User talk:Interiot/archive3

Starting Apr12, toolserver replication for enwiki was completely down, and toolserver data appears to be old. DaBpunkt managed to get replication working again, but 1) it is not replicating quickly enough to keep up with real-time, and 2) there is a bug in the replication, and most data replicated from April 12 on is corrupt, and should not be relied upon. Both issues are being worked on.

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I usually reply here for toolserver issues (eg. issues that other people are likely to be interested in), but I may reply on your page for non-toolserver issues. If I leave a note on your talk page, I'll have it in my watchlist, so feel free to reply there.

I'll generally keep comment history as intact as possible, but I reserve the right to ruthlessly reorganize and sometimes refactor comments, to keep the page organized and keep it from growing too quickly.

Legend: Gray or = issue resolved. = outstanding todo item, = outstanding suggestion. = didn't read the red box.

Starting Apr12, toolserver replication for enwiki was completely down, and toolserver data appears to be old. DaBpunkt managed to get replication working again, but 1) it is not replicating quickly enough to keep up with real-time, and 2) there is a bug in the replication, and most data replicated from April 12 on is corrupt, and should not be relied upon. Both issues are being worked on.

Toolserver is effectively down

So, last night, there was an architectural change to make en.wikipedia.org faster. As a side effect, the toolserver currently no longer receives replication updates from enwiki. Some admin work on the toolserver will be needed to allow the toolserver to receive updates from enwiki again. Kate (consanguinity on #wikimedia-toolserver) is the primary admin on the toolserver. I'm not personally able to do anything to fix this, though I'll pass along any status updates I get. Note that the kowiki_p, mswiki_p, thwiki_p, and jawiki_p servers have long been in the same position enwiki_p is now in, and a technical solution hasn't been found for those yet, so it's possible that the toolserver will be down for some time, at least for enwiki.

There are various people who may be able to speed resolution of this issue (Wikimedia Deutschland owns the server, and have a final say in what happens on it; the Mediawiki developers, and possibly a few other people, may have some suggestions about possible technical solutions). But it still may be some time before the toolserver is available for enwiki, given how long the asian servers have been unavailable. --Interiot 13:56, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Kind of you to update us Interiot, thanks. Is there any one particular spot (on wiki) that this matter is being discussed? Regards —Encephalon 19:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I haven't seen much discussion of it. There's a little (and hopefully will be more here, fwiw. --Interiot 20:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Summary/rewrite of posts that were here, now in chronological order: Gmaxwell complained, quit the toolserver, later got root on the toolserver (coincident with becoming a mediawiki dev, I believe). DaBpunkt reported getting replication somewhat working. Current enwiki replication lag shows the data is replicated up to ~April 15th, which means that progress is being made. DaB says there are a few small bugs to be worked out, and that in general, replication is not working fast enough to keep up with real-time yet, so some optimization needs to be done, but it looks hopeful.

(oh, and some other guy complained, and there's an essay over here) --Interiot 01:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The toolserver is down for a little bit. But in this case, it's... down in a good way. Faster disks are being installed, which should make both commons/dewiki replication faster, as well as enwiki replication faster as well, hopefully. --Interiot 13:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

It's back up, obviously. Hopefully this graph starts dropping quickly. --Interiot 21:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Other toolserver stuff

The toolserver was down briefly this morning (US time), but everything should be good now. --Interiot 13:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Is there any reason to hope that something will be done to allow your editcount tool to start working again? I very much liked editcount and I imagine a large number of other people did to.

