User talk:Dekimasu

こんにちは。I try to accept criticism of my edits and responsibility for my comments, and I believe that all editing disputes can be resolved amicably. Feel free to express your opinion or ask for my help. I will get back to you as soon as possible, but please be aware that I am only semi-active on Wikipedia. I have an archive of older topics from this page. It can be accessed here.

Empire Builder RM

Just a note to say that I fully agree with your closure of the RM. The creation of the disambig page solved the problem. Mjroots (talk) 12:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. It makes things much easier to have the person who proposed the move agree. Dekimasuよ! 01:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Disambig finding tool

Hi, We've had a request to allow AWB to use your tool for list building purposes. Is it possible for you to provide an API/xml output for the results. A parameter like &format=xml or similar would be great.

Thanks!

—Reedy 18:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it's not my tool.... I wish it was, but it looks like bd2412 misinterpreted one of my messages at WT:DPL. The person you want to talk to is User:JaGa. I'll let him know there's a message for him here. Dekimasuよ! 01:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, Dekimasu. I'm getting in touch with Reedy now. --JaGa^talk 04:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Bleach (manga)

WP:NALBUMS is in regard to album articles, not their mention in other articles, nor does it really cover serial type works. If it were a ordinary soundtrack, its mention would be fine, however as it is part of a series, just as with the manga volumes and DVD releases, we generally stayed that "As of X, Y have been released" without saying "and Z will be released in a month". The only time we generally note future release dates is in an actual table/list rather than summary prose. Your changing the MoS like this reads a bit snarky and was an inappropriate change. If you disagreed with the removal, a discussion on the article talk page would have been a much more appropriate place to voice this. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

If there is a precedent established through discussion, as you indicated, then please point me to that discussion. I understand the intended scope of WP:NALBUMS; you cited WP:CRYSTAL, which is just as (in)applicable. If there is no such discussion, but this is just your general feeling, then your reversion reads a bit as an ownership issue. I had already re-edited the manual of style in accordance with our discussion before reading your note here. There is nothing inappropriate with editing a guideline, especially to clarify a point upon which you are agreeing with the person who reverted you. Dekimasuよ! 02:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Again, stop messing up the MoS. You are making an incorrect statement without even knowing anything about the issue, and we do NOT change a MoS without actual consensus to make such an addition, period. As for the discussion, I honestly don't remember where it occurred, though it was recent and should be in the archives. Again, if you think its appropriate, take it up on the article talk page rather than turning around and deciding that I'm either owning the article (which I don't) or that the MoS must have a misstatement added. I've explained the reasoning to you. Again, if you disagree, take it to the Bleach talk page rather than doing actions that appear disruptive or backlashing over an article which you seem to have no actual interest in, which makes me wonder why you are even this perturbed over it...if/when the album is released, the article will be updated accordingly (and properly I might add). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I have not done anything disruptive. I disputed your removal of sourced information from an article, and upon being told that your removal was due to established practice, I attempted to clarify one of our style manuals. For what it's worth, I have participated in extensive discussions to help standardize the Bleach-related articles and to improve the Japanese manual of style. These discussions were not recent, so I took your response as an indication of something that should be noted, but was not. Once again, if there was a discussion on the issue, then I don't understand how an addition to the manual of style can be a misstatement. There either is consensus for the addition, or there isn't, in which case it doesn't make sense to have removed the sourced information from Bleach (manga). Dekimasuよ! 03:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

You didn't clarify the style manual, you inserted an incorrect and incomplete statement without any discussion or consensus at the MoS page to make a change. Not all established practices are included in the MoS, as it isn't a legal document. Again, if you strongly feel that noting the next volume is coming in March instead of doing the update in March when its really released, take the issue to to the article talk page for discussion and consensus among its editor. The "sourced" material is not particular important either way, it was badly written, and it was not from an official source or even a commonly accepted retailer site.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

While it's true that not all established practices are included in the style manuals, it is reasonable for them to include clarifications of issues when it is clear that they have resulted in past misunderstandings. Please indicate what was incorrect. The talk page of the MOS is likely a better venue. Dekimasuよ! 03:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Requesting 5 articles

I notice that you are listed on: Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles.

