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Re: Your band[edit]

It isn't my band. And they're in the process of a record deal so I figured it'd be worth putting them up here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by STiLL DRE (talkcontribs) 20:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

poor judgement[edit]

You mentioned a case of a former admin who had bad judgement and is no longer an admin. What are some examples of bad judgement involved in this case. The name isn't important. I'm more interested in the events. Archtransit (talk) 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Bad blocks and poor communication are the major things that stick in my memory about that case. Bad blocks are the single biggest drama-causing action we tend to get around here. Relating this back to your current situation.. the thing I find most concerning about your case is that you apparently continue to not see what the problem is here. Do you honestly believe that your mistake was not giving special treatment to an admin?!? I'm completely behind you when it comes to not extending special privileges to admins moreso than "mere editors", but this does not remotely explain your actions here. Also of huge concern to me is your apparent belief that we need to interpret a large rulebook like robots, rather than applying human judgment to individual situations. If you think you followed "the rules" in blocking Jehochman, and you think we need more rule-following of that nature, I'm gravely concerned that you'll continue to make similar errors. Mistakes are certainly allowed, but we should expect that people learn from them. I don't see that happening here. Friday (talk) 18:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Not quite as you see them. I regret making the block also because it was too strict an enforcement of the rules. An admin breaking official policy, not just a guideline? There can be none of that, I thought. And it was a series of rule breaking, such as (according to that other editor), filing a report using a wrong category and not providing the block log as required. Won't do that again!
Any more examples of what caused that former admin to be a former, let me know. Archtransit (talk) 18:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, let's see here.. There was an RFC, which showed that many people considered his actions to be frequently inappropriate. He failed to improve. There were countless attempts to engage him on his talk page.. he typically responded nonsensically, or not at all. There was eventually a request for arbitration, in which he was found to have a history of inappropriate blocks and a history of poor judgment, and the arbcom pulled his sysop bit. It should have been done much, much sooner- he ran amok causing damage for way too long. This case was, in my view, a poster child for some desysopping procedure short of arbcom. When we see that a promotion was a mistake, soon after the fact, I'm all in favor of correcting the error rather than waiting for it to become so bad that arbcom has to step in. Guessing how someone might use the admins tools is no substitute for observing how they actually use them. Friday (talk) 18:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Centralized TV Episode Discussion[edit]

Over the past months, TV episodes have been reverted by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [1]. --Maniwar (talk) 21:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Re; Admin Advice[edit]

Ok, first of all, I haven't filled all my archives, but all up to number 7 are filled. If you click on 7 in the archives you will see your message. I did read and consider you message. I did not feel there was a need for a reply. And also, I usually flag my archives every Ohmpandya (Talk to Me...) 20:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I understand- I just thought it was odd to see something archived so soon. Why have more links than you have archives? It can't help make things easier to find. Friday (talk) 20:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, the whole thing is an image so..., can' really take half of it off. BTW, I really appreciate the suggestions. - Ohmpandya We need to talk...contribs 01:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

RE Conservapedia[edit]

I don't see why. I agree that it is in many ways quite a poor site; the number of articles is inadequate, and the amount of arbitrary censorship discourages people from editing. Some of their articles are also blatant propaganda. But I joined in order to make it better, just as I want to make Wikipedia better, and I abide by local rules on both sites. WaltonOne 22:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd be curious to see how well your version holds up, there. BTW I saw your latest- don't feel bad for trying to help out. It seems clear that the rules for that article are different from the project as a whole. I can understand how and why this happened, altho I'm not convinced it's a healthy thing. Friday (talk) 22:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I suspect, sadly, that the vehement pro-ID crowd on Conservapedia will rewrite the article over there to accord with their own biases. Just as the vehement anti-ID crowd over here has done to our article. Sadly, it seems to be inevitable that all articles about this will turn into battlegrounds, since the people who have the knowledge and motivation to edit them are also those with the strongest POVs. WaltonOne 23:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I think there's hope for ours, yet- but then again I didn't find the Expelled article very biased, either. What I don't like, though, is that "normal" editors apparently can't do much with our creationism-related articles. That's unfortunate. I don't think we should have to rethink all our standard expectations, simply because it's a controversial area. Then again, I haven't been battling creationists for years, either, so maybe I'm naive. Friday (talk) 00:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

BTW, since you say you're not very familiar with the subject matter- Intelligent Design isn't science because they don't accept certain fundamentals of the philosophy of science. They're not producing any testable scientific theories and the bits about God aren't going to be falsifiable. The National Academy of Sciences explains it better than I do. It's not really accurate to call this an opinion - the broad strokes of scientific method are well-established. Not as the way to discover The Truth, mind you- but as the way to do science. We shouldn't shy away from presenting things this way, here on Wikipedia- it's neutral. Many people don't like it, but this because they're not willing to learn what science does. Friday (talk) 00:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, the ID/creationist crowd creates intentional confusion with their "evolution is a theory, not a fact" statements. It's vitally important to understand that a scientific theory is not just a wild-ass guess, as we sometimes use the word "theory" in common usage. Theories are big, well-tested frameworks, like the germ theory of disease, heliocentric theory, or the theory of gravity. In science, the distinction between the words "theory" and "law" is mainly historical- you hear also about the law of gravity but it means the same thing- see where the redirects point? Theories are supported by many observations in multiple lines of evidence- otherwise they don't get to the point of being theories. Anyway, the point I was trying to ramble towards is this: The importance of evolution to biology cannot be overstated - in modern biology, evolution is the central organizing framework. I'm no particular expert either- I happen to be married to a someone with a master's degree in chemistry (emphasizing biochemistry) who also teaches evolution and other aspects of science at the college level. So, I get educated about this stuff all the time. So basically, the bottom line is that the creation/evolution controversy is a political controversy, not a scientific one. And I dislike that people misrepresent the situation to advance their own agendas. Friday (talk) 01:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

OK. I have heard this about the use of the word "theory" in a scientific concept before, and I'm vaguely familiar with the age-old conundrum of NPOV vs SPOV; should we prioritise the view held by most scientists to be consistent with the evidence and with scientific methods of reasoning, or should we give equal weight to the views of non-scientists and the public at large (provided they're published in independent sources)?
My problem is that my educational background is almost entirely in politics and the social sciences, not in natural science, so I'm used to approaching things from that standpoint. In political articles, NPOV requires that we set aside our own political perspectives and just write from the sources. Evidently, in articles which have both a political and a scientific dimension (such as creation vs evolution) the whole thing is more complex. I tend instinctively to treat it as a political question because that's the side of it of which I have the most awareness, but this may not be the right approach.
My main issue with the Expelled article is that so much of it isn't about the film at all. Large numbers of the sources cited aren't about the film at all; they're about the controversies of evolution vs. intelligent design, and whether intelligent design is a form of creationism. Thus most of the criticism of the claims made in the film isn't criticism about the film itself; rather, the various authors of the article have dug up other sources which happen to criticise the same claims as those in the film (e.g. the Darwin-Hitler link) and used those to criticise the film. At present, since the film hasn't been released, there's very little independent critical literature about the film - and until there is, there's no need for the article to be as long as it presently is or to contain as much criticism. WaltonOne 10:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
We should present scientific statements as such, as we should present non-scientific statements as such. Neither should be presented as "The Truth"- science isn't about Truth. Philosophy is down the hall. The entire interesting thing about this controversy is the disconnect between the science and the politics/public opinion. Yes, scientists still work out details, and they often disagree over these details (until such a time as there's sufficient evidence too produce a consensus), but the existence of evolution, in biology, is no more controversial than the existence of gravity, in physics. They're both very well established, widely-used theories. We're not likely to discard them anytime soon. I myself have a degree in political science, so I understand that fields like that are not generally as rigorous as things like physics or biology. Even in biology, if you're studying animal behavior in the wild for example, you rarely have the some degree of control over conditions as you might find studying proteins in a lab. So, you often have to accept a lower standard for your confidence intervals, for example.
Anyway, with evolution it certainly is a political issue as well as a scientific one. But it's extremely important to be able to separate the political parts of the issue from the science- otherwise, you cannot understand it. This is something the media is fairly bad at, so it's not surprising that people look at the political controversy and assume there's a scientific controversy there also.
Back to practical issues- I tend to agree with your take on Expelled- it doesn't focus as tightly on the film as I'd like to see. Sadly, though, these articles cannot be edited via the normal wiki process. Apparently we have to don asbestos suits and duke it out with bare knuckles, in order to contribute there. I'm not convinced we shouldn't try tho- I want to bring these articles back into the fold and treat them like the rest of the project. Yes, POV pushers should be shown the door, but we do not have to become problem editors ourselves, to deal with problem editors. The article on the film should focus on the film- we do not need to try to duplicate our (generally quite high-quality) articles about ID. I suspect, as we move forward, there won't be a shortage of proper sources discussing that film, specifically. We might only be in the situation we're in, because people tried to jump the gun and make a long article too soon. We may see the situation naturally improve with little conflict, as more sources specifically about the movie become available. Friday (talk) 15:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, count me in for wanting to bring a little sane balance to the Expelled article. However, I'm not jumping into the fray so far, because I recognize the names of several POV-pushers already on the warpath there, and I've seen how they chew up and spit out others. If you'd like any help on collaborating for an NPOV article that actually focuses on the movie, just let me know when the time comes. I appreciate your heart on the WP project. Goo2you (talk) 17:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Assertions like this need to come with diffs. Show me a POV pusher, and I'll try to fix the problem. Friday (talk) 17:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Reginmund[edit]