I suppose the most obvious question is who should I point this out to, in order to express a wish that whatever was broken be fixed, rather than just leaving it broken as whoever is to blame seems entirely happy to do at present. Elroch 18:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Per the red box, DaBpunkt is definitely working on it, and has been able to get a possible solution working (and FWIW, was able to get it working faster than I thought they'd be able to). If the new solution can be optimized to replicate things at least as fast a pace as enwiki was being replicated before, then that's about all that there is to do. --Interiot 16:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I hope that this problem would not be a permanent one. 10 days have past and the problem is not solved yet. Is it possible for this major inconvienience to be solved by the end of April? --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm just trying to pass on all information I hear, but I haven't been directly involved in the effort to resolve the problem. If you'd like to get effort estimates, schedule commitments, list of action items, etc, you'll have to talk to the people in #wikimedia-toolserver on IRC, or discuss it directly on DaBpunkt's talk page (he's best at German, but he knows a sufficient amount of English) --Interiot 16:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The tool seems to be running, very slowly. It has only counted about16 of my last 150 or so edits. The Republican 21:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

My editcount on en.wikipedia is now correct up to about April 21, in my estimation, which is a big step in the right direction. Elroch 10:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not really correct yet, the problem isn't fixed. --Interiot 13:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Which replication lag?

In other wikipedias (uk, ru) Interiot tool wrote Replication lag 3 days.--Ahonc (Talk) 11:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I had been meaning to fix that. It should now show the replication lag for dewiki/ruwiki/ukwiki, which is much more useful for everyone else. Enwiki users: this does NOT MEAN that enwiki is now fixed. Enwiki's replication lag will always increase at this point, but all the other sites are still replicating, and they'll have a normal replication lag. So it's best if my tool shows their replag. --Interiot 12:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should display a list with the different replication lags to make it clearer. Pegasus1138^{Talk | Contribs | Email} ---- 09:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, for now, the enwiki replication lag is not all that useful... the data stopped replicating on the evening of April 11th, and that's all there is. When enwiki starts being replicated again, it's possible we'd need three different replag indicators (enwiki, asian cluster, all the others), but until it's working, it's kind of speculation what we'll need. --Interiot 11:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

your tool (again)

Ok, now the tool is showing a replication lag of only 17 hours (less than it showed earlier) and of course, it isn't updating. Any idea why is the replication lag time screwy? JoshuaZ 03:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Replication is catching up for the wikis that are still available on the toolserver. EN is unfortunately no longer one of those. Christopher Parham (talk) 06:25, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Java editcounter

I'm a bit unavailable right now, so AySz88 is the one to ask for now... sorry. :( Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I think I have the Java working - the jar is temporarily on my computer at http://midnightteamspeak.servegame.com:4040/Wiki%20stats%20proj%20as%20of%20Apr%2013%202006%201%20AM.jar if you want to test it. --AySz88^-^ 05:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have to run (trip to see colleges) but I don't think there's too much work left.... Sorry about the timing.... For now, the directions Wikipedia:WikiProject_edit_counters/Flcelloguy's_Tool#Temporary_quick-start_directions here should work. Thanks. --AySz88^-^ 15:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

External hosting / external counters

If it is possible, I'd be willing to host this on my server. This may involve a recode, but I could give you some of my space on shared hosting. Computerjoe's talk 08:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

A resurrected Wikisign would be good, but it still wouldn't be a full toolserver. For all its faults, the toolserver was running on 100% live data sometimes, and that's the really useful part. Other people have inquired into getting live data streamed to their external computer, and making that available publically, but apparently the live stream couldn't be approved yet [1] [2]. --Interiot 08:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I mean an edit count could simply grab Special:Contributions, and then parse it. Computerjoe's talk 09:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, you should hook up with the section above, and with Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters. Yes, they're looking for a stable place to store their .jar file (and for more developers to contribute). --Interiot 09:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

That will lead you to get read block for your IP...that's what happened to Interiots first editcounter.84.56.51.68 09:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, my first editcounter wasn't blocked while the toolserver was down, it was blocked shortly after the toolserver came back online. Similarly, external edit counters may be tolerated slightly more while the toolserver has no access to enwiki data. Also, there are a number of projects at Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters that have been semi-tolerated for some time (if for no other reason than that they're often run from multiple different IP addresses, and aren't heavily used). --Interiot 09:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