I am requesting 6 articles which were deleted then redirected to be userfied, :):

• Energy and American Society to User:ikip/Energy and American Society
• Anaconda 4: Trail of Blood to User:ikip/Anaconda 4: Trail of Blood
• Tajik Wikipedia to User:ikip/Tajik Wikipedia
• Rudy Tabootie to User:ikip/Rudy Tabootie
• Craniac to User:ikip/Craniac
• James Wharton to User:ikip/James Wharton

From: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 November 15

Can you please move all 6 pages to my userspace, with the history intact (I am interested in who created the article, and when).

I really appreciate it. You are probably wondering why I ask. Well, I have spent my weekend on a graph found here: User:Ikip/AfD on average day. I am interested in what type of user gets their page deleted, etc....November 15 is just a day pulled out of a hat by another user.

Thanks :) Ikip (talk) 01:37, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

It seems like you were already helped out on this except for the one instance of a deletion with BLP issues, and I agree that we can't userfy that one for you. Dekimasuよ! 02:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Here is 5 more, the last 5. Interested? Ikip (talk) 02:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I can't handle it at the moment, so you can probably find someone else who will get to it faster. I'll try to get back to it tonight if you're still in need of help. Dekimasuよ! 02:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for response. Ikip (talk) 02:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to pop in, but just wanted to note that Anaconda 4 was not deleted then redirected, it was just renamed because the film was renamed. It was kept in an AfD discussion before the rename and the article is still there. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank Collectionian, I tried to find it. I will look at it closer. Ikip (talk) 03:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages with links

It seems that several of the pages you put under "Done" still have many incoming links, especially the ones you did on Feb.3. See for instance Special:WhatLinksHere/Clerval. Can you have a look? Perhaps some of these should be moved back to To Do. Thanks for your work, --KarlFrei (talk) 10:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

The links themselves are fixed, and it's rather the Whatlinkshere page that's not recognizing the changes. In the example you noted, you can look at any of the individual pages and see that there are no links to "Clerval" on them; for example, take Le Puy, Doubs. I edited the template at the bottom of the article so that the link that was to "Clerval" now links to Clerval, Doubs. That's the only mention of "Clerval" at the Le Puy page. However, the link isn't being dropped from Whatlinkshere. This appears to be a known issue and I've heard that it might have something to do with the job queue. Here's one mention of it: WT:DPL#Template changes slow to propagate?

Since the links themselves no longer require disambiguation, I think leaving the pages in the "Done" section is appropriate. Some of the links are getting handled over time. I have watched "Vanini", for example, drop by more than half since I fixed the template that was causing the link buildup. Dekimasuよ! 16:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation! I am new at this game and did not know how it worked. --KarlFrei (talk) 16:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Titling of Spanish language artworks

Dear Dekimasu,

I saw what you wrote in Tú y yo article history. It's not an unique case, but I think it deserves special attention for all the articles involved.

According to Spanish Royal Academy's Orthography rules, only the first element goes with initial upper case in every artistical work (book, musical piece, magazine, film, song, etc.)

"[Se escriben con inicial mayúscula las palabras siguientes:]

4.17. La primera palabra del título de cualquier obra de creación (libros, películas, cuadros, esculturas, piezas musicales, programas de radio o televisión, etc.); el resto de las palabras que lo componen, salvo que se trate de nombres propios, deben escribirse con minúscula: Últimas tardes con Teresa, La vida es sueño, La lección de anatomía, El galo moribundo, Las cuatro estaciones, Las mañanas de la radio, Informe semanal. En el caso de los títulos abreviados con que se conocen comúnmente determinados textos literarios, el artículo que los acompaña debe escribirse con minúscula: el Quijote, el Lazarillo, la Celestina." (See "mayúsculas" in Royal Spanish Academy's Panhispanic Dictionary of Doubts).

