User talk:Felix Folio Secundus/Cornwall

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Cornwall-related discussion to 11 December 2012[edit]


Hi Felix, thank you for the additional material in the article Forrabury and Minster. There are a couple of typos you may want to go back to and if you can cite Pevsner, please add the citation.

Other similar new or revised Cornwall articles you may wish to look at include: Menabilly, Crugmeer, Lawhitton, St Breock (parish), Barcelona, Cornwall, Kennards House, Banns, Cornwall, Ball, Cornwall, Bake, Cornwall, Albaston, and Four Lanes.

Have you thought of joining WP:Cornwall? Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 09:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi again Felix, thanks for your additions to Four Lanes. Thanks, too, for the citation in the Forrabury article. Howevder, to make the citation visible, one needs to add the template { { reflist } } (but with no spaces) at the foot of the article, usually as the first item in the section 'External links'. Have another look at Forrabury and Minster and you will see the reflink as the last diff. Good work - keep it up. Best wishes, Andy F (talk)
Hi Felix, I notice you've been improving several of the Cornwall parish articles. I have just added coords to Advent, Cornwall and tidied it up but it needs further expansion (like the Forrabury article). If you can help, that'd be good. Best wishes Andy F (talk) 10:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

"Felix, you might like to...."[edit]

... consider starting new articles about the redlinked Cornish civil parishes in Template:Caradon navigation box and Template:North Cornwall navigation box. I've done a few myself and I know you have been very helpful in filling in detail on the parish articles I've contributed. All that's needed are short articles saying where the parish is, the principal settlements, the church and its coordinates and any notable features. If you have any queries, drop me a line on my talk page. Ta. Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 00:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


Thanks - don't worry about it, and I wouldn't for one moment call it vandalism! By the way - good work on Tintagel :) DuncanHill (talk) 23:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

"Fontevrault Chapel"[edit]

The ancient Saint Materianas's church and graveyard in Cornwall
Tintagel Parish Church: view of the tower and north side

Hi you have done so well with all the info on the Anglican & Methodist churches in Tintagel,I am sure you would not want to miss this out.It is in the grounds of the old vicarage which is now up for sale.I leave it to you as I tend to deal with the catholic church and info about that.You can find info at [[1]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosenthalenglish (talkcontribs) 16:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


Hi, do you have a reference for your recent entries on the lists of shipwrecks? Mjroots (talk) 13:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I've added a reference for Sarah Anderson but can't add one for Iota. If you add info to an article you need to say where you got it from. Have a look at WP:CITE for more info. Mjroots (talk) 16:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the ref for Iota, I've removed the fact tag and cleaned up the display a bit. Mjroots (talk) 10:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Re your query, I'd remove the names of the captains from the list. The sub's name is sufficient. Mjroots (talk) 15:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

St Mabyn Church[edit]

There is an error in your edit to the references here St Mabyn Parish Church but I don't know how to fix it can you help? cheers...TeapotgeorgeTalk 17:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Have got it improved and explained: seeTpGeorge's #Talk.----Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 18:55, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

St Paul the Apostle Catholic Church, Tintagel, Cornwall (prefer Roman Catholic as the Anglican Church is Anglo-Catholic)[edit]

Danke (Thanks) Felix for pointing out the spelling mistakes. Have fixed them. Father Bryan Storey himself fixed the rest for me as spelling is not my greatest point.Rosenthalenglish (talk) 16:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

replied at RE's talkpage/----Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 18:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Panorama of Tintagel Castle

John Coulson Tregarthen[edit]

I see you ordered his list of works in alphabetical order. These should be in chronological order, as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists of works), so I've changed them. Thanks (talk) 15:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Duchy of Cornwall[edit]

I note that you have added this image to Red-billed Chough. I've removed the forced image size since it overrides user preferences, and trimmed the caption to remove material irrelevant to the article. Could you please add alt text? Since it's an FA, new images should conform to the FA requirements. I'm not convinced about the licensing. If it's the current arms, I suspect it's not allowed for commercial use. I'll get back to you on that. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


File:Cornwall Council.gif is copyright, but is licensed as "fair use" in the Cornwall Council article. That's fine, but it can't be used elsewhere, and certainly not in a bird article. The Duchy image was claimed as PD, which it clearly isn't, and can't be used at all - certainly not in a featured article - that why I got the FAC image assessor, Jappalang (whose comment is above yours) to check. The Becket coat of arms is OK, because it was his individual arms. As a priest he had no descendants, so any copyright has long since lapsed. Many COA images get through on dubious licenses, but have no chance at FA Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

contd at Jimfbleak jul 26 09

Copyright on Wikipedia is a nightmare, not least because GFDL permits commercial use, so you can't upload on an education/Wikipedia only/non-commercial basis. This means that trademarks and logos can only be used under a "fair use" licence in an article closely related to the image. It's unlikely that organisations would give up their rights to the company images. In practice, many images are uploaded in good faith which probably shouldn't be, but in high profile featured articles like the chough page, they are certain to be challenged. I came across, in Northern Bald Ibis, a situation in which a phots of a 4000 year-old Egyptian hieroglyph was free use, but a similar one of a shallow relief was the copyright of the photographer because the object was technically three-dimensional Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

incidentally, a bot changed your posting of the image on my page to a link, because a talk page is not a fair use!!! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
It's a pity about Cornwall, because a good deal of work has been done on it, but a combination of under-referencing and its obvious lack of neutrality means that it has no chance at GAN or FAC Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


