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Sergeant Bruce Rusty Lang, March 1970, (now Dr. B. R. Lang, M.D., Christian international physician) United States Army Special Forces, 6th Special Forces Group. Image:Dr B R Lang March 1970.jpg.

Photo of Dr. B. R. Lang, my photographic snap-shot by Sgt. Mike Hicks on my camera near Ft. Bragg, N.C. This image is not copyrighted and has never been published.

The photo was taken while Lang was assembled with other SF paratroopers from the 6th SFG who were prepared as the first team to test jump the jumbo C-5A Galaxy jet transport aircraft. Moments after this photo was taken Sgt. Lang was pulled from the jump team for immediate covert teporary duty deployment in the Royal Kingdom of Laos [Project 404] as an Assistant Army Attaché to the Laotian U.S. Embassy in what has been called the CIA's "Secret War" in Laos.

Three days after this photo was taken, on March 18, 1970, Lang and two other Special Forces cryptographic telecommunications specialists from the 6th SFG arrived in Vientiane, Laos, wearing civilian cloths and carrying diplomatic passports as Assistant Army Attachés to the the U.S. Embassy. They arrived in Laos on a Thai civilian aircraft loaded with plaincloths clad military "Thai volunteers" headed for the Secret War. While in Laos, Sgt. Lang was primarily based in Long Tieng (LS 20A). Sgt. Lang earned his first Army Air Medal in Laos for frequent flying as a customer on Air America, the CIA's covert proprietary airline. Lang was blessed several times at Basi blessings by Lao General Vang Pao of the Hmong people and his family, and met other notable individuals such as Pop Buels, Tom Cline, and several other colorful characters in the process of working in and around areas occupied by approximately 30,000 to 60,000 communist North Vietnamese Army troops inside Laos with their Pathet Lao comrades.

This photo shows the 6th Special Forces Group (6th SFG) flash on the Green beret worn by Lang. In 1969-72 the 6th SFG was based at Ft. Bragg, N.C., and primarily assigned to countries such as Iraq and neighboring middle-eastern Areas of Operation.

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Sergeant Bruce Rusty Lang, United States Army 6th Special Forces Group, Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, prior to temporary duty deployment to "Project 404" as an Assistant Army Attache (AARMA) to the U.S. Embassy in Laos. (now Dr. Bruce Rusty Lang, M.D., Christian international physician)

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March 15, 1970

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Dr. Bruce Rusty Lang, M.D.

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Speedy deletion of Chad Adams[edit]

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AfD nomination of B. Rusty Lang[edit]

I have nominated B. Rusty Lang, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B. Rusty Lang. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Clamster 03:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Articles and conflict of interest[edit]

I'm writing you to inform you of wikipedia's WP:COI guidelines. Generally speaking, it is highly discouraged to edit in situations that pose a conflict of interest. This goes from creating an article about yourself, from adding to multiple articles references to a non-notable paper you wrote over 15 years ago. Please stop editing wikipedia to promote yourself, and consider reading up on our key policies, especially WP:BIO, WP:OR, WP:V, WP:CS, and WP:N. I have reverted a number of your edits, and deleted articles that do not meet out inclusion guidelines. Please feel free to discuss these matters further with me, or if you have any questions about how wikipedia works, please contact me. If you insist on attempting to include references to content which you yourself authored, then please make your proposal on the talk page so that users who don't share your conflict of interest can objectively determine of the content is appropriate or not. Thanks for your consideration.-Andrew c [talk] 03:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome[edit]

Hello, Dr. B. R. Lang, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Please take some time to read over Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Your contributions to medical articles are welcome, but Wikipedia discourages editors from writing biographical articles about themselves. Regards, ˉˉanetode╦╩ 16:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Your CV[edit]

Please stop posting your CV to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B. Rusty Lang, or in fact, anywhere on wikipedia besides your own user page (which is located at User:Dr. B. R. Lang. Wikipedia is an online, free encyclopedia, and is not monster.com or any other place to post your resume or otherwise promote yourself. Please stop. Also, the page which you have been editing, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B. Rusty Lang is a closed discussion, and it is inappropriate to add further to the page. If you disagree with the outcome, you are welcome to go through WP:DRV. I'd be glad to help you understand wikipedia if you would like to become a productive editor. So please, ask questions if you have any. Thanks.-Andrew c [talk] 20:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

