerations, and then this article could be deleted.Any thoughts? Eldumpo (talk) 07:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

The previous section has some discussion on this issue. An Urban Agglomeration can contain only municipalities (including nagar panchayats: semi-rural, semi-urban), but a Metropolitan Area (as per the 1st reference used in the article) can contain rural panchayat area too. Metro cities or Mega Cities are municipalities (1 only, not UA) with 4 million plus population. (We could have a separate list of mega cities of India also, if it is not there already.) The main data of this article is from 2nd column of the table listed in 4th citation: it is the population of metropolitan area, whereas the data of 1ht 1st column of the table is for UA's. I can access primary ref for UA's in census site, here the UA data is in the 1st column in the table. I would be happier to get a similar data for Metropolitan areas from census site.--GDibyendu (talk) 08:56, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Agreeing with the fact pointed out in earlier discussion and summarised by GDibyendu, the only problem would be to find out the exact population of the "Metropolitan area" as this is not a valid criteria recognised by the census authority. Either we have to depend on the figures given by the Metropolitan Development Authorities (KMDA, CMDA, etc) which will be mostly the figure of the UA or base it on WP:SYNTHESIS. Another interesting article was left out in earlier the discussion is, Classification of Indian cities. According to this article, only 6 cities are recognised by GOI as Tier - I/X city for allocating House Rent Allowance (HRA) to public servants employed in different cities in the country. Historically, Compensatory City Allowance was the highest for the Tier-I cities. Can this be an indicative? Another, interesting fact which I have encountered, is regarding the population figure of Siliguri, while the city population is around 5 Lakh, and UA is 7 lakh. But, the UA area is a very small part of what is perceived to be Greater Siliguri, the census people have left out areas which in common sense and general notion is considered to be part of Greater Siliguri and should have been within UA. Further, Siliguri has a Development Authority called Siliguri-Jalpaiguri Development Authority which projects the total population of the "Development Area" to be much larger. However this cannot be the true metropolitan area figure of Siliguri, as this includes another town, Jalpaiguri, both the cities are 35-40 kms apart from each other's municipal limits. One must take into account, what should be done in such cases. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 12:10, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the above responses. I watched the page for a few days after my post but have only seen the responses now.

@GD - the data in the new ref you have provided is different to that being used in the article. However I note it also refers to 'Urban Agglomerations' thus perhaps confirming my suggested rename above (although you would have to reconcile the different data).

@Amartya - we should certainly not be undertaking any kind of original research /synthesis. If 'metropolitan area' is not a listed data set then that is more reason to change the list name to reflect the sources. Eldumpo (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2014

Please add the below line as Patna is also a metropolitan region in India. | 10 || Patna Metropolitan Region || Patna Regional Development Authority || Bihar || 1,150 km² || 3,128,273 || Includes Patna, Patna City, Bihta, Danapur, Naubatpur, Fatuha and Punpun |

101.220.211.90 (talk) 11:36, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done for now: Lists require that the page already exists in order to be added. Patna Metropolitan Region does not exist, and therefor is not yet eligible to be listed. Thank you for your interest in contributing. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:02, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Difference

What is the difference between these two pages List of million-plus urban agglomerations in India and List of most populous metropolitan areas in India. Both states 10lakhs (1 million) and above are metro areas.--Vin09 (talk) 07:56, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2014

Ahmedabad Area 7,700 159.53.174.140 (talk) 06:54, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, but note that the only source used for population figures in this article is the 2011 census. - Arjayay (talk) 07:56, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2014

Please remove Kochi from the page since the population mentioned is wrong and is 16th largest urban agglomeration in India. As per Urban Agglomeration 2011,Population is 2,117,990. Source: http://www.census2011.co.in/census/metropolitan/417-kochi.html

103.27.171.54 (talk) 06:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

 Already done. Stickee (talk) 03:19, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

The population of Chennai is wrong

The population of Chennai is wrong

The population of Chennai is wrongly quoted, even the link to PDF shows the population as 4,681,087 Even shows the correct count

and Even google search shows the correct 4,681,087 count But only in this page the Chennai wiki link shows the wrong population 8,696,010, from where this count was referred?

either correct this count to 4,681,087 or provide the right reference link —

The "Cities having population 1 lakh and above, Census 2011" shows chennai population as 4,681,087, correct this page as per the records.