Track leading to the barytes mine at White Coppice

I work on the Cornish pages quite a lot but there are very few really good ones in WP Cornwall and not many in class B I think. There are a few editors who keep trying to remove "England" when it comes after Cornwall: and the Constitutional history of Cornwall and Duchy of Cornwall articles are a problem as well. I suppose copying Cornish choughs onto another page within Cornwall is ok because they did not disappear afterwards but the County Council arms has more restrictions on use. --Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 23:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice: I have not had problems with any of these editors in my own work but of course the PageHistory and PageDiscussion shows up while I am having a go at something. There are only about 20 members and there is a consensus over the use of Cornwall, England or Cornwall, UK /Cornwall, United Kingdom. Then somebody goes and edits a Cornwall page and adds something useful but gets rid of 'England' or changes 'County of Cornwall' to 'Duchy of Cornwall' which does not describe the present situation. I wouldn't want to keep tabs pn pages as some editors to like to do because they upgraded it in the past they want to revert some of the new content. (I have had that happen in some WP Devon articles (I am not a member of that one but the early history of the area is very similar up to the 11th century). As far as I can see Cornwall is getting along quite well but I get reverting sometimes within Devon without explanation from one editor whow supervises the Category:Plymouth. I have no stored images to put in and use and have done nothing in Commons yet but search the odd time. Any advice you can provide? (There is a really good article at Breage which failed the promotion process).--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Cornish people[edit]

New version under construction at User:Jza84/Sandbox5 Jul 2009

This looks interesting Folio Secundus (talk) 07:56, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


I'm doing some work on a possible merged article covering Dumnonia, Kingdom of.., etc., at User:Ghmyrtle/sandbox6. I'd welcome your thoughts. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I have read through a recent version and it looks good. About Slaughterbridge there is also an idea that the battle of Gafulford was there. I wonder whether the hundred divisions of Cornwall are relevant as they could be interpreted as three petty kingdoms: Trigg, Wivel (under a lost Cornish name) and the western territory which was perhaps divided into four by Athelstan. The main problem of course is the lack of reliable facts and sketchy archaeology.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 07:05, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I've now put it up as the article, so further comments / changes are obviously welcome. I don't know enough about the Cornish hundreds, so if you have relevant info please add it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:55, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
PS- thanks for improving the reference formats - not my strong point! Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:27, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks (copied from my talk page) DuncanHill[edit]

Thanks for all you have done, you really have contributed a great deal to Wikipedia, and I for one am profoundly grateful. I'm not on all that much now for a combination of reasons - partly financial and partly to do with the site itself, but will always be lurking round from time to time. DuncanHill (talk) 25 Jul 09

Arthur stone[edit]

The problem is that we can't just direct our readers to an anonymous posting on a Wikipedia talk page as if it were a reliable source of information. We have several policies speaking specifically against this, including Verifiability and No original research. I don't think the Arthurian legend is any harder to deal with than any other area, one just has to make sure to use good sources and attribute their claims correctly.--Cúchullain t/c 16:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

WP Cornwall / Admin[edit]

I have now seen what happened to Kodaly's eLinks and the article as a whole looks better: when I first saw it there were other problems as well. Even good articles can get better if studied from different viewpoints and modified a bit: perhaps then it will get noticed and upgraded some more. In Jan 2009 someone made an entry saying he was a leading 20th century composer and even now it is fairly modest as such articles go. Many of the projects seem to be under-resourced and they cannot work on everything all at once. Considered as a whole Cornwall articles are of a higher standard than much of the what is there for Devon: of course Exmoor, Dartmoor, Exeter, Plymouth and Torbay get impressive coverage but the area and population is greater for Devon. Cornwall tends to have places which are interesting for aspects which general standards do not fit very well. I am trying to do less editing for a while. It is not a good thing just carrying on as if it has to been done because it was not quite perfect. There are lots of things I do not understand about this project: you would think that the members' user pages would have some level of protection from other users in the way that controversial political figures do, perhaps at a higher level than this. I am not sure how important it is to have Sir John Maclean upgraded (obviously including him in Blisland is not theoretically correct but it does something more than make enquirers give up and do a WWW search. This account and the ones in DNB may be the only ones there are. (From here I can only get Oxford DNB Index entries not the full text as many other editors must have.)--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 11:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I can email ODNB articles to you if you like, as I have full online access with my library card, just ask! I agree that many of the wikiprojects are under-resourced - it's hard to know how to improve this at the moment. Cornwall does benefit from both a strong county identity and its major rôle in Britain's industrial development. It attracts the local historians, industrial historians, geologists and Celticists, so there is a wider range of interests and expertise applied to it than to some other places. DuncanHill (talk) 11:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Cornish Choughs[edit]

