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See also RfDs for Pedo Bear and Pedo-bear.

No Pedobear anywhere[edit]

I was redirected to 4chan, but there's no mention of Pedobear in the 4chan page! This is a problem. 24.84.198.63 (talk) 07:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I went through the history of the article. It actually grew steadily with occasional vandalisms (as normal in such a theme), into this version, which I consider the best it has got. Then it got nominated for deletion and converted into a redirect; then the redirect was nominated for deletion itself; since then there were attempts to recreate it, but since they were rather poor, the article was again redirected and then protected.
4chan doesn seem to have room for the contents of this article, but I believe the old version has the potential to become a standalone article. I'd restore it if the page wasn't protected. The image linked in that version would have to be changed to this one and an interwiki should also be added: fi:Pedobear. --Waldir talk 13:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The main 4chan article obviously isn't huge, so there's room for a brief mention. Considering this is still being redirected to 4chan, I've included a mention of Pedobear and pointed it out on the talkpage.
Peter Isotalo 13:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is a mention, but it's brief and very difficult to find. I have gone there and bolded it to make it easier for browsers to locate it. I also suggest that briefly unlock this redirect and changed it from redirecting simply to 4chan to make it direct to 4chan#.2Fb.2F because the /b/ aspect of the article is (the only place) where he is mentioned. He is more the mascot of /b/ (well one of them) than of any of the other imageboards hosted on 4chan. As such, I'm going to tag this talk page with a request so that an administrator can go about doing that if they agree. Tyciol (talk) 23:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please change from 4chan to 4chan#.2Fb.2F[edit]

{{editprotected}} Currently this is protected so I can't do it myself, but right now this edit protection isn't helping users find any information about Pedobear. I request that it be redirected to the /b/ section (4chan#.2Fb.2F) more specifically, which is the same page, but a more specific redirect to avoid the confusion users are complaining of above. Tyciol (talk) 23:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --lifebaka (talk - contribs) 23:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ack, I didn't even notice writing below, thanks for the speedy work! Tyciol (talk) 23:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hrm, so redirects to named tags don't work, they always go to the top of the page - not down to the named tag, unless you're looking at the actual redirect page - there the link works as one would expect. I presume this is a wikipedia standard or something, personally I find it annoying in many cases. 67.68.45.132 (talk) 16:58, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RfD[edit]

{{editprotected}} Please add a {{rfd}} tag to this article (per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 June 26#Pedobear → 4chan). --UsaSatsui (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 DoneKeeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It mentions that people can request unprotection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. I understand a lot of trolls like to come and change the redirect to other things, perhaps as part of a 'raid' or something, so I can understand why it is protected. If at some point in the future this has died down (people get the message that it is protected and stop coming to try and do it) it might be able to be unprotected in the future right? The reason for that is the 4chan article may change in the future and details on Pedobear may be mentioned in different sections besides /b/ or he may get his own subsection, or maybe decades from now he'll deserve his own article in which case this would need to stop being a redirect. However, considering how recent these problems are (suggested for discussion only just last month by UsaSatsui) now is probably not the time to unprotect it I guess? Perhaps in a season or so (3-6 months)? One last thing I think's relevant to mention is, despite what people have said in the midst of that recent debate, Pedobear IS currently mentioned in the 4chan article (albeit, only a single sentence). I've bolded the name to make it easier and as above have suggested we redirect more specifically to absolve this confusion. lifebaka already fixed it, lol. Tyciol (talk) 23:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{editprotected}} This is up for RFD again...can we put the template up again?

Done. --- RockMFR 14:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page restored[edit]

After the redirect got restored, I placed a {{multidel}} above for easier reference of previous discussions. Also, I still stand by my previous position described above. Adding to my argument is the fact that there are now articles in four other Wikipedias: the Finish, the French, the German and the Japanese (though the latter two are about Kumā, a closely related concept). --Waldir talk 01:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I asked Graham87 to restore the old edits since this page had been undeleted (in accordance to Wikipedia:Deletion review/Other uses#History-only undeletion) and now I recreated the article using several sources that IMO testify the topic's importance and relevance. I'm looking forward to your improvements :) Waldir talk 15:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

San Luis Obisbo police warning[edit]

The article currently reads "apparently unaware that it's a joke, the SLO Police..." Till the police release a statement to that effect, or are revealed in an interview saying that, it is false POV speculation to say that they are apparently unaware, because it is not apparent. Police may be aware of actual pedophiles using the symbol; the police may know of the joke, but also use "Freudian" profilers who warn that there is no such thing as a joke like that; or the cops might just be covering their asses thinking that "if anything like this ever happened with a pedobear costume, we would look asleep at the switch". All my suggestions here are just speculations, which is why I put them here. But they are better speculations than what the article suggests. 71.190.72.157 (talk) 01:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(I spotted this story in Slahsdot) The text was written like a Encyclopedia Dramatica article: twisting the story to make the cops look idiot so people can have a good laugh at their expense. I have rewritten to a more.... ah... a more encyclopedic tone. :P --Enric Naval (talk) 17:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pedobear at 2010 San Diego Comic Con[edit]

A Fox news affiliate in Tulsa, OK (KOKI-TV, Fox23.com) is reporting that the individual dressed as Pedobear at the San Diego Comic Con was a "registered sex offender." If this is valid, then it is evidence that pedophiles have started using the mascot. Is this true or not? Can anyone verify this info? http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Pedobear-The-New-Pedophile/jcdOrr1dzU2Pbv12JE4qZw.cspx Accessed 2010.09.14 kevyn (talk) 22:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just spoke to Abbie Alford, the reporter working on the story, and she said that the information came from the Tulsa Police Department. I'm still following up to see where this leads. kevyn (talk) 22:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The text of the online story has been changed to remove the allegation. However, the video still has it: http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?articleID=48625 kevyn (talk) 02:35, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sgt. John Adams of the Tulsa PD called me this morning, to say he was the source of the erroneous information, and he has retracted it."I did say it," said Sgt. Adams. "It was bad information, a miscommunication." Adams added, "We have the Tulsa State Fair coming up, and we wanted to let parents know about potential dangers." FOX News 23 has also added a retraction to the text story online, although the video still has the allegation. So I guess this is resolved, now. I'm writing up a story for WikiNews about the incident. kevyn (talk) 00:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, the Wikinews story is up: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Tulsa_media_erroneously_reports_San_Diego_Comic_Con_Pedobear_was_'registered_sex_offender'. kevyn (talk) 18:03, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this should be changed in the last paragraph of the article too, then? -- megA (talk) 12:57, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Significance or meaning?[edit]

As with any meme, the article should attempt to explain its significance. There is no discussion in the article currently about what Pedobear means to the people who are using it. Perhaps because no scholarly, footnote-worthy work actually knows what it means?

I have seen pedobear most often used to mock people that appear to have a proclivity for young children, particularly when posting pornography that may not meet statutory age limits. So, it seems, pedobear is actually more often used by anti-pedophiles. But, I've never seen that written up in any way that would be citeable. I hope someone else who is more of an expert on this than I am will know the proper sources and can add the information to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.110.101 (talk) 07:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's like coolface, people use it to warn others that something like the symbol is in immediate vicinity (coolface used when a troll is posting in the thread). Morbidly Obese Brad (talk) 16:05, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There's recently been some discussion on reddit about the meaning of this meme... I think the lack of any context on this page has been more or less directly harmful to people 'caught' posting a pedobear image as a joke.
A couple good comments attempting to give context:

  • "Indeed, it's actually a parody of the [1] moral panic surrounding the manufactured spectre of 'predatory pedophiles'.
The reaction of the residential director is actually quite ironic (though also sadly predicable)."
--Anon_is_a_meme
  • "No, if I make a joke about exploiting small children, that would be humor based on sexual exploitation of small children. Putting up a picture of Pedobear... well, is much more complicated. On one level it's an innocent picture of a bear. On another level it is pedophile humor. On a higher level it's a satire of a society which lives in an irrational fear of predators (and not just the pedophile variety). On a level somewhere in between its a symbol of affiliation with internet culture (primarily 4chan, but in some sense pedobear is a symbol for the entirety of internet culture).
The essential problem here, is that pedobear is a meme, and not a symbol of anything specific (the way a swastika is a symbol for Naziism). Pedobear was created spontaneously from the hivemind of 4chan, and released into the internet population in general, where he has evolved, and continues to evolve, taking on more and more nuanced meanings, or perhaps, losing meaning, becoming simply a symbol for the internet itself.
Ultimately the interpretation has to come down to context. Even the swastika is a holy symbol in many eastern religions. The context here, clearly does not indicate pedophilia, but rather is intended to entertain other college students who understand the symbol.
That explanation became way longer than I had intended. This is an interesting topic."
--Calber4
Hopefully someone can add a bit of explanation to the article, so when people quickly google "pedobear," they're not harmfully mislead into thinking this image displays support for paedophiles. I think wikipedia has a responsibility to provide accurate information about the true context, as the incomplete information currently presented directly misleads readers and exacerbates the moral panic surrounding this issue.--24.68.148.39 (talk) 17:08, 7 September 2011 (UTC) aka jwill392 on reddit[reply]

The Know-Your-Meme article is actually more accurate than this page in its current state. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pedobear#.Tmlv4F2bmtE I propose changing the top section of this article to something more similar to the "about" section of Know-your-meme. --Drunkmerlin (talk) 01:53, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unofficial pedobear game.[edit]

It's G-rated. http://www.bigfishgames.com/online-games/10670/teddy-bears-christmas/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.123.254 (talk) 11:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pedobear sells computer parts.[edit]

Pedobear appears in a newspaper ad for CP Distributor: http://artoftrolling.memebase.com/2011/03/14/ad-troll-theres-even-free-delivery/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.123.254 (talk) 04:21, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/florida/creepy-pedobear-stars-sex-offenders-ad-984357 76.22.32.86 (talk) 18:04, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I thought i was reading the Onion. Gravitoweak (talk) 22:44, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Citation needed on Catholic priest scandal?[edit]

I added a citation needed tag to the assertion that pedobear has been linked to scandals involving Catholic priests. I could find nothing of the sort in any form in my search on the web. I lightened my quick assumption of a troll and added the citation needed tag. Should this be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gnintendo (talk • contribs) 20:56, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, I'm not sure why it's even listed next to the mention of the College Humor video. The semicolon would even suggest that the two are somehow related? Poor formatting, I would also suggest splitting the two if the information is true. Gnintendo (talk) 21:01, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It would appear this is fake, unless somebody can provide some evidence of this, I plan to remove this in a week. (talk below me is an April Fool's joke..) Gnintendo (talk) 01:11, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pedobear used as part of a Roman Catholic Diocese's ad campaign[edit]

According to an article by OC Weekly, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange used Pedobear as part of an illustration promoting the diocese's children ministry services. Here's my question: Should we mention (in this article) that Pedobear appeared in that campaign? (Note: I can't edit the page since I'm too busy as of today.) By the way, the article was published on April Fools Day (and I hope that it isn't/wasn't a joke). - Ian Lopez @ 09:55, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

errant apostrophe[edit]

Please remove the apostrophe in "It lasted a few weeks before users noticed it's presence". Thanks. --77.3.166.11 (talk) 01:49, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

pedobear.org[edit]

should the external refences include a link to pedobear.org? www.pedobear.org a complete article should reference widely available and relevant sites. Patbahn (talk) 17:54, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
why not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patbahn (talk • contribs) 03:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 15 December 2011[edit]