A question/favour

Regarding your Wikiproject tool, could something similar be done for Portals? How complicated would it be to do? Steve block talk 09:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, that's what you wanted originally. Okay, they're available in the same script now, wikiprojects sorted on top, portals sorted on the bottom. Is there a version of {{inactive}} that's used for Portals? I couldn't find one. Or are you mostly interested in just a comprehensive list of portals? --Interiot 10:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. The portals use Category:Portals needing attention as the best fit to {{inactive}}, I guess, there's also Category:Portals under construction but that does something a little different. Mainly I was after the list, so I could scroll through and keep the portal directory up to date. Thanks a lot! Steve block talk 20:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, with enwiki not being replicated for the time being (and it's possible that even the older data will be unavailable from the toolserver), there's little point in updating en-specific scripts. --Interiot 20:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

editcount formatting

I think you forgot a </tt> somewhere when updating for enwiki_p. :) æle ✆ 2006-04-12t21:16z

Aha, sankyoo. --Interiot 21:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

User edit counter

Hi. Sorry for my english. Could you tell me one thing? Where I can find counter analogical to this for users logged on Wikia. It is exsisting? I'm writing to you becouse I find your account in the counter and I cannot find any info about it on Wikia. Please reply here, I'll check it later. Szoferka 13:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

There are several external (non-toolserver) tools at Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters. Most of them should work for other mediawiki installations, with little/no modification. --Interiot 13:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Szoferka 15:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Keep your tool available please

Interiot; yes the replication lag is reducing the current value of the tool. However, I am using it to extract historical information. Ref our earlier discussion on how to get it to display # of edits at a point in time. I still have some months of work in that area ahead of me. So, if you would please, keep the tool up even if the replication never comes back, ok? --Durin 20:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Strong strong request to keep the tool up. Its very useful in RfAs and for looking at general patterns of editors and users and many other things. JoshuaZ 20:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

First off... I'm not an admin on the toolserver, I don't really make these decisions. And there are people who are working on getting the toolserver back up for enwiki, so even if we lose the old data, we'll eventually get the new data.

That said... Domas on #wikimedia-tech on IRC says that soon the old enwiki data will be dropped from the main mediawiki cluster. If this change replicates to the toolserver, it will lose its old data. There's a workaround, that will let the toolserver keep the old data, but the current administrator is somewhat inactive lately, so it's not clear that it can be saved in time. I emailed the instructions to Kate. I'll also try to follow up on this, and see if I can get the admin's attention if they're on IRC. Also, DaBPunkt (one of the people from Wikimedia Deutschland who own the server) is trying to obtain root access, so he can do some of this work in case Kate isn't available. (ask in #wikimedia-toolserver if you want... I may not be around this weekend) --Interiot 21:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• By all means do all you can to retain the data. It is important. --Durin 21:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• There's not much I can do, other than drop by #wikimedia-toolserver, and plea for DaB/consanguinity to run the commands I sent them in the email. Feel free to do the same, since I won't be around 24/7, and consanguinity has been hard to contact lately... --Interiot 21:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Help with your new counter

Hi, I tried adding your new counter to my monobook, User:Wisden17/monobook.js but I can't seem to get it to work with all the other stuff on my monobook. You couldn't take a quick look and see if you could spot a problem coud you, please? Many thanks --Wisden17 23:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I've got it working now, sorry to bother you. --Wisden17 00:31, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I have been struggling to do installations in my monobook.js and after nearly two dozen tries it still looks a mess. I did not want to waste the time of people working on high-level problems with my idiotic problems, so I was hoping that User:Wisden17 could help me. But he/she cannot. My most recent failure is where I (again) attempted to do an exact copy and paste from the first section of User:Wisden17/monobook.js to User:Benbest/monobook.js, but it still looks a mess. What am I doing wrong? Can somebody please help me? --Ben Best 21:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