Hey Friday, despite the 3RR talk and your warning that if he reverts again he'll be blocked, Reginmund has committed a 5th revert with the RFC talk page. Would you be willing to block here? Metros (talk) 13:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, I'm a bit late. Thanks for the update though. Friday (talk) 15:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Trout categories at UCFD[edit]

Friday, you will probably see this at some point, but in the event that you don't, see WP:UCFD#Trout_categories (it is for renaming, not deletion :) ... I am notifying you as I recall you had expressed opinions at prior nominations. --Iamunknown 20:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

report[edit]

Hello friday,please try to help in here.Albanias page and my user rights have been vandalizem by Megistias (talk) by deleting my comments in discussion page of Albania and in Edwin E. Jacques discussion page.Albania s page its been attacked by Greek nationalists so they will claim lands or erase the history of the Albanian people.Wikipedia has lost her value only because of them.Since when he open his account in Wikipedia its been a hell of a edit-warring with him.I stoped in here because I know you can make him reason.I din't reported him on the other admin because I do have faith in you,since you had helped him before.He has not done anything to improve the article,deleting all that impressive amount of source materials put by other users.Edit-warring and revert-warring accomplishes nothing. If he continues to be uncooperative,he needs to be banned,I hope that you will help.Thank you again for your time.--Taulant23 (talk) 09:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Taulant is a hopeless fanatic and despite receiving advice from many people he does the same things.Taulant once the admins see the history of pages what do you think wull happen?.Megistias (talk) 09:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<<<<<________Here another abuse from him,in my books a typical vandal..--Taulant23 (talk) 09:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

Refdesk barnstar candidate2.png The Reference Desk Barnstar
Thank you for your reply to my query at the Science Reference Desk regarding the History of Quantum Mechanics. Your contribution to the discussion was insightful, and helped me find the answers I was looking for. Thanks! FusionKnight (talk) 19:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Slime eels[edit]

You're watching Dirty Jobs too I guess? Haha... IronGargoyle (talk) 03:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Right to vanish[edit]

Seems to say that on the Meta page, and it just seems like common sense- talk pages can contain a lot of information that someone who wished to vanish would not want remaining on the project. Mine often includes details about where I live, sometimes contains my first name and so on. If someone wants to vanish, I would have thought the user talk page would be the second thing to go- certainly seems to be the case when editors I know have asked for it. J Milburn (talk) 21:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't see anything on meta about this being standard practice. We might delete individual edits on pages that have personally identifying information, but this is completely unrelated to whether anyone claims to be leaving or not. I'm trying to discourage the deletion of user talk- we have no business helping people cover their tracks, and we only end up restoring it when they come back. I don't see how deleting our historical records helps in any way at all. Friday (talk) 21:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Bourke engine[edit]

Hi, I've seen this editor before, his style is idiosyncratic enough to get him mentioned on WP:ANI. I've reverted some of his more questionable edits for now and will keep an eye on this page. Regards. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 16:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

My Rfa[edit]

My effort to regain adminship was unsuccessful, and I'll do what I can to ensure your opinion of my suitability for adminship improves. Thank you for taking some time out of your day to voice your opinion.--MONGO 07:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

User page[edit]

Hi, I turned your user page into a redirect to your talk page. We generally discourage redirects from user pages to articles, or vice versa. Friday (talk) 14:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I see no harm in doing that, but if it's not allowed, I'll not redirect my userpage. Shrine Maiden (talk) 07:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

V-Dash RFC[edit]

I've noticed that since V-Dash's departure from Wikipedia, there was a minor amount of trolling on his RFC. This appears to have now stopped, but earlier an editor added their support to the RFC. Since the issue is now moot, I was wondering if the page should be closed and preserved as an archive? MelicansMatkin (talk) 00:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

He's back...[edit]

DeathMark (talk · contribs) seems to be the latest incarnation of our favorite incivil editor. I have requested a new CU case. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 00:55, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

re: the man keeping me down :D[edit]

Yar har fiddle dee dee! Don't take it seriously this is the internet D: --:D|-< (talk) 19:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

That's a really lame response. If you're looking for lulz, get them somewhere else. When you edit Wikipedia, please observe the community's standards of acceptable behavior. Soapboxing on the ref desk isn't helpful. Our answers are supposed to be useful to the questioner, not just entertaining to you personally. Friday (talk) 15:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

my new article and the other stuff(*@#*) surrounding it[edit]

HI i didn't mean to delete the comment, I may have misunderstood it. I figured that by explaining myself and my article in the discussion page, I had satisfied the comments. I didn't mean to make it seem as though I am just dismissing the comment, warnings, and going on with my life. Please allow me to keep this article, and it WILL grow in the number of references and resources as time goes on by both me and other editors...please hit me up anytime to give me pointers on this wikipedia article....thanks alot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelabstudiosinc (talkcontribs) 18:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

so if I could find a reference, then do i have to recreate the entire thing over again??? or is it in a database of some sort...i mean i cant type as fast as u and im not so great at it that i do it for a living, im just a regular college student that figured I would contribute to a website i love to use...so what happens once I get the reference(s)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelabstudiosinc (talkcontribs) 18:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Adminship[edit]

Regarding your comment here: it would seem that adminship is like medical school: it's hard to get in, but once you do it's almost impossible to get kicked out. Unless, of course, you're selected by ArbCom to be a test case. Then it only takes 12 hours, and no need for a preceding RfC. MastCell Talk 18:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I wish I saw a good way to fix this. Sadly, wikipedia is a large ship and it'll turn slowly, if at all. Friday (talk) 18:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
The problem is that adminship is quite clearly A Big Deal, regardless of pleasant but outdated notions to the contrary. It is absolutely not easy to pass RfA these days, particularly if you actually edit articles and occasionally run into conflicts. Since it's quite difficult to become an admin, and virtually impossible to regain adminship once it's been surrendered under any kind of cloud, it stands to reason that people hold onto it tenaciously.
The problem is that we don't have a crystal ball at RfA. Archtransit presented himself very well; he had a highly respected nominator; had I opined, I'd almost certainly have supported on the basis of his mainspace experience, or at least been neutral. You just don't know for sure until someone actually starts using the tools. I agree it should be easier to revisit decisions made at RfA in that light. MastCell Talk 19:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that's weird. People say it's too hard.. I dunno whether I agree or not. I sometimes think it's too hard AND too easy, which I guess is just another way of saying people commonly judge candidates by the wrong criteria. I'd like to see a lightweight process in which crats can, at their discretion, grant admin tools to an editor. Then, if problems arise, the crats can take them away too. There'd be no need to ahead-of-time discussion- the discussion would be focused instead where it's useful, on those cases where proper use of the tools has been questioned. Friday (talk) 19:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I guess you're right - it's both too hard for editors who actually edit, and too easy for editors who avoid full contact and revert vandalism, fix typos, and keep a low profile for 6 months or so. Your suggestion is logical, in that we would actually have a track record to go on, instead of speculating that a user who's made X number of edits in each namespace and avoiding providing any overly inrciminating diffs will be a suitable admin. But of all the processes on Wikipedia, RfA seems to be the most resistant to change - which is really saying something. MastCell Talk 20:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
If I may be allowed to butt in, I think that RfA is rapidly approaching the point where very few active editors - who will inevitably have been involved in conflicts - are likely to be able to pass. I will leave my scorn for "admin coaching" for another time. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I sure hope that doesn't happen. It's unreasonable to expect no conflicts, and looking at someone's conduct in a conflict is a tremendously useful indicator. Someone who can stay on topic, avoid getting personal, and actually try to resolve the conflict is a good candidate. Friday (talk) 16:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