I also commented it on the Wikipedia Music Project talk page, twice, but never and nobody has given me an answer. I think, although artists may not be aware of the official spelling rules, in an encyclopedia we must keep them in the correct form.

Regards, --El Mexicano (talk) 20:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll suggest once again that, if you want to move articles based on foreign capitalization rules, you fill out a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Moving to change the capitalization is not necessarily a cut-and-dried case, because the rules of Wikipedia and the rules of Spanish may be different. It will be best to consult with other editors there. In the future, rather than listing a redirect for immediate deletion under article criteria, you can ask admins to take care of this kind of move for you there. Dekimasuよ! 00:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I think that a Wikipedia rule should not overwrite the official spelling rules of any foreign language. Obviously, if a title is in a foreign language, you must write it according to the rules of that language and not according to either the English or the Wikipedia rules. Regards, --El Mexicano (talk) 17:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

My point is just that the English Wikipedia works according to the rules of the English Wikipedia, which are decided upon by a consensus of editors--i.e., everyone. Standardization is an important part of the editing process. If you want to change the way something works, on the other hand, you're perfectly welcome to start a discussion and solicit opinions. That's why I've encouraged you to make a listing at Wikipedia:Requested moves. I turned down your request for speedy deletion because I'm not willing to make a unilateral decision in this case. "Tokyo" is spelled "東京" in Japanese, but we don't write it that way on the English Wikipedia. There may be a reason for this as well. Dekimasuよ! 00:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I passed it also to the Requested Moves page. The problem is that users are not supposed to understand that if a title (or any word or phrase or sentence) is not in English, you cannot apply English rules for that. You also know very well that I'm not talking about Japanese, Chinese or Arabic, obviously they are languages that use completely different writing systems, and it's evident that for the transcription of these languages you will use a conventional English rule. But Spanish is a language that uses the Latin alphabet, so there should not be a problem with writing Spanish titles or words as they should be written in that language. I tell you another example. The word "reconstruction" is spelled újjáépítés in Hungarian, my language. Then you wont write it as e.g. ouyaeypeetaish in English, right? That's the point. --El Mexicano (talk) 19:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, there are lots of arguments about whether or not to use diacritics on the English Wikipedia. One of the main criticisms is that most English speakers (and English Wikipedia encyclopedia users) don't know what sounds are made by í or đ or č. I don't always fall on one side or the other in those arguments, but if English usage differs from native usage—as evidenced by independent sources—we tend to follow English usage. It's a WP:V issue in that we ask for verifiability, not truth. "Tokyo" yields a pronunciation in English that would be wrong in Japanese, but we go with the established spelling (and established, if incorrect, pronunciation) here. The question with the title you mentioned is whether or not it has "become" English by virtue of widespread use in a particular form. Dekimasuよ! 03:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I think that "most English speakers don't know what sounds are made by í or č" is also not an excuse for not trying to write a foreign language title correctly. They are two independent things. Certainly, an English speaker may not know how to pronounce a foreign word correctly. But it does not mean that it could be written wrongly. :) (Btw: I've heard a native Japanese pronouncing the word Tokyo and it sounded like ['tokio:].) --El Mexicano (talk) 07:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's "kʲo", not "kio". But I don't know the IPA very well. Dekimasuよ! 09:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

PS: If we've talked about collaboration and suggestions, now you can see why I'm not supposed to collaborate in this Wikipedia. Because every time I come here to make a suggestion, nobody listens to me and nobody agrees with me, they're just telling their selfish points of view. Regards, --El Mexicano (talk) 07:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

You are telling them it has to be that way because the Academy says so, but as I explained above, the title will be based upon English usage. Rather than trying to convince them to listen to the Academy, you should try to show them places it is capitalized that way--for example, on English websites. Dekimasuよ! 09:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