This would make a good stand-alone article, there's lots of material, but for the main article I had to leave much of it out to maintain balance. You might get away with a fair use of the council arms to illustrate the article. If there are persistent offenders edit-warring on Cornish articles, let me know. As an uninvolved admin, I am quite prepared to warn or block editors, or protect pages as appropriate Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, like I said, you don't have to tolerate unexplained reversions. I assume you mean Breage, Cornwall. It's under-referenced, rather short, no history and half of it's about Ashton. If you are aiming to upgrade any particular page to GA, or work up Cornish Chough, I'll do what I can to advise. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
It is not #Breage# the one it should be is #St Burian# (of course Breage is nowhere near good). St Burian was a very strong candidate from the record of the process but what I am doing is very diverse, rather than take over North Cornwall and climb the ladder towards rated articles. Another thing or things was going wrong with #Zoltan Kodaly# that got rv for Vandalism I DoNotKnow How. It looked like a real editor behaving like a #Bot# I'll just stay away from the Plymouth area and not add anything constructive to it from now on.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 06:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
St Buryans had a fairly tough GA assessment, but should copyedited and submitted again, it's obviously thereabouts. I think the rollback was probably due to the admin seeing your rather strange "zzzzzz" edit summary and assuming vandalism without checking the edit - can't see any other reason Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments re Kodaly, Plymouth, and Tintagel[edit]

The composer article seems fine now. Plymouth is good enough for "good article", but actually failed at the much higher standard of FA.

I looked at Tintagel and amended the headings and images. I don't think the image you have chosen is suitable, since it also shows Alpine Chough, which doesn't occur in the UK. Any of the images at Red-billed Chough would be OK, they are all correctly licensed for use on Wikipedia. Image:Eucharisticrenewalphoto.jpg is not correctly licensed. The person releasing it as public domain does not have the same name as the artist, and presumably is not the holder of the copyright. If the uploader photographed the painting, he should say so and use the {{PD-Art}} tag Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Emigration to Wales[edit]

There was some emigration of Cornish miners to South Wales. Robert Morton Nance is a notable example of one born in Wales to Cornish parents.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Do we have a source? Evidence of the size of migration? --Jza84 |  Talk  19:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I do not know of a source: Hamilton Jenkin's The Cornish Miner would be a place to look but I do have the book. The reliance of Cornwall on Wales for the smelting of ores is certainly documented.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 13:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
This shows that there are two associations of Welsh Cornish people: Folio Secundus (talk) 13:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm just concerned that we need only mention regions that have "significant" migrant populations. No doubt there are Cornish people in India and Scotland, but I don't know how large or notable that may be in terms of reporting on the article. --Jza84 |  Talk  16:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I did mean to say "do not have the book": I would not put anything in now, I was following up the discussion re Tim Saunders above.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Recent discussion on Cornwall[edit]

The previous consensus seemed the best compromise to me but it is always liable to be disputed by some who think like British Watcher. No-one will ever know how many people born in Cornwall or resident in Cornwall think of themselves as Cornish, English or British or partly one and partly another. Even though I was born in Cornwall I do not think of myself as Cornish in the way people whose whole ancestry is Cornish (mine being from England). The new Cornish people article seems to have been a success so far.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 13:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the current wording of the para under discussion is a long way from perfect - but my suggestions to improve it just seem to lead to comments from the usual suspects that would leave it even worse than it is now. So, the "compromise" is to leave it as it is, I suppose.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Camborne Town Band[edit]

See Sandbox--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

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Type localities in Cornwall[edit]

Hi Felix, thanks for your message - and for all your good work. I've had User:DuncanHill/Cornwall type localities undeleted, I'm glad that you have found it useful. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 11:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Alison Treganning[edit]

To Moonraker2: Thank you for your response: it looks as if the original creation of this as an article was misguided. I think your work on offical records proves at least that whatever was in circulation in 2006 has at the least been misrepresented. "Fluent Cornish" is a vague claim: without other speakers the extent of her knowledge is impossible to estimate even if there was such a person. I am not sure what should happen to the article history and the Talk page for it.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, I suppose, Alison Treganning would be unlikely to survive an AfD, but for now I see no harm in leaving the redirect (with page history) and the Talk page where they are. If both were deleted, then perhaps the contents of the Talk page could be moved somewhere else. Moonraker2 (talk) 21:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Mining in Cornwall and Devon[edit]

Hi Felix, there are a couple of broken refnames in the table of mine railways in Mining in Cornwall and Devon - they have refnames but no associated actual reference. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 00:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

The guide to referencing is at WP:CITE - I have an addition to my editing toolbar which makes it a lot easier, I'll try to find where I got it and let you know how to add it. I used to practice references in my sandbox till I got used to them.
If you let me know which article the table came from I could have a look and try to fix the refs for you if you like. DuncanHill (talk) 18:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
The toolbar extension is documented at User:Mr.Z-man/refToolbar - you can add it as a gadget through the "my preferences" link at the top of any page when you are logged in. I find it incredibly helpful. DuncanHill (talk) 18:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Kings of Cornwall (Early British Kingdoms)[edit]