If I may add to the debate. I think many admin are selected due to their high number of ‘changes’. It is all too easy just to hit the rollback button. Furthermore, most of the time these ‘admin’ do not even read the changes to find out if the changes were warranted. This goes to the fact the wiki voters are looking for quantity of quality. How often do you hear about, “that editor did not follow policy?” Most editors and most ADMIN think policy is the gospel and human judgement is not valid. As a manager I can say to you, try telling your client that policy overrides common sense. Not only will you find yourself losing your job as a manager, you most likely will be out the door!

Another problem is that there are editors with the skills to be super admin but ‘have not been here long enough.’ Time should play little in someone becoming an admin. One does not learn managerial skills, but rather, one is born with them. Just because someone has only been here for 6 months should not be a reason for rejection. If that user has the skills I would rather see them as an admin than someone who has been here for years and can’t think but rather just acts. Everyone knows that years of work experience does not equal promotions. If this were true, the garbage man will eventually become the CEO. Therefore why does it here? Skills are what matter, nothing else. Maybe wiki has too many ‘young editors’ with no sense of managerial knowledge.Thright (talk) 05:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)thright

Tons377[edit]

I am curious as to the source of your near infinite patience with temper tantrums. I wouldn't last 5 minutes as an admin if this was what I had to deal with. My hat goes off to you! ៛ Bielle (talk) 05:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC) 05:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Somehow I find it easy to be patient with newbies (which I guess is good, since I do new page patrol sometimes.) Where I find it hard to be patient is with experienced users - I keep thinking they should know better. Anyway, thanks for the note. :) Friday (talk) 16:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

mediabus?[edit]

I am a beginner of wiki, and I posted 'mediabus' publishing house's posting. Mediabus is small and indepedent publishing house located in Seoul, Korea. And I think this posting is not a advertisement but a information. Because there are little indepedent publishers in Seoul. I thought somebody may have a question about 'is there any independent publishing house in Seoul'. I can not understand why other publishing houses (like verso, routledge, something else) can be posted in Wiki, mediabus's posting could be just advertisement? In Wiki, could be a publishing house located in London or New York? Hey, there are many publishers and publication houses in Seoul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediabus (talkcontribs) 15:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay...[edit]

Thanks. Is there somewhere I can more formally request that my user page be salted and that my talk page be deleted and salted? --Hyperbole (talk) 20:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Just as a courtesy to me. I'd prefer that my user/talk pages don't turn into shrines where editors I've had disputes with over the last two or three years can post celebratory messages as though my exhaustion with this project represents some kind of ideological victory for them. Because, you know what? I can think of a few editors who are just nasty and unprofessional enough to do so. --Hyperbole (talk) 20:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

In my experience, a talk page is its edit history - reversion on a talk page is all but pointless. Anyway, I can see you don't want to take this action, so let me put the question to you again: where might one go to make a more formal request that user/talk pages be deleted and salted? --Hyperbole (talk) 21:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Eh, too late, someone already deleted it. Right in the middle of the conversation- how wonderfully convenient for everyone involved. Note that if you come back, someone will probably undelete it again. Friday (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
In the middle of no conversation I saw. A comment on WP:AN saying "I invoke right-to-vanish" is the end of a conversation. —Wknight94 (talk) 21:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: meatball[edit]

I agree. That is why I post these "get over with that" messages, the "nobody forces you to stay", the "Wikipedia servers, Wikipedia rules" messages (even though I sometimes get back-stabbed!). However, I think refusing a "last request" like deleting pages only increases drama, making the "goodbye" excessively long. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 22:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Dr. Knight[edit]

I tried to add it to the school page several times but it was removed repeatedly by Bstone, stating that it does not belong there and should be on a Dr. Knight page. SMUinsider (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I removed it once as it's immaterial to the article. Bstone (talk) 01:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

You deleted the Trevor Laws page[edit]

You state that it's a promotional piece, and we should wait til he's a pro and then write a neutral article on him. I guess I don't understand this. Other college players have their own Wikie page (Tim Tebow for example), and he's still in college!!!! Trevor has at least graduated and is working towards the draft.

So why can some players be in here, and others cannot? I don't understand.

It was not a promotional piece in that we're selling stuff, so I don't understand the problem. It was a very neutral article taken directly from his OFFICIAL website about him growing up and how he chose Notre Dame. Why is that a problem? I don't get it.

Please respond.

Thanks, Drew —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agentutah (talkcontribs) 15:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh.. that would make it a copyright violation as well. That's no good, either. When I say promotional material, I mean it was full of stuff like "He made lifelong friends, played football for the best college in the nation and opened doors that he might not have if he had gone somewhere else. It was a grand 5 years." Wikipedia is an encyclopedia- this means we aim for making encyclopedic content, not puff pieces. Looking at this guy, it's entirely possible we should have an article on him, just not that article. College athletes who are particularly outstanding may well already have enough sources covering them to support a decent biographical article. But, what you wrote was not an encyclopedia article. I'm also concern about a conflict of interest, as I noted on your user page. Friday (talk) 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Looking at it now compared to other athletes pages it makes sense what you are saying. Thanks for explaining it more in depth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agentutah (talkcontribs) 15:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem. If the article can be rewritten in a more encyclopedic way, citing proper sources, I imagine nobody would get the idea to delete it. Friday (talk) 16:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Listen[edit]

I just want to destroy the policy and keep the page as an archive. Could you show me how to do that? Editorofthewiki (talk) 19:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Step 1: don't MFD. Step 2: bring up your concerns on the talk page. Friday (talk) 20:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

vandalism[edit]

Ahem. ;-) - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Category talk:Wikipedia administrators open to trout slapping[edit]

I responded to your challenge. Actually, I went to the talk page in order to post anyway, but I thought it'd make you happy to think I responded to your challenge. And I like making people happy. But I also like honesty. Darn. --Dweller (talk) 11:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Waco[edit]

The IP address is simply trolling. If he had asked me nicely, and not displayed attitude elsewhere, I would have considered changing it. But if necessary, I could demonstrate the truth of the statement in question, along with the fact that it was a term used by some public figures. Let's not go there unless we have to. And just so we're clear on this, the US Government screwed up royally in that incident, which is why I also called it a "disaster". It was bad all around. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

YOU GOT SERVED 12.39.2.83 (talk) 20:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
It's not appropriate to taunt other editors, anywhere on Wikipedia, 12. Please, make an effort to collaborate peacefully with other editors. Friday (talk) 20:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm in discussion with an admin about how to handle this troll. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I filed an ANI incident. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

he's (understandably) upset that he got called out for a rules violation by an unregged user. he's a little flustered. all he needs to do is accept responsibility, edit his waco post, and move on with his life. 12.39.2.83 (talk) 21:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

The IP address is blocked for 31 hours, starting a few hours ago. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Warning[edit]

Information.svg Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on User talk:WJBscribe. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.