But it has no sense to talk about "English usage" when there is no English usage, since it's a Spanish phrase! --El Mexicano (talk) 13:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm presenting you with a practical solution to your problem, not arguing with you ideologically. Dekimasuよ! 23:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

B&G Oysters

Hi, Dekimasu, I had my post deleted for what was called "blatant advertisement," which was not my intention at all. How can I change it to a legitimate wikipedia entry? What can I include and what should I omit? Thanks! Rebecca —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebes74 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello Rebecca. First, I've userfied the page that you had deleted, so you can now find it at User:Rebes74/B&G Oysters and work on it there before moving it back to the normal title. Second, the main reason why the article was deleted as an advertisement was that it appears to be written on behalf of the restaurant, rather than to evaluate it in an unbiased mannner. You'll want to remove the working hours and probably the address, since Wikipedia is not a directory. I understand that it has received awards, and that's a good step on the way towards showing that the restaurant is notable, but the remainder of the article also praises the restaurant or appears to represent personal opinion. For example, you wrote "classics clam-shack favorites", "showcasing her culinary education", and "a large part of B&G's appeal is...." Value judgments are only appropriate things for an article if you can present reliable sources showing that people have actually said those things. Finally, on the whole, you have presented sources, but they aren't generally sources that tell us all the things written in the article. I can't find anything from the sources noting that the restaurant has "18 glossy black barstools" or that "Cat Silirie has worked with Lynch for over 20 years". Let me know if you would like more help. Dekimasuよ! 03:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Chris Gardiner

Hi, I thought your speedy deletion of the page was uncalled for. We don't have a policy when it comes to curling articles, and since I am the main contributor when it comes to curling, I've sort of come up with guidelines when it comes to notability. The curler in question is a member of the World Curling Tour, which I would definitely ascertain as a top level in the sport, however it's not really a significant accomplishment per se. Going to the provincial championship certainly is, considering curling's popularity in Canada. I would liken Gardiner as an equivalent to perhaps an lower NHL player, in terms of significance for the sport. I hope this has helped. -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Queens_College&action=history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.52.21.50 (talk • contribs)

I've left a comment at Talk:Queens College and another at WT:DAB, although my only edit to the page was a long time ago. Dekimasuよ! 00:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to say thanks for your help with this too. I responded to your comment on Talk:Queens College, and had I known about WT:DAB I would have gone there before this became a problem. Hewinsj (talk) 15:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Article deletion

You recently deleted the article Methionylglutaminylarginyl...serine citing G4 as the reason. The deletion logs show only your deletion and none about a listing on AFD or a discussion for deletion. Is it possible that this was deleted in error? If not can you put up the deletion log?--Ted-m (talk) 00:23, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

The older version used a slightly shorter version of the name, so the deletion discussion is located at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Methionylglutaminyl...serine. The editor who noticed the duplication and tagged it for deletion was User:Angelo Piccio. I apologize for not recognizing at the time that the deletion discussion was in a different place. Dekimasuよ! 00:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Lini simmons

hmm... well, I was going by http://www.google.com/search?q=Lini+Simmons&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official which gives 0 results related to the subject. However, you are correct that it's not an obvious hoax (I read what it said incorrectly). My apologies for deleting it. Thingg^⊕⊗ 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

addendum: I thought it said she won some championship, which couldn't possibly be true if she had no hits. Thingg^⊕⊗ 04:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Volendam Windmill

Hi, it's pretty obvious to me, considering the notices and warning on the creators talk page, that this is a non-notable advertisement of a business. I have no issues with the decline of the speedy but have now put it up for a prod deletion instead. Thanks fr33kman -s- 05:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

This looks like the correct progression of events for the article. The editor made a good-faith effort to take out anything that sounded like advertising before I reviewed the speedy. If he removes the prod tag, an AfD discussion seems appropriate. Dekimasuよ! 05:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, I'll keep an eye out for it. Cheers fr33kman -s- 05:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Tokugawa Ieyasu

Hi Dekimasu. Now I'm interested in your name. Dekimasu sounds "Yes we can!".