Not done: The source definitely says 8,696,010 to me. Second page, 4th from the bottom. Stickee (talk) 08:44, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

About urban area constituents

There are large list of constituents for some cities, so I've shifted them to their respective Urban development authority pages, though they are unreferenced, I've added citation needed template. About this page I've added an extra section for references and any entries should be added with proper reference.--Vin09 (talk) 08:39, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Metropolitan areas

AP capital region is officially recognised by government on 31 December 2015. Check the reference, it was already existed earlier also in the name of VGTMUDA, when state was united. Delhi is not repeated twice Delhi NCT is the main delhi, NCR is quite different, as there are two urban authorities. Can check the references.--Vin09 (talk) 06:30, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Vin09 As far as I can see the 2011 census with million plus metro area is provided in the list which DOES NOT include any AP Capital area or Delhi NCT-NCR differently. AP capital region is recognized as an upcoming metro, the city is YET to be established, we cant just take population of bunch of neighboring towns and villages and put it in current metro list. I have also added 'by population' for benefit as nowhere it says that the list is by area and generally metro list is arranged by population. Delhi NCR and NCT may be governed by different UA but it does not change the fact that Delhi NCT its included in Delhi NCR, so no point in repeating the metro twice. This is list of current metropolitan areas in India not future or UA because if we start list UA then we will have 100+ on this list.JayB91 (talk) 00:58, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

@JayB91:As per your statement I've removed Delhi NCT. Also placed based on population. AP Capital region do exist before the state was divided. It was known as VGTMUDA - Vijayawada Guntur Tenali Mangalagiri Urban Development Authority. It was abolished and renamed as AP Capital region, the name doesn't mean it is related to the newly city to be built. It is the urban body of 4 municipalities together as the definition itself says one or more districts and consisting of two or more Municipalities or Panchayats or other contiguous areas. VGTMUDA can't be mentioned now because it was renamed, which you thought I added Amaravati (capital city) but its not. AP city is quite different. I told this in the previous post too.--Vin09 (talk) 04:25, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Delhi population wrong

It says 46,049,032 despite both refs 1 and 2 saying around 21,753,486. Am I missing something here? ‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 12:35, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Ref2 is provisional, not final.--Vin09 (talk) 12:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

4.60 is correct per this ref, ref2 it is metro region. MCR is not delhi alone, it covers NCT-Delhi, Haryana, Rajasthan also.--Vin09 (talk) 12:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Update

2010 World Gazetteer figures are out. Adding the update tag if anyone wants to update the article before I get the chance to. Elockid ^(Talk·_Contribs) 03:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Update finished. Elockid ^(Talk·_Contribs) 18:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Pune Metropolitan Region is the seventh largest in India GreenExcalibur (talk) 14:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Providing Accurate Information

Who ever edits this page please make sure yoi provide correct information based on statistics. I've noticed that the Information provided on this page is not accurate. GreenExcalibur (talk) 14:30, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

@GreenExcalibur:Please report which info is inaccurate.--Vin09 (talk) 14:54, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

India list

What incorrect information are you referring to? This sourced list was already at the article. What alternative sourced list do you have? Eldumpo (talk) 12:34, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: First of all check List of million-plus urban agglomerations in India. Here it is metropolitan region. Also, read the first para of your refrence As per the preliminary results of the Census 2011 which means they are not final (but provisional). Can even check List_of_metropolitan_areas_of_the_United_States which has a heading in first column Metropolitan area which you removed here.--Vin09 (talk) 13:00, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

• The authorities have wiki links already adjacent to the specific metropolitan region, so need of any citation tags.--Vin09 (talk) 11:59, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

OK, so there is already a UA article, so where is the sourced list showing Indian 'Metropolitan Areas'? In the absence of that there must be a doubt about the notability of this Wikipedia list. Eldumpo (talk) 20:18, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

All information in Wikipedia should be directly cited (especially when challenged/tagged), and a link to another Wikipedia page is not enough. In the absence of any kind of referenced list showing these Metropolitan areas how can you argue it is notable for 'Urban Planning Authority' to be one of the columns? Eldumpo (talk) 20:25, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: its not an arguement, if your point is correct then definitely I'll obey, but only the thing is it should not be an issue in future edits, so a detailed discussion is needed. I'll involve other editors also to have their valuable opinion, whatever is correct we'll keep that. @Vensatry, Human3015, Arjayay, Titodutta, Utcursch, and Sitush: Earlier there was a discussion to move List of towns in India by population, when this page was also in the discussion. Please provide your opinion on the discussion.Vin09 (talk) 05:19, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