If you have a problem with the RU-486 article, or merely wish to add some information, you are free to edit it. Simply edit the Mifepristone article and its talk page to add the relevant commentary. Any content is welcome, so long as it is framed in a neutral point of view and backed up by references to reliable sources. However I urge you to stop posting your CV with every comment, it is unnecessary to provide proof of expertise to edit Wikipedia and posting personal data to unrelated pages may confuse editors. If you need any help with editing the Mifepristone article, or wish to learn more about editorial guidelines, please don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, ˉˉanetode╦╩ 21:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I should have checked on this first, but it appears that your edit is already under discussion at Talk:Mifepristone#Addition_to_controversy_section. Please add your input there. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 21:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from adding information about yourself to articles, doing so implies a conflict of interest on your part. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 20:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

April 2008[edit]

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Leonard G. Horowitz[edit]

You recently added a section header at an inappropriate point and with questionable wording to the article about Leonard Horowitz. I reverted the edit, and discuss why I did so at the talk page for the article.

Here, I would only issue you a friendly challenge. If we're to believe your resume, you must be in possession of unusual reserves of self-discipline. Could you expend a little from that reserve in the interests of an objective treatment of Dr. Horowitz? My own feelings should be clear to you from where I've been in open Wikipedia discussion of this man, but I'll reiterate for your convenience: I think Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz is despicably amoral if he is sane, truly pathetic if he is not sane. I don't know which; I don't really care at this point. For better or worse, however, I believe he has become notable, and if so, the public deserves an unbiased treatment of him.

If you wish to protest my revert of your edit, please go to the discussion page for the article and tell people there why. If you want to make any other edits, please read the article thoroughly, read the discussion of the article (both at its talk page and at the discussion of its possible deletion). Then, if you still think it's appropriate, make the edits without doing violence to the structure of the article, with as much NPOV as you can muster.

May 2008[edit]

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Thanks for your response, I stand corrected. In the future, however, make sure you add references when you change information (if possible). Bob the Wikipedian (talk) 13:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


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Avoiding redirects ("Second Indochina War" or "Vietnam")[edit]

Currently our article about the Vietnam War is at Vietnam War. If you think it should be moved to "Second Indochina War", you can raise that proposal at Talk:Vietnam War. In the meantime, Second Indochina War merely redirects to Vietnam War, so, under our policy of avoiding redirects, changing the wikilink as you did here and elsewhere is inappropriate. JamesMLane t c 15:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Second Indochina War or "Vietnam"

James, Thanks for your input and note re. redirects. The term "Vietnam War", or "Vietnam" is a distinctly provincial U.S. perspective of that era of the Second Indochina War and the Cold War. The French, and most of Europe are more familiar with the First and Second wars in "Indochina". Some Vietnamese refer to the later as the "American War". Part of the problem people have in understanding the history of that war is that many Americans persist in using the U.S.A.-centric term that's primarily based upon years of daily televised news coverage that norrowly focused on U.S. participation in the "conflict" in Viet Nam. Thanks again. Keep up the great work! Best regards, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 16:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

However, there are 3 issues here; the first is that "Vietnam War" is the commonly accepted term in the English language for the conflict. It is pervasive throughout official records, historical documents, names of veterans' organizations and so on. Secondly, the term "Second Indochina War" already redirects to "Vietnam War", and as the previous poster mentioned, there is a policy here on Wikipedia of avoiding redirects. Lastly, the current term for the conflict here on the English-language Wikipedia is "Vietnam War". Changing it reflects your personal preference and not necessarily how the war is accurately named. You are welcome to propose changing it, but until such a thing happens, please refrain from substituting the terms. Thanks. Respectfully, Alcarillo (talk) 00:22, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Information.svg Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia, but one or more redirects you created have been considered disruptive and/or malicous, and have been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.