Aside from this, look revision history of Tokugawa Ieyasu, the article was vandalised countless times by multiple unknown IPs. Please semi-protect Tokugawa Ieyasu.--Bukubku (talk) 08:27, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

There is some vandalism, but there's not such a high volume, and it's not all by IP users. I'll keep an eye on the page and protect it if it becomes necessary. Dekimasuよ! 03:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks...

... for catching my mistake. I tagged a few redirects for speedy deletion. Due to the non-Latin characters the author used they looked like no context / vandalism to me. The titles were rendered as "???" on my screen. I'm glad you figured out what was really happening and that you removed my tags.    SIS  22:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Amur

Concerning the Amur (disambiguation) page, no issues with what you did, except the writer, as many users look for people by their last name. speednat (talk) 07:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Crown of thorns

Yes, well done! Johnbod (talk) 04:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

South Korean and South Korean (disambiguation)

Hey, I noticed you created/restored the redirect from South Korean to South Korea, and placed the dablink on South Korea. I'm just wondering if you could clarify the rationale for that? Personally I don't really care one way or the other, but some people have been warring over it (removing the dablink from South Korea, and having South Korean be a disambiguation page) with the rationale that that is how other such pages work (like North Korean, Chinese, British, and what have you)...would it be better to do that, or was there a good reason for setting it up the way it is now?

Thanks, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Whereas something like "Italian" is often used to refer to citizenship (which would imply a link to Italy), ethnicity (which would imply a link to Italian people), and language, the phrases "North Korean" and "South Korean" terms aren't generally used to denote ethnic groups or languages, so there isn't such ambiguity. I think they are right that North Korean and South Korean should work the same way. I'll try the same with a redirect to North Korea and see if there are any complaints.

A large number of the edits that transformed redirects to the countries into dab pages were done by the same one or two editors, once, in October and November last year. It doesn't seem that they took actual ambiguity into account. Where there isn't ambiguity due to the mixing of citizenship and ethnicity and language, I have been changing those back. In terms of the other, rarer usages, the "Demographics of..." and "Culture of..." articles are linked in relevant sections of the main country articles, so linking to the parent doesn't seem inappropriate.

Hope this helps, and let me know if it doesn't or there is someone else I should talk to about the change. Dekimasuよ! 06:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I agree with that reasoning—my intuition was that "South Korea" should go to "South Korean" since it doesn't denote an ethnic group/etc. like "Chinese" does. I was just confused because of the inconsistency with other articles, but it looks like you've got that under control now. Thanks, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 06:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Question about a post at journal.mycom.co.jp

I'm trying to figure out if this http://journal.mycom.co.jp/column/ebook/077/ is a personal blog or if it is a review of The Manzai Comics from a respected publication. I can't tell who wrote the article and/or if he/she is a staff member of the website. Do you know if this website is a reviewer or if its something else? WhisperToMe (talk) 07:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

The link is blocked from my current connection, so I can't look at it for you at the moment. I did already go through with the speedy delete of the page, though, because it was previously deleted through Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Manzai Comics. I understand that most of the objections there were to sourcing, but you might want to contact the closing admin or even go to DRV instead of just putting up a new copy--someone will find it and tag it again, even if it's a substantially different version of the article. I removed the speedy tag from Atsuko Asano (writer), since I know that she's a notable writer, but you might want to start out with more cites there instead... not everyone reads Japanese novels. Dekimasuよ! 07:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I might contact the closing admin. Then again G4 says "A copy, by any title, of a page deleted via a deletion discussion, provided the copy is substantially identical to the deleted version and that any changes in the recreated page do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted." - So if there is sourcing (which would address the reason why the article was deleted), the article by principle should survive. Also I found a Yomiuri Shimbun article about Asano and her book, so that should help. Collectionian placed a notability tag on Asano's article; do you think I should find still more sources or is it okay to remove the notability tag? WhisperToMe (talk) 07:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I added one from Mainichi Shimbun and removed the tag. Dekimasuよ! 07:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :) WhisperToMe (talk) 08:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

At Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan#Is_this_a_column_from_a_respected_publication.2C_or_is_this_a_personal_blog.3F Mantokun looked at that link, and he says it is from "MYCOM Journal" of Mainichi Communications, which is an established company. He can't tell if the writer, On Ichii was a staff or a freelance. But if Mycom published it, would this make it an RS? Would this help satisfy the requirement for notability? WhisperToMe (talk) 13:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Like Mantokun says, the site is mostly a news portal run by Maicomi, in much the same vein as Yahoo!, but it isn't clear whether the writer was part of the staff or freelance. I have a connection at that company and I tried asking her, but she didn't know either. Maicomi does a little bit of everything, and their divisions were too far apart. At any rate, I would consider it as reliable as something pulled from Yahoo! that wasn't a Reuters or AP article. Dekimasuよ! 02:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Slam Dunk Award

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Slakr's Slam Dunk Award For maintaining awesome cool, being completely professional, showing excellent judgment, and basically scoring a slam dunk (in my eyes) while dealing with a hot-tempered user on User talk:Amyseekuif, I hereby award you your very own slam dunk. Use it wisely. Don't waste it on schoolyard pickup games: save it for that game-winning, send-'em-packing moment. :P Heh, anyway, keep up the great work, and cheers =) --slakr\ talk / 12:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Sets

Well, the situation was rectified on the same day with no harm done, so it's really not that big of a deal at this point. As for the questions, I do not think they are at all combative. I am happy to answer any questions regarding WP:RUSSIA's activities—they are a part of the collaborative process, so there is no need to apologize. I will post a reply to WT:DPL later today. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:11, February 27, 2009 (UTC)
P.S. Feel free to borrow the blimp :) It is still in mint condition.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:11, February 27, 2009 (UTC)

Template:Melakarta ragas

Kindly explain your edits to this template a little further, so that I can understand the basis for the "de-link" of names of chakras from the articles. Thanks. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 16:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

As an example, take the first link, Indu. Someone looking at the template and clicking on Indu would arrive at a disambiguation page, where they would be asked to choose the article they wanted to look at. They would then choose "Indu chakra", which is a link to Melakarta#Table of Melakarta ragas. If you arrive at that page, however, it gives you the same information you already had in the template: a list of the ragas in the Indu chakra.

The link to the Melakarta page is also already included through the link to Melakarta at the top of the template. If you really want to link people to Melakarta#Table of Melakarta ragas from things like "Indu", though, it would be all right to do it directly by piping the links and avoiding the disambiguation page. Adding the wikilinks led me to believe I could find more information on "Indu", etc. by clicking the links, but I don't really think that's the case here, so it was kind of frustrating for me when viewing the template. Dekimasuよ! 13:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. Yes, these should go to a specific pages on the names and not disambiguation pages. Also, pointing to the Melakarta pages may be only last option - but the names are a significant choice (or for that matter all 12 names) - what it represents in being the first, second and so on. I will try to point them to correct pages to the extent possible and only for those where we don't have appropriate article, point it to the specific section. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 13:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikiproject Sumo

I've noticed your edits on pages relating to the sport of Sumo. We encourage you to join WikiProject Sumo where we are working to expand, improve, and standardize all articles related to sumo on Wikipedia. If you would like more information on what needs to be done, please visit the project page. If you have any questions, please feel free join the discussion on our talk page

XinJeisan (talk) 21:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Ireland naming question

You are receiving this message because you have previously posted at a Ireland naming related discussion. Per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names#Back-up procedure, a procedure has been developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration, and the project is now taking statements. Before creating or replying to a statement please consider the statement process, the problems and current statements. GnevinAWB (talk) 17:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Modern Hebrew poetry