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I am having trouble with the counter myself. Is it because I have no idea how to install it? Am I just technologically challenged? Thank you for your time, my Monobook.js file can be found at User:IanManka/monobook.js — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 01:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Turns out, I am technologically challeged, and I figured out my problem, a la Wisden17 (just faster :P) — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 01:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

All this computer-speak is leaving me as a non-computer geek completely baffled. I know nothing about computer programming and although have been a user on Wikipedia for nearly a year, I can just about barely turn the PC on. Could anyone help me at all with running the edit-counter tool? Preferably without too much downloading.... It's a real shame your tool doesn't work (or doesn't "replicate" I think is the right word) because it used to be so good. It still is, if only it could be updated :'-(
– Jared Preston 07:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Problems with JS tool

Hi, I have installed the edit counter, but when I go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js, and enter my username, it says 'Retrieving Data', but it does not actually retrieve the data, it stays stuck on that page forever. Any suggestions please? - Nick C 10:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

What browser are you using? (Internet Epxlorer, Firefox, Safari...) It will take a little bit of time to run, as it has to download the full contributions list for you, and then process it. Can you wait a little while (2 minutes if on broadband and a modern computer, longer if you're on an older computer or on a modem) to see if some results come? --Interiot 12:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I waited about a minute before trying to close the window (Internet Explorer), but the browser didn't like that at all and my Internet crashed as a result. I would have thought that even with 2.5mb broadband I shouldn't have to wait for more than at most 20 seconds.... – Jared Preston 15:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

It does take some time to download the full text of Special:Contributions, and then it needs to parse the data in your browser, which makes the browser somewhat slow, and the time it takes may vary depending on the speed of the computer. It does sound like it was processing it though, could you let it go for a longer amount of time? (for what it's worth, I think most external edit counters do take more than a minute to run for an account with 2000+ edits) If you're counting an account with 30k+ edits, you may have to wait 5+ minutes, as Wikipedia takes some time to generate the full set of data. --Interiot 15:54, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:'-( After 10 minutes, still nothing is happening, I only see "Retrieving data..." and I know I only have something between 2000 and 2500 posts. What happens if you try my username? Does it work at all? – Jared Preston 16:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Oooooh, check this out – I tried it again and this time "Retrieving data..." just flashed up and then vanished completely.... Can't see anything now! *LOL* – Jared Preston 16:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

• Okay okay, it acts weird for me too. I'll... see if I can fix this sometime. (if anybody else is interested and knows javascript, it's easy to make a copy of the tool and hack at it, in case anyone wants to add features or whatnot). --Interiot 16:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

The js tool only works if you put this in your monobook.js file:

//Back-up edit counter
//Visit [[User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js]] in emergencies!
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' 
    + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js' 
    + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');

It works for me, at least (I just tried it). If it still doesn't work for you, I know js and I can toy with it until it does. --M@thwiz2020 19:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, Jared, I was able to get your edit count. Here it is: (removed since Jared is able to run it now -Interiot)

I hope adding it to monobook helps! --M@thwiz2020 19:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I have added it to my monobook.js, but it still does not work. I am using Mozilla Firefox. - Nick C 20:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

To Nick: Another problem is that you have to go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js and not http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js . Go to the first site named a press control and F5 at the same time. The page will force a complete refresh, implementing all recent monobook changes. Next, do you see the input box and submit button? If so, click on Tools > Javascript Console in Firefox and then "clear". Then type in your username on the page and click submit and then report to me what the Javascript console said.

To Interiot: The counter works fine when I choose to count my edits or your edits, but it doesn't work for Ligulem. I wonder why. Too many edits, maybe? --M@thwiz2020 22:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, slow down on the huge cut-n-pastes, my talk page gets long enough without them. :)

I tried it on InternetExplorer, and saw some problems. For instance, names with spaces in them should (currently) be run with an underscore instead of a space. Also, if you enter an invalid name, the script isn't really user-friendly, it doesn't tell the user there's a problