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GA nomination procedure

Hi. When you nominate an article for GA status, please don't forget to post the {{GAnominee}} template on the article's talk page. Thanks.--Diniz (talk) 09:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Flickr photos suitable for use on Wikipedia have to be licensed under a creative commmons license, with only the attribution and share alike clauses used. Photos which are licensed as not for commercial use and from which derivatives cannot be made are not suitable, as are the many Flickr photos which are copyrighted. There's a useful key here.--Diniz (talk) 09:29, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Judging from last year, people often upload photos weeks, if not months, after the event. Don't be disenheartened!--Diniz (talk) 10:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

"Welcome" back

Please, if you have actually turned over a new leaf and aren't simply lying as you always previously did, make sure that you don't dreate more work for other people than you do yourself. Quite apart from your history of nasty, vicious, abusive behaviour, your quality of editing is significantly poorer than many. I see from the above that people are people aready having to firefight in your wake, so this does not look promising. If you really have changed then please try to improve your editing. Uploading copyright material I know you have been warned about on MANY occasions in the past. To see you contnuing to do it beggars belief in your apparant contrition. Pyrope 10:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit Summarys

Hi there. Most of the regular editors make a point of using an edit summary on every single edit we make on Wikipedia. It's very useful for the other editors and it is encouraged and advocated that all users do it. Would it be possible that you could use this too to help us out? Thank you, T. Moitie [talk] 13:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, there's a setting in my preferences that stops your edits unless you've made a summary that's quite useful. There is no real guideline on what to use, and if there was one, it'd only be a guideline. I'm working on the current article with the intent of getting it to FA status. This means that the Report section should be prose and numbers don't really look good in prose. It doesn't make much difference on an official standing. I've actually been toying with the idea of removing the "Report" heading and putting "Pre-Race", "Practice", "Qualifying" and "Race" as each of their own headings. What do you think? T. Moitie [talk] 14:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I understand if you prefer that, but there's no need to write a section on warm up because not much happens on it nor is it reported on, and the practice heralds a lot of information. There's no specific way to do it, and we aren't looking to do the exact same on every article. 2007 Canadian Grand Prix made it to GA status very easily without even splitting up the sections for qualifying. I've been thinking of that idea for this one - its silly to have a section heading for every little paragraph, and 15 minutes of racing can't really make a good paragraph. We'll see how much prose we can get from the qualifying session. T. Moitie [talk] 14:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I've had a quick look over and I think it looks good. On the 2007 British Grand Prix article it looks kind of staggered with the headers in there. Do you think they should go? T. Moitie [talk] 14:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

A suggestion

Since your standing with some editors is still on unstable ground, I would suggest that your edits for a brief time remain small. You clearly need to rebuild faith fromother editors, and making sweeping changes to pages, even if your intentions are good, can be viewed badly. Jumping into making large edits, especially when your actions are under scrutiny, is likely not the smartest choice of action right now. The359 23:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I would be grateful if you avoided removing sections on articles like you did [1] without first obtaining consensus on the article talk page. Thanks Spartaz Humbug! 11:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
You would be grateful? Eh? We at WPF1 would be much more grateful, I'd imagine. Guroadrunner 00:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the heads up on the Rico article, I forgot to put it on "watch" - I undid it and left a pretty clear note on his talkpage about it. just blanking anything without sources is above and beyond WP:BLP, a misinterpretation a new user usually wouldn't do - unless of course the name is just a front. It could also be John Barber who did similar misapplication of WP:BLP, I got my eye on the situation MPJ-DK 17:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I've seen it - I wish I knew how to get a check on it being either Burntsauce or a JB-Sock. MPJ-DK 17:06, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

GA Nominee

Usually, when an article is going to be nominated for GA, it is discussed on the talk page to see if the page is, in fact, ready to be evaluated. I did not find such a discussion on Talk:Dave Bautista. Please remember this next time so editors can make the necessary adjustments to the article to improve its chances of being accepted. Thank you. Jezebel Parks 19:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I was about to post the same thing. It is either discussed on the talk page of the article, or better yet on the talk page at WP:PW before an article is put up for a Good Article nomination. Neither The Undertaker or Dave Bautista is ready to be nominated and will both likely be failed rather quickly. The Undertaker article has been nominated before, and there has been little improvement to the article since then. Both articles merely site (with a couple of exceptions, but not many) match results. It would be better for the project if you withdrew the nominations for now, until the articles are referenced more thoroughly and completely. The Good Article reviewers already give the wrestling articles a hard enough time as it is, and nominating articles that aren't ready to be nominated only makes things worse. I hope this doesn't sound like I'm being too harsh on you, because that is not my intent. Nikki311 20:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Dave Bautista

May I remind you that using a copyrighted photograph to depict a living person is not permitted under the fair usage rules at Wikipedia. Please either familarise yourself with the policies and guidelines or refrain from adding fair use images to articles. AlexJ 22:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Please tell me this is a joke.

The article 2007 French Grand Prix, just because you added much to it, should NOT be a candidate for Good Article. As already pointed out in your two Wrestling GA nominations, you never even remotely asked anyone else's opinion on the nomination, let alone on your edits either. I cannot help but ask if you truly wonder why people like User:Pyrope were frustrated with you? Do you ever actually READ instructions on what you're supposed to do with certain actions here on Wikipedia before you actually do them, let alone anything that other users say or do or suggest or discuss before you make bold changes?

I honestly do not get it. The359 05:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Good Editing

As The359 has said on my userpage [2] nothing you have done since you have been unblocked has been inherantly wrong but I see where he is coming from about the disruption your editing can create. I think that you are a very well intentioned and enthusiastic editor but that this sometimes runs away with you. What I'd like you to start doing is using the article talk pages more - like the excellent way you use user talk pages. To a large extent your contributions are going to be closely scrutinised and any mistakes you make will be picked up on. You can avoid this by seeking consensus wherever you are intending to doing anything out of the ordinary. If you are planning any major changes to an article quickly check the talk page to see if it has been discussed. Leave notes there of what you are planning - you will be surprised how useful an extra pair of eyes can be. Please don't nominate any further articles for good or featured status without first asking on the talk page if anyone else agrees and secondly having a peer review first. I don't want this to sound anything other than there are some rough edges on your editing that we can smooth down as we go along. I have been very pleased with your output since your unblock. What you need to do is collaborate more and sometimes get agreement on the talk page first. Spartaz Humbug! 06:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Dave Bautista GA Nomination

I didn't do a full review (don't have time to take it on right now), but did briefly looked at the Bautista article, and I am certain it will quick fail the GA nomination process (which means the reviewer will likely not even read the article. First, the lead is too short and does not comply with MOS. Second, there are not enough reliable secondary sources for a GA article (it's all first hand, OWW or Third, no GA can have tags in it, such as the trivia tag found in the Bautista article (trivia sections are also a no-no). I'd ask you to either (a) quickly fix the article to GA standards or (b) rescind the nomination. - T-75|talk|contribs 15:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

2007 MAY GP

No need to apologise. I have a few more comments, I'll bring them up on the FAC page so hopefully you can get some help. Mark83 17:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


Misery is the remaining one: It's in the fourth para of Qualifying. As I say, if you Ctrl-F in either IE or Firefox you will find it very quickly. (I've tried clearing my cache so I'm pretty certain it's still there!). 4u1e 18:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Cool. 4u1e 18:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned, certainly we can. I can't remember whether you vandalised my page or not; if so it was fixed by someone else before I came across it. Frankly your previous use of copyrighted material worries me more than any personal abuse that might have been directed at me (I do find abuse of others completely unacceptable, mind). The Malaysian GP article looks like a pretty good start - I'd just advise you to be patient and careful in checking through all of the details and comments people make (Believe me I know that can be frustrating!).
The only thing I'm not very happy about is that the situation has led to Pyrope deciding he needs to leave the project, but there's probably not much you can do about that now. 4u1e 19:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Unblock IP

I've just gone from my big computer to my laptop (therefore a different IP), which I haven't used since last Monday, and therefore the IP address is still blocked:


Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Autoblock of lifted or expired.

Request handled by: Spartaz Humbug! 20:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


Hi Davnel. Would you be able to remove your "Archive1" page from Category:2007 Formula One race reports and Category:French Grand Prix? Thanks. DH85868993 08:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. DH85868993 08:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Talkpage Vandalism

MastCell has semi-protected your user-page which will prevent ip and recent accounts for editing. Hopefully that will resolve the problem. We probably can't help very much with problems at school. :-)

By the way, you are doing a great job working with people since you returned. You may not be getting it spot on every time but you are learning and being very civil. Keep it up. Spartaz Humbug! 16:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2007 French Grand Prix

The article 2007 French Grand Prix you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.png, see Talk:2007 French Grand Prix for eventual comments about the article. Well done! LordHarris 01:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


I will be away until 25 July. If you carry on as you have, you will have no problems. MastCell may be willing to help if you need admin attention but you will have to ask him. Otherwise, try ANI. Personally, I would suggest that you just go with the flow and especially make sure you don't let anything get to you. If you have school related problems, just ignore them. Best, Spartaz Humbug! 17:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


Those pages have been semi protected, just drop a note at WP:RFPP or on my talk page when your ready to have it removed. If can be of further assistance just drop me a note. Gnangarra 15:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

open ended... Gnangarra 15:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Brian Adams

Image:Adamscrush.JPG still has no fair use rationale so the article would still fail GA I'm afraid. If you can fix that then I'll have a look at the rest of the modifications you've made. All the best... The Rambling Man 17:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and failing the GA's at the moment, I don't think starting the GA process again is a big deal. The biggest problem is with putting articles on hold and nobody doing anything about it. I'm pretty judicial about whether to put things on hold or fail them, if I think there are some major issues I'll fail it, just because I'm happy to be asked to review again. I hope you and the other editors aren't taking it personally, the whole GA process is entirely democratic and quite straight forward so by all means renominate, or if that's too much, get me to do it on your behalf. All the best, The Rambling Man 17:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Image:Adamsboxingpromo.jpg is still without fair use rationale. The Rambling Man 10:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

additonal info

I have added additional information regarding your issue with the litany of factual information published regarding previous abuses (that's RonSpeak, but...) See this link. Guroadrunner 06:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


Yes. I was solely addressing the topic brought up. Guroadrunner 06:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

2004 Australian GP

OK, thanks for the tips! Happy editing! Lradrama 15:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Reference Lists

You helpme was in RC and then just disappeared. I saw your sandbox and think that you just forgot to add the {{reflist}} tag. Well I think thats what you wanted to know ;-) Mike33 - t@lk 18:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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May I ask..

How do you sign the date and time when signing anything on wiki? Also, as an aside, Smackdown's looking pretty dire lately. Can't wait for Rey to be back. Th 2005

Automated Review on FAR

Hey Davnel, can you hold off adding anymore automated review's to the FAR pages until it's been decided that it is necessary. I opened a thread on the FAR talk. Thanks. Ceoil 21:40, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

The script is quite good, was just looking at some of the posts you made. I would say, post it on the talk of the FAR articles. If you get a chance I would appreciate if you could post reviews on the talks of Triptych, May-June 1973, and Symphony No. 3 (Górecki). Thanks again. Ceoil 22:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm a bit more of a critic than Ceoil, I'm afraid. Perhaps the script is good in detecting errors, but it fails in reporting them usefully. See my comment on it at Talk:Belgium#Automated Review. Though obviously, it's a very promising tool. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 30 Jul2007 21:49 (UTC)


I've tagged the fair use rationale for Image:BenoitHouse.jpg to be reviewed. I just want to know if this picture of the scene of the crime is indeed that hard to replace, or if there's some other value in it.--Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 01:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series


I see that you have made a large number of edits to the List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series article. I appreciate your efforts but could you please start a discussion on your proposed edits on the article talk page. I also recommend that you read the Guide to layout.

Thank you. - .:Alex:. 15:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


NO ONE agreeed to that cruftastic version; it was AfD'd for additions like that a long time ago. You have no good reason to support the addition of such edits. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 16:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

How long ago the article was nominated doesn't matter; the fact remains that it was nominated because of the addition of BS like lists of their notable members and game debut; basically information that is fancruft and, by no means, needs to be added in the article. You can't give me one good reason why this information should remain in the article. It's entirely too in-universe as well: your edits make the article subject look like it was real instead of a piece of fiction. Go read the umbrella policies of WP:FICT. If you can't give me good support for your actions, I'm reverting the article. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 19:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Nope. If you would have read the essay and policies I directed you to, you would understand that, at least a little bit. Homer Simpson is an iconic character in a vastly popular telivision series; the article is very well written and is completely out-of-universe, that is, it actually refers to the article subject as fiction. The current edits in the List of Gangs page, on the other hand, are horrendously in-universe. If you can't do better than that, I'll revert the article. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 20:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks Dave. I was always worried that there would be a template with a capitalised Date parameter. Funnily enough I used to host the AutoSport (and WharCar) websites when I worked a Telewest. Rich Farmbrough 19:44 31 July 2007 (UTC).


Hi. You have been working really hard on F1 FACs, so I fell reluctant to criticise. I just feel (your welcome to disagree) that you may be rushing to FACs. You've gone to GA first which is very sensible. But perhaps after that announcing on WP:F1 that you intend to nominate the article for FAC? Or go for peer review? It's just on some of the FACs there have been very simple mistakes and you really want as little negativity on a FAC as possible. However, like I said, you've been working very hard, so well done.

Anyway, to show that I'm only trying to help I intend to make no comments on the French GP FAC and just try to help as much as I can to improve it. Mark83 00:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


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2007 French Grand Prix

Hi. That FAC ended quick! Sorry I didn't get the opportunity to improve it more. I'll still try to improve it for a future nomination. Mark83 22:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


Congrats on finding my first secret page! It was supposed to be really easy, as it's the first a series of increasingly harder to find secret pages. =) Have you looked for the second?  hmwith  talk 20:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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Canadian GP

I noticed on unsuccessfully nominated 2007 French Grand Prix. So maybe you could help me with 2007 Canadian Grand Prix which I hope to nominate soon. Buc 17:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone else pionted that out but I really couldn't find any reports of the testing. Buc 10:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Added some more about the testing. Anything you think I should do. Buc 15:46, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Brabham BT19

Thanks for your comments, and thank you for asking my views. Yes, I would always recommend trying a peer review before going for FA - although I know they're not always helpful! Probably the best thing would be to put it up for a general peer review, but also to put links to the review on the F1, Motorsport and Automobile project talk pages. Feel free to do so, if you wish. I'll keep an eye on any comments that are raised. Cheers. 4u1e 15:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Noted, thanks. One thing you can try with peer reviews (I had a good result with it once) is to peer review other articles and then ask the people who submitted those articles to review the one that you submitted. They won't all do it - and they're not obliged to - but if you provide useful peer review comments, some of them may give helpful feedback. 4u1e 15:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the concern, but that actually was me! I was signed outn, and in a hurry. Thanks though! Kris 05:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

John Cena

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Cheers for the award! But Mido has a long way to go yet.. Mattythewhite 19:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Its up for GA right now. Thats got me knackered! Just a few more touches though I think.. Oh, and I'll help with that last little bit on Joey Barton, I have a vague definition of a "box-to-box" player. Mattythewhite 11:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scottish space school

Hi, following the rewrite of this article, with plenty of reliable sources to underpin notability, I should be grateful if you would revisit your nomination of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scottish space school. TerriersFan 00:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. TerriersFan 15:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


Yes apparently there is a rule against it, so I'm going to go through all the profiles I've contributed to and remove all but the one by the name, WP:PW should probably be informed of this as well. MPJ-DK 05:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

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question on controversy creates cash

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Now what?