I see that you've resumed substituting "Vietnam War" for "Second Indochina War" when you've been asked not do so. Please refrain. Alcarillo (talk) 22:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Greetings from WikiProject Medicine![edit]

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Image:Royal Laotian General Vang Pao.jpg[edit]

The author credited for this image is Denny Walsh (the author of the article) but the tag says that you hold the copyright on the image. Did you make this photograph or not? WillOakland (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't. However, as a result of your question I double (and triple) checked with Denny Walsh and the Sacramento Bee. As of today the newspaper disallowed use of this outstanding, and most current, image of Vang Pao. Thanks for your interest. Best regards, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Cowboy Morgan Evans[edit]

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Evans[edit]

Simply put, oral histories can be inaccurate for various reasons. Therefore, they do not comply with Wikipedia standards for reliable sources. I can't find any hits online for any Masonic listings for him either. I'm also not in a position to verify or deny his membership.

Masonic documentation does exist at every level - there should be certificates for his third degree, his 32nd in Scottish Rite, anything he did in York Rite (a "ceremonial sword" is usually from York Rite Templary), and if he was a 33rd, there should be a certificate for that.

What you therefore need to do is some detective work: you need to find out in what state he was made a Mason, and then contact the Grand Lodge (which will have a webpage you can get the contact info from). Records don't get "lost" either; if there is no record, then he wasn't a Mason, period. If he wasn't a Mason in the first place, there was no way he was a 33rd. Start with that, and assuming you find anything, let me know, and I'll help you out with where to go next. MSJapan (talk) 16:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Cowboy Morgan Evans received his 32nd degree in 1945, and his 33rd in the sixties. He was a York right member of the 52nd Chapter in Bonham, Texas. The documents for that chapter may not be online, but a hard copy of his 32nd and his chapter's death condolences are available here in the Dallas, Texas area. I'll scan them for you in case you're collecting such documents. Thanks for your interest and contributions. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 20:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Are these documents available to the general public? If not, then you can not use them to back the fact that he was a Mason. The key is that anything we add to Wikipedia has to meet the requirements of our WP:Verifiability Policy. Please review it. I would also suggest that you review the WP:No original research Policy.
On a similar note... there are similar problems with the main Cowboy Morgan Evans article... you need to provide some sources for the article. Blueboar (talk) 13:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
The source you cited is not appropriate. It needs to be an available source that clearly states that Evans was a Freemason, and furthermore a 33rd, if you want to include that. I think you really need to step back and familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies first, and then go about doing what it is you want to do in line with those policies. MSJapan (talk) 20:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Rusty... Please note that none of the objections that MSJapan and I have with your edit are personal, nor do we doubt that Evans was a Mason. This is purely about Wikipedia's standards and rules. To state a fact about someone, you must cite a source that says it. Just citing the webpage of the library where evidence can be found is not enough... you need to cite the actual document, book, webpage etc. where the information can be located. The format would be something like: "The Membership Archives of Rodeo Lodge #100 F&AM, El Paso, TX, Vol.2: 1903-1984, p. 17 (available for public view at the Scottish Rite Library, Auston TX.)" Can you see what we are asking for? Blueboar (talk) 21:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Understood. This morning I placed a couple of phone calls to the Dallas Scottish Rite office. I'm awaiting better info from them. I'll remove the link until I have better details of their documentation. Thanks for your input. I appreciate it. Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 21:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Flags: Not for use in general article prose[edit]

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags)#Not for use in general article prose

See also[edit]

Wikipedia:Guide to layout#See also

Capitalization[edit]

Please do not capitalize words that aren't proper nouns. English 101.

Pay attention: Rancher do NOT capitalize this unless the Queen of England gave him that title.

External Links[edit]

Wikipedia:External links ...more homework for you.
Paging Dr. Lang, paging Dr. Lang. I guess you didn't read the above mentioned tutorial? Here it is: External Links need to be DIRECTLY about the subject of the article. I.E.: Either an entire SITE dedicated to the what the article is about (EXAMPLE: www.ford.com in the Ford article) or a PAGE directly about the article (EXAMPLE: www.motorweek.com/ford for the Ford article). Capice? Get it. Comprendi? The external links that you added are not only NOT directly about the subject, they also make no mention of the subject. Therefor they are not applicable to that article. And, if the did mention the subject of the article, they should be used as REFERENCES and not External Links. Ignore this will be considered vandalism. ~ WikiDon (talk) 23:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Huff, Texas[edit]

