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    • I think it's time to remove this to-do list since most of the issues have been addressed. --Gunt50 (talk) 15:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Recent source on country[edit]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/sunday-magazine/naomi-watts-i-know-who-i-am/story-e6frf039-1226200039425 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.29.97 (talk) 11:31, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Her sensibility remains very Aussie, her best friends are from here (“I’d say 95 per cent of them are Australian”), and she wants her sons, four-year-old Alexander (Sasha to his mum and dad) and Samuel (known as Kai), who turns three next month, to grow up aware of the country their mum considers home.

Mistake[edit]

The Painted Veil was a collaboration between Chinese and American film makers, not 'an American Japanese drama' as the article states. The sentence is a little confusing as the movie is concerned with British and Chinese relations in China. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.167.107 (talk) 13:28, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

It has been addressed. Thanks. --Artoasis (talk) 05:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Under the listings of her filmography the movie Ellie Parker is listed under 2000 and 2005. It should be under 2005. I do not know how to delete something in that format without living a blank spot.Mylittlezach (talk) 01:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The 2000 film was a short film and the 2005 was a full length film, so the two entries are correct. Lugnuts And the horse 07:15, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

"Partner" or husband?[edit]

Isn't she married? If so, her spouse should be listed as "spouse" or "husband" rather than simply "partner" as in the current InfoBox. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 06:11, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

She's not married. You can check the PL section for details.--Gunt50 (talk) 14:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

The "d.2005" in the infobox for "partner" confuses me. Normally (in my experience) the "d." indicates death. What is it here? "Dated"? I wonder if there is a clearer way to express the idea, maybe by dropping the "d." completely. -Phoenixrod (talk) 06:48, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

No responses, even during a GA review? -Phoenixrod (talk) 04:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Naomi Watts/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer:Dr. Blofeld 17:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Will post gradually over the next 24 hours.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Lead
  • Can you add the dates in brackets that she appeared in Home and Away and the other two series?
Done.--GDuwenTell me! 19:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Can you mention the directors of her most critically acclaimed films like Mullholland Drive and 21 Grams and the other leading actor. E.g.
  • "Watts gained critical acclaim following her work in David Lynch's 2001 psychological thriller Mulholland Drive, starring alongside Justin Theroux and Laura Harring.
Done.--GDuwenTell me! 19:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Early life

This section is very good and thorough but..

  • "Watts' mother relocated the family several times around Wales and England, in most cases to be near a new boyfriend. Peter Watts left Pink Floyd in 1974, he and Edwards were later reconciled." Sources please.
The sentence is sourced by the citation that sources Peter Watts' overdose.--GDuwenTell me! 19:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Return To Eden - Wikilink.
Done.--GDuwenTell me! 19:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Career
Early work, 1986–2000
  • The coverage here is very poor indeed. imagine I'm a reader who wants to know what she did before becoming a Hollywood star. You've almost completely ignored the 1990s! I'd expect a solid coverage of the 1986-2000 even though she was not acclaimed then. Not even a mention of Home and Away and her character and the other Aussie series. This needs to be expanded about three-fold in my view with adequate coverage of her television work but above all this need a much better coverage of her 90s films. They may have been B movies and not important roles but you should still cover more of her films and the sorts of roles that she played.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:44, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I've added the info I could find about early roles and mentioned her appearance in Home and Away. What you think now? --Gunt50 (talk) 01:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Much better, I also filled in some gaps, that's fine now.

"Her financial situation led her to take a job out of the film industry" What was this? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:07, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I tried to find out what was her job, but I don't seem to find nothing other than the statement of the source.--GDuwenTell me! 17:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
That's OK.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
2001–2004
  • I want to see more information about her actual roles and film background throughout this entire section like you've done in later sections. |Especially for the critically acclaimed films. I want to see things like in 2001, Watts starred alongside xxx in xxx's critically acclaimed thriller xxx, portraying a xxx. Or Watts plays the character of xxx, a woman who is xxx.
Done.--GDuwenTell me! 21:29, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Filmography
  • Please ensure that every role listed on imdb is presented here including the television series. You might consider splitting into a separate article if it gets too long.
I completed the filmography with the missing roles on TV movies, series, etc. Now it's complete.--GDuwenTell me! 17:10, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    Missing an adequate coverage of 1986-2000
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

The sections from 2005 - end look fine and seem to contain an adequate coverage with appropriate reviews and material. Naturally I would like to see more book sources used in this article but it is not essential for this to pass GA. Should you ever consider taking this to FA at a late date I strongly encourage you to try to improve its resoursecfulness by researching through materual for possible material. I am prepared to pass this article on condition that the 1986-2000 era is greatly improved and matches the quality and coverage of the later sections. You don't have to cover every single film in detail but as a biography I would expected you to give a fair coverage of all parts of her career, even though she was not a major star then. At present there is undue weight on her success. I want to see at least five films/TV series from this period covered and I also want to know what character she played in Home and Away as I can't remember her and I watched Home and Away from around 1988! I am putting this on hold for a few days until the 1986-2000 period is considerably expanded.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:04, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Nice work, both! Lugnuts (talk) 13:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