December 2011, the City of Pierre South Dakota issued the following city wide report on the Pedobear: More images of the Pedo Bear have been found around town. The Pedo Bear is a sort of mascot for pedophiles. It is also sometimes seen in the trading of child pornography. A pedo bear image was discovered last week on the crosswalk at McKinley, taken down, but reposted this weekend. Others were found at the State Theater and Weight Watchers. Local Law Enforcement is treating the situation seriously until further notice. At the best, this is a prank of extremely poor taste. If you see this image, please do not tamper with it. Contact law enforcement at 773-7410 or 911. Thanks for your help, Richard Bauman Pierre Police Department School Resource Officer BamaBoy72 (talk) 14:07, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Added (more or less) -Ian Lopez @ 11:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dylanisthebest123 i live near pierre and im a kid :O — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.77.203.178 (talk) 13:02, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Those Heartland types go into an existential panic about the stupidest things. . . .--Michael K SmithTalk 19:29, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to point out[edit]

The suggestion in the pedobear image to use it "in an article about human anatomy or physiology" is hilarious. 87.218.126.27 (talk) 14:27, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 28 April 2012[edit]

Origin:

2channel is not a "BBS".. As the use of the Internet became more widespread in the mid to late 1990s, traditional BBSes rapidly faded in popularity. Today, Internet forums occupy much of the same social and technological space as BBSes did

Chronixxx (talk) 18:42, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Was it a BBS at the time the source character was introduced though? (not a rhetorical question, wondering if you know) If its your position that it was not at the time, then I'll remove it as its unsourced, but I want to clarify first. Monty845 05:12, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New link.[edit]

pedobear.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.38.11.8 (talk) 05:49, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Origin[edit]

File:クマ──！！( The Kuma---!! ).svg
クマ──！！ 2000

The bear character originates from the popular bulletin board system (BBS) website 2channel in Japan, where it was introduced as クマー (Kumā), an interjection of the word 熊 (Kuma) meaning bear in Japanese. Unlike Pedobear, Kumā has no sexual connotations, pedophilic or otherwise.

An AA-Charactor of The GIKOKUMA 2000

Most old the bulletin board system (BBS) website あやしいわーるどII user mean used by "擬古熊". [擬古熊の雑学まだぁ？]

  • ＞　 　投稿者：擬古熊 　投稿日：2000/06/21(水)11時46分43秒

Most old version of AA charactors. --MOTOI Kenkichi(基 建吉) (talk) 12:54, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Commons:Deletion_requests -more informations.-MOTOI Kenkichi(基 建吉) (talk) 01:47, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

While the exact incarnation of the pedo bear may have originated with this BBS, I find it difficult to believe that the association of bears, teddy bears and pedophilia originated from the BBS. Pedophilia is ingrained in our cultural psyche and child like figures such as clowns have often been associated with pedophilia, so what is so different about a bear? A similar association of bears and pedophilia is reference several times in the Stanley Kubrick film, "The Shining" such as when the boy Danny has a teddy bear in bed with him. This bear is similar to the pedo bear. Later in the film, we see a man dressed in a bear costume appearantly engaged in homosexual oral sex. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gayshark (talk • contribs) 15:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, imagine a nude grown man next to a nude pre-pubescent boy. The man is likely to have much more body hair than the boy, making the man resemble a bear next to a human. In fact, man as a bear is a fetish theme in homosexual circles and NAMBLA, he national alliance of Man Boy Love Association.

Polish mishap[edit]

There was a bit of coverage of a Polish mishap where this bear was printed in a newspaper as a part of an article about the 2010 Winter Games. It is mentioned in our article about the newspaper Gazeta Olsztynska and on Miga, Quatchi, Sumi and Mukmuk. I think it needs to be mentioned here, and perhaps not mentioned on those other pages as its not of major significance. John Vandenberg (chat) 21:26, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Citation missing in the lead[edit]

TL;DR: The article could use {{Citation needed|date=July 2013}} for "It is a concept used to mock pedophiles or people who have an interest in minors or jailbait."
Bluntly speaking, this article's lead currently mentions three ways the pedobear image is being used: 1. to mock certain people (unsourced), 2. for grooming, and 3. as a mascot. Among the many reasons it's being used are three that I think are not covered by the aforementioned ways it's being used: 1. to break taboos, 2. to shock and possibly provoke a reaction; shock value, and 3. for the lulz. The first two are also being mentioned in the Nazi chic article: "used for taboo-breaking or shock value". For the lulz is "for the sake of personal comic enjoyment"[1], but also to pass time using something random. All of that could be added to the article, but it would just be speculation. Is the pedobear image being used to mock certain people? That too is just speculation, a citation is needed. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 17:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is why I wish Wikipedians would use in-text references more frequently. The sentence you quote was actually supported by two of the three refs following the succeeding sentence. I've repeated those refs to clarify that they support the mocking claim. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:48, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Its spreading as a sub culture & Commercialisation[edit]