I had a look at the previous move discussions although couldn't see any specific mention of this 'metropolitan areas' list? This list needs to follow core Wikipedia policies such as WP:N, WP:V, and also WP:SYNTHESIS. Eldumpo (talk) 09:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Not specifically discussed, just I remember there was a mention. Whatever, we've started here so not a big problem. Let's wait for others views.--Vin09 (talk) 09:35, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

• I would like to agree with Vin09 that this is a list on "metropolitan areas" and not on "million-plus urban agglomerations". Though there is not an official list like there is for "million-plus urban agglomerations", as long as the current entries cite reliable sources which talk about that particular region (like "Pune Metropolitan Area"), there should not be a problem. Perhaps give WP:SYNTHNOT a look. Best, Yash! 09:26, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
  • This is apparently a list of 'metropolitan areas' but following reliable sources is a key part of Wikipedia, so there is a problem if this is just a collection of information arbitrarily pulled together. Synthnot is an essay, why not concentrate instead on Synth which is part of official policy? The Pune source doesn't even have a population figure! Eldumpo (talk) 08:30, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
    • List of towns in India by population, List of municipal corporations in India all these are similar kind, which do not have a listings on a single reference.--Vin09 (talk) 08:57, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
      • All uncited lists have the potential to be challenged, and lists should stand on their own merits, not just as a result of other Wikipedia articles, which are also liable to be questioned. Eldumpo (talk) 17:15, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
    • "This essay is intended to help explain the spirit of that policy. In particular, this essay is intended to oppose taking an excessively strict interpretation of the policy in many cases. After all, Wikipedia does not have firm rules." It is not something that was arbitrarily put together since the metropolitan areas are legitimate. So there are a few issues with some sources which certainly can be fixed. As long as those metropolitan areas exist and are referred to as so, and there being sources which mention the population number, I really don't see how this would appear to be synthesis of published material. The policy states that material from source A should not be combined with material from source B to conclude C. Nothing is being concluded over here and it is just a simple list. I fail to see how this list would not comply with our policies. Yash! 20:12, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
      • Why focus on essays rather than policies and guidelines? It is arbitrary in that it is deciding just because these authorities/metro areas generally have 'metropolitan' in their title they should be included here? However, I note the Andra Pradesh entry does not have this wording so why is it in the list? Given the massive differences in areas between a number of the 'metro areas' it's difficult to see the rationale for bundling them all together. The Pune source mentions that it includes 857 villages, doesn't sound like a standard 'metro area' to me! Eldumpo (talk) 22:01, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
      • The first para clearly explains the existence of such an urban area in India. The reference is from government sites. About the list, the reference are provided alternatively now.--Vin09 (talk) 08:30, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: As per your point, I've added proper references and removed unsourced ones and non metro areas. I restored an earlier version, but only for adding correct info from the scratch. Reply back if you want anything to be done.--Vin09 (talk) 06:10, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm not at all convinced of the notability of this list, and believe it is complete Synthesis. However, it seems there is no consensus at this stage to not have a 'metro area' list, but at the very least all entries have to clearly have a source showing 'metro area'. There are still a few that do not meet that. Eldumpo (talk) 20:39, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

See, I understand what you were pointing in the above discussion. I say the wording exists, but only thing is, there is no reference available as of now for all the lists to be at one place. But still I try to keep it updated as you said with good reference. Let's see for more suggestions from others.--Vin09 (talk) 04:44, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for noting the difficulties in this list, without the presence of a reliable list source. I have marked a few other entries as needing a source, as there is no reference to metropolitan. Eldumpo (talk) 11:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: Check Ref1 and Ref2. Both the maps are Delhi-NCR's. Also, read the definition on the article talk page. An entry need not metro in the name. It may have any equivalent name.--Vin09 (talk) 11:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Where is the reliable source indicating that metropolitan areas can also refer to an 'equivalent name'. Do you mean like 'urban agglomerations'? In which case, perhaps this page should just redirect to the India UA article. Eldumpo (talk) 11:48, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: I've clearly stated in the first part of the discusison, UA is different. I'm referring to National Capital Region and the core city is Delhi. It may not have name like Delhi Metropiolitan Area/Region. The definition clearly says "an area having a population of ten lakhs or more, comprised in one or more districts and consisting of two or more Municipalities or Panchayats or other contiguous areas, specified by the Governor by public notification to be a Metropolitan area with a core city. I'm only referring to Delhi. Above two maps in the references are clearly states the same thing.--Vin09 (talk) 11:56, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