Hi, I think the Tamaraw article has complied with all of the things given on the Automated Peer Review that you gave. What should we do next? Please tell your ideas on my talk page. Thanks! --Lenticel (talk) 10:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Can I now withdraw the review? (Seems nobody wants to help in the review, I already posted on both Wikiproject Mammals and Philippines but nobody cares. I think only two of us are working with the article) I'll post it in the GA candidate page. --Lenticel (talk) 10:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


I left him a message, and I saw that you did, too. Maybe you should report him for 3RR and removing sources has to be vandalism. Nikki311 20:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I removed the block tag as I blocked the wrong guy. I apologize. I removed the block and instead protected the article for 2 days. My apologies again.Rlevse 22:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I got your message. That is really creepy. I'll keep an eye out for him. Nikki311 13:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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That's fine. That just means that he read the warning, and if he continues causing disruptions in the future, then he can be banned. If he chooses to ignore me he does so to his own disadvantage. I'm not going to worry about him. Thanks for letting me know, however. Cheers, The Hybrid 16:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Dennis Johnson, GAC

Hi there, thx for your thorough analysis of the article. Chensiyuan and me went over the article again, and could you take a look now? Thanks! —Onomatopoeia 08:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your review and the green plus! —Onomatopoeia 12:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

3 matches

Does that ref. work for Randy Orton's three favorite matches? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

His 3 favorite matches. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Claim vs Cowboycaleb1

You really need to send me the email you say Cowboycaleb1 sent you. Please do so within the next day or so, otherwise, I'll have to assume you don't have it. Highlight the email and click the "forward" button and send it to me.Rlevse 01:32, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/John Cena

Hi Blnguen,

I was wondering if you could review John Cena as the article is getting very little comments at the moment. Also, could you re-review 2007 Malaysian Grand Prix when you have a moment as that also is getting very little comments. Much appreciated. Davnel03 08:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I guess I can do Malaysia but I don't really understand WWE and how it is stage and all that. I've seen previous discussions where people weigh up the "character" and the "real person" and it left me a bit stumped. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Eddie Fatu

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Eddie Fatu you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. MPJ-DK 16:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for reverting vandalism on my user page. I didn't notice it until now. Carlossuarez46 19:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Cowboycaleb1 and User:Davel03

To both Cowboycaleb1 and Davel03--one says the harassing email was sent one says it wasn't. Barring some really unusual circumstance, both of you can't be correct. I'd expect future disputes, disruptions, etc between you two that can be verified will result in a long term block and/or one of the dispute resolution processes. I highly recommend at this point just let it go and leave each other alone.Rlevse 20:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Spells in Harry Potter AfD

Excuse me, but how did you randomly decide that the vote was getting "out of hand" and decide to put the notaballot tag on the AfD? I'm quite curious to know. GlassCobra 17:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Kurt Angle GA nomination

Your GA nomination of Kurt Angle

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Kurt Angle you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. MPJ-DK 21:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


I just noticed this [3]. Please take care. Spartaz Humbug! 21:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Emotions Anonymous Peer Review

I just wanted to drop you a line and thank you for reviewing the Emotions Anonymous article. I would have done it sooner, but I took the peer review page off my watch list after a couple of weeks seemingly no interest. I am working on making some of the changes you recommended now. -- Craigtalbert 21:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Sasquatch's talk page

Please stop arguing and counter-arguing on Sasquatch's talk page: no good can come out of it and it's best to let Sasquatch himself deal with the whole thing in the way he sees fit. Yes, cowboycaleb is being childish but edit warring with him on that talk page is not an appropriate solution.

That being said, I saw his complaints about the fake new messages bar on your user page. There is of course no policy against this. However, as I've told a number of editors before, these are not recommended. Why? Well, for experienced editors they are an old stale joke that make you look silly. To newcomers, they are confusing and in many ways bity. Nobody has the right to force you to remove it but pretty much everyone is hoping that you will take it down after considering these facts. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 21:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Grand Theft Auto gang

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Stop x nuvola with clock.svg
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for continued childish shouting matches on talk pages. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Pascal.Tesson 13:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

You too need to walk away and take a deep breath. When I asked you to stop arguing on Sasquatch's talk page, I did not mean "bring it to my talk page instead". Pascal.Tesson 14:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you remember the conditions attached to my lifting your indefinite block? You appear to have crossed the line. The only thing preventing me from indef blocking you now is that your conduct has been excellent up until this point and you have made some very valuable contributions. I would like you to make some very sincere assurances about your future conduct at this point. Spartaz Humbug! 14:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I apologise for my actions, and think that I now should of stayed out of it. I agree with my block, and will not be contesting it. However, I feel that Cowboycaleb1 deserves a longer block, because it seems like he is intent on not contributing properly to Wikipedia e.g. bringing things to your talkpage, Pascal. All I did was write a comment on your talkpage, which, for some reason, was removed by Caleb, see here. Infact, it was Caleb that brought it to your talkpage, not me, see the edit history of your talkpage. Along with the fact he's just personally insulted you on his talkpage as well. Davnel03 17:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

My block has expired, as it is more than 24 hours on, but the autoblock has not:


Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Autoblock of lifted or expired. Try hard-refreshing your browser and editing the sandbox, it should be OK now.