Its getting quite obvious now that the Pedobear design does spread around into multiple areas of general culture. Its depcition does evolve into a bigger magnitude by computer based image & even video composition as well as by real world usage of numerous sorts. It is further getting much more wide spread due to the adoption of the theme & figure by commercial vendors such as textile printers and costume manufacturers. Let alone puppet vendors... Probably only parts of them do know or refer to the original meaning or the second level meaning attributed to that figure.
Example: http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4629/pedobearhoodiecostumeby.jpg
What can be done to reflect that state of "art" best in this article? --Alexander.stohr (talk) 11:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2014[edit]

I think the Pedobear media section should include a reference to Pediobear, a persimmon lambic sour beer that was created by the popular blog dontdrinkbeer.com.

http://dontdrinkbeer.com/2013/02/18/label-for-the-persimmon-lambic-homebrew-is-done-pediobear/

http://dontdrinkbeer.com/2013/04/14/pediobear-all-labeled-and-waxed-up-ready-to-be-shipped-to-streakershaters/

https://untappd.com/b/dontdrinkbeer-pediobear/361382

Ted47451 (talk) 19:21, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done No evidence that this beer is notable. OhNoitsJamie Talk 02:44, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2014[edit]

Request to change link on the bigfish report to https://web.archive.org/web/20130611230247/http://forums.bigfishgames.com/posts/list/136006.page 80.98.76.12 (talk) 12:07, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done Cannolis (talk) 12:27, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Spurdo redirection[edit]

"Spurdo Spärde", born as a Pedobear parody, redirects here, even though it has become something else on its own and that the article makes no mention of this parody — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.210.218.206 (talk) 16:45, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Paedo-bear song[edit]

I'm pretty sure this has earlier antecedents, at college in the late 1980s we used to have a drinking song, "I know a bear that you don't know" in which one verse was that Yogi Bear's relationship with Boo-Boo, made him a paedo-bear. The verses were pretty well developed at the time so I believe that the song predated my encounter with it by some time. Has anyone else encountered the song or better still has citations with regards its exixtence?--08:38, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

CP Distributor ad[edit]

Would be worth adding that one of the owners of the company is himself a convicted child sex offender.[1]

Tylerjohnson99 (talk) 10:07, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  10:19, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/florida/creepy-pedobear-stars-sex-offenders-ad-984357

Reply from |FrankFrankUltimate, 18 September 2023

LOL

They must have been serious about the name. FrankFrankUltimate (talk) 03:20, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2016[edit]

Here is link to orginal game that was uploaded to bigfishgames.com http://www.fastswf.com/8qG2Kl0 Maybe someone wants to play it :)

89.71.209.66 (talk) 16:08, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. Spam link. Don't think you have consensus either — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 05:58, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Protected Edit Request[edit]

The article states: 

"In Tulsa, Oklahoma, Sgt. John Adams of the Tulsa Police Department Child Exploitation Unit falsely told local television stations KOKI-TV and KOTV that the person wearing the costume was a registered sex offender, a claim which was later retracted."

Should be changed to: "n Tulsa, Oklahoma, Sgt. John Adams of the Tulsa Police Department Child Exploitation Unit falsely told local television stations KOKI-TV and KOTV that the person wearing the costume was a registered sex offender". Reason for change: None of the cited references establish that the Tulsa Police Department ever actually retracted the statement, because the articles do not specifically mention who in the Tulsa Police Department actually made the retraction. Therefore, the media claim of retraction is not adequately supported to the accuracy standards required of an encyclopedia. 98.178.179.240 (talk) 18:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. The Gawker source at least specifically supports the claim of retraction. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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