That definition only seems to indicate that once cities are big enough they get referred to as municipalities, but it does not state that municipalities/metro areas have a different definition of measurement than cities. Eldumpo (talk) 13:04, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Please note, contiguous areas can be equivalent to Urban agglomerations and Census towns or any urban out growths and all are subset of a Metropolitan Area.--Vin09 (talk) 11:59, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Have you got a source for this? Eldumpo (talk) 13:04, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Ok, for clear understanding, check, check it, UA and Metro Area are different. You asked earlier too.--Vin09 (talk) 03:42, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Check THIS REF which states Delhi National Capital Region is the first Metro area, second is Bangalore and third as Hyderabad.--Vin09 (talk) 12:09, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Not sure how reliable the source is, but it has a different position for Bangalore and Hyderabad than our list. However, it refers to 'urban development authority'. Eldumpo (talk) 13:04, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Erstwhile urban development authority was merged in HMDA. A government site is not reliable? You say it is not equal to our list. You have removed 2011 estimates given by their sites. I don't oppose that. That's the reason the ranking may vary, as Mumbai is 2005 data.--Vin09 (talk) 03:35, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

It is not equal to our list as it is referring to 'urban development authority'. If you think that is one and the same thing as 'metro area' then do you think the source is correct in saying that Mumbai and Kolkata are not in the top 3 of India's 'metro areas'?Eldumpo (talk) 20:48, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm referring to Hyderabad not about any ranking, HUDA was merged in HMDA. Also, removal of a newspaper source is not correct when they stating 2011 figures. If you have any issue I said to state here, we'll discuss, than removing ref.--Vin09 (talk) 05:35, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

You said urban development authority is not the body for metropolitan area, check Visakhapatnam Ref. VUDA takes care of VMR region.--Vin09 (talk) 06:16, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Break

There's not enough context on that Rediff link. It seem's the ultimate source is Allianz Knowledge but if you search you get this page which refers to urban areas not metro areas. There's nothing wrong in some entries having older dates if that represents the best source available. Eldumpo (talk) 07:08, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: I say Mumbai population is 2011's. This ref and many others support it a population of 20 million. I didn't remove but asking you to add the best one.--Vin09 (talk) 07:17, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Please note THIS REF has Figures (in lakhs) As per Census 2011 if you add them, it easily crosses 2.5 crore mark, so the present figure easily be taken into consideration which are stated in the table as 2011 census.--Vin09 (talk) 07:21, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Suggestion - what about using the Indian entries on this list, as the basis for this article, that at least provides us with a sourced list. Would stick to around 5 Million cut-off though so it doesn't get too long. The list would have to change name to 'urban areas' though. Eldumpo (talk) 07:24, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: Please read 3rd page, it says an urban area is fundamentally different from a metropolitan area. Also, I say an urban area includes urban agglomerations, towns, cities, nagar panchayats and out growths per census 2011.--Vin09 (talk) 07:37, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

OK, but there is no sensible source for this 'metro areas list'. No reliable source seems to be listing 'Indian metro areas' so it is virtually impossible to have a sensible list, as you have to Synthesise by selecting individual sources that happen to refer to 'metro' and knowing you may not be comparing like for like. Eldumpo (talk) 07:43, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I say the wording exists, but as we came to a conclusion earlier, let's keep it short this way with available ones. Your opinion.--Vin09 (talk) 08:00, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by 'the wording exists'. Yes there are examples of use of the term 'metropolitan areas/regions' but not in any kind of structured or systematic sense. Often the same source refers interchangeably to urban area or agglomeration. In the absence of a sourced list, any entry must have a clear (reliable) source referring to 'metropolitan area'. I'm not convinced all entries can currently say this i.e. Delhi/NCR. Eldumpo (talk) 14:50, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2017