Hi Dekimasu! Unfortunately I don't have much knowledge on the subject, and don't have sources on it either. The Hebrew Wikipedia doesn't have such an article. Basically the most prominent modern Hebrew poet by far was Haim Nahman Bialik. Other major figures include Shaul Tchernihovsky, Avraham Shlonsky, Natan Alterman, Rachel (poet), Leah Goldberg, Uri Tzvi Greenberg, etc. More recent poets include Natan Yonatan and Natan Zach. I can give you a translation of the Hebrew section for modern poetry from the Hebrew poetry article if you wish, and possibly write a short stub to that effect later, although it's better if some sources are found first. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 01:20, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Translation

The modern Hebrew poetry was pioneered by Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzatto, and it was developed by the Haskalah movements, that saw poetry as the most quality genre for Hebrew writing. The first Haskalah poet, who heavily influenced the later poets, was Naphtali Hirz Wessely, at the end of the 18th Century, and after him came Shalom HaCohen, Max Letteris, Abraham Dob Bär Lebensohn, his son Micah Joseph, Judah Leib Gordon and others. The Haskalah poetry was greatly influenced by the contemporary European poetry, as well as the poetry of the previous ages, especially Biblical poetry, but was not able to make significant innovations. It was mostly a didactic form of poetry, and dealt with the world, the public, and the contemporary trends, and did not cater to the individual or the soul. In the age after the Haskalah, the prominent poets were Hovevei Zion, including for example Naftali Herz Imber, who wrote HaTikva.

The revolution of Hebrew poetry was ushered in the last decade of the 19th Century by Haim Nahman Bialik and Shaul Tchernihovsky. They let go of the genre principles that were widely accepted at their time, and began writing personal poems, about the human being and the soul. In the national revival period, many arose as the literary heirs to Bialik, in various genres. In the 1920s and 30s, the weight of the Hebrew poetry moved from Europe to the Land of Israel. Women became prominent poets (Yokheved Bat Miryam, Esther Ra'av, Rachel and others), and an expressionist genre developed (especially Uri Zvi Greenberg and David Fogel). In the 1930s and 40s, a neo-symbolic style emerged as well, in Avraham Shlonsky, then Natan Alterman, and then the Palmach age. In the 1950s, the "State of Israel age" was active and rebelled against the style of Shlonsky and Alterman, with the poets Natan Zakh, David Avidan, Yehuda Amihai and Dalya Ravikovich. Along with these, there was a line of religious poets, such as Yosef Zvi Rimon, Zelda, and the religious generation of the end of the 20th Century.

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Thanks for taking those NA's out - appreciated - SatuSuro 05:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Closure of move request

I was surprised to see you closed Talk:Little Englander#Move? as "no consensus"; my reading of the debate seems to suggest there was a reasonable consensus in favour of no move. Shouldn't the closing comment reflect this, per the recently closed Talk:Michael Van Patrick#Requested move for example? --Rogerb67 (talk) 11:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I and many of the other older participants at WP:RM only close move requests as "consensus to move" (per request, page moves) or "no consensus to move" (request fails, page stays). The question to me is whether the proposal has consensus or not. Some of the newer closers may do things differently, since there are no official rules for closing move requests except for those grounded in policy. I try to point out that this is how things have usually been done whenever I notice people talking about distinguishing between "consensus not to move" and "no consensus to move" (maybe most recently at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Proposal: be more clear about dab pages), but standardization isn't strictly necessary. Dekimasuよ! 23:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

OK fine, it just seemed strange to me to close it like that when there is a clear consensus positively choosing to keep it where it is. I suppose everyone has a different viewpoint. Cheers, --Rogerb67 (talk) 00:08, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Parents' Choice Award

As a heads up, I have restored this article. If you have kids and live in the US, you would know that this is a very high profile award. I've also added references to third-party sources to establish the notability. じゃあね～ howcheng {chat} 17:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I was mostly taking issue with the fact that products using its tag were describing it as an important award (which isn't surprising), while I couldn't find third-party sources. Dekimasuよ! 00:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)