We now have pass. Congratulations. But if you decide to develop this into a FA please look in google books to see if you can improve it!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Watts is Australian and British, what's with the conflict?[edit]

See her interview with Sunrise. She claims to be both British AND Australian. When asked where she considers home, she says "Australia". It's coming from her own mouth, so leave it. She's British and she's Australian. Her mother lives in Australia, she considers it home, etc. etc. 101.103.0.98 (talk) 04:25, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

She claims to only use a British passport, and no sources have been supplied that support her ever obtaining Australian citizenship. Please supply a third-party citation that supports such citizenship. I can say I'm a Loonie from the Moon, but that doesn't make it so. If she's a British citizen and no sources say she has changed her citizenship, she remains British. Yworo (talk) 04:27, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
It does not necessarily refer to citizenship, though. Quoting WP:OPENPARA: "the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident". She could very well be described as English-Australian as per that. Nymf hideliho! 21:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Really. And I thought "country" was singular, not plural. And even if multiple countries were indicated, there would still need to be citation of documentation supporting either "citizen" or "permanent resident" of Australia, the latter being a legal term, and not equivalent to "lived there a long time". Yworo (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
heh. These comical debates over 'nationality' or 'citizenship' are so typical of wikipedia. I guess that's what happens when you allow the lowest common denominator to dominate. I note that in the reference cited as support for Watts' Englishness she is quoted as saying she is both Ozzie and British (no mention of English). But, laughably, that seems not enough for some wikipedians who are demanding citation of documents, although just what I'm not sure. Really, don't you guys think that you might be taking yourselves a little bit too seriously here? As another editor has pointed out, the guidelines also refer to permanent residency, which Watts no doubt holds, or is entitled to even if she were not a citizen of Oz. But, we are so full of our own self importance that we feel entitled to go against the public utterances of the very subject of this wikipedia article then so be it. Theodore D (talk) 00:02, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

She was born in England, had an English father and lived in England for most of the first thirteen years of her life. By many (most?) objective standards she can be regarded as English, even if she chooses to self-identify as something else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.172.31.70 (talk) 01:04, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Comment I think describing Watts as British-Australian misrepresents the facts. She carries a British passport so fundamentally she is British. I have no objection to including further context i.e. mentioning that she grew up in Australia/being a resident of the United States, but her relationship with those countries needs to be contextualised. When you say someone is British/Australian/American etc that implies the person's nationality to the reader, and there is no evidence she is anything other than a UK national. It would only be acceptable to describe her as British-Australian if she had dual nationality. As for describing her as English (which implies she is a British national so is technically true) I think this would confuse the matter in this particular case since she her cultural identification does not completely match her nationality. Betty Logan (talk) 14:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
    WP:OPENPARA actually says "permanent resident" as well, which she obviously is in Australia. Nymf (talk) 14:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I think I'd probably mirror what Betty Logan says: stick to the known facts and report as they are. She carries a British passport and lives in Australia, and that is what we should also say. If she clearly comes out one way or the other, then we can tweak, but if no clear, simple and obvious singluar answer is there, then avoid the issue (and drama) and stick to the basic facts. - SchroCat (talk) 15:10, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
WP:OPENPARA says that a person's permament residence can be mentioned, it does not say we should actively mislead readers while doing it though. Saying someone is "Australian" does not imply they are a permanent resident of Australia, it implies they are an Australian national. "Watts is a British actress who lives in Australia" is consistent with the guideline, while "Watts is a British-Australian actress" lends itself to misinterpretation. Betty Logan (talk) 15:12, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

She has both British and Australian nationality. Most people who do only carry one passport. He passport doesn't mean she's exclusively British. 110.149.193.153 (talk) 07:50, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