I have to add Vijayawada Metropolitan region in this article 12.181.41.10 (talk) 19:57, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:40, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Vijayawada, Guntur, Tenali and Mangalagiri were merged to form Andhra Pradesh Capotal Region. No need of a subset region and also the former authority of VGTMUDA was dissolved.--Vin09 (talk) 03:13, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Adding Lucknow Metropolitan Region in the list

Lucknow Metropolitan is one of the largest metropolitan region and must be present in the list having population about 4588455 and area 2528 sq Km in year 2011 Saurabh226020 (talk) 03:27, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia's page Lucknow Urban Population is about 6500000 as presented in 'The Largest Cities' Saurabh226020 (talk) 03:29, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@Saurabh226020: The 6,500,000 figure for Lucknow urban population in List of largest cities wasn't supported by its reference, so I removed it. What's your source for your metro pop of 4588455? Batternut (talk) 09:21, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I found the 4588455 figure - it is the population of Lucknow District, which seems not to be considered as the either the urban or the metropolitan area of the city. Batternut (talk) 15:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

National Capital Region (NCR)

The National Capital Region is not a "metropolitan area". I don't believe any governor has declared it as such, pursuant to the 1992 act mentioned in the lead.

It seems wrong to include it in this list. Batternut (talk) 14:08, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Delhi NCT is the core city. Its an inter state agglomeration. Check this.--Vin09 (talk) 09:36, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

NCT is indeed urban, but the NCR is just partly urban. The page you linked doesn't say NCR is an agglomeration, just a planning region. Batternut (talk) 09:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

A metropolitan area covers all sorts of things, no need it to be fully urban. It n number of census towns, outgrowths (rural to urban tranformation areas), towns, cities (including core city) and also other agglomeration. Please check this link.--Vin09 (talk) 02:36, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

@Vin09: Good link! Did you read it? The very first line says

"It has been more than two decades that the National Capital Regional Plan  was  formulated  for  decentralizing  economic  activities  from  National Capital  Territory  of  Delhi  to  Delhi Metropolitan  Area  (now  called  CNCR)  and other  towns  of  NCR."

So the NCR contains the Delhi Metropolitan Area, *and other towns*. The DMA, now called the Central National Capital Region (CNCR), is what should be listed in this article. Batternut (talk) 12:51, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh yeah. I once quoted this text, but not concentrating on the article made me think wrong. Your statement was right. Please check if any more adjustments needs to be made.--Vin09 (talk) 06:53, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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@Eldumpo: Earlier we had discussion on this page regarding the existence of page. I've gone through census 2011 and its definitions thoroughly, which do not have metropolitan area concept. They only list urban agglomeration and its constituents. Can this page be made only to list the planning authorities and their city names? Your opinion.--Vin09 (talk) 04:11, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Vin09: If you agree that Indian 'metropolitan areas' are not being tracked and listed in reliable sources then I would suggest this page is redirected to List of million-plus urban agglomerations in India. If there are reliable independent sources listing the planning authorities of India that should be presented at a suitably named new article. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 21:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Upon searching, I found that there are eight X type cities for central government HRA at Classification_of_Indian_cities#Current_classification. These are mostly recognised as metropolitan areas, though as per census the core cities are 53 per population. New users and IPs are adding urban development authorities and assuming them as metropolitan authorities. I support merging which you proposed, as the article was started with an intention of populous cities at the very first revision.--Vin09 (talk) 03:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

It was at this revision it slowly got transformed into the present state.--Vin09 (talk) 03:48, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I will redirect this page to the UA page, and have a look at that page to see if it needs work. Eldumpo (talk) 08:38, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

That page is absolutely fine and official.--Vin09 (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

New section

@Eldumpo: Earlier we had discussion on this page regarding the existence of page. I've gone through census 2011 and its definitions thoroughly, which do not have metropolitan area concept. They only list urban agglomeration and its constituents. Can this page be made only to list the planning authorities and their city names? Your opinion.--Vin09 (talk) 04:11, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Vin09: If you agree that Indian 'metropolitan areas' are not being tracked and listed in reliable sources then I would suggest this page is redirected to List of million-plus urban agglomerations in India. If there are reliable independent sources listing the planning authorities of India that should be presented at a suitably named new article. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 21:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Upon searching, I found that there are eight X type cities for central government HRA at Classification_of_Indian_cities#Current_classification. These are mostly recognised as metropolitan areas, though as per census the core cities are 53 per population. New users and IPs are adding urban development authorities and assuming them as metropolitan authorities. I support merging which you proposed, as the article was started with an intention of populous cities at the very first revision.--Vin09 (talk) 03:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

It was at this revision it slowly got transformed into the present state.--Vin09 (talk) 03:48, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I will redirect this page to the UA page, and have a look at that page to see if it needs work. Eldumpo (talk) 08:38, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

That page is absolutely fine and official.--Vin09 (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

New section

@Eldumpo: Earlier we had discussion on this page regarding the existence of page. I've gone through census 2011 and its definitions thoroughly, which do not have metropolitan area concept. They only list urban agglomeration and its constituents. Can this page be made only to list the planning authorities and their city names? Your opinion.--Vin09 (talk) 04:11, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Vin09: If you agree that Indian 'metropolitan areas' are not being tracked and listed in reliable sources then I would suggest this page is redirected to List of million-plus urban agglomerations in India. If there are reliable independent sources listing the planning authorities of India that should be presented at a suitably named new article. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 21:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Upon searching, I found that there are eight X type cities for central government HRA at Classification_of_Indian_cities#Current_classification. These are mostly recognised as metropolitan areas, though as per census the core cities are 53 per population. New users and IPs are adding urban development authorities and assuming them as metropolitan authorities. I support merging which you proposed, as the article was started with an intention of populous cities at the very first revision.--Vin09 (talk) 03:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

It was at this revision it slowly got transformed into the present state.--Vin09 (talk) 03:48, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I will redirect this page to the UA page, and have a look at that page to see if it needs work. Eldumpo (talk) 08:38, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

That page is absolutely fine and official.--Vin09 (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2017

Kalyan919 (talk) 09:10, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Visakhapatnam is Metropolitan are with a population of over 2 million and an area of 5,573 sq. km. Please add this area in the list of Metropolitan areas.

2. Edit Request: Please edit the first Item in the list. Replace NCR, Delhi (which is not a metropolitan city, hence not eligible to be in that list) with NCT Delhi. If needed, Add Ghaziabad, Noida, Gurugram & Faridabad.

"1. NCT Delhi NCT Delhi 1,483 16,788"

More details on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visakhapatnam

Not done: Listing cities is not the point of this list. Izno (talk) 15:36, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Adding Andhra Pradesh Capital Region to the list

Andhra Pradesh Capital Region is a Metropolitan region which serves AP's capital Amaravati. Can I add it to the list?-IM3847 (talk) 13:59, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Add Visakhapatnam Metropolitan Region to the list?

I wonder if Visakhapatnam Metropolitan Region has been "specified by the Governor by public notification", as required by the 1992 Act, and can be considered a metropolitan area ...? Batternut (talk) 23:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Indiaonlinepages.com figures

Are Indiaonlinepages.com's estimated population figures OK for use in this article? Eg, Bangalore 12,339,447. Please discuss at WP:RSN#Indiaonlinepages.com derived population figures. Batternut (talk) 09:21, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Should the table have images?

Do we think images (as seen in this version) are an improvement to the article?

If not placed in the table, perhaps they might be added some other way to the article, eg inline, or gallery? Batternut (talk) 22:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2018

I see that the Metropolitan area "Andhra Pradesh Capital Region" is missing in this wikipedia page. So please update the page with the details as mentioned in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh_Capital_Region Sasank.samudrala (talk) 13:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Ill be happy to do this, but could you please provide a reliable source to reference your edit? Best, L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:15, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Variation of years of population of each cities.....

Why the population of each cities vary on the year record. Is it to overrate the some cities...... Ring rem (talk) 15:14, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2018

As per the links below. Ahmedabad Metro Region should be place at sixth position. Vishakhpatnam should be moved to 7th. Also where is the source verifying the Vishakhpatnam Metro Region population. If source cannot be verified then Vishakhpatnam should be removed.

http://pibmumbai.gov.in/scripts/detail.asp?releaseId=E2011IS3 https://www.census2011.co.in/census/metropolitan/275-ahmedabad.html Ucwork21 (talk) 18:56, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Where Ucwork21 writes Vishakhpatnam three times, they mean Visakhapatnam. --77.173.90.33 (talk) 16:31, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

I think this has been fixed now with wrong default values for some of the entries. Iggy (Swan) 18:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2019