The only Huff I can find is this one Huff, Texas in Archer County. Must be more a spittoon gathering place? ~ WikiDon (talk) 23:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

So, you are willing to change Limestone County to Archer County? That's fair walkin' distance. But, it does seem to make this: "Huff Community Elementary, and Wichita Falls, Texas"; make a lot more sense. The one I found in Archer County is very close to Wichita Falls. ~ WikiDon (talk) 05:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not only willing, but I'm very interested in upgrading it and other articles to whatever is true and correct. I incorrectly listed Limestone County in the initial draft of Evans based upon verbal information, but I changed it to Archer County after reading Evan's birth cirtificate. I think that small tidbits of our history are significant, I think revisionist historians do us all harm, and I think it's best for all of us to tell it like it is (was), along with the good, the bad, and the ugly. Thanks for finding the info on Huff, Texas. I appreciate it. Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 16:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Blackburn obit on Talk:7th Special Forces Group (United States)[edit]

I removed that text because it was not appropriate to that article's talk page. Please see WP:TALK. Any information about Donald Blackburn can – and should – be included there, if it isn't already. Alcarillo (talk) 19:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your editorial input and interest. I appreciate it. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 19:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

1959 invasion[edit]

Hi thanks. Its a start, I'd like to see greater research put into it so eventually there is a good article on it. Given the size of wikipedia it amazes me how much real world major content is missing. I also started Agriculture in Laos the other day which could do with updating but its better than nothing. If I could get some books on that period of Laotian-Vietnamese history I'm sure it could be expanded and structured fully. I have a very keen interest in SE Asia particularly Laos, Burma, Vietnam, Thailand and Cambodia. Unfortunately not too many editors write extensively about these countries, particularly Laos and Cambodia in the way they would with American, British or German related topics. Wow thats some record you have, looks like you've had a wonderful career with helping people. I always admire people like you who serve in the way that you did. Top stuff I bet you have thousands of stories to tell!!. Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 10:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

John Murtha[edit]

In answer to your question, I did read the reference. It was the opinion of a blogger, nothing more, and as such is irrelevant to the article. This is an encyclopedia and a WP:BLP is not the place to reprint such attacks, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. If you really believe, as you said, that "we all need to work together to provide the best NPOV possible" then it is imperative not to add editorial commentary and POV to articles (whether your own or that of some blogger). Stick to the facts and the reader can make up their own mind.--Loonymonkey (talk) 19:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
That which I wrote, and you deleted twice was:

At Jeffrey Chessani's trial, presiding Judge Steven Folsom said, "Unlawful command influence is the mortal enemy of military justice." On 23 June 2008, USMC veteran and Poet Russ Vaughn explained that the Marine Corps are actually under U.S. Navy JAG authority, and that Navy flag officers are subject to congressional review and approval of their career advancement. He also creatively explained that although Congressman Murtha at one time wore the uniform of a Marine, his history of official corruption and betrayal of the USMC motto, Simper Fidelis, serves to emphasize his personal fidelity to egocentric interests above all else.[1] Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 00:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I was away from this for a while, and particularly late on the Murtha article. I think one solution is to go to that site's source. They don't say it, but there are plenty of sources for that quote (like this one). Some may say it's still only a tenuous tie to Murtha, but you might find a better one. (It doesn't have the entire quote anyway.)
This isn't the first time that getting a universally acceptable source was a problem. Disputes should go to the RS noticeboard. I think there's a natural bias to the entire process but, unfortunately, I don't know what to do about it.
Liberals have a slight edge here, as I don't think we're as willing to stop left-wing sources. I'd prefer they keep talking. The important thing to me is that we get people on record. The far-left had also opposed involvement in WWII at one time. Most of them dropped their "anti-war" slogans when the Soviets switched sides in June 1941, and now history remembers them almost exclusively as patriotic fighters against fascism. Consequently, most of today's critics of U.S. policy will say they only oppose this war, but they'd be willing to fight if it was something like WWII. They don't even know that that's probably not true. And this is why I think it's important to get everyone on record.
-- Randy2063 (talk) 16:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
BTW: One thing that I worry about with regard to this subject is that it's still possible that Wuterich may be convicted of manslaughter. That would still make Murtha 100% wrong about his initial charges, but it's a safe bet that he would spin it so that it sounds like he was right all along. So, we've got to be careful that we don't leave him any wiggle room to say we were wrong about anything.
-- Randy2063 (talk) 18:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