IP, This is an active discussion to reach a consensus about the wording used: do not edit war to your preferred version before that consensus has been reached. - SchroCat (talk) 07:55, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I've requested page protection while the IP editor pushes their POV. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 11:07, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Nationality is a legal concept. We can validate she is British because she was born in England and carries a British passport. To be an Australian national she would have needed to have obtained citizenship, and there is no mention of this. According to this interview she lived in England until she was 14, then lived in Australia for ten years before moving to the United States where she now lives. Australia is basically just some country she lived in for a short period in her life. She has lived in the United States for 20 years—twice as long as her residence in Australia—but no-one is clamoring to call her American. Betty Logan (talk) 13:33, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I assume the fact that she had an Australian grandmother, and holds significant ties to the country (she stated "when people ask where is home, I say Australia"), has a lot to do with it Betty. Ashton 29 (talk) 02:01, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Which is all irrelevant as far as recording somebody's nationality goes. Australian nationality is enshrined in law and it is not determined by self-identification or ties to the country. WP:OPENPARA stipulates that we should record the subject's citizenship/nationality or permanent residency if applicable. Now, as a British passport holder then she is obviously a British citizen, and having lived in the United States for the last twenty years then neither she is a permanent resident of Australia. If there is factual evidence that she has obtained Australian citizenship or that she qualifies as national under Australian law then by all means update the lede with the appropriate sources. Betty Logan (talk) 03:37, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
"I assume..." No WP:OR, please. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 10:55, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • I have added a new source to the lead that clarifies Watts' relationship with the three countries. In it she states she only has a British passport and lives in the United States, so I propose altering the lead to "[ ... ] is a British expatriot actress resident in the United States" to be consistent with MOS:BLPLEAD, which states that the opening paragraph should include the "country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident". We can factually establish all the details now i.e. she is a British citizen that lives in the United States. It is not necessary to mention Australia at all in the opening sentence since she is not an Australian national, she doesn't live there any more and out of the three countries she spent the shortest time there. What she says to placate her Aussie fanbase is irrelevant since this is an encyclopedia and the article should just stick to the facts. Betty Logan (talk) 07:30, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
I think it's significant that she started her acting career in Australia. Australian nationality law isn't that simple, and when Watts arrived there, Australian citizens were legally still British subjects as well. Many British people did not take out Australian citizenship. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott apparently did not claim Australian citizenship until his 20s.--Jack Upland (talk) 05:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Of course it is significant, that is why the article covers it. But what makes her more Australian than American for instance? She lived in Australia for about seven years, and now lives in the United States where she has spent over half her life. Moreover, she didn't become notable until she relocated to the US. The article covers her time in Australia, but it's a bit of stretch to take a 47-year-old actress who was born in another country, retained her citizenship, and only lived in Australia for a few years before permanently relocating to another country and say she is Australian. This is not like Russell Crowe who also moved to Australia fairly young, resides there and has actively sought citizenship. Betty Logan (talk) 09:15, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
In other words, if she was unsuccessful she would be an Australian actress.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
If she were unsuccessful she would probably be living on benefits in England. Betty Logan (talk) 11:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Golden Globes 2014[edit]

Headline: "Aussie green and gold! Naomi Watts dazzles in metallic while Margot Robbie teams her plunging white with emerald accessories as actresses attend Golden Globes"

A bunch of other pictures from the Hollywood event. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:58, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Drive-by [citation needed] tagging[edit]

What do others think of this edit? It screams of WP:POINT to be (based on the other edits done on this article recently by the same user). I think most of the "unsourced" info in the lead is cited elsewhere (per WP:LEADCITE). Betty Logan and Dr. Blofeld pinged as contributors (esp. Dr B for getting it to GA in the first place). Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:11, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, does indeed seem pointy!! And the lead doesn't need sourcing.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll have a quick look through it. The lede shouldn't be tagged of course if it doesn't include any unique or contentious claims not already covered in the main body. Betty Logan (talk) 18:25, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks both. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:14, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

DOB[edit]

An IP is repeatedly changing the year of Watts' birth from 1968 to 1969. I don't know on what basis this change is being made but it is i) unsourced and ii) contradicts the existing source that is used for the date in the article. If there is a legitimate confusion over her date of birth then both dates should be provided and sourced to be consistent with WP:NPOV. I have had a quick google and find no evidence of this other date, but even if there is some factual basis for it changing sourced content without updating the source is disruptive. Betty Logan (talk) 01:51, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Yep, the WP:BURDEN is with the IP address to provide a reliable source, and WP:BLPREMOVE is enough to keep reverting them until they do. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:18, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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Nationality[edit]

Ive just noticed that the top section says that she is just "English". However in the category section it says she is both "English and Australian". What should we do? Say that she is just "English"? Or "both"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.142.147 (talk) 13:23, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

The categories should come out because they are not supported by the article. She is a British citizen who has permanent residency in the United States. Betty Logan (talk) 13:27, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Okay then. Can i take them out then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.142.147 (talk) 13:46, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
The categories are supported by the article. It is quite clear that she was raised in Australia, hence the fact that this article is within the purview of Wikiproject Australia. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 17:37, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
She lived in Australia for ten years from the age of 14 so I don't accept that qualifies her as an "Australian" actress. She has lived in the United States for longer and has done her most prominent work there but we don't call her an "American" actress. Mel Gibson for example moved to Australia at a younger age and lived there for a longer duration but yet we don't have the cats on his article. I think it is reasonable for her article to be within the purview of Wikiproject Australia because she had residency for a decade and worked in Australian film for a while but I don't see how the cats are supported by the article. She is—at the end of the day—not Australian, either by citizenship or by residence. Betty Logan (talk) 23:04, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
I agree with the IP in this case in that they should all be removed. If we retain them on the basis that she was a permanent resident of Australia when she started her career we should really add the analagous American catgeories considering she has lived there the longest and the bulk of her career has been undertaken while she is a permanent resident in the US. It is a bit perverse to have her in "Australian expatriate actresses in the United States" when legally she is a British expatriate actress in the United States. Likewise it is equally perverse to have her in "Australian film producers" considering she is a British national and she has only produced while living in the US. The article is semi-protected at the moment to stop the disruption so ideally we need to resolve this before the protection expires. Betty Logan (talk) 07:20, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

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