Please also add Ahmadabad as an metropolitan since it is also lies in this category 203.187.255.186 (talk) 12:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 21:41, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2019

the metro population of kolkata 14 million approx is on 2011 census not 2001. Please change this immediately. please do not spread wrong information 223.186.151.210 (talk) 09:06, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done It now uses 2011 census data --Trialpears (talk) 22:49, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

The metropolitan area for chennai is 8843kms² according to new CMDA expansion scheme. Please change it. Afridiac (talk) 13:19, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

The metropolitan area for chennai is 8843kms² according to new CMDA expansion scheme. Please change it. Afridiac (talk) 13:19, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Visakhapatnam Metropolitan Region

Please add Visakhapatnam Metropolitan Region in this list.Someone has removed it from the list Sai Krishna bonda (talk) 20:45, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Surat Metropolitan Region

Surat Municipal Corporation only was 4.5 million in 2011 which is at 8th Place after Ahmedabad and before Pune, and Metropolitan Region is at 9th Place in India having more than 6 million. Please review and correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.84.47.10 (talk) 08:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2020

In national capital region state of Rajasthan is also there along with Delhi, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh. 2409:4052:887:B5D3:3EC5:99F7:30BC:14FA (talk) 12:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2020

No. 1 in the list is written as Central National Capital Region. Central and National are same things, no need for both words. It is actually only known as National Capital Region. 2409:4071:2112:CB86:4A91:47DB:1B7E:10AF (talk) 14:52, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Thats the official name, looked up several references Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 14:59, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: For now Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 15:05, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

NCR's States/UTs

NCR- National Capital Region is mentioned as Central National Capital Region and in the states/UTs field, only three are mentioned, namely, Delhi, Haryana, and Uttar Pradesh. Rajasthan also must be mentioned. 2 districts of Rajasthan are part of the NCR. Akashghosal0704 (talk) 14:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2021

Wikipedia should add Lucknow city too in this list Jvthefirst (talk) 11:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Lucknow should be in This list too Jvthefirst (talk) 12:00, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:02, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2021

2402:8100:3879:3A22:ECD5:3ABE:E72A:6A44 (talk) 02:44, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Add indore also in this list

 Not done. See WP:WTAF. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:08, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Should this have been removed?

An entry was removed from this list with the edit summary "fixed typo" – (diff). I am inclined to believe that it shouldn't have been removed, but I just want to check here. Regards, DesertPipeline (talk) 09:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Untitled

Why is Ahmedabad not even included here? Its population is more than Pune!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.70.125.15 (talk) 15:30, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2021

Madurai is the third largest city in Tamil nadu and it should on 16th of the list of metropolitan cities in India. Madurai is considered to be the third largest city in Tamilnadu

3	Madurai	  1,462,420
4	Tiruchirappalli		1,021,717

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Tamil_Nadu_by_population Noonefact (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done – updated count for Madurai, sorted list. TGHL ↗ 🍁 20:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2021

Please change population of Visakhapatnam in 2021 from 6,000,000 to 2,358,412. Source: https://www.indiaonlinepages.com/population/visakhapatnam-population.html https://nriol.com/india-statistics/biggest-cities-india.asp

Please change population of Kanpur in 2021 from 5,873,588 to 30,11,693. Source: https://www.susana.org/en/knowledge-hub/resources-and-publications/library/details/3967 https://www.indiaonlinepages.com/population/most-populated-cities-in-india.html https://nriol.com/india-statistics/biggest-cities-india.asp

Please change population of Surat in 2021 from 4,466,826 to 7,567,538. Source: https://www.indiaonlinepages.com/population/surat-population.html https://www.suratmunicipal.gov.in/TheCity/City/Stml13 Vishu2103 (talk) 07:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done : @Vishu2103: Cannot add estimated population.Dhaneesh 💙 Ram 09:06, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2021

Visakhapatnam Vishu2103 (talk) 10:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

@Vishu2103: Already exists in list. Dhaneesh 💙 Ram 14:01, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2021 (2)

Surat Metropolitan Region Vishu2103 (talk) 10:07, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

@Vishu2103: Already exists in list. Dhaneesh 💙 Ram 14:02, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Indore

Indore is also declared as metropolitan area kindly add indore in the below list 2402:8100:3856:5384:5A2:80A0:7C3C:D302 (talk) 08:08, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Indore declared as metropolitan area

