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The link for mark twains patent doesn't work.

The following, very long sequence, is the correct URL to an image page of Mark Twain's patent:
The invention is called "Improvement in Adjustable and Detachable Straps for Gentlemen"; which, however, at least insofar as the illustration is a true and faithful representation of the device, far more resembles an extendible belt than any sort of trouser-braces.
Twain is referenced as Inventor under his own name Samuel L Clemens.
Nuttyskin 01:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

As for public figures that wear suspenders, well known Alabama Meteorologist James Spann of ABC33/40 in Birmingham almost always wears suspenders. It's kind of his trademark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:41, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Garter / Suspenders[edit]

Replaced the double reference to de:Strapse

because Strapse is Garters, where it is already referred to 10:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Disputed tag[edit]

This article now muddles up two meanings of garter:

  • the American word, which means suspenders in British and Commonwealth English
  • the British word, which means a band worn to keep a sock or stocking up

It is tricky to sort this out, because of the alterations made to the article on garters. I have contacted the editor who made these changes, but had no response. Can anyone sort it out easily, or do we need admin assistance to roll back the changes to both articles?--Taxwoman 12:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I really don't understand why the two articles have been merged. Safedom 14:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

How about a garters (American) and a garters (British) page? Wrad 03:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I created the pages, garter (American) redirects to suspenders. It may take awhile to fix the links to the new British page.Wrad 03:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay there is a garter (British) page for the stocking holder, and a suspender page for the pants holder. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if this totally clears up the confusion, although it does create a needed separation. Any ideas for lessening the confusion more? Wrad 05:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

In England, 'suspenders' are, or were, a band (usually elasticated) worn around the calf with a clip hanging down to hold up a sock - worn by men. A 'suspender belt' was worn around the waist / hips by a woman to hold up silk or nylon stockings. Long woollen socks, worn by males with shorts (whether old-fashioned schoolboys, footballers or as Australian formal wear) were termed stockings and held up by a garter as a band around the leg just underneath the knee, usually in plain grey or black elastic although more decorative garters could be used by women to hold their stockings up. too. The dividing line seems to be between things that hold trousers up (belts, braces, baling twine ...) and things that hold hosiery up (but, then, where is the vital distinction between tights, footless tights, leggings and trousers ? Simon Crome 27 January 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:20, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Deleted Content[edit]

I deleted the info on Garters because they should really have their own article, as Garters have little to no relation to Braces-User:Booksbooksbooks

The link to the German page isn't accurate. The german translation for braces (as suspenders for trousers) is Hosenträger in German, not Strumpfbande.

Elasticized? Who says?[edit]

I realize that most, if not all, suspenders made or worn these days are elastic in some part, but is this truly a necessary characteristic? I'm no expert (or even student; this is purely logic, hence my careful steps) but would think that, for most of their history, suspenders involved adjustable fabric -- via clips, pins, etc. -- instead of elastic to achieve the proper fit. Anyone object to my change? Czrisher 17:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Elasticity is definitely not an essential or necessary characterisitic of suspenders/braces. I wear braces every day, and none of them are elasticized. Mine are silk with leather tabs. Also, some braces are made out of leather, and they definitely are not elasticized. I'm going to remove the word from the article. (talk) 11:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't we have a more modern picture of braces on this page??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I find the fact that there is now a photo of Larry King on this page hilarious. Nobody remove that. Sofar 2 (talk) 09:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Differing terminology[edit]

See Talk:Garter (stockings)#British English. Opera hat (talk) 15:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


The present illustration is particularly distressing to the British idea of what to wear. Not only are the braces fake (clip-ons masquerading as proper button-on braces), but the trousers have belt-loops (why, if you're wearing braces?) and the shirt not only has a pocket on the front but has a button-down collar as well. Can't somebody find a more suitable picture, please? Opera hat (talk) 00:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

The shirt has button cuffs, too, but I suppose that is a matter for personal preference rather than a full-blown sartorial gaffe as with the points mentioned above. Opera hat (talk) 00:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Do you know the expression "belt and suspenders"? It means to take extra care, perhaps too much care. --Una Smith (talk) 22:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody outside of Britain really care about "the British idea of what to wear?" Doubtful. (talk) 00:21, 5 January 2010 (UTC)



What about these Bavarian braces, worn on Lederhosen and also on other traditional clothing? --Una Smith (talk) 22:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Check out the package on that guy! -- (talk) 07:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


I found the article nearly consumed by multiple and lengthy portions of pure advertisement, primarily by two companies. I have reverted the article to remove this vandalism. The article should be watched in the future to ensure this does not happen again. (talk) 04:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't help but think, is this an Albert Thurston advertisement? I see nothing wrong with including references if the company does, indeed, have a long history in manufacturing suspenders, but the puffery and extremely subjective language along with the awkward insertions don't even pretend to belong in an objective article. I can't imagine a skilled PR professional would bumble through like that, but I digress. I'm new and not entirely sure how to revert changes, etc., but are there editors more skilled who might address that? Alanus mercator (talk) 20:42, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
I realize this is from a while ago, and probably no-one will read this, but I think he's referring to this, which talks about "Sal Herman" and his "No-slip suspender clip". — Preceding unsigned comment added by UserJDalek (talkcontribs) 02:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


Sounds like this was written by someone who really, really wants the world to think that suspenders are still in style. Can someone make it a little less suspender-fanboyish? (talk) 00:20, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

types of suspenders: Y and ?[edit]

Came looking for the names of the different types of suspenders. But have done the res myself The Y type has 2 straps at the front that join together on the mid back and then a SINGLE STRAP GOES DOWN FROM THE JOIN TO THE (damn caps lock) waistband.

The X type has two straps on the waistband both fron and rear, and join on the back.

4 clip and 3 clip are other names for the 2 sorts. (talk) 04:47, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Ridiculous TV section[edit]

There is way too much written about TV shows in the "Fashion" section. While some pop cultural references may be appropriate, the section is more focused on television, than actual contemporary or historical fashion. In fact, the section is especially niche "fandom" style shows, which are extremely unlikely to drive trends due to the lower cultural cache of their viewers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:59F:F6C4:1D7F:28:DFA2:B85D (talk) 04:47, 13 November 2016 (UTC)