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- 1 German Name
- 2 Romanian Name
- 3 Beltane link
- 4 Cultural Links
- 5 Title of article?
- 6 surprise - no Worker's holiday mention
- 7 References in Modern Culture section
- 8 A very quick canonization?
- 9 American and Modern Satanism (Church of Satan)
- 10 Hexennacht song by Eichenschild
- 11 Trivia/References in modern culture getting out of hand
- 12 possible error in "Origins" section
- 13 Hitler and LaVey
- 14 Vappu
- 15 The Golden Bough
- 16 English??
- 17 Connection to medieval tradition
- 18 The Dutch???
- 19 Bulgarian name
- 20 Wouldn't hurt to mention Saint Walpurga was English, no?
The traditional name may be Walpurgisnacht, but nobody calls it that way in Germany. It is usually referred to as "Tanz in den Mai" (Dance into May). Many Germans celebrate it by going to dances or by making large bonfires and drinking ;-). May 1st is a public holiday (Maifeiertag, like labor day). (I was born in Germany and have lived in different parts of Germany) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 07:46, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
I am german and I disagree: in North and East-Germany Walpurgis-Night is a common non-christian event! Lots of people celebrate it as a neo-pagan-romanticism!--22.214.171.124 (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone have the Romanian name for Walpurgis Night? --Ryttu3k 12:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Should this link to Beltane? The page there suggests they are related (or indeed, the same).
- I think not. The Walpurgis Night bonfires have their roots in the 18th century when they were used to scare off predators, before releasing cattle on to the pastures. Also, in the southern parts of Sweden fires are lit earlier, around Easter. -- Mic
- I feel that the celebrations in Northern Europe of traditional holidays such as Walpurgis or Midsummer (holiday) are quite different from what is described elsewhere. I'm especially concerned with the neopagan connotations and in the case of Midsummer I found it necessary to disambiguate into two separate articles. This far I see that kind of development more likely than integration. However, there might very well be connections between Viking, Finnic, Baltic, Germanic and Celtic pagan traditions in pre-christian times. -- Mic 23:21 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that I didn't see your response sooner. :> The cutoms refered to under the Walpurgis headline in Beltane, are traditionally observed on other holidays. The reference is probably inappropriate unless there is some kind of source to back it up. -- Mic 06:04 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
The author of the popular Harry Potter series, JK Rowling, used this celebration from German folklore to derive an alternate name for a group of dark wizards in the novels, known as “death eaters” (i.e. Walpurgis Knights)
A small note; I believe there was an episode of Lexx from the first season entitled Walpurgisnacht. I don't recall much more than that, but perhaps someone with a clearer memory should include it under References in Popular Culture?
-- It's hard to see why this article makes no mention of Mendelssohn's work "The first Walpurgis Night" [which is, I think, "Die Erste Walpurgisnacht" in the original). I am not competent to add the appropriate comments, but ... perhaps someone else is?
-- In due course I can provide Midi/Noteworthy Music Files of the Work - which should also be referenced in ChoralWiki (for some reason it seems to be totally ignored there under Mendelssohn!).
126.96.36.199 11:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC) MusicJohn, 8/Jun/06
Title of article?
Why is this page at "Walpurgis Night"? I would expect it to be at "Walpurgisnacht". If it is more common in English to translate, "Night" shouldn't be capitalized. Jkelly 03:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
- The current online version of EB (in the article "Walburga, Saint") uses a capitalized "Night": "On Walpurgis Night—the eve of May 1, the day on which her relics were taken to Eichstätt—witches are believed to rendezvous in the Harz mountains." up◦land 03:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Jkelly 22:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
- And, Walpurgis Night is celebrated in Sweden too, so I don't think it's a good idea to just use the german name for it.--188.8.131.52 00:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
surprise - no Worker's holiday mention
Surprise this article do not mention any thik about the relation between te workers´ holiday of the firts may and the Walpurgis nigth. Always they are, at least, two dimention for the things one is the formal thrut tath every body knows The exoteric truth. The other is the dark side . The esoteric Truth The satanism maniobrate to obtained their Holiday on the firts of may. The day in with the witches meet in their mountain. They obtain his holiday in disguise of the Reds Parties. Iluminati, my friends, Iluminati Best regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
References in Modern Culture section
Some of the items currently in R.M.C. may better fit in a "Trivia" section - including one I am about to add. I thought about adding a "Trivia" section but I did not, primarily because I thought it would be a bit presumptuous on my part. Tzittnan 16:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
A very quick canonization?