Hey Felix, per Dougweller's request I have responded to your question at his talk page here.--Cúchullain t/c 13:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

You have said that "Early British Kingdoms" is not a reliable source: what would you recommend should used instead? Would printed books referring to saints and kings be generally more reliable? --Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 17:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi Felix. Doug has asked me to consider your question. There have been several discussions about David Nash Ford's Early British Kingdoms site and similar ones, (here, here, and especially here) and the general consensus has been that they are not reliable sources. Among the problems with "EBK" are that the author(s?) does not indicate where material in the articles is coming from. As such material taken from historical sources is syncretized with stuff taken from literature or folklore and presented as if it were all true. I would not say that printed books are inherently any better; as with anything you really have judge whether they're "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". Depending on what you're writing about, John Edward Lloyd's History of Wales, John Davies' A History of Wales, and John Koch's Celtic Encyclopedia are good sources, and will include some good stuff on early Cornish history.--Cúchullain t/c 20:56, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Gorseth Kernow[edit]

FFS said: In Constantine Vanessa Beeman is a former Grand Bard but the Gorseth Kernow page does not have the name of her successor.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Vernon's reply - try Gallery of Grand Bards Vernon White . . . Talk 18:09, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

List of Monastic Houses[edit]

{{helpme}} An attempt to add another entry (see below) to the table in this article has failed but I cannot work out why; also when I tried to edit the lead section the complete text did not appear.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:11, 28 January 2010 (UTC) There is a List of monastic houses in Cornwall which I have tried and failed to edit as the table is set up in a complex way. ==Bodmin== The Roman Catholic Abbey of St Mary and St Petroc, formerly belonging to the Canons Regular of the Lateran was built in 1965 next to the already existing seminary.[1]--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 11:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Adding this went wrong in some way.

|- |rowspan=2|Abbey of St Mary and St Petroc, Bodmin |rowspan=2| |rowspan=2|Canons Regular of the Lateran[2] |rowspan=2| |- --Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC) Another problem there is that the grammar of the introduction is slightly wrong but that paragraph does not appear when I try to edit it. I have also been unable to solve the problem of refs 36 & 37 on the Mining in Devon and Cornwall page. If you can help I would be grateful.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 07:59, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you for trying on these problems. Tables like that make it more difficult for many users to keep them up-to-date. Perhaps copying the text for the source article into MS Word would make a word search possible on the refname. Thank you.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 12:22, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  1. ^ Pevsner, N. (1970) Cornwall, 2nd ed. Penguin Books.
  2. ^ Pevsner, N. (1970) Cornwall, 2nd ed. Penguin Books.

Hi Felix, I've tried to add the details to the table, but can't make it work properly. I'm not terribly good at tables like that, you might be better of asking at the Help desk or Village pump.

As for the references in the Mining Article, I'll try again but unfortunately the refnames used are rather obscure, and the only way I can think of to find them is to read through the whole of the originating article (I think it was the Industrial railways one) in the edit box until I can find them.

Sorry that's not much help! DuncanHill (talk) 12:02, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


Please see above--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 12:34, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

  • I've fixed the refs in the mining article! DuncanHill (talk) 12:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • The lead section can be found at Template:MonasticHouses Abbreviations&Key England, as for the table - urgh. All those "rowspan=2", I assume just so the final column can be two lines. Personally I would re-write it with one extra column and remove all those rowspan lines, it's just a recipe for disaster...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:08, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • I presume this is what you wanted? If not, please replace the {{helpme}} templates. Intelligentsium 03:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


Thanks Felix - shortcrust is traditional, but of course nowadays there is a lot of variation. Sorry to hear about your access problems, I hope they are sorted soon. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 13:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Delabole map issue you raised[edit]

Hi Felix Folio Secundus, you recently commented about the infobox map positioning on the talk page of the Delabole article.

Please visit Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cornwall#Problem_with_co-ords_displaying_on_infobox_map and comment further.

Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 23:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


Hi Felix, I noticed you redirected the article on Bodream Manor to St Erme where it was relegated to a passing down-page mention. Bodrean is notable enough to warrant its own article – certainly as notable as many places in the List_of_places_in_Cornwall. If we started merging them all it would undermine the WP:Cornwall intent to document the county in detail. There may be interesting material to add to the Bodrean article by an editor in future so the page should retain its independent existence. Andy F (talk) 10:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Also, I will add to the article some info about neighbouring Frogmore and its bridge across the Trevella Stream then create a new page Frogmore as a redir to Bodrean Andy F (talk) 11:42, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
OK Felix, I've added the info on Frogmore, given a grid ref and uploaded and placed a photo. I've created a new page Frogmore, Cornwall as a redir. Andy F (talk) 12:14, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Canworthy Water[edit]