References (John Murtha and Haditha incident)[edit]

1. Vaughn, Russ (2008-06-23). "The Real Command Influence". American Thinker. American Thinker. Retrieved 2008-06-25.  Check date values in: |date= (help)

July 2008[edit]

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Thanks for your input and interest. I appreciate your editing help. I've placed new draft below FYI. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 05:07, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Unlawful Confiscation of Firearms[edit]

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Image:Monsoor SEAL Tridents.jpg[edit]

An image you uploaded last month Image:Monsoor SEAL Tridents.jpg appears similar to a photo published July 4, 2008 by Fox News [3]. Fox News provides no source or credit and the image uploaded is larger in resolution than their image. If you are not the original author / photographer of this image, you should clarify the source on that page and nominate it for deletion. If you are the author, you may want to contact FNC and find out about the credit. I'd suggest finding a way to prove you actually took the photograph or it will probably be deleted. --Dual Freq (talk) 01:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest and input. I appreciate you contributions and editing. I've added text from the E. Donley article on FOXNews and changed the copyright logo on the photo to DoD, U.S. govt. I could be wrong, but since we had it first, it's possible that FOX borrowed the image from us to develop their outstanding, but brief, article. Best regards, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 15:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

"Minor edits"[edit]

You appear to have your preferences set to "mark all edits as minor". "Minor edits" are those that don't change the content of the article, like fixing typos or formatting. For more information, please see WP:MINOR. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Bruce Rusty Lang article[edit]

Help me write the Bruce Rusty Lang article. If there is sufficient information suitable for Wikipedia, I will write an article. See User talk:Dr. B. R. Lang/proposed article. Chergles (talk) 18:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your consideration and effort. I'll get some additional information and references together to add to it. I appreciate your eiditorial input and objectivity. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 20:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your effort. However, it is sorely lacking references. Has there been any news articles or even alumni news written about you? (I presume it's you). Chergles (talk) 21:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you again for your effort. I am very reluctant to edit this into mainspace in its current form. There is too much unreferenced material. Unlike an autobiography, Wikipedia requires references. If you do it, some administrator may try to block you for it. Chergles (talk) 23:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I understand, and I thank you for your effort and input. You're welcome to edit it down to whatever is better. I've added additional info knowing that it would be edited. I still intend to expand it when I find more references. The autobiogarphical excess serves as a personal template for some other work I'm doing. It's helping to jog my recollection of the chronology of distant life events. One thing I'm still looking for is ref. to when I walked out on strike with other employees for higher wages from the Dallas Morning News when I was 15 years old (I was working there underage illegally). The case went to the Supreme Court, and we won, but I was in Viet Nam by then. Thanks again! I appreciate your interest and work. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 14:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll also keep looking. Eventually, we'll have enough references to have some article. Chergles (talk) 21:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:JFKSWC award[edit]

Hi, how are you today? The problem with the JFKSWC award is that it is covered with some type of glossly substance and when you take a picture of it, the light from the camara is reflected. I'm going to try to find out how to solve this problem. Tony the Marine (talk) 17:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Intelligent design[edit]

Nuvola apps important.svg You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Intelligent design. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Ryan Delaney talk 19:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note Ryan. I didn't realize I'd reverted the links to (Category:Denialism and Category:Pseudoscience) twice on the same page. I found that some zealously sophomoric Darwinist had categorized several similar pages with the same naively pejorative POV. I had no intent of engaging in an editing war with anyone who's interested in TE. Thanks again for the note. Keep up the great work. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 20:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Sophomoric? Intelligent design is scientific denialism and pseudoscience, as verified by reliable sources. Since nearly all medicine requires biology, and one of the foundations of biology is evolution, I would have to say we (yes, I am a physician too) save lives because of modern evolutionary synthesis. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 00:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Characature of C. Darwin and true believers in the dogma of evolution
It is, indeed, sophomoric to dogmatically and religiously present the "theory of evolution" as true "science" while at the same time labeling other useful theories based upon greater evidence as "pseudoscience" and "denialism". Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 19:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh well, this isn't going anywhere. Enjoy your day. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 22:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Lang. I have to say that arguing about this in the general case isn't likely to get very far. Wikipedia works off of a neutral point of view based on reliable sources. One aspect of that is that we report what the reliable sources say whether or not we personally agree with them. Moreover, Wikipedia has an undue weight clause which severely restricts what we can say about extreme minority positions. You may wish to familiarize yourself with these policies and guidelines. If you still have objections I suggest you bring them up on the article's talk page Talk:Intelligent design. If you have any questions feel free to ask me on my talk page. JoshuaZ (talk) 04:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Corapi[edit]