We need to be able to give feedback to other editors. Yes, even criticism. Friday (talk) 17:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Please stop[edit]

You are right. I feel so stupid and childish ^^; And may I say, how did you get involved in this? — NuclearVacuum 02:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Just happened to notice it on my watch list. Mikkalai has indeed become a problem editor, but I don't think this is the way to deal with it. Perhaps you could consider a user conduct RFC if you really think it's appropriate? Friday (talk) 02:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I am glad that I'm not going crazy. And what do you mean by RFC? — NuclearVacuum 02:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Request_comment_on_users. But, I don't recommend it if you're unfamiliar with the process. The best outcome is that he calms down and starts collaborating meaningfully with other editors. This becomes less likely to happen if he feels he's being attacked. Friday (talk) 02:40, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I am not familiar with this, so I will not do it (today). But may I keep an eye on him for any other unneeded or violating edits? — NuclearVacuum 12:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Have you seen Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Mikkalai? Looks like other people have noticed this as well, and most people do see it as a problem. I'm still puzzled by people who want to just "let it slide" when an admin goes completely round the bend, but hopefully that view is a minority. The problem of course is that identifying the problem is easy. Figuring out how to do something useful about it is much harder. Friday (talk) 14:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your patience[edit]

We'll see if the talk page gets us anywhere. —Nricardo (talk) 03:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

RfR[edit]

Hello Friday, I saw this. For future reference, if you've accepted a request, use the {{done}} template, or if you've declined a request, just use the {{not done}} template. However, some administrators, if they've accepted a request, prefer to remove the request completely rather than have it get archived, so you can do that as well if you wish. I hope this helps. Acalamari 17:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks. Friday (talk) 18:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. :) Acalamari 18:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Block of User:Nricardo[edit]

Friday, Just wanted to drop a note encouraging you to relax your stance with regard to Nricardo. While his conduct on WT:RD was tenditious, and the RD/M comment of "you'll never know; someone will delete this" was inappropriate, I don't think it rises to the level of an indef block. The talk page portion in particular, while perhaps out of proportion, is being addressed as it should be rather than edit-warred over. That seems to me to leave just the one RD/M comment as outright disruptive to the project. In summary, while "indefinite" is not "infinite", it often looks that way -- so I request that you alter the block to some definite duration. — Lomn 20:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

You are probably right. In fact I'd just removed it a minute ago. We'll see how it goes. The main reason I reached for the block button was that he's been blocked before for several manners of bad conduct- I saw this as just more of the same. Maybe I just have a poor tolerance for editors who refuse to communicate meaningfully. Thanks for the note. Friday (talk) 20:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for lifting the block. I'll have to consider a self-imposed ban from RD.  :-) --Nricardo (talk) 20:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Useful contributions are always welcome. Perhaps I over-reacted, but it left me with a very bad impression that two different editors both brought up the same valid concern, and you deleted the messages calling it "spam". It's OK to disagree, but there are good ways and bad ways to do it. Anyway, I guess this is water under the bridge now. Friday (talk) 20:22, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Yashichi appearances[edit]

No offense taken with your proposed deletion for this page. I merely felt that it was cluttering up the Capcom article and wanted to export it somewhere else. If there is a consensus that this information is too trivial that is fine with me as well. If you have any other suggestions on how to handle this type of material, please let me know. Thank you, Felix the Hurricane (talk) 23:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Well.. sometimes the answer to "where is the best place for this material?" is "Not on Wikipedia." I agree this stuff would be too much clutter (I hadn't realized it was moved from another article.) I think the amount of coverage in Capcom seems appropriate, and it would work just fine without the link to the list. If you don't object, I can just go ahead and delete it. Friday (talk) 00:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
This is fine by me either way. I wish that I had another wiki to direct people who are interested in this type of information to, it might help prevent the material from creeping back in. Felix the Hurricane (talk) 17:50, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
There are lots of video game wikis out there. Dunno about specifically for capcom stuff. But yes, that's a really nice alternative- if someone wants to make a game guide or an exhaustive compendium of in-universe information, there are plenty of good places for this. They just don't belong here on Wikipedia. Anyway, I deleted the page for now, and removed the link to it. Friday (talk) 17:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

From Smith Jones[edit]

my apologies regairndg edit summaries i just got a little rattled because people do that same mistake every ten seconds and dont even bother to cleani t up. Smith Jones (talk) 02:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Food for thought[edit]

I'm flattered, but I don't think I'm temperamentally suited to it—I lack the saintly patience required. Besides, I don't have the time I used to to work on Wikipedia; we're not really looking for another inactive 'crat. Thanks for the vote of confidence, though.

If anything, I'd say that you're better material 'crat material than I. Perhaps you might consider taking the plunge?

Cheers! TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

If saintly patience is required, I'm in no way qualified. I sometimes get hasty and say things I shouldn't. Friday (talk) 00:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
You seem patient and experienced to me, Friday, and yes, you're outspoken, but you are civil when you are: I would support you if you ran. Acalamari 00:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I would too. Think about it. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

re: holy crap[edit]

Hmm.. not seeing it. But yeah OS X is a modern operating system with sensible memory management and it's certainly as stable as Vista or Ubuntu, though of course it doesn't hold a candle to NetBSD. :D\=< (talk) 23:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

It's unix. Unix tends to work. Friday (talk) 00:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Acalamari[edit]

Just to let you know, Acalamari is male. :) Regards, Rudget. 18:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Doh! Thanks for the tip. Not sure where I'd got the idea she was female. Friday (talk) 18:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
It's all right, Friday. :) I have been referred to as female before. :) Acalamari 18:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
It's so hard to tell, with a squid.. :-) Friday (talk) 18:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Apologies from me. I see it made a comment over at the RFB aswell, so sorry if it looked like we were piling on for what was just a typo. Rudget. 18:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment in my RfB, Friday. I hope that, next time I run, I will be more a more suitable candidate in your view. Best wishes. Acalamari 22:08, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

A new user may need your help[edit]

A new user deleted this thread (which he started) on the RD/Math which I subsequently undid. I think that a word on his talk by an admin with RD credentials might be better received than a word from the user that rv'd him. Besides, you've already been to his talk  :-) thanks, --hydnjo talk 01:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll give it a shot. Friday (talk) 14:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Oops, someone else already did. No sense leaving him a second message about the same thing. Friday (talk) 14:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Ahh, I missed David's note - thanks for looking in. --hydnjo talk 19:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Proposal RE: User:Mikkalai's vow of silence[edit]

You are a previous participant in the discussion at WP:AN/I about User:Mikkalai's vow of silence. This is to inform you, that I have made a proposal for resolution for the issue. I am informing all of the users who participated, so this is not an attempt to WP:CANVAS support for any particular position.

The proposal can be found at: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposed resolution (Mikkalai vow of silence) Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 01:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

A question[edit]

Hello Friday, as you know, you're very outspoken with your views on admins, RfA, etc. Well, I'd like to ask a question: do you have any criticism or comments at all on my actual usage of the tools? I'd like to have your opinion on that, and I can't think of anyone better to ask than you. Thanks. Acalamari 03:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

You could have asked me. I'm pretty scathing about admins, RfA as well. ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 04:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Heh heh. Acalamari, I don't remember ever seeing anything you've done that was questioned that I thought was a mistake. Granted, my memory is not perfect and I haven't gone and looked at everything you've ever done. And honestly, mistakes don't concern me too much- we are all human. Now, if someone makes the same kinds of mistakes repeatedly and ignores feedback from other editors, that's where I get concerned. But as far as I know, your behavior as an admin has been very good. And you don't remotely strike me as the type to go around ignoring complaints from other editors, if you were to get them. Friday (talk) 17:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback, Friday, it's appreciated. :) If, however, you do ever think I'm making a mistake/doing something wrong, don't hesitate to let me know: I think communication is very important. Best wishes. Acalamari 20:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

This page was vandalized[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Friday&action=history You got warned for reverting this IP's "contribution" to the Template about creationism, but he got a taste of his own medicine...hehehehe.... Two One Six Five Five τ ʃ 22:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

No good way of dealing with good editors who also do bad things.[edit]

Hello, Friday. Re:this-section-title: I think one of the problems is the public venue and written form of "dispute resolution", especially when it comes to user conduct. Where in adult real life are interpersonal conflicts carried out in this fashion?