Hi Felix, just to let you know that the page you created at Canworthy Water as a redirect to Warbstow now is an article about Canworthy Water in its own right. The new article links to and mentions Warbstow CP. You may wish to expand it (and also expand the new article about Pensilva). Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 11:38, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi Felix, I have been editing the article about Herodsfoot. I've sorted the lead, copy-edited, and added some refs. But there is unsourced and rather confusing material about the one-time parish and the church. As those are subjects you are interested in and know a lot about please would you kindly improve that section of the article. Thank you, Andy F (talk) 14:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Well done, Felix – thank you very much. Andy F (talk) 17:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


Good work on the Grampound article, Felix – thank you Andy F (talk) 18:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

List of shipwrecks in 1911[edit]

The Angele ref weblink comes up as a 404. I don't think the refimprove template is really necessary with just the one entry not referenced. Other entries are either referenced, or verifiable by the linked article. Mjroots (talk) 09:00, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Cornish cuisine[edit]

User:Mammal4/sandbox/Cuisine of Cornwall--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 08:02, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Crugmere and Condolden[edit]

Hi Felix, thanks for your message. I have now corrected the spelling at Crugmeer. Also, I have added (and double-checked) the coords for Condolden. Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 10:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi Felix, the article on Lanivet is shaping up well. The two paragraphs under 'Notable buildings and antiquities' has some good stuff - but it needs citation. That looks as if it may be up your street – can you dig out some references for the info please? Best wishes Andy F (talk) 11:29, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Excellent work Felix – thank you. Andy F (talk) 14:23, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi Felix, your efforts on improving WP:Cornwall articles deserve recognition. Andy F (talk) 21:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

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For the very many conscientious minor edits, improvements and expansions you've contributed to WP:Cornwall articles Andy F (talk) 21:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Brian of Brittany[edit]

Brian is mentioned under Eudes: "*Brian († 1072), who defeated a second raid in the southwest of England, launched from Ireland by Harold's sons in 1069. Brian participated in the conquest of England and afterwards held the honor of Richmond, died without issue." Elsewhere it is said that he led the Normans at the Battle of Exeter and was granted lands in Cornwall by William I. Please let me know where I can find more detailed information on his life.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 06:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

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Parishes on The Lizard[edit]

Hi Felix, hope all is well with you. I notice that you and I have coincidentally been working on parishes on (or near) The Lizard. I have done a sketch map and list of the parishes on the peninsula – these are intended to augment the article The Lizard.

Before my text and map go into the article, I wonder if you would be so kind as to cast your expert eye over the work please. I have roughed it out in my sandbox here User:Andy_F/Sandbox#Civil_parishes_on_The_Lizard. Please check my text and the map (you can click it to enlarge it}.

Please leave any comments (or just an 'OK') on my talk page. Many thanks, best wishes Andy F (talk) 08:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Lizard parishes:- Hello, I hope you do not object to the editing, like everything else here it can be reverted. I think St Keverne is east of Landewednack so the order changes. It looks to me like two rows of areas going west to east. The map looks good though I do not know the detail of the civil parish boundaries (they will probably be different in some ways from the historic parishes which began to be modified in the 19th century). A map of the ecclesiastical parishes in 1877 appears at the end of the Cornish Church Guide. 'Manaccan' is misspelled on the map. (I also noted at Slaughterbridge that the map had 'Tregue' while the article has 'Treague'. I do not know whether this can be changed.) Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Felix, I've done substantial reworking on the Lizard parishes map and text here. I'd appreciate your opinion again please – leave comments on my talk page as before. Thanks, Andy F (talk) 07:30, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi Felix, I followed the links from the map and found it is one of a series by User:Bohemian Arcade. You can find them at the bottom of his user page. I don't want to just weigh in and start adapting his maps so I suggest that you leave him a message suggesting he add major settlements to all his maps. Let me know if you do and I'll add my sixpen'th. Andy F (talk) 06:35, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, Felix, just a note to let you know I've converted your redirect at Malpas, Cornwall into a new article.
Also, I just tidied-up the Manaccan parish article – it seems a bit bald to me so maybe you can add a bit more info on the parish? Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 10:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
On a similar tack, the article on Marhamchurch also seems a bit sketchy. I've tidied it up and added a photo – do you want to have a look from the parish point of view? Andy F (talk) 18:04, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi Felix, I've only just noticed that (some while back) you substituted a redirect to St Columb Major for an existing article on Ruthvoes.

I am reverting it to the stand-alone article (which I will improve shortly). Let me explain my reasoning (the points apply to other Cornwall-related redirects too).

Firstly, as a generality, Wikipedia's coverage of Cornwall is better served if villages, even small ones, have discrete articles. Obviously sometimes this is inapropriate – for instance, the two adjoining farmstead hamlets of Higher Lank and Lower Lank are united in the article Lank, Cornwall.

Such exceptions aside, distinct settlements which are marked on the OS maps meet the Wikipedia:Notability criteria. This has been discussed in WP:Cornwall (and in other places) at various times.

Also, where no article exists for a place, there is sometimes a case for a redirection to an appropriate article. But where an article exists already, even as a stub, there needs to be a good reason for replacing it with a redirect.