Request handled by: ~ Riana 14:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Apology accepted but please remember that I did not block you to sanction you. I did it so that you would have the time to take a deep breath and forget about Cowboycaleb1. (I hope you have) Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 18:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Srry for deleting ur comment

i didnt it ok to push the + symbol near the "edit this page" box? thats what im doing now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LordSkane (talkcontribs) 16:48, August 29, 2007 (UTC)


I think the wording is just about there for BT19. Could you do me a favour? I have excellent intentions about using some of the available checklists to make sure I haven't missed anything, but am nearly cross-eyed from checking stuff on this article. Could you check the article against one or more of the following and let me know if you think there are any problems:Jengod, Yannismarou and Tony. I know this all seems like a lot of work, but the route to FA success seems to be check the article from as many angles as possible, getting views from many sources. Many thanks, if you have time. Cheers. 4u1e 17:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

That'd be great, thanks. Cheers :) 4u1e 19:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

re:TJ Spyke

Well, you're more than welcome to, but it's mainly agreed that a multi-month block would be prefered. Bringing it up on CSN may look like someone pushing the issue, but it's your call :) — Moe ε 13:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

TJ has just been unblocked. The Hybrid 21:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Done, The Hybrid 21:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


It's only a flying visit for an Arbitration Committee case, but I did write Maze Prison escape while I was bored waiting for it to start.... One Night In Hackney303 16:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


Hard luck with 2007 Malaysian Grand Prix failing but maybe now you could help me with 2007 Canadian Grand Prix. Buc 19:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I did give it a look over but I didn't watch the race so there wasn't much I could say about it. Does it matter? Buc 19:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Writing and stuff

Looks like you're getting some excellent feedback on PR from Pyrope and AlexJ. Pyrope made some good suggestions about reading work by good writers; I think his belief that good style transfers by a kind of osmosis is right. A more mechanical approach may also help: you could try looking at The Elements of Style. There're some guidelines in chapter 2 on how to structure paragraphs and sentences, which might be useful. 4u1e 09:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I think part of what he's getting at is that that particular GP is not especially important in itself - which makes it hard to write a truly good article on it, because there's not much to say (unlike say 1994 San Marino Grand Prix or 2005 United States Grand Prix. Or 1994 Australian Grand Prix). He may well be right, but it's your choice what you spend your time on. The flip side of that, as I've said before, is that you have to respect the fact that others may want to spend their time on things you don't think are important.
He's also making a point about patience. It took me probably eight months to get Brabham to featured status. I think the articles that Phill and AlexJ have gotten featured took similar lengths of time. They need time and varied input to mature. You can't do it by yourself - I make by far the greatest number of edits to the Brabham articles, but they wouldn't have got to where they are now without work from many others, including most of the regular WPF1 contributors and quite a few outside reviewers and contributors. That's why I always put articles through as many commenting processes (GA, PR, FA etc) as I can, to get many views and develop a well-rounded article, and take advantage of the skills others have that I don't.
I'm glad to see you're getting a lot of input on the Malaysian GP and are making use of it, but I would urge you to consider each comment in depth. Don't just fix the immediate problem raised, but go back over the article and see if there are similar problems elsewhere, even if they haven't been specifically raised by your reviewers. Developing an article isn't just a game of whack a mole, where you bash problems that others raise. You need to look for every opportunity to improve things: for example, if someone points out that you've used the same word twice in one sentence, don't just fix that sentence, but go through the rest of the article looking for any repeated words.
Anyway, I didn't mean for this to turn into a sermon! Good luck with improving the Malaysian GP article. You seem to be dealing with criticism of 'your' article calmly - well done.
I'll be on wikibreak for the next week or so, so BT19 won't be advancing much. I'm also waiting for someone at Flickr to get back to me about pictures (fingers crossed). If you want to see someone else's text criticised you could ask AlexJ (if he has time) to have a go through BT19 and see what he thinks. 4u1e 22:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

List of English football transfers Summer 2007

I have no doubt that you were performing the edits in good faith. However, there are so many transfers on that page that if you were to reference every single one of them using the cite news template, the page would exceed the transcluded data limit. I removed the references for a reason, and that was it. - PeeJay 14:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

When you add a template to a page, the data included in that template must be loaded from a separate page. That process is known as "transclusion". To prevent the servers from totally crashing, each Wikipedia article has a limit on the amount of data that can be transcluded onto it by templates. Therefore, we have to limit the number of templates we include on each page. - PeeJay 15:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment on Mark83's talkpage

I noticed your comment on Mark83's talkpage. I felt the points Pyrope made were valid and your reaction was unwarranted. He made it pretty clear who he was referring to, and wasn't hiding, or intending to hide anything by not naming specifically who he was talking about. Your negative attitude is flaring up again, an attitude which has already caused Pyrope (who I consider to be a very good editor and a great help to WP:F1) to leave the project once. He's not the only person to notice you ignoring advice given by others. I've seen it several times, and just looking at a recent comment on WP:MOTOR [4] shows we're not the only ones. Time and time again, people have said to you that it's a good idea to do a PR before taking an article to FAC and yet you still responded to such as suggestion recently with "It's not compulsory to do a Peer Review, is it?" People aren't saying these things because they're compulsory but because they're a good idea.

I was disappointed to read your comment on WP:F1 reacting to the failed FAC of 2007 Malaysian Grand Prix (titled "I'm pretty (or rather very annoyed....". You were very annoyed that with the Wikipedia community who had taken time to review your article and had decided it did not come up to the FA standard? Further on, you say "the article is missing a star in the top right hand corner. And that's no fault of my own." which to me suggests that getting the star in the corner, and the bragging rights on your user page matters more than the article being an example of Wikipedia's best work.

Both Pyrope and myself have spent a fair amount of time (I spent over an hour reading and doing my initial comments on MAL '07) giving you advice on how to improve your writing style as well as improving the articles but mostly you only carry out the recommendations just on the example given (things I've already effectively re-written for you). Writing FA's is an artform, not a box ticking session, and to pass FAC the general recommendations on how to improve are probably more important than the specific problems flagged up. Getting a fairly mundane event (and compared to example you give such as Japanese Toilets and the law banning homosexuality in Germany, this is mundane) to FA status is extremely hard because to compensate, the prose must be even better written for the article to be exciting and engaging (without it using cliches, hyperbole or excessive jargon). You can't just meet the minimum criteria for everything and just do the compulsory stuff. That's like doing enough to get a grade C. Unless you're a naturally talented writer, the only way to get A* is to go through all the optional improvements like PR and to take on board the comments and suggestions of others. Please, forget about applying for the star again for the moment and instead concentrate on improving the article. Aim to write the perfect article and then take it to FAC rather than aim to pass FAC. AlexJ 23:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Your comment on TJ Spyke's talk page

We are currently discussing the issue at Armageddon's talk page. If you would like to comment there then please do. TJ may have found an official source to cite from the WWE. The Hybrid 14:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Randy Orton

Well someone deleted Randy Orton from the GA Candidates page instead of listing it as "on hold" which is why I removed it from the overview. MPJ-DK 16:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

MAL '07

I'd take it to the LOCE. There's a good chance having another set of eyes (ones which might be unfamiliar with the subject) look over the article will improve it. AlexJ 21:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

My apologies if I misunderstood, my interpretation was that you were about to go ahead and do it not just suggesting it. However I don't feel my comment was uncivil, it was polite-but-firm and I felt it important to grab your attention prior to you making the changes (which I thought you were about to). Anyone who posted the same comment as you would have had the same reaction from me, I thought it better to provide a strong warning, than to let you go ahead to do what it seemed you were about to, and come in for much stronger criticism from multiple users. I also followed up "STOP!" with my rationale for using it. I'm not sure how else I could have worded it to convey the same immediacy. My intention is definitely not to drive an editor who makes mostly good faith edits from Wikipedia. I just get a little frustrated sometimes when I think someone's explained something pretty clearly to you, and you still appear to not follow their advice. There's no grudge, it's just if someone is involved in making high profile changes or submits their work at PR & FAC, it's likely they'll be challenged or receive some (hopefully constructive) criticism in the process. AlexJ 18:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Upg protection