Like you (I assume) I'm not a fan of off-wiki communication, but sometimes I think it would be better to point out a user's problematic behavior without letting the entire community watch and chime in. We've seen the effects of crowd psychology, ganging up, and "cornering" editors, we've seen it in RFCs, at the noticeboards, in arbcom cases - some can deal with it, most can't. Responding to a user-conduct RFC in a way the wikicrowd finds acceptable is the equivalent of gulping down a huge slice of humble pie. Good editors often will choke on it.

I know this is nothing new, and there are essays addressing this as well, but it bothers me too, and it interferes with building an encyclopedia. Frankly, I'm not surprised the "badsites" exist. Maybe productive but sensitive editors should be told privately and early on, when their behavior is becoming problematic, rather than letting things escalate to the point of having flamefests and show trials, for want of better words. ---Sluzzelin talk 16:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes.. I usually assume that by the time it's a big visible problem, several editors have already tried bringing the problem up privately. Certainly you have a good point- this should be more encouraged. Ideally, we'd also encourage people to be willing to be told publically that they've screwed up- but human nature is what it is. We're not going to change that here. Anyway, I'm sure various policies or guidelines already encourage people to bring up concerns privately if they prefer, but perhaps more could be done to get people to try this sooner rather than later. Friday (talk) 16:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Samantha Power[edit]

Hi, I think it's rude of that person to say that. But unless it's a threat /violence / personal info/ libelous etc., I think it's very rude to remove opinion comments on talk pages. -Aboveloan0239 (talk) 22:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#BetacommandBot[edit]

I've listed an arbitration case under this tentative name to resolve the longstanding conflict basically surrounding this issue. This is a message to inform you that you're listed a party there. Maxim(talk) 00:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm not sure I see how I'm involved but thanks for the note. Friday (talk) 00:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, it's very nebulous in who to include. You seem to be quite involved so I added you. Removing you from the list should be quite easy, I expect, if need be. Maxim(talk) 00:07, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

My request for bureaucratship[edit]

Your comments[edit]

I have been reading your comments on several topics and I could not agree more. You are diffently an asset to wiki. Keep up the good work!Thright (talk) 05:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)thright

Thanks for your work reviewing CSDs.[edit]

It's good that there's someone out there doing that. Obuibo Mbstpo (talk) 17:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Subversion branching[edit]

When I tagged it, it appeared to be some sort of obscure WP:POINT violation, since it was a redirect to itself, linked to in the course of a lengthy argument about Wikipedia internal procedures. I was in the process of removing both tags when you did so; thanks. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Ohhhh alright- that makes sense now. I didn't have that context and to me it just looked like a simple mistake. Friday (talk) 17:34, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand 2[edit]

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand 2/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand 2/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 15:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Was looking through the list of parties. Not entirely sure why you are here. Can you remember? Carcharoth (talk) 03:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Look a few sections up: it seems he was added by Maxim (talk · contribs) when the case was originally presented. —Locke Coletc 03:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but why did Maxim add him? One of the lurkers at WP:AN/B? Not really. I think Friday was just one of the people active there at the time the case was filed. Not really involved before or since. Carcharoth (talk) 04:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
From the above, it doesn't seem Maxim really had any reason to add him (other than being there at the moment the RFAr was being created). I certainly can't see how he's involved or why he should be a party to the case. Anyways, I wasn't sure if you'd noticed the discussion a few sections up. =) —Locke Coletc 04:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Friday/Criticism[edit]

Very well said. In fact, you've really stood out as a voice of reason for a long time, mainly due to commentary like this. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I have no particular writing skills so perhaps being reasonable is my best shot at contributing usefully. Friday (talk) 15:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Don't get me started on those who have no skills in either of those regards... dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 07:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Are You serious?[edit]

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Regarding: Canada's Healthcare Provider's, 2007 report[edit]

Hello Dear Admin:

I would like to understand why my page is being deleted and categorized as "blatant advertizing". I would really appreciated your advice on how I can go about fixing this issue regarding restoring my page.

Looking forward to your reply,

Thank you very much

CIHI Project —Preceding unsigned comment added by CIHI Project (talkcontribs) 17:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Emotional blackmail makes you look bad.[edit]

That's my problem, I guess. Two One Six Five Five τ ʃ 16:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't sweat it. If you feel like a break.. take one. Come back whenever you feel like it and keep up the good work. The thing is, tho- the only way I know of to stay sane at Wikipedia is if you personally enjoy doing constructive work for the project. If instead you enjoy getting recognition for the work you do, well.. you can't really expect that here. Sure, it's nice when it happens, but you can't count on it. Friday (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

MFC Barnstar thing[edit]

I suggest you head over to WP:AWC. All of those barnstars were given out for specific actions. I would argue that the sheer number of them attests to MFC's skill and dedication as a Wikipedian. --Sharkface217 23:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow. In looking around.. I even see a barnstar given out for someone's work in giving out barnstars. That really says something. Friday (talk) 02:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
The much-coveted Meta-Barnstar! :) MastCell Talk 03:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Judgement[edit]

I concede the point the MFC is a kid who acts like one, and the award centre is ridiculous, I disapprove strongly of doing things for awards (I always feel guilty when I take part in a project that I know will give me an award), MFC's RFA is not going to succeed, so this discussion is a bit irrelevant. While admitting that MFC is a bit childish I still I'm afraid don't except the view that a child will not act maturely unless they are proven to have done so. Guilty until proven innocent? (I know that's not quite true). Also I do feel that you are taking a rather gloomy view, while the award centre is silly it could be seen as achieving some good, as it encourages users to do good work and to make a list of tasks that need doing, while it would be nice if they did it for the love of doing it, one could say that it doesn't matter why they do it so long as they do it? Harland1 (t/c) 09:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

One further comment the fact the MFC has put featured symbols and GA symbols along his/her userpage for images and articles which they didn't upload or write really gets up my nose too. Harland1 (t/c) 09:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


deleted content request[edit]

Hello, My first attempt at creating a wiki entry got deleted, and i'm told i contact a administrator such as yourself to get it back. The entry is called NetBox Blue. Can you please email it to me at mickyounger@hotmail.com Thanks --Mickyounger (talk) 04:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

"Some People" mistake[edit]

Hi. I recently made an edit to The Sopranos, adding that "It is often considered to be the greatest television show in history, though some people feel that it is the second-greatest, following Seinfeld." at the end of the first paragraph of the article, which you removed, saying to me that "because we don't generally write in Wikipedia about things that are 'often considered' or that 'some people feel'." I do somewhat agree with that, and plan to leave as such. I was unaware of this, and thank you for catching the mistake. Davidm617617 (talk) 21:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Friday (talk) 22:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Hold your horses![edit]

Calm down. The "Delete all cabals" is a joke. It is said, because "there is no cabal." Under the definition of a cabal, it states that it is an organization that doesn't exist. The WP page is joke. Basketball110 23:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

That page doesn't say to "Delete all cabals..." Basketball110 23:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Have you registered with the Cabal approval group? Friday (talk) 23:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Basketball here. It was just a joke.--RyRy5 talk 23:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
What? Also:

Wikipedia:Delete all cabals[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Wikipedia:Delete all cabals, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the page's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself.