Indore also declared metropolitan area exceeds population 4 million kindly add indore 2402:8100:3865:FDED:1501:463F:406E:BE08 (talk) 05:39, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Indore metropolitan area

Add indore metropolitan in list Robertbuggati (talk) 11:39, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2022

Andhra Pradesh Capital Region has population of 58 lakhs and Total area is 8603 Kms^2. I know it s not present capital but still it is a Region. Please edit this. Thankq

source:-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh_Capital_Region Aajaraja (talk) 13:15, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done. The numerical information was incorrectly listed in the table under Kanpur, so I updated the entries for both Kanpur and Andhra Pradesh Capital Region. Thanks, Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Add nashik metropolitan region

Nasik is also metropolitan region now as far Maharashtra governmenthttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashik_Metropolitan_Region_Development_Authority 2409:4042:199:48C6:0:0:C49:30A0 (talk) 11:10, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Nashik Metropolitan region

Nashik Metropolitan Region is region around city of Naashik. kindly add this to the list.Nashik Metropolitan Region — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4042:2681:1A42:81B3:50B3:257E:80E5 (talk) 12:13, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

lucknow metropolitan region

why lucknow is not added in metropolitan region 103.199.123.46 (talk) 16:11, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Lucknow metropolitan region

lucknow metropolitan region is one of top 10 regions in India,you should add lucknow in the list 103.199.123.46 (talk) 16:13, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Lucknow Metropolitan Area

why lucknow is not added in metropolitan region, lucknow is 11 biggest metropolitan region in India 103.57.85.52 (talk) 10:45, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

@103.57.85.52 103.57.85.52 (talk) 10:45, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2022

157.49.251.26 (talk) 10:40, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Chennai metropolitan area expansion to 5,904 km2 so the expand area population 15,900,000 (approx.)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:38, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2023

The area and population of National Capital Region is wrong. The correct area is 55,083 sq. kms(21267.67 sq miles) and population is 46,069,000

Source: https://ncrpb.nic.in/ncrconstituent.html, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Capital_Region_(India) WikiInfoProvider123 (talk) 06:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done Tollens (talk) 06:54, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah - missed population. Working on it now. Tollens (talk) 06:57, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done - for real this time. Tollens (talk) 07:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2023

157.49.233.95 (talk) 09:50, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Bangalore metropolitan area is 8,005 km2 (3,091 sq mi)

Chennai metropolitan area is 5,904 km2 (2,280 sq mi) expansion 2022 expended area population is 15,900,000 (approx.)

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chennai_metropolitan_area

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangalore_Metropolitan_Region_Development_Authority — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.49.233.95 (talk) 09:58, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EpicPupper (talk) 22:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Gorakhpur is declared as the metropolitan city in 2021 by state government, why is it not added to the list here?

The state government has declared Gorakhpur, as a metropolis on 22 November 2021. This is citied on a wikipage as well as under demographics, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorakhpur. Are there any parameters to be met before it can be added ? Thanks 139.71.200.15 (talk) 14:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

list not completed in 2024

Please move this to a draft as this list is not complete or Add new cities or reorganize it.

The list of metropolitan cities in this list is not exhaustive and there are many new ones to be added India's new metro cities are now more available in proportion to population According to the main qualification of this list, cities like Kochi Kozhikode from Kerala qualify for it.

Cities from Kerala qualify for this list : Kochi, Kozhikode, Thrissur, Malappuram and Thiruvananthapuram ~~ --Owner of magical cat 🐈 (talk) 12:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

The article as of now lists the top x cities in descending order of population as per the last official census or other official sources available if there had been an expansion post the same. The list is not exhaustive and that is not a valid reason for deletion of the article itself. If there are other cities which are indeed classified as metropolitan cities, you are welcome to contribute provided that proper official sources are provided (or use 2011 population if no official source is available from a later date) and that all the cities across India are covered in the descending order of population as listed in the official census data available. It is technically incorrect and misleading to add select cities from a particular state to a ranked list. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 09:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Add Ghaziabad, Agra, Prayagraj in this List

Hi Guys, we can add Ghaziabad, Agra, Prayagraj cities in this for Metropolitan city, please check the article. https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/noida-news/up-govt-notifies-ghaziabad-agra-prayagraj-as-metropolitan-areas-101669487064373.html NitishMDG (talk) 12:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)