All listed are infinite. Gnangarra 01:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

brian kenndrick

i know we have had our differance in the past but i don't think that we shouldn't have kenndrick and london as the tag champs. wwe hasn't confirmed it i think that cade and murdoch will deferat them for the titles at the next house shown in south aferica. i don't want to get in a revert war with you or anybody. i just hope that you and the others cleam up this mess once it all settles.User:Cowboycaleb1Cowboycaleb 17:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I have no idea what this dispute is about but even if you're 100% right on the issue, this is not necessary. I think it would be sensible for you to let others handle editorial conflicts with Cowboycaleb. Pascal.Tesson 19:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Just leave him alone. Besides, I'm not sure you should be criticizing his grammar when in that very message you write "you're level of vocabulary, is pretty low, and spelling mistakes are pretty high. You should retract that post, if not offer him an apology. What exactly do you hope to gain by insulting him on his talk page? Pascal.Tesson 19:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

hey just a suggestionUser:CowboycalebCowboycaleb 21:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
I, Zenlax award Davnel03, LaraLove, and Nahallac Silverwinds the Tireless Contributor Barnstar for applying the time to edit Randy Orton's article and making an effort to get it in encyclopedic form. The three of you deserve it. Enjoy. Zenlax 12:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The History Article

I did manage to use your reference on Controversy Creates Cash, and I just added it, putting into perspective his response to the event. I hope it was interesting to you too, because I appreciated you writing the paragraph for me.

Actually, if it doesn't bother you, I noticed you read "Are we there yet?" about wrestling superstars' travels (it's in the wrestling library article). I took an interest in the Randy Orton article recently, and I'm wondering; he was mentioned, along with his friend Mark Jindrak as being a player or at least, something of an aggressive guy when picking up girls in real life. See if you can spot something about him, because I know it's in there.

And remember, your help did not go unnoticed. Thank you!

--Screwball23 talk 22:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


I don't think that anyone could blame you for leaving. Take it from me, Wikibreaks help a lot during this type of situation. I've just proposed a compromise, and hopefully it will gain support from both sides. I will do what I can to keep the situation from deteriorating further. These people pick and choose which policies to obey and which to ignore, but they still are allowed a voice in what takes place on Wikipedia in a similar way to complete morons being allowed to vote in the US elections. I guess that I will just have to tolerate their - whatever you call it, and see if I can come up with a workable compromise. *Sigh* - The Hybrid 08:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to try to keep that from happening as well. I'm doing exactly what I told myself I would never do again when I decided to come out of retirement; get involved in large disputes, and try to clean house in those disputes. Moan, this isn't going to turn out well, is it? The Hybrid 08:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I was the one who said that, and if this goes to Arb Com, then I honestly have no idea what the repercussions will be. Normally I have some idea of what to expect when things go to the bureaucracy, but in this case I have no idea what the fallout will entail. The project will never recover from it, that's for sure, and maybe that would be a good thing. Something needs to change in this project, so maybe a purging fire wouldn't be all bad. It would be painful, but maybe, in the long run, it would be a good thing. The Hybrid 09:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

You haven't done anything wrong in this dispute. You took the initiative in voicing the project's proposal, and you can't be punished for that. It isn't your fault that all hell has broken loose. However, it is far too early to worry about the arb com. We still have 3 steps of the dispute resolution process between us and them, and if I have anything to say about it, then we won't have to use any of them. The Hybrid 09:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

So, how's life? The Hybrid 09:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you'll like my reply to him. The Hybrid 09:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

He's dodging me because he knows that I have him pegged. Let me deal with him. Please inform me of any actions that you witness him take. Cheers, The Hybrid 11:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


Cheers, no problem.--Diniz (talk) 10:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

BIG Daddy M

What section? -- KBW1 16:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. -- KBW1 16:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


Get out! That can't be! Is that just a joke or was it really added by someone else? I mean, who knows, looking at the page, maybe you are my

Man, that is pretty cool. Thanks. It's flattering, and I think you are a good guy. --Screwball23 talk 16:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that is interesting

hey, that is surprising. I never knew you could be blocked for 24hrs just like that because some vandal wants to come along and mess around. But hey, it looks like everything is fine. I'll keep you on the know whenever I need something for the history article, or if some other wrestling article comes by.

--Screwball23 talk 17:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

RE: Vandalism

No problem. I was really confused with it at first, because the sock puppet thing didnt make sense. So I checked the history. DurinsBane87 18:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

WWE Armageddon

The date is annonced on the reference page. Please don't delete it again. -- KBW1 18:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, it said the date, and their wasn't a hidden piece. You should make it more clear. -- KBW1 22:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

thought u might like to know

I realize you're an avid wrestling fan, and I'm sure you might have an interest in the psychology of wrestling fans. I read a book entitled Slaphappy: Pride, Prejudice, and Professional Wrestling that you might find a nice read. Feel free to edit the thing, because I really haven't had much feedback as of yet. --Screwball23 talk 00:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use images in userspace

Fair use images may not be used in your user space. I've commented the image out. You may uncomment it when you move it to article space. See criterion 9 of Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. Picaroon (t) 19:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, can't be left in, even if only for a few hours. You can readd it once you move it to article space, but non-free images appearing in any space except the article space need to be removed or commented out. Picaroon (t) 19:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

D2D 06

  1. While you mentioned the Raw and Smackdown storylines, the ECW storylines for Surivor Series (namely, those in the elimination matches, including Punk, Lashley, Knox, etc) should especially be mentioned, as the promotion of those matches were more important than ECW's own PPV.
  2. Why were there two PPVs in two consecutive weeks by the same company? I believe it had to do with the holidays, with Christmas Eve and New Years Eve falling on Sundays this year, the two WWE PPVs and one TNA PPV had to be bunched together.
  3. There was also a small build involving the Hardyz and their open challenge.
  4. It might be hard to find a reference, but Hardcore Holly vs. Sandman was on the event's T-Shirt sold that night, meaning the match was planned.

Keep up the good work. Mshake3 03:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

A source

I'm assuming that the reason why there isn't much of a reception section is because few wrestling websites are considered Reliable. here is a review of the PPV from Slam!, which is considered a reliable source. If you're looking for any more info, then take a look at their archives as they usually have good reports. -- Scorpion0422 21:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


"Oh My God", what a great job on creating December to Dismember (2006). Now if only we could do this with every PPV.  Kip Smithers  01:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


Like I was ever worried about Caleb before, but unfortunantly for Caleb, I tend to not let things go that easily. It's not a matter of if I should deal with this editor, it's a matter of how. — Moe ε 22:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


Face-grin.svgThanks for signing my autograph book. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


Adminship.png My RFA
¡Hola! thanks for participating in my request for adminship, which ended with 51 supports, no opposes, and one neutral. I hope to accomplish what is expected of me and work to help those that lent me their trust. - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

CM Punk

It might be a good idea to put in a request to have the article on the main page at Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article/requests. If you request October 26, you may get it. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 02:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to do it sooner rather than later. Sometimes Raul picks the Main Page FA a couple of days in advance, sometimes a couple of weeks. If you don't do it soon enough, it may decrease the chances of getting on the Main Page any time soon. October 26 would be a good date to request, because it is Punk's birthday, and Raul usually goes for some synchronicity with his Main Page selections. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 19:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Random smile

Zenlax 1:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the smile. It made my day. Zenlax 12:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The Hybrid 04:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