If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Basketball110 00:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

It was only a joke. Sorry, I thought that was more clear. If you want to delete the redirect.. well, I personally think it's funny. But if someone else wants to delete it I won't argue. Friday (talk) 00:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry that I got a bit Coca-Cola (in comparison with tea). Somebody removed the speedy tag, and called it vandalism, but I would like to AfD it. What do you think? It would build consensus. Basketball110 00:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
The speedy tag is incorrect, it's not G1 , I removed it. If you (Basketball110) want to delete it, you should use an appropriate CSD or bring it to a xfD. All this cabal stuff is a conglomerate of in jokes, what would make this page different ? I didn't say it was vandalism, [2]. CenariumTalk 00:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
You want a formal deletion discussion for that? I don't see why. But do it if you really want- I gave my opinion above already. It's no big deal either way. Friday (talk) 00:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
If you want to delete it, just do so! CenariumTalk 00:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Let me address one thing at a time... Cenarium, you are correct, mistake (about "vandalism," it was "inappropriate"). AfD, I was wrong, it's Wikipedia, AfD is for articles (stupid me). The name of the redirect and the way it was being used in the MfD was not good, so I thought it would be better to delete. Keep, now is my opinion (weak as is it). And if there is disscussion here that I am obviously not aware of, please consider putting "{{Talkback|Friday}}" on my talk page, so I know. Thank you. Basketball110 00:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that it's the purpose of C:CSD to take care of this kind of pages unless it's really harmful. I consider these cabals as humor, though I have concerns about their use, but it's not the point here. I don't think that we should worry about this too much. CenariumTalk 02:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and nominated it at RfD. A link to the discussion is two threads below. - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 19:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Responded[edit]

I responded to your question on the adoption program's talkpage.--RyRy5 talk 01:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Wikipedia:Delete all cabals[edit]

I have nominated Wikipedia:Delete all cabals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 19:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

If I started referring to this as the "cabal-deleting cabal" would you no longer want it deleted? Friday (talk) 17:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Good point, I've been thinking to a "delete all cabals cabal" too, it's derision and the kind of cabals we need to really show that it's really not seriuz bizini. We'll mark all cabals for deletion! CenariumTalk 02:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Good luck. A few days ago someone tried that, and the result was a practically unanimous snowball keep, which closed in a matter of hours. - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 16:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
That was a joke ! CenariumTalk 18:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Directory of buildings?[edit]

Me, Raime and Hydrogen Iodide are part of are part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Skyscrapers/Featured Topic Drive and are trying to get List of tallest buildings in minneapolis to featured list. I was just creating articlus for the buildings. I plan on expnding themm. Alaskan assassin (talk) 20:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any guidelines for which buildings should have articles? If something is just another apartment building with no historical interest and no significant coverage in sources, for example, I don't see that we should be attempting to have an article on it. Friday (talk) 20:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

gayelle[edit]

yeah it's my page and that's the way i like it. besides if it get's deleted all the hard work i put into it will be lost and i won't have a way of getting it back.NewAtThis (talk) 21:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

well it does belong on my user page since i like it that way. and i don't like your user page and i don't like your comments, but your free to have it your way. stop harassing me. everyone on this website is so dumb and strict, i don't get it at all. people even make fun of my username, they say i should change it and that i'm making bogus questions on the questions boardNewAtThis (talk) 21:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

who the hell are you to tell me i can't have it on my userpage? if it's not allowed someone will remove it. but it is allowed and your harassingNewAtThis (talk) 22:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC) me.

you're not nice, you're rude. i'm too cute for this shit.NewAtThis (talk) 22:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

i don't like your talk page...it's too long. you should archive it. cuz i said so. i'm not being rude. you are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NewAtThis (talkcontribs) 22:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

RyRy and others[edit]

Hi Friday, and thanks for your comment. I respectfully disagree. Some of our best contributors are young. They have instant and ready access to resources, and their writing is often (frankly) better than some of our adults. Sure, they can sometimes take a bit more coaching, but I refuse to allow userspace to degenerate into - well, for lack of a better term - "Myspace" just so that we can avoid teaching them how to be productive members of our community. Best wishes, - Philippe 15:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

The problem with Ry isn't so much that he's editing the crap out of the namespace... but that he's trying to adopt people. Aggressively, in some cases (see March archive)... Philippe and others are suggesting mainspace because of Ry's wish to try to become an admin in the very near future. His adoption program has on one occasion given out iffy information, and the issue is that while yes, he cant do any harm in the namespace... he (as well as Nothing444) are giving new, possibly older, wikipedians bad info. And thats doing harm. Anyawy... thats my two cent summary of Ry and the issues. Queerbubbles | Leave me Some Love 16:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Xposted to my talk page as well: I agree with this summary, with one clarification. I encourage RyRy to contribute in the mainspace not just because he wants to be an admin but because it's A Good Thing. That's what we do here: we write an encyclopedia. - Philippe 18:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
You believe he's competent enough to do more good than harm? Last time I saw a little kid try this, that's not how it generally turned out. Friday (talk) 18:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I do. I truly believe he has the potential to be a very positive contributor. He just needs some guidance. I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is: after Queerbubbles brought this situation to my attention, I'd devoted quite a lot of time into talking to him and trying to guide him. Obviously, we aren't there yet, but we're going the right direction, I think. - Philippe 22:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
May I ask how old you yourself are Philippe? Or at least whether you're out of high school yet? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Just to make it clear that I'm not asking to you reveal anything that I wouldn't be prepared to reveal, I left university in 1974. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, his personal user page does say that he worked for Gov. Dean... so I believe he's at least 20ish. I realize everyone tells the truth on the internet(s), so I take him at his word.  ;) Queerbubbles | Leave me Some Love 22:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
For the record, I'm 32 (last week!). - Philippe 22:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, good luck. Obviously there's no point me trying to convince other people what is or isn't a good use of their time. For what it's worth, I believe he has the potential to be a constructive contributor also- in maybe 10 years or so. I'd be surprised if someone could speed up that time simply by providing guidance. I'd be interested to know if there are any known cases where such a thing has worked. Friday (talk) 22:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Friday, are you saying he's not a constructive contributor now? That's a pretty derogative statement to make about a fellow contributor. ScarianCall me Pat! 23:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Anyone can look at his contributions. His edits speak for themselves. Is he competent to be presenting himself as someone qualified to be mentoring other editors? Absolutely not, and I'd have serious doubts about the judgement of anyone who thought otherwise. It's clearly not just me who thinks so. If you want to fix this problem, figure out how to bring him up to speed. Friday (talk) 13:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Adoption[edit]

Well, RyRy5 has answered all my questions, and the answers have been correct, so... --Writergirlrocks talk 22:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking about the stuff at User:Writergirlrocks/Adoptee Tests, I'm not sure his answers have been all that good. One of the concerns raised about his adoption program was that he's giving bad info to new users. Friday (talk) 22:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

OMG WHY DID YOU DELETE MY ARTICEL YOU SUXORZ !!!!!11!!!1!!!one!! etc etc[edit]

I feel so special now... - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I did it because I'm mean. If you give me your address, I'll also come by and torment your dog. Friday (talk) 20:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
(Read like that scene in Ferris Bueller) Oh Friday... you're my hero! Queerbubbles | Leave me Some Love 20:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
*snorts milk out of nose* ...Um, when did I get a glass of milk? - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Cabals[edit]

I removed your post on the talk page, as I intended for that sort of stuff to be presented on the RfC page itself. Sorry for the inconvenience! Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 21:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Frano Zivkovic[edit]

Trying to add information about world youngest guitar player and open discussion about it, and you have deleted it? I am total newbie in wiki, but I suppose this is the article which is surely not A7. Could I try again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bzivkovic (talkcontribs) 14:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment[edit]