Secondly, it is important that readers are not left 'in the air' by a redirect. That means adhering to the principle of least astonishment (see this item). Readers need to know they have arrived at the correct page to read about the subject they searched for. So unless there's a blindingly obvious connection (alternative title spelling for instance) the subject of the redirection should appear (preferably in bold) in the lead or second paragraph. In the case of Ruthvoes, that is not so: the first mention is well down the page in the section on rivers – then there are a couple more mentions, none in bold.

I accept, of course, that if the reader has followed a redirect it will be indicated at the top of the page – but that in itself offers no explanation and does not satisfy principle of least astonishment.

On a slightly different tack, even though Ruthvoes is in the parish of St Columb, it's actually much nearer to Indian Queens so it could be argued that it could just have easily redirected there.

To sum up, the fewer redirects the better; improving or expanding a stub is preferred to converting it to a redirect, and in those few cases where a redirect is necessary, the principle of least astonishment should be followed.

The foregoing is explained in detail in the article Wikipedia:Redirect.

All the best as always, Andy F (talk) 19:15, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi again Felix, thanks for your reply to my talk page. I take your points and agree with you. I also feel quite strongly that Seven Bays needs attention and it is on my 'to do' list – if you want to edit it as well, so much the better. Hope your computer issues get sorted. Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 07:47, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Mithian and Mount Hawke[edit]

Hi Felix, just a quick courtesy note to let you know I have replaced the redirect Mithian with an article on the village. At the same time I moved the article Mount Hawke and Mithians back to Mount Hawke. Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 23:10, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Mount Hawke and Mithian:- Hello, I have been sorted out as far as computing problems go; there is a way round what made it seize up recently. I have been trying to remember about the time when some of those redirects were created; it was impossible to be familiar with the regulations in detail and no-one complained about them at the time. I was also reluctant to create short articles because they need very good references to avoid concerns about notability and quality. At least whatever account I inserted would be subject to word searching and perhaps other editorial work would follow from that. I was also working from sources which tend to group coverage at the parish level and cover a period pf many hundred years when the distribution of settlements was very different from that of the present day. However the articles are addressing potentially a diverse range of readers so they need balance as well. If it was nine-tenths history and one tenth current information it would still be at the stub level. I see you are making good use of Genuki in some of these new articles (under Crowan you took it out of the External links though, not sure why). Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Felix, thanks for your further message about Mount Hawke on my talk page. I'm glad to hear your computer is sorted.
I certainly wasn't complaining about the redirects, just pointing out the principle of least astonishment. When you say that your sources are slanted towards the parish level over hundreds of years, I think that is a great strength – certainly I value your expertise in that area. I take your point that if an article is mostly historical it might not meet the needs of the more general reader but I think the history information is key to any article about a town or village or man-influenced landscape. So thank you for the very good work that you do.
Regarding Genuki, I do not usually include its pages as an external link if I have used it (with a link) in a reference. With 'external Links' I tend to follow WP:ELNO and err towards fewer rather than more links. Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 20:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


Excellent, Felix – well done. I noticed the lack of Meneage when editing other articles. Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 21:57, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

New parish councils list[edit]

List of parishes / local councils

Hi Felix, I have recently compiled (from the official list on the Cornwall Council website) a new list of Cornwall's current civil parishes with parish, town or city (Truro only) councils. It is here: User:Andy F/Sandbox2.

The list is intended to either replace entirely, or to supplement and update in parallel, this list: List of civil parishes in Cornwall .

Please have a look, check the entries, and let me know what you would prefer – replace or supplement?

Best wishes as ever, Andy F (talk) 19:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. I've replied on this matter on the WP:Cornwall talk page. It might be easier to keep discussions there for consistency. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 23:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Good point, Zangar – Felix, the discussion has started there. Andy F (talk) 06:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Felix, re discussion of the parishes list on various talk pages, can you either reply at Talk: WP Cornwall or at least copy your replies there so that the discussion is accessible in one place. Ta. Andy F (talk) 05:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Hundreds & Brewster sessions[edit]

Hi Felix, my comment about hundreds was just a throwaway joke - while of great historical importance I don't think they would be suitable as a navigational aid nowadays. Brewster sessions are the court sessions when magistrates issue licences for pubs - I think that the areas used for this are based on the hundreds. DuncanHill (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Good work ...[edit]

... on Grampound, St Issey and Helland. Well done, Felix. Andy F (talk) 07:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

David Tyacke[edit]

Hi Felix, just wanted to tell you that I've created an article on David Tyacke. DuncanHill (talk) 14:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


Hi Felix, ready to move on this. Your opinion please. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cornwall#Updating_parishes_and_local_councils Andy F (talk) 16:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

De Lank River map (Crowdy)[edit]

Hi Felix:

One of your maps on the Bodmin Moor page has the spelling "Cowdy"; hope you can change it. Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus

Thanks for pointing that out – well spotted. I had a look and realised that the map has been superceded by my later one of the R Camel and tributaries. So, in the context of Bodmin Moor, the fourth map is superfluous and I've removed it. The only other place that the mis-spelt map appears was in the article De Lank River and even there it was not as informative as the later map so I replaced it. That left it linked to no pages so I have nominated it for deletion at Commons. All the best, Andy F (talk) 13:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


Hi Felix, hope you are well. I see you've been busy - good work!