I sympathize with your view of impostors. However we cannot accuse people of things without stong evidence, as found in reliable sources. If we can find such sources then there is no problem with publishing the allegation. If no such sources exist now, it may be worth your time to interest a reporter in the matter. As for speedy delete, the subject is too notable for that approach. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:Butler Family Crest.gif[edit]

This is a small matter, and not terribly important, but this image is misnamed. In heraldry, the "Crest" is the part of a coat of arms above the shield or escutcheon (heraldry). The image shows the shield, not the crest. It's a common mistake. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

You are correct. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll correct it, but please feel free to edit in the correction if you can get before me. Thanks again. Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 23:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Alan Mcilwraith[edit]

Have you seen Alan Mcilwraith? So pitiful it's almost funny, IMO. OTOH, people who use falsely claimed experience to gain credibility and trust are much worse. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Bona Fides[edit]

Whence the MD? •Jim62sch•dissera! 00:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm flattered that you ask. I earned my M.D. degree from Universided del Noreste, Tampico, Mexico, and I completed my last year of medical school in Boston, U.S.A. My U.S. clinical education was broadly based and diverse, including John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School prior to undergrad studies, The University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, Columbia Medical School in New York, Indian Health Service USPHS in Talequa, OK., and Harvard Medical School. My post graduate internship (PGY1) was in Nuevo Laredo at IMSS and the indigent "Hospital Civil". My PGY2 was in social service for the Mexican Ministry of Health in rural Tamaulipas, and PGY3-4 was as a Researh Associate with Baylor College of Medicine. Thanks for your interest. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 00:48, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

All of which makes you an expert on ID how? Quite honestly, I don't even see how it makes you an expert in physiology. BTW, what in Hades is a Christian internist, or however you phrased it? •Jim62sch•dissera! 22:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

July 2008[edit]

Information.svg Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from William T. Russell, a page you have created yourself. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, you can place a {{hangon}} tag on the page, under the existing speedy deletion tag (please do not remove the speedy deletion tag), and make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. Ros0709 (talk) 19:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of William T. Russell[edit]

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I have nominated William T. Russell, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William T. Russell. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Ros0709 (talk) 19:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Raised in haste, I'm afraid. I have withdrawn the nomination and apologise because I feel I misjudged the issue. Ros0709 (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I appreciate it. You are reallly fast! Best regards, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 21:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Removed Marburg external link from Twelve Monkeys[edit]

I've reverted your addition of Marburg as an external link to Twelve Monkeys. As another editor has noted previously, External Links need to be DIRECTLY related to the subject of the article. Neither Marburg, not any other filovirus is mentioned in the film. The causative agent is left to the imagination. As I hope you're aware, Marburg is not even a particularly good fit as human to human transmission requires contact with the blood or body fluids of an infected individual and the fictional virus in Twelve Monkeys is one that spreads through airborne transmission. This is not a suggestion to link to a more likely airborne pathogen such as F. tularensis as wikipedia still requires direct relation to the subject matter. -- Rydra Wong (talk) 08:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Rydra. You're right. Yesterday I was seeking information from the late 1970s related to the Berlin airport incident in which a highly virulent form of Marburg virus infected rhesus monkeys were reportedly left in an airport storage area by mistake, and a potentially castastrophic epidemic was serendipitously avoided by failure to ship them out from Berlin to their final destinations. I had hoped to expand upon that link in Twelve Monkeys later, when I find proper references. The link to the fictional film may be conincidental, but I'm wondering if the idea originated with, or was influenced by, the alleged Berlin airport incident. I appreciate your input and interest. Thanks! Best regards, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 15:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Organisations[edit]

Please try to fix up the pages about Global Health Outreach and allied groups that you have been editing.--I removed some speedy delete tags today, because they might individually be notable, but you need to show it. There's a fairly general rule against individual branches of a larger association unless true individual notability can be shown. I'd suggest as a first approach combining them under the overall organization. BTW, the photo you have been adding does not seem all the relevant as content--you might do well to remove it. As they stand, though I would like to defend these articles against challenge, I'd have a pretty hard time doing it successfully. One strong article might have a much better chance.