[3] - That's not constructive, Friday. You know unveiled threats like that are incredibly derogatory and have no place on Wikipedia. I hope you'll retract your comment and refrain from making futher ones like that in the future. ScarianCall me Pat! 15:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Why do you say it's not constructive? I'm pretty open about my adminship criteria- I think we all should be. It's no veiled threat; it's just me saying that certain types of behavior would likely cause me to oppose an RFA. I don't see the harm. Friday (talk) 16:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
You've made an open threat to oppose an RfA where the user is/has been associated with RyRy5's "Adoption Program". That is what is unconstructive.
Again, you're relying on subjective matters to determine a candidates ability to be competent with the additional buttons. I find this to be irrational and illogical. ScarianCall me Pat! 16:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
If someone wants to run for RFA, and they're doing things that would make me oppose, you want me to keep it a secret? Why? Surely it's more productive to let them know my opinion before the actual RFA rolls around? I don't get it at all. Much of what we do here is necessarily subjective. If someone is acting like a kid in some subjective way, sure, I will take this into account. I don't want admins who act like kids. I can't see why anyone would. Friday (talk) 16:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that this is infinitely silly, and yet another indication of the serious lack of editors with access to dictionaries on this project, or sufficient primary education to know how to use one. My dictionary defines threat as: "a declaration of an intention to punish or hurt (my emphasis)". I'm not certain that declaring an intention to oppose at a forthcoming RfA can in all honesty be considered much of a threat, but whatever little "threat" can be attributed was hardly "veiled". ("V" comes after "T" in the alphabet for anyone uncertain how to check on the meaning of either word.) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 17:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC) Ah! I see on reading again that the "threat" was "unveiled". Must get these glasses checked. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 17:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

important message from a concerned editor[edit]

THANKS BABE I'M NEW TO WIKI SO I NEED HELP BAD SUGAR, CAN YOU DELIVER? SOZ< LOVE

Henrytheeightofwindsor (talk) 18:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Since the user has ben blocked... I feel I can indulge in my inner voice screaming this sentence: "She wants you sugar. She wants you bad!" Queerbubbles | Leave me Some Love 19:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Rollback[edit]

I understand, and I will wait about a month before I ask again. Most/all of those edits were found out to be good faith edits. BTW, I'm actually User:RyRyBot. I cannot edit with RyRy5 because everytime I log in with User:RyRy5, it says "error on page" at the very bottom, after that, the page freezes. But if I use a different account, it's normal. Can you please help?--RyRy5 Talk to RyRy? 16:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh yes. I remembered that the problem started when I put the HotCat code in my monobook. I will delete it, right? Or maybe you should fix it for me. Please find it here and feel free to fix my monobook.--RyRy5 Talk to RyRy? 16:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I am RyRy5, not the bot. It still says "error on page" but after that it says something like "done with errors on page". Or it sometimes says "done". Any suggestions on this? BTW, it works fine but I'm making sure it's not going to be a problem. Also, respond on my talk page, not the bot's talk page.--RyRy5 Talk to RyRy? 16:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm clueless when it comes to these tools. I never saw a reason to use them. I'm sure somebody somewhere can help, though. Friday (talk) 17:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I am not trying to make rollback-like funtions. I just wanted to try out popups, ect. I appreciate you helping me. I will ask again for rollback in about 3-5 weeks from now. Thanks.--RyRy5 Talk to RyRy? 17:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey RyRy, I've taken everything but popups out of your monobook. If that doesn't fix the problem, toss me a message on my talk and we'll take out popups too. - Philippe 17:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
This is RyRyBot, Philippe's plan didn't work. Please blank the monobook again ASAP. Thanks.RyRy5 Talk to RyRy? 17:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Have you completely bypassed your browser cache ? CenariumTalk 18:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, promblem solved. Friday, you don't have to do anything. Cheers.--RyRy5 Talk to RyRy? 18:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Cabals[edit]

Hello. I am requesting copies of all the cabals that have been deleted. I will preserve them in another wiki for cabals. For proof, this is my userpage. Thank you for your time. Nothing444Go Irish! 18:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Less than civil behavior[edit]

I noticed a comment of yours on a newcomer's talk page in which you seemed to not assume good faith. Fooling newcomers into saying that RyRy5 is not an experienced user seems very inappropriate to me, and blatantly encouraging them to not accept the adopt offer by saying that "I would encourage you to not have anything to do with this adoption program." Further you go on to say "It was created by a very inexperienced editor who really shouldn't be offering to adopt others." Before making comments, I would encourage you to read them over well and think of every possible way that someone could interpret it. Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but to be this comment seems to be very rude, uncivil, and inappropriate. You would have been better off first talking it over with RyRy5. - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 23:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe you know what "assume good faith" means. I've made it clear that I don't doubt his good intentions. What I believe he lacks is not good intentions, but rather competence. Friday (talk) 23:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
That may be what you believe, but telling that to a user, especially a newcomer, without any prior discussion with RyRy5 seems rude to me. - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 23:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Telling people to ignore bad advice can be very good advice. (1 == 2)Until 23:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry if it came off as rude.. I guess I still don't see it. Also, I did ask Ryry to shut down his program, so that should count as talking to him about it. Also, why would you say I'm "fooling" newcomers into thinking Ryry is not experienced? He's not. Friday (talk) 23:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Technically "my user page" should be how I want it.[edit]

I mean, if thats what you meant. My talk im still trying to think of what sorts of things should go on it :( --~Menasay~ (talk) 23:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Your user page is not your page. Friday (talk) 23:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Reply[edit]

I think I should slow down too. And I do have a mentor/Admin coach (2 to be exact). I have been offered coaching by my new co-coach yesterday (UTC time). And yes, I accepted. I appreciate telling me all this. And I am planning for adminship around Augaust-December 2008. Comments?--RyRy5 Got something to say? 02:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it's too soon for that to even be on your roadmap. But, I'm glad you're getting some help. Friday (talk) 02:33, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I didn't offer for adoption. I think a user thought I was offering, should I tell that user? BTW, I am keeping only 1 adoptee. I will not offer for adoption anymore until I have at least 2 and a half months of experience.--RyRy5 Got something to say? 02:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
To your other question. My coach is User:Jj137. My unofficial coach is User:nousernamesleft. And I offered User:Philippe. Thanks.--RyRy5 Got something to say? 02:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing me. The reason why I nominated that article was because I thought it met the FA criteria. But I have decided to go alot lower than FA nominating. I am trying to slow down too. Cheers.RyRy5 Talk to RyRy 03:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hello, I'm a big fan of your contributions (Especially your essay on Ageism). Do you, by any chance, like the song Bitter Sweet Symphony? 81.105.28.52 (talk) 20:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I've been staring at my computer screen hitting refresh for 19 straight days. Please reply; I'm starting to get tired and I'm feeling a bit peckish. 81.105.28.52 (talk) 21:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

NASIOC[edit]

It has been confirmed that the AfD on NASIOC was started by a ring of sockpuppets, and that several of the delete !votes were also sockpuppets from the same sock farm. Given that fact, I don't believe that the AfD process done on the article was credible, and I have undeleted it. This is without prejudice to another AfD being launched. FCYTravis (talk) 03:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Already replied elsewhere, but.. socks aside, there was, I thought, a clear consensus among established editors. Friday (talk) 04:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Rollback[edit]

Thanks for adding me to rollback. It's much faster than WP:TW, although of course it's not as robust. So far, so good! Isaacsf (talk) 06:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand 2[edit]

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RFA Thanks[edit]

Thank you for your comments on my RFA. Even though it failed with 28 supports, 42 opposes, and 15 neutrals, I am grateful for the suggestions and advice I have received and I do hope to improve as a Wikipedian. If you ever need my help in any endeavor, feel free to drop me a line. --Sharkface217 19:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Pionee Clubs article[edit]

Hi: We're have problems creating our Pioneer Clubs page. We created it according to directions from another administrator (Anthony Appleyard) with a NPOV and based on the Wikipedia pages of organizations very similar to our organization (see Christian Service Brigade, InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, Awana). The cut and paste was of our own material to what we thought was a page we are trying to create. This is getting very confusing. Any help you can offer would be most appreciated.Pcmidweek (talk) 16:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)pcmidweek

Hmmm. Your best bet is to simply wait until someone else writes about you- someone not directly involved in the organization. People get concerned otherwise, and everything gets harder- see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. One thing that stood way out were the trademark symbols all throughout the text. Keep in mind that if you saw the kind of article we'd want on this topic, you might not even like it. It would be bland and neutral. It should be based more on what other people have written about the group than on what the group says about itself. A quick googling suggests there may be plenty of third-party sources covering this topic. So maybe it's doable, but you're going to have to tread very carefully to write about this from the inside and still have the results look like an encyclopedia topic. Friday (talk) 16:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Pioneer Clubs article cut n paste[edit]

No, this is not a cut and paste. It is our original work based on our research. Pcmidweek (talk) 16:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)pcmidweek

Reply[edit]

I'm very sorry for stirring up controversy, and I will ask my question somewhere else. I simply wanted some information regarding my situation because I find it difficult to talk to my parents and my friends about stuff like this. I assure you that where I live in the UK the age limit is 16 so I am not underage. I will ask my question on yahoo answers I just didn't want the hassle of making a yahoo account to ask one question when wikipedia account was quicker. Thank you for your patience. Skutterless love (talk) 20:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...[edit]

...for reverting that BS on my user page!