Well like Bound For Glory is not a big PPV like Slammiversary, and it is in the format like WWE's BIG 4, for every yearly event. So why isnt WWE like that or they should all be merged to fit regular PPV's and just leave slammiversary in that format P.S. reply in my talk page.--TrUcO9311 16:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh my bad I didnt notice, so what are you working on for the WWE pPV's?--TrUcO9311 16:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah I noticed that, thats outstanding work, great job, anything else you are working on?--TrUcO9311 17:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh you are seperating those becasue the 2007 wasnt under the ECW name (even though promoted by WWE) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truco9311 (talkcontribs) 17:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Ohh, are you going to put the 2006 event under there as well?TrUcO9311 17:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
IS there a way I can help you out?TrUcO9311 17:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
one thing, on the DTD article i think you should note that it is a revived form of the 1995(or 6) event, cuz u dont mention it at all inthe article, or put a referece to it.TrUcO9311 17:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I Like it

I like yor D2D PPV article. All of the info is sourced. Very, very impresive my friend. Cheers, The Hybrid 23:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Alright, can do. Cheers, The Hybrid 23:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: 2007 Malaysian GP peer review

Right I think I've done it. I couldn't find any other big issues other than what was already stated on the peer-review discussion. I've made a comment to one minor thing I've changed to see what others thought though, although it remains relatively trivial. Lradrama 10:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Triple H

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Triple H you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 2 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Pursey Talk | Contribs 10:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

D2D Review

I'll give it a look. In the meantime, I'm taking your article improvements and will be applying it to the TNA Lockdown (2007) article. I've started it here. Mshake3 05:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

December to Dismember peer review

The article looks great. I've never done a peer review before, so I hope it helped and didn't come off sounding like an attack (I felt bad making so many suggestions). I made one small edit to a sentence because "When Lashley's pod wouldn't open" was confusing. You've done great work on the article, and I can't see why it wouldn't pass a GA review. GaryColemanFan —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 19:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


Hello The Hybrid 09:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I did make a mistake :p. Anyways, as far as that stick incident goes, if you live in LA you can get medical marijuana to sooth that. If not, then just make friends with someone really huge, preferably of Russian descent since they generally do a better job on this type of thing, and have them Chokebomb the person on your behalf. Peace, The Hybrid 09:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Nah, they could just run away from Khali and escape. A pissed off Russian will pursue their prey to the ends of the Earth. I had a friend once, and everyone just called him Russian since we couldn't find out his real name. One time someone spit on him and ran. He chased them, and we followed in a car. He was faster than Russian, but after about 20 minutes the other guy just couldn't run anymore, and resigned himself to receiving the most painful spear I've ever seen. He never spit on anyone again. Peace, The Hybrid 09:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, he speared him so hard that he just wrapped around Russian's shoulder. When he hit the cement (this whole thing took place on backroad sidewalks) he was the recipient of such impact that he couldn't even cry out. I'm surprised that he didn't break a rib. The Hybrid 09:26, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

So anyway, other than the injury, how is your life going? The Hybrid 09:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't watched it yet, but I've read the reports, and I'm not surprised at how terrible the thing was. Wedding angles always suck. Why they keep trying it again and again is beyond me, but what do I expect from VKM? *Sigh* anyway, what are your thoughts on Hornswoggle? I love the little guy, The Hybrid 09:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but they can book into Kennedy really quickly. All they have to do is say that the mother was pulling a joke on VKM, and Kennedy wasn't in on it. Then they can pick up where they left off. Pushing an angle so hard, and having to wait a month after the revelation to receive the payoff would be very unsuccessful, so I think that they made the best decision possible. Use a popular character to create some fairly entertaining comedy, but leave some room to book yourselves into the serious storyline again. Of course, I;m giving them the benefit of the doubt, in that I'm assuming they will return to Kennedy, and not just let Hornswoggle be the official illegitimate child. Peace, The Hybrid 18:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the misunderstanding. I should have trusted you. I've known bulletproof for a while, and usually he has very good judgment. I just assumed that he was right without looking into it. Sorry, and if anything like this ever happens again contact me, and I will put an end to it. Peace,

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For tireless work creating good, referenced articles on WWE's pay-per-views, I now present you with the Original Barnstar. Keep up the good work, The Hybrid 19:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Um, copyediting isn't really my thing. Sorry, but that is something that I just don't know how to do, and learning doesn't look like that much fun. Sorry about that, The Hybrid 19:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Misunderstanding

No worries. I can see how things got a bit heated there as a result of miscommunication. Again no worries and congrats on a fine ONS 05 article. Cheers! -- bulletproof 3:16 19:33, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Conser improvement for Rebecca Curci ?

Hey Davnel, Considering your interest in professional wrestling, do you think that Rebecca Curci is salvagable? Most of the sections are bulleted lists when they could be paragraphs. I wouldn't have the expertise on the subject you would, but the article could use work. -- Guroadrunner 23:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

One Night Stand (2005)

I went through and made a few changes. Again, nothing major. I left a few comments on the peer review page because I wasn't sure how to deal with a couple of things. I went through section-by-section, but for some reason, it signed me out when I submitted my changes for the Background section. Oh well. Anyhow, I just wanted to let you know that I looked it over and it's looking good. GaryColemanFan 22:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thanks so much for the barnstar. I'm glad I can help with the articles. After seeing the improvements you've made, I've been thinking about doing some work to expand some others (SummerSlam 1993 is my favorite PPV, but the article gives almost nothing except the match results...some background would help a lot). Anyhow, keep me up to date on which articles you're working on and I'll be glad to look them over. GaryColemanFan 16:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the information in the Sandbox. I'll definitely include it. I just finished a few edits to the Background section, and I'll be adding in some of those references next time I edit it (and, now that I think about it, I completely left out the Lex Express, which is one of the most important parts of the background). GaryColemanFan 01:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Check user

You can check my ip address. i have nothing to do with the vanalism on your talk page.also if you look at what i am into and what the person that vandalized your talk page is into, you will see that they don't match up.the reason i took you message off of my talk page is because i would rather not deal with you due to our past history.User:Cowboycaleb1Cowboycaleb 20:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah what do you think of my myspace page?Cowboycaleb1Cowboycaleb 21:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Davnel03/Vandals

Please feel free to comment. Shalom (HelloPeace) 20:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


I would absolutely love Y2J to come back. I hope that the rumors are true, The Hybrid 02:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

One Night Stand (2006) background

I looked this over. I made a few small changes, but it's looking good. I have a few minor things to mention, though: (a) The date format isn't consistent. I'd fix this, but I'm not sure what is considered proper. At some points, there is a comma between the date and the year; in others, there isn't. Should it be there? (b) The internal links are a little inconsistent. Some wrestlers have the first and second mention linked to their articles; others don't. (c) Some clarification of what Cutting Edge is would be helpful. (d) It gets a little colloquial in places: "busted him open", "bashing ECW"...possibly "barbed wire baseball bat" (someone who doesn't watch wrestling might not know what that means). Great start to the article, though. GaryColemanFan 19:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

One more (unrelated) question. I don't understant the Reflist thing at the end of articles. I put it in, but everyone seems to add "|" and a number (usually 1, 2, or 3) after "reflist". What does the number refer to? GaryColemanFan 19:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Various stuff

Apologies for not replying sooner. Thanks for your help with BT19 - seems to be going smoothly so far (didn't think I'd get off that lightly with Tony1!).

Regarding Malaysia 2007, where are you at present with it? It looks like it's still on peer review, ahead of returning to FAC? And I see Awadewit is contributing some copyediting. Is that right?