Two small points if I may. Firstly, you marked the article on Bojewyan as {{unreferenced}} . In fact it has a reference, the OS map. So I've removed the tag. The more apposite tag in such cases would be {{refimprove|date=month year}}. But to be honest in these very short stubs it is not really appropriate because if there's a map ref to verify the location then no other refs are to be found. By the way, it's helpful to add the date (separated by a pipe) to tags.

The other issue is postcodes. The District is the smaller unit (such as TR19) and the Area is the larger (such as TR): see List of postcode areas in the United Kingdom and List of postcode districts in the United Kingdom.

Best wishes Andy F (talk) 11:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you for the advice. The postcode error is just carelessness as I filled in the wrong one first. Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 12:02, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Domesday in Cornwall[edit]

Hi Felix, thank you very much for the info on my talk page - most useful.

Yes, you are right to suspect I've been on holiday. Two holidays, in fact! I spent a week in Northumberland (mostly birdwatching including boat trips to the Farne Islands). I also went to a secondhand bookshop in Northumberland (Barter Books in Alnwick) and managed to find a pristine Cornwall Pevsner (second edition) which has made fascinating reading. Much of the time I walked on the coastal paths and beaches.

After that I caught up with work for a few days before chucking my tent in the car, whistling up the dog then heading down to Cornwall for a long weekend. I spent a few hours each day on the beach (Polzeath, Harlyn, Constantine) but most of the time I was walking the SW Coast Path. I did Porthcothan to Constantine one afternoon, Constantine to Harlyn round Trevose the next morning, and also walked to The Rumps from Port Quinn. I adore north Cornwall! Because I was camping I left the Nikon at home (not much security in a tent) but will be back in Cornwall in August and hope to photograph some more churches.

Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 09:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Cornwall edits[edit]

Hi, I can't see a signing in your Cornwall talk page edits - is that because they are not signed, or do you have a way of generating a signing that doesn't link back to you? If the latter, why do you do that out of interest? It's a bit strange... Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 06:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:SIGN, your signature should link to either your user page or talk page at minimum. Please fix this. Mjroots (talk) 18:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Says unsigned unknown user! Seriously though Felix, can you fix this please, it is actually quite annoying for other editors. Many thanks. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 12:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


Contemporary newspapers are likely to be the best source to verify this one. Mjroots (talk) 11:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

If you can access the old newspapers (Cornwall Library Service?), at that date they were generally 8 or 12 pages max, so it's not too onerous. Front page was generally all adverts, with the real news starting on p2. Mjroots (talk) 08:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Tremenheere, and Ludgvan[edit]

FYI, T[r]emenheere means "Standing Stone Farm" (Tre = place/farm, Menhir = standing stone) - I am sure that it should be some reference book somewhere, but the reason I know it to be true is because my landlord told me. I lived at that farm between 1992 and 1997, together with the woman who is now my wife, and I knew the woods and fields found in the reference very well. Thanks for bringing back some very fond memories. Mark. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


Hello. I'm sorry if it seemed like I changed the ref in a huff, I just noticed the change and I've done quite a bit of work on the article so wanted all the refs on the page to follow the same style, even the book ref. That's a reccomendation from a wikiproject though, although I know the page isn't in line for any promotions but I have found when using the simple version, on a GA and FA nom, ref check, the nominators always ask for it to be rectified for verifaction for other who do not know about book search via google. I suppose it's up to you though. RAIN..the..ONE HOTLINE 20:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in South West England[edit]

Hi, Thanks for your edit to St Anthony's Church, St Anthony in Roseland. I noticed you added the WikiProject Anglicanism banner - should this go on all the churches listed at List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in South West England which I put up yesterday - any other comments/edits on that list would also be appreciated.— Rod talk 09:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

The List of churches is an excellent piece of work. I think adding WP Anglicanism is optional, it would apply in principle to any church building used by Anglicans since the Reformation. Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 10:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I've added WP Anglicanism to all the CCT churches.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:45, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

page move title St Anthony's Church, St Anthony in Roseland[edit]

Hi did you spot my comment on the talk page of St Anthony's Church, St Anthony in Roseland about your page move? St Anthony in Roseland is no longer a parish.— Rod talk 14:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Sorry, I did not see that earlier. I was thinking of old ecclesiastical parishes and the plain 'Roseland' seemed unusual. I do not think 'Gerrans' should be in the article name.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 14:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


Thank you for your patient and helpful corrections and improvements to articles on Cornwall that I have initiated, most recently Enys family of Enys in Cornwall and Fore Street. Vernon White . . . Talk 13:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Alexander Neville[edit]

I think you've got Alexander Neville mixed-up with someone else. As far as it is known he was never an archdeacon of Cornwall. -- Scrivener-uki (talk) 16:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