21655 ωhατ δo γoυ ωαητ? 20:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Review[edit]

To avoid confusion, I was saying that I do want the page back, but I believe that Geogre will not accept that in any situation, as he has made comments towards that effect over at AN/I. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. Surely there is some solution to be had here that is acceptable all around. Friday (talk) 16:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't really know. Geogre's style is very particular and, as you can see from his comments on my talk page, he wont accept me as a user of Wikipedia at all. As you can see from George Faulkner and his writing style, it is strange that he would criticize mine. Most of his comments are uncited, have strong point of view, aren't verified, and his references are vague and general. He has criticized my sources, even though they are written by the experts in the field. He claimed that Ehrenpreis, a major Swift biographer who wrote the definitive 3000+ plus biography and published the final one in 1983, was not a correct reference. I don't really understand how his actions are proper for the encyclopedia. He makes constant remarks that are generalized and lack sourcing, diffs, or the rest, and seems to only push his own POV upon whatever topic. Yes, and some of the people who make edits with him regularly have followed him to various pages and made comments supporting his own. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Guy, an individual who has repeatedly been uncivil towards myself, made the following untruths, which is why I demanded diffs to verify his claims:

1. "Needless fork" - Requires a diff to prove where I was involved in editing another article that was involved with such information before I created that article. Also requires a diff to show where the content I was putting forth was part of a content dispute AND expressed a POV.
2. "trying to get out of a content dispute over OR" - Requires a diff to prove what information I put forward was OR.
3. "and UNDUE in the main article." - Requires a diff to point out where I was giving undue weight to one perspective, especially when the sources I used are part of the leading scholarship in the field.

If you cannot understand why his allegations are unjustified, and why he would need to provide diffs to back up his claim or remove them as being completely false, then I do not understand why you would support someone to make allegations without proof. Thanks. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I am way, way more interested in how to do the right thing with the content than I am in some personal dispute between editors. I didn't mean to give the impression I was picking sides. I'm on the side of the encyclopedia, not any particular editor. Friday (talk) 22:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Then don't use terms like "ruleslawyering" which are viewed as argumentative and accusatory, especially when I am being accused and I have the right to have proof provided to back up that accusation. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
You sound like someone who is more interested in fighting than in finding a good solution. This is not helpful. Friday (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
So, asking for someone to back up their claims is being argumentative? Yet Wiki policy states that if you don't voice your opinion then it is taken as if it is correct. Which is it? Shall I not defend myself against accusations that I was forking a page and pushing POV against Wiki policy? Especially one from an admin? Ottava Rima (talk) 00:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

delete[edit]

I do not want to "retire". That is only used to gain regret so a user can attack others with a bigger chance of "success". Delete my userpage and talkpage then. --Rembaoud (talk) 18:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't know what you're saying, exactly. But, you're already as deleted as we can make you- just hit "log out" and you're done. Friday (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Street Justice Band[edit]

Hi there. You speedily deleted this article, obviously seeing the message from a confused newbie who had damaged it in error whilst attempting to create his own similarly titled article. However, from what I saw briefly in the edit history before it disappeared (I was trying to revert to the previous version at the same time you were deleting) it was an established article going back many months, about a band that appeared to satisfy notability, and with a long edit history from a number of contributors. I don't know if admins can easily restore deleted articles, but would you mind checking to make sure it really did warrant deletion and not reversion? Thanks. -- Karenjc 15:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it has history going back a few months. It was edited almost entirely by one account, and it's about the same band as the also recently deleted Street justice (band). What makes you say it looked notable? It was unsourced, and they don't appear to have any actual records but a demo. Friday (talk) 15:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
No, that's fine - as I say, I only got a very brief look at the history, just long enough to see that it wasn't a recent creation, and to register that they appeared to have a record label, a reasonable lifespan and a recording history I think. (Insert deity of your choice) knows we have enough puff pieces on here as it is - just wanted to be sure a well-meaning newbie hadn't accidentally got something worthwhile deleted by mistake. Thanks for checking :) -- Karenjc 16:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
That's cool- A few seconds spent double-checking is a good price to pay for making sure it wasn't a mistake. Friday (talk) 16:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Help a user with an imposter[edit]

I wonder if you could help or advise our friend Cardinal Raven with the situation in this RD thread. I found the history/contribs of the imposter, but don't really know how to proceed. Thanks. --LarryMac | Talk 16:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Since it looked like the account was only being used to impersonate, I blocked it indefinitely. Thanks for pointing this out. Friday (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

High School Musical 4[edit]

I would like to have a copy of the deleted version of High School Musical 4. Please leave it on my talk page. Thanks.

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for the heads-up, will do next time. I see now [given the user's nonsense contribs] that G1 would probably have been applicable. I could have used PROD in this case, or the db template. ><RichardΩ612 19:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

I see you removed my question, but could you help me? Or could you put it back so some other person could help me? Please?--Denmore (talk) 21:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

It's quite difficult for me to take you seriously as a new editor with an earnest question. But, if you are.. there's a whole internet full of porn; surely you don't need Wikipedia to help you find it. If you're just here to play silly games, just move along. There's a whole internet full of forums also, where this kind of thing is more welcome than here. Friday (talk) 21:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm just an average internet user. And whenever I search porn it just brings up nasty stuff that I don't want to see. Plus I don't know how to use forums. Please could you help?--96.227.22.32 (talk) 21:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Oops, forgot to sign in.--Denmore (talk) 21:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Former article contents[edit]

Thank you, Friday. ComputerGuy890100Talk to meWhat I've done to help Wikipedia 22:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Rollback?[edit]

Hello, it's been a while. I was wondering if this is a good time for me to get rollback again. I have not misused undoing vandalism ever since. I have also contributed alot more in the mainspace (1300+ to this time). Am I ready?--RyRy5 (talk) 03:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

It's been a while?! Are you joking? I think I removed that permission just a week or two ago. I just looked at your talk page and I see one editor, only a few days ago, telling you that now is not the time. I see another editor recently telling you that you've misused the undo button. Somebody might give you rollback, but it won't be me. I would perhaps try to give you advice at this point, except that I see no evidence that you've listened to or understood any of the advice that so many editors have so patiently been giving. So, I am done trying. Friday (talk) 04:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey Friday, I directed RyRy5 here after he request rollback on my talkpage. I feel the same as you, it is still too soon. Tiptoety talk 04:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
FYI to those involved. I guess if you ask enough times, you find someone willing to say yes. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 15:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that's what kids usually do. Actually tho, I doubt it'll be harmful. RyRy's editing already requires other editors to follow him around cleaning up. I doubt he'll do any additional damage with rollback. Friday (talk) 15:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm hoping his new adopter will be able to help. I think he means well and I give him credit for persistence, just don't think it's within his scope. I certainly didn't try to write an encyclopedia at that age. Then again, internet was extremely limited when I was that young. It existed but certainly not in 99.9% of homes. I just think he wants it for the wrong reasons, namely faster to increase number of edits. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 16:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
And Neil has granted him rollback again. Mr.Z-man 17:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
yep that's what I just said above. Should be interesting. Is Neil aware of the endless asking? TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 17:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Well that didn't last long TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 03:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)