You've already had a lot of comments at the peer review, and those from Pyrope and AlexJ in particular are very useful - if it were me, I'd read back over them (ignore the personal stuff!) and try to tease out the general points. You may want to close that PR now, btw, as it's probably long enough that new reviewers will find it difficult to see if a point has already been made. If it were an article I was working on, for now I would content myself with addressing the points Awadewit is raising - finding good clear ways to address points which are unclear to an F1 novice will definitely improve the article.

Regarding Pyrope's lack of reply, I'd point out that he's actually made a lot of very useful comments already: I wouldn't ask him for further input until you're confident you've addressed not only the specific points raised, but the general 'failings' they represent.

Let me know when you've finished working with Awadewit, and I'll do another 'peer review' of the article. Hope that's helpful! 4u1e 15:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Your arbitration proposal

I am glad you are not pursuing your workshop proposal in "The Troubles" arbitration, but please don't let the comments deter you from providing other input if you wish to, in this or any other case. (Although I think the workshop in "The Troubles" has pretty much run its course by now, anyway.) Regards, Newyorkbrad 17:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

SummerSlam (1993) copy-edit

If you're willing and have a chance, it would be great if you could look over the SummerSlam article. I think I'm pretty much finished with what I wanted to do. I'd like to add references to the match results, and there's till one "note" that I'd like to get rid of. I haven't been able to find a reference for this being the first successful Intercontintenal defense at SummerSlam, though. I was also toying with the idea of adding information from about the attendance (and possibly buyrate), but I'm not sure how much it would actually add to the article. GaryColemanFan 16:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

The other thing I was trying to figure out is how to incorporate the "Other on-screen talent" into the article, or if it could be left as-is. GaryColemanFan 16:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

CowboyCaleb's block

Hi. Note that I haven't block the underlying IPs because at least some of them appear to be shared IPs. So it's possible that you will find other Memphis IPs leaving friendly comments on your talk page, at least in the near future. Let me know if that happens and I'll see what I can do. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 21:28, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Would you?

Like to sign my signature book? Zenlax Talk Contributions Signatures 20:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for signing. Zenlax Talk Contributions Signatures 19:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Book sources

I always cite the books I find on there with the cite book template. You aren't really looking at a website so much as a search engine that reproduces the exact pages for you. Also, thanks for the help on Martha Hart's article. Nikki311 20:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


You've done a good job with the One Night Stand and December to Dismember articles. Would you consider tackling some of the Starrcade PPV's as your next project? Most people tend to ignore the WCW PPV articles (you should have seen how bad they were before I cleaned them up), and think this bring some attention to them. TJ Spyke 23:36, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

If I get some free time I will. It will be more difficult since than WWE, but I will try. TJ Spyke 00:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

2007 Malaysian Grand Prix

You mentioned on my talk page that you might nominate 2007 Malaysian Grand Prix for FAC. Shouldn't you wait until the end of the 2007-2008 season? Might not the race look different in retrospect? Perhaps I don't understand when the seasons are? Also, I would wait a few more days for a response from the F1 WikiProject - it's only been two days! Do you have a few trusted F1 editors to ask? That is usually the best way to go, anyway. Build up those networks of wiki-friends. :) Awadewit | talk 16:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

In response to Awadewit's comments, I disagree that an article has to be left until the end of a season, unless it is clear that consensus cannot be reached until this date, for instance Lewis Hamilton is not going to be a stable article before the end of the season, so there would be little point in trying to promote that to FA mid-season.
Anyway, apologies for my late reply Davnel. At time of writing I'm making a relatively minor edit, sorting out the things that are clearly wrong at first glance. Once I get stuck in I'm going to apply solutions to points addressed in the peer review more consistently. For instance the MOS issue on the introduction, naming and wikilinking of drivers, reservations about assumption of knowledge of F1 2007, and the overall flow of content are things I hope to sort tonight.
The copyedit will get practise, qualifying and the race up to what I consider to be near or hopefully at FAC standard. I'll edit the content currently in the lead to how I think it should be written, however I think this will leave the lead too short, meaning we need to cover something else. Personally I think a two sentence mention of the white stripe would be a worthy inclusion there, but I'd like someone else's opinion on that. In the meantime I'll be addressing the fact that 50% of the lead covers Massa's demise, compared to 50% given to the podium finishers combined.
Once that's done, my big gripe is the "background section", large parts of which are irrelevant as well as poorly written. I've chosen not to copyedit this on the basis that it'd be annoying to spend a lot of time on a section that requires trimming first; I'd rather copyedit this section until after there's consensus on what should and shouldn't be there. BeL1EveR 20:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, will do. I'm a bit busier than I expected but I'll persevere, qualifying will definately be finished tonight and the race will be done by Sunday evening at the latest. See practise for a flavour of what I'm aiming for style wise, although of course qualifying and race will go into more on-track detail. BeL1EveR 21:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Update. Told you I was busy, ended up taking a few hours lol. Anyway as promised I'm pretty much done up until the end of qualifying. I'm having second thoughts about whether it was worthwhile introducing a seperate "penalties" section. On that topic please see the "Barrichello" section on the talk page, and see what you can do. The race doesn't look as bad as I remember it, but as promised I'll go through it in detail at some point this weekend. BeL1EveR 23:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah sure. Drop me a note when it's 'ready'. Just to note, I replaced the white stripe section into the article as I think the whole section is relevant and interesting and we the lead is meant to summarise the article, not contain exclusive content. AlexJ 10:44, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar gratefully accepted. My work's done for today, I'd just like to draw your attention to the article's talk page for some final points of what's left. As predicted we should have the job done around this time tomorrow. BeL1EveR 20:12, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Copyedit is now complete. I've made some comments in the article as to what I think still needs to be done. Note also that there is a still a {{fact}} template in the article. And I'm still unsure as to whether the white stripe information should be duplicated, but I guess leaving it in is a better compromise than removing it; we could always remove it later.

Drop me a message when it's an FAC, that way I'll know to keep an eye out and can help you if necessary. BeL1EveR 18:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


You couldn't leave it alone could you?--Monnitewars (talk) 17:16, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

wikiworld cup

You may join yes, just add your name to the list and use the flagicon template. However the page is under work at the minute so I'll get back round to you when it is ready, thanks. The sunder king 19:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, it really is just minor changes, I am to open the page in a few minutes. El-Nin09 17:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

COTW weekly notice

Whenever the template is finished being updated, if you are the first to notice/the one to update it, could you pop on over to User talk:Misza13 and let her know? We're supposed to notify her every week. If you could, then that would be great. I'll be asking some other users to do the same thing. Cheers, The Hybrid 20:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. If I'm on at that time I'll help you out with everything. Cheers, The Hybrid 21:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

SummerSlam (1993)

This article has undergone a Good Article review, and the only thing holding it back is a lack of fair-use rationale for the two pictures. Unfortunately, I don't have any idea how to do that. If you know, would you be able to help? GaryColemanFan 02:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

CM punk on October 26

I think it was you who requested CM Punk for October 26. I just realized that I had already promised that spot several months ago to Plug-in Hybrid. The guy who wrote that article requested October 26, which is the day the first ones are being released in the US. Raul654 03:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

See this Raul654 03:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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GA Review

I shall see later, when I have the time to sit down and look. FamicomJL 19:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I should have a look at it tomorrow. FamicomJL 01:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I remember reading that someone was planning to do the review. Are they? If so, I'll let them do it. :) FamicomJL 03:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