The category was based on an entry in List of Archdeacons of Cornwall: *1361-71 Alexander Neville[1] However I do not have access to ODNB to verify it.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 17:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
  1. ^ Dobson, R. B. "Neville, Alexander". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/19922.  (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)
I'd just finished striking-out my earlier comment and added another, before saving them, you replied to earlier one. Give me a moment to add the second comment again. -- Scrivener-uki (talk) 17:23, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I think you may be right. I read Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1300-1541: volume 9: Exeter diocese, Archdeacons of Cornwall and there were five candidates between 1349 and 1371 (de Harewell, de Cusantia, David, de Newton, and de Neville), but it is unclear who held the archdeaconry and those who tried to get possession of it. -- Scrivener-uki (talk) 17:31, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

List of people from Cornwall[edit]

Explained. The list shouldn't begin with "this is a list of..." but I can't think of a better intro. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 22:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

See further editing by Cymru-lass--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 12:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


I appreciate your desire to ensure Wikipedia has appropriate references, but TBH I'm not convinced of the value of the noref tags you added to the Tremaen article. It's only a paragraph and a line, and has a reference to where I found all that. Could I ask you either to find more material yourself or delete the tag anyway? It looks daft having a tag almost as large as the article. --Phil Holmes (talk) 21:08, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I've noted the changes you've made and think this improves the article. Thanks for this. --Phil Holmes (talk) 12:21, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Anglo-Cornish[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

You have a message[edit]

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List of Archdeacons of Cornwall[edit]

Hullo! Thanks so much for these edits to List of Archdeacons of Cornwall. Thanks doubly for citing a source for them. However, I've no idea what CCEd is – would you mind terribly citing the work fully, please? Cheers DBD 09:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


Sorry, I'm not very involved with the Russian or Ukrainian Wikipedia. You might want to contact one of the English-speaking admins there; ru:User:Obersachse comes to mind.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 23, 2011; 19:48 (UTC)

Cliff Castles[edit]

Always been interested in looking at cliff castles when out walking and until reading The Archaeology of the Scilly had not realised that they were of national importance. Mainly found in North Devon, Cornwall and IoS. Thinking of doing an article but as well as a list it would be better if a map was included as the main focus, with co-ordinates and eventually photographs. Just tried to copy the Cornwall map used on Wikipedia but cannot copy it onto a page in order to start the article. Is it feasible? Jowaninpensans (talk) 08:46, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Cornish heraldry[edit]

See User:Bodrugan/Sandbox--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:46, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


That's what I've been doing :) just upholding the guideline. Administratively Cornwall is part of England and that's all I add, "Cornwall UK" is unacceptable and misleading. Nowhere does "England" being in the lede imply anything cultural, linguistic or actually, political. I also only make changes it if I see it's been removed in the past. I know I'm going to annoy a few nationalists but hey, if they ask me they'll know I have nothing against the Cornish, or any of there er, goals. And I'm simply upholding guidelines. --Τασουλα (talk) 18:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Samuel Prideaux Tregelles[edit]

My response to your question is at User_talk:Vernon39#Samuel_Prideaux_Tregelles Vernon White . . . Talk 21:42, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

St Merryn[edit]

The Parish Church, St Merryn - - 1629350.jpg Cornish history barnstar
Thanks for helping me sort though the Toponymy (new word for me this week) of St Merryn! I'm not sure how close I got, but I wouldn't have even made it at all without your help! CaroleHenson (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Cornwall Barnstar.png The Cornish Barnstar of Diligence
For your efforts to add to a lot of small Cornish settlements. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:06, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


Yeah, it twasn't a good idea to stub them all, I took for granted they were all settlements as such but a lot appear to be farms. I'm all for coverage of tiny hamlets/farms which only appear on OS maps like Goldsland as I think it makes us more valuable as a resource, but only of course if sources can be found. I think a lot of the farms should probably be redirected to nearby villages. I've created Category:Farms in Cornwall anyway, might have missed some from the geography cat, if you could catch those I'd be grateful. Always open to working with you on any expansion of any Cornwall article, sure Gilderien and Rosiestep would also be keen. Just let me know what you want to work on! Regards♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Cornwall discussion 2013[edit]

An old edit to Cornwall[edit]

Hi Felix. I've been making a few edits to Cornwall with the aim of tidying it up a bit and I note that in this edit (back in 2009), you added a chunk of text that included two inline Harvnb citations without the linking references. I think the Harvey 2002 one comes from Sport in Cornwall, but I can't locate the Clegg 2005 one. Any chance that you could re-locate those refs and fix them in the Cornwall references section, please?  —SMALLJIM  00:02, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

I have added details of Clegg and Harvey.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 17:11, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much - hope the digging wasn't too onerous!  —SMALLJIM  17:31, 29 January 2013 (UTC)


Just to let you know, I've reverted an old edit of yours[2] - I've no idea why you added this but it wasn't in Domesday or chartered before Elizabeth gave it a charter. Dougweller (talk) 13:51, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

The information came from Oldest town in Britain.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 13:59, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Cornwall[edit]

See User talk:Smalljim--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 11:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)