I recognize you have COI as declared on your user page. So please see our Business FAQ which is relevant to nonprofits like these as well. I could try to edit these down to one article myself, but , despite the COI, you're by far the more knowledgeable. (alternatively, expand them, if you can find really good 3rd party independent reliable published sources, print or online (but not blogs or press releases) to the individual ones.)

Please let me know if I can help. As usual, I'd advise you to add this very quickly, before it gets nominated for regular deletion.DGG (talk) 23:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest, suggestions, and help. I appreciate your advise, and your input. Please feel free to correct my errors, and I'll follow up on editing them down and fixing them too. I'm surprised at how fast some editors tag things for speedy delete. Thanks again. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 02:17, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
As the one who put speedy delete on your articles I would just like to explain why I did it so quickly. Sometimes an article gets off on the wrong foot and it would be better to start from scratch than to try to fix it up. I hate to see a situation where somebody flounders for ages trying to rescue an article that is either doomed due to the subject matter not meeting the inclusion criteria or just because it is going full steam in the wrong direction. I always feel that it is better to delete the articles quickly so as not to waste the author's time. If the subject is notable then the article can always be recreated. Where I made a mistake was in initially failing to notice that Christian Medical and Dental Associations had a prior history that was more neutral. Once I realised that, I reverted the article and set up the redirect. I see that you are now editing much more cautiously. I think that is wise. Even with the best of effort, it is nearly impossible to write neutrally on a subject you are closely involved with. What I would recommend you do next is find some external references for the article in independent reliable sources and add those. --DanielRigal (talk) 09:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your recommendations, interest, and input Daniel. I sincerely appreciate it. Best Regards, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 16:30, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Flags[edit]

Dr Lang, I noticed that, back in May, you added a picture of the Flag of Laos to the article on Lee Lue. While I acknowledge your good intentions in doing this, such decorative frills really don't fit within our style guidelines for biographies. I've removed the flag from that article, and from the one on Vang Sue; as well, if you added it to any other articles, could you be so good as to remove it?

Thanks DE. The reason I put the flag image of the Kingdom of Laos in those articles was because there are smaller flag images of the current communist government of Laos included on their bio pages. Lee Lue and Vang Sue were unhearalded hero's of the Kingdom of Laos, the Hmong people, and the foreigners who knew of them and their valient deeds. Their enemies feared and also respected their proess as aireal warriors. When I have the time I intend to include an image box for each with the flag image inside it. I appreciate your input and interest. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 17:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and as long as I have your attention... I noticed that you also changed the original assertion about Lee Lue - "flew more combat missions than any other pilot", which was what caught my eye and led me to write the article about him in the first place - to the more limited "flew more combat missions than any other pilot in Laos". While the latter is certainly notable as well, are you sure it's not also the former? (No offense intended, since it's obvious that your Laotian knowledge is far beyond mine; I just want to make sure.) DS (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

That's an outstanding observation! I did that in haste, and in a poor choice to render the article more neutral by removing the apparent hyperbole. It is probably true that Lee Lue flew more combat missions than ANY other pilot, based upon the extraordinary number of combat flying hours he logged over the many years of his flying career. However, there are a number of Soviet, German, British, American, and other flying aces who flew almost constantly during their time at war. The difference is, Lee Lue, Vang Sue, and many other Hmong pilots of the Royal Lao Air Force flew constant combat sorties during the Secret War in Laos for many more years than comparable pilots in other wars. I agree that it is possibly correct that Lt. Col. Lee Lue flew more combat missions than any pilot ever, but it shall be hard to find a reference to defend that observation as being NPOV. I didn't know them personally, but I do have an unpublished photo which I took of a T-28 fighter bomber after it crash landed into the runway barrels at Long Tieng in 1970. I'll post it later. Best regards, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 17:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Categories on your user page[edit]