Phew - finally got there. Thanks for your help, and for giving me a kick to get the article up to the next level. Good luck with 2007 Malaysian Grand Prix. 4u1e 16:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


Hey, the wikicup page is now up and running, and everyone is free to enter. Please add your name on the list here. The sunder king 16:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you Germany of Brazil? El-Nin09 16:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

2007 Malaysian Grand Prix FAC

Would you mind slightly altering your statement to say that I "copy edited" the article rather than that I "reviewed" it? I never reviewed it, in my opinion. It makes me a little uncomfortable. Thanks. Awadewit | talk 17:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

A reward for your efforts

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on finding my secret page. Woooooooooooo The Hybrid T/C 01:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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WWE E-mail

Not saying it's fake, but did you really get an e-mail from them? I've sent dozens of e-mails to them and never got a response. TJ Spyke 20:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, I hope you don't take it personally that I PRODed the One Night Stand 2008 article. It's just that i've put cite tags for all the post-WrestleMania XXIV events several weeks ago and made comments on several of their talk pages, but no one has provided any source for those dates or that some will even happen (with WWE ppv's going tri-branded, it looks like WWE is cutting back down on PPVs). TJ Spyke 21:19, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar


An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar/Workshop.

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PPV article expansion campaign

So... your overall goal (or I should say the WP:PW community) is to convert as many PPV articles to GA status as possible (using the "background", "event" and "aftermath" concept)? I'm just wondering, cause I would like to participate with this on certain PPVs. The Chronic 08:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Probably just the only 3 PPVs I have expertise on: Vengeance 2007, Great American Bash 2007 and Victory Road 2007. The next major expansion project could be Victory Road (and the other TNA PPV articles), since there aren't a lot of them yet. The Chronic 23:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Alright. I'll probably help with the Victory Road one too (once I'm done with my current project). The Chronic 23:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: HEre you go

I believe you now, but FYI before I got on wikipedia this afternoon (It's 12:48pm where I am) I sent WWE an email myself and if that comes back different I change it back right away, got it?--Monnitewars (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


If you click edit, then you will get a bit saying abbr="...................... that will tell you. F9T 18:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


Yeah. You made a grammatical mistake. The wording on the to-do list should be changed. Let me see if I can explain this. If you were to say "The WWE is great". That would be incorrect, and the wording should be changed to "WWE is great". I'm pretty sure we are on the same page with that. The difference comes when you start talking about championship belts, halls of fame, etc, in other words, the subject of the sentence is no longer just WWE...and "WWE" actually becomes like a modifier. I'm sure that's confusing. I'm confused by it and I know what I'm talking about. Here's an example:

"All of the crowd wanted to see the WWE Championship belt."

You were changing sentences like this to read:

"All of the crowd wanted to see WWE Championship belt." ...which reads as: "All of the crowd wanted to see World Wrestling Entertainment Championship belt."

See the difference? It's okay to change "the WWE" to just "WWE" when the "the" is referring to WWE itself. If the "the" is referring to the noun on the other side of "WWE" (belt, title, or hall of fame) then the "the" should be left in or else the sentence no longer makes sense.

I hope I explained this well. I really feel like I didn't. :/ Nikki311 19:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

your trick

hey is it ok if i can get your trick you have on your page, "the new messages" trick?--TrUcO9311 21:52, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


The only thing you did was add 1 reference. I think you would need more than that to make it an FA. Lex94 Talk Contributions Signatures 18:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I commented on your comments. Cheers, Lex94 Talk Contributions Signatures 18:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It just looks very unorganized. How bout this:D2D Nomination Page (in my Sandbox) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lex94 (talkcontribs) 19:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

December to Dismember (2006)

I'll definitely comment on this nomination. I'm pretty busy for the next couple of days, but I'll look over the Featured Article criteria and the article and give my opinion sometime soon. GaryColemanFan 18:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Mal 07 FAC update

I've replied to the FAC with more comments . Guroadrunner 13:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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The Chronic presents...

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You've done a lot of extensive editing getting the December to Dismember article to Good Article status, and you've made a lot of improvements to the One Night Stand pages. You deserve this barnstar for your tireless efforts. The Chronic 15:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
"leave here"? The Chronic 15:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Spyker F1

No problem, well done for partolling it in the first place. Pyrope 15:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

User edit

I noticed you recently reverted a edit at One Night Stand (2007). Can you look at this. Thanks, Davnel03 15:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I suggest directing him to the talk page if he has a specific issue with the content... and keep the WP:3RR in mind, both for him and you. Gscshoyru 15:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Still, he has personally insulted me. That's why I directed you to the diff. In my view, he/her is removing sourced material. Davnel03 15:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
He/she is. And personal attacks are also not allowed. He/she has been warned, both for removing content and for potential 3RR violation (which I think you violated too, by the way). So if he reverts again, don't revert, but report to the 3RR noticeboard. It is possible that he has a legitimate issue with the content, however, so you two should discuss rather than edit warring. Gscshoyru 15:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, I won't revert, but I cannot see what the user has a problem with. The article is very similar to December to Dismember (2006), SummerSlam (1993) and WrestleMania III. I don't know what the users problem is. Thanks anyway. Davnel03 15:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Similarity of articles has nothing to do with precedent... but he needs to discuss. And so do you, perhaps. Try starting a conversation in talk, then? Gscshoyru 15:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: D2D sourcing

Too bad. I think it is a good article, too, but keep in mind that that doesn't mean it will become a FA. Not all articles are capable of being a FA, and as we've seen, reliable (uncontroversially reliable) sources just don't exist for some of the info in the article. That doesn't mean that it may never become a FA, but perhaps being satisfied with a GA is enough for now. If you really want a FA on your resume, you might want to try working on pay-per-views that are older...those have an abundance of sources in wrestling books, especially early WrestleManias. Don't give up, though, and don't let this set back ruin your will to work on articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikki311 (talkcontribs) 18:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Another option for the dark match and list of results is Online World of Wrestling's recap, OWOW has its problems, too, but there less of an issue surrounding it as a source. I did some more digging and found a SLAM! Wrestling article that details some of the matches leading up to the elimination chamber and another article by the Calgary Sun. Nikki311 21:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't mind helping. :) I'll definitely be on the lookout for sources. Nikki311 16:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, this is what I've found so far:
  • [5] An article from SLAM! Wrestling that doesn't necessarily mention that Sabu had backstage heat, but it does mention that he was released, was supposed to be in the elimination chamber, and it mentions the drugs found in his possession earlier.
  • [6] Another article from SLAM! that focuses on Heyman's departure. It has some of the info like Vince rewriting the pay-per-view and his reaction. I don't think it goes in to the full detail that you are looking for, but it is better than nothing.
  • [7] An article from The Sun that confirms Hetman left on bad terms.
  • [8] An interview with BG James on that mentions VKM accepting the Hardy's challenge.
I'm going to take a little break, but I'll be back on later this evening. Nikki311 17:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

One more source: [9]: The WWE Corporate listing of 2007 pay-per-views, which proves there won't be a D2D in 2007. Personally, if it were me, I'd wait a little longer to re-nominate, but that's just me. The sourcing is better now, so it definitely has a better chance. Do what you want. Nikki311 19:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar. I see some people taking an interest in the article (below). While, I'd rather not vote on the page (I feel personally invested in it now), I'll comment when others start supporting, opposing, and voicing concerns. Nikki311 02:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)