I could not find a date for St Walborgs canonization, but I seriously doubt it happened the year she died. (the quickest canonization is still something like over 20 years after the persons death)
The best source I could easily find says she is said to have been canonized by Pope Adrian II. (867-872)
- Canonized 870 by Adrian II, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Walpurga
- Chosig (talk) 17:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
American and Modern Satanism (Church of Satan)
I feel there should be a more overt reference (see another section) to LaVeyian(sp?) Satanism, as it is one of their few holidays. --Shdwwarlord (Sept. 12, 07. 1:44 a.m.)
- Me, too. adding now as no objections were made to your suggestion. Shamanchill (talk) 04:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Hexennacht song by Eichenschild
In music, there's also a song by the folk/rock band Eichenschild titled Hexennacht from their album Mondscheinlegenden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 06:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Trivia/References in modern culture getting out of hand
This section is huge! I sorted it into categories to better focus the kind of trivia that's there, and deleted some very trivial points. However, a lot of the trivia just says Walpurgis Night is the name of a song/play/book etc without saying how that title is related to the content of the work. In other words, there's no context.
Comments and suggestions on how we can improve this? Would simply putting it into paragraph form be a good start? That might allow some further sorting by book/film/music genre. Thanks for you input, from your fellow editor Martinship (talk) 03:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
possible error in "Origins" section
Hi. I believe there may be an error in the first line in the second paragraph of the section entitled "Origins" in the article entitled "Walpurgis Night". It states there that Saint Walpurga was born in 710. It then states that she was, according to legend, the daughter of the Saxon prince St. Richard. However, the "Saint Richard" link takes you to an article about Saint Richard of Chichester and that article states that he lived 1197-1253. How could Walurga be mistaken for his daughter? I don't know if it's an error in the article but it is a little confusing. I'm hoping someone who knows can clear it up.
I believe I see the problem. The "St. Richard" link goes to the wrong St. Richard. Looking at Wikipedia's disambiguation page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Richard_%28disambiguation%29) I see "Richard the King (Richard the Saxon)". Unfortunately, clicking on it reveals that Wikipedia currently has no article on Richard the Saxon. I haven't learned to adjust links yet, but I'll try to figure it out. In the meantime, if someone knows how, perhaps they can do it.
I also found the following page about Richard the Saxon in a google search: http://leitourgeia.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/st-richard-of-wessex/
Hitler and LaVey
I have removed the section connecting Hitler to Satanism due to anachronism. LaVeyan Satanism, the only reference for Walpurgisnacht having any importance to Satanism, was invented twenty five years after Hitler committed suicide. Wikipedia is a place of encyclopaedic and scholarly knowledge, let's save the conspiracy theories for the black helicopter sites shall we? It is enough to mention that Hitler committed suicide on the day I see no reason to speculate it's because he was "communing with the forces of darkness", especially when those "forces of darkness" (i.e. Satan and associated acts) don't exist for most religions in the world. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, but I don't think that the fact that various Satanic sects observe Walpurgisnacht as a holiday should be omitted, either. Shamanchill (talk) 04:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with removing the Satanist reference connecting Hitler to it. A more appropriate mention would be his membership in the occult mystical Thule Society. Changing now. Shamanchill (talk) 05:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- The way it is written still implies Hitler was connected to Satanism, which there is no evidence of. --22.214.171.124 (talk) 10:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed, but the source is a hard (and fairly poor) quote to work with. No offense to whoever made the addition, but an author commenting on another commentator, and on TV, nonetheless? Too many layers of "credibility". I gave up trying to rework it and will look for another source shortly. I don't think that the paragraph is worth deleting entirely, because of Hitler's links to Thule, which would certainly have recognized Walpurgisnacht. Shamanchill (talk) 14:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- I recommend removing all mention of the History Channel documentary, 'cause I do not believe it passes muster as a reliable source, all mention of any (tenuous) connection between Satanism and Nazism, and, perhaps, all of the Satanism stuff altogether. I recommend the latter because the sources provided are not all that elucidating. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 16:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree, Walpurgisnacht is an "official" holiday in the Satanic calendar, therefore should be mentioned. SImply becuase some people may not agree with the tennets of Satanism, does not mean it should be ommited from here --Grindlyth (talk) 18:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Surely the issue is not so much that people disagree with the tenets of Satanism, so much as the question of whether Satanism is a sufficiently important phenomenon that it does not violate due weight issues to mention it in this article. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:07, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I've seen the History Channel documentary Hitler and the Occult more than once. HC is a legitimate resource. Hitler's suicide on April 30 and his command to have his body burned was no 'coincidence' - There Are No Coincidences (there is synchronism). Hitler believed in reincarnation and saw committing suicide and having his body burned on Walpurgisnacht as a vehicle to control his next reincarnation. This is an important fact and should be listed in the article. - Brad Watson, Miami 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:42, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- The Histiry Channel is NOT a legitimate source
The current page includes that statement "April 30th was the date of Adolf Hitler's suicide, and much has been made of this fact by those researchers seeking to investigate links between Nazism and the occult, such as Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke," which, at the very least, needs a citation. I'm familiar with Goodrick-Clarke's book The Occult Roots of Nazism and this appears to be a misrepresentation of his position, which is that Hitler himself was very skeptical of occult claims, although he was influenced by others who took them seriously. The "researchers" more likely to support the position as stated would be Peter Levenda and Trevor Ravenscroft, who are not historians (like Goodrick-Clarke) but occultists. Popegrutch (talk) 20:53, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
As Vappu approaches, I look forward to getting drunk with the rest of Helsinki on the night of the 30th. However, this article makes no mention of the fact that in Finland, the big party is the night of April 30th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 14:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
The Golden Bough
From the article: "The current festival is in most countries celebrating it named after Saint Walpurga, born in Devon about 710."
- I think I have managed to parse it. "In most countries that celebrate the current festival, the current festival is named after Saint Walpurga, born in Devon about 710." I don't know if it's true, though. JIP | Talk 18:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
In Sweden its NOT a public holiday. May 1 is a public holiday but that has nothing to do with Valborg (walpurgis night). In Uppsala, schools are closed because of the local festivities celebrating spring, but its not a public holiday. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 17:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Connection to medieval tradition
I can trace the setting of a witches' sabbath on May Eve to 1603 (Johannes Coler). The connection with generic "witchcraft literature" of the Witch trials in the Early Modern period is evident. It is easy to find descriptions of Witches' Sabbaths from the 15th and 16th centuries. But so far I cannot trace where these witches' sabbaths were first placed on May Eve. I assume this element was present from at least the 16th, if not the 15th century, but so far I cannot pinpoint a reference. --dab (𒁳) 13:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I managed to grow up in the Netherlands and live there for 30 years without ever observing anyone celebrating this holiday. The nonsense you find on wikipedia... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 08:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
This is celebrated in Bulgaria as well on 1st of May the name is Erminday, Eremia ( Ирминден) 1. On this day people set lot of big fire and jump over it. In part of the country this is against gales but mainly is against snakes, dragons and lizards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Wouldn't hurt to mention Saint Walpurga was English, no?
Not the first time I have come across the 'lessening' of historical English associations with Germany. Seems a taboo amongst certain elites. What a creepy article so far.
"Walpurgis Night is the English translation of Walpurgisnacht, one of the German names for the night of 30 April, so called because it is the eve of the feast day of Saint Walpurga, an 8th-century abbess in Germania" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 08:31, 22 October 2015 (UTC)