I've removed the categories from the bottom of your user page. These categories are designed to go on pages in article space and by placing the on your user page you have created links from article space to user space, which is not allowed. Ros0709 (talk) 14:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

As an aside, please also see WP:NOTMYSPACE. The contents of your user page are probably in violation of that (FYI only; I am not an admin requesting any action nor am I following this up!) Ros0709 (talk) 14:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Ros. Those links only served as a template draft for an article currently being edited. The category links had previously been disabled by adding an asterisk after the lead double brackets in each category, pending completion of the final draft. That allows editors to review the applicable categores without listing the user file at each of the categories (until the asterisks are removed). I appreciate your interest and input. Thanks again. Best regards, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 15:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright violation[edit]

I have deleted File:BioScience contents page.jpg, File:BioScience Viewpoint editorial.jpg, File:BioScience RU486 Lang Turner pg1.jpg, and File:BioScience RU486 Lang Turner pg1.jpg as they are simply scans of a copyrighted magazine. Even if you are the author in question (which we cannot assume because anyone can make any claim they want on wikipedia), that still doesn't trump the fact that BioScience has the rights to the content they publish. Also, your claimed source information (i.e. "I created this work entirely by myself.") is patently false. As the masthead clearly states, multiple people were involved in the publication, from publishing, designing, and printing the work, to editing and soliciting advertising for the issue. I know copyright issues can be confusing, so I'm trying to help you understand a little better, so if you have any questions feel free to ask. Generally, if something has been published before, it is assumed to be copyright unless expressly stated as having a free license. BioScience is no exception to this rule of thumb, and therefore scans of their published works violates their copyright.

Also, I know you are claiming to be the author of these works. You added examples to two articles citing your own article. I personally think doing so is clearly a form of self-promotion and IMO unprofessional. But my opinion doesn't matter that much. What does matter is WP:COI. These edits are clearly done in a manner which is a conflict of interest. You are not neutral enough to determine if this example is notable enough to be placed in wikipedia, so I have deleted these section. Please reconsider your position in light of our conflict of interest guidelines, and if you still feel the content is appropriate, then make your proposal on the talk page and see if other editors agree with your proposal. Again, if you have any question feel free to contact me. Good luck! (and I hope this helped).-Andrew c [talk] 00:11, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm very concerned with another of your uploads, Image:Donsfa-f1-1-.jpg. You claim you created this work entirely by yourself. However, the border around the image is identical to the background of donbendell.com. It seems incredibly odd that you would add such a border around the image. It seems much more plausible that the image came from the website. Can you please explain this? Or better yet, if you entirely created the image by yourself, upload the original, full resolution photo you took of Mr. Bendell. Thanks.-Andrew c [talk] 01:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Andrew. Don Bendell gave me the photo to upload to his bio. It was his choice, but I didn't attach the appopriate copyright tag to it. Best regards, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 17:39, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Wichita Falls Times Record News 1956.jpg[edit]

Image Copyright problem

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Please do not upload images unless you are the photographer and only copyright holder. Scanning a newspaper article does not make you the author or copyright holder. Dual Freq (talk) 02:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Medical Tribune Sept 19 1991.jpg[edit]

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Image copyright problem with Image:El Diario de Nuevo Laredo 1988.jpg[edit]

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Jerome Corsi[edit]

Information.svg Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Jerome Corsi. When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the text has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. At the same time you posted this to me, I was posting the following on the Jerome Corsi talk page:
The controversy paragraph of the article is the more appropriate area to list controversial questions and criticisms. Replacing the lead sentence of this article with negative opinions of the individual, or criticisms, distorts the point of view of the whole article to one which is obviously not NPOV. Such criticism and a reference to the Irish Times criticism are significant, but let's work together to maintain NPOV and list controversies involving the individual where they are in similar biographical articles. Best regards. Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 17:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
There is nothing even remotely controversial about the straightforward description of Corsi as a conspiracy theorist. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

User page[edit]

There is a discussion pertaining to your user page at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#User:Dr._B._R._Lang if you would like to contribute. justinfr (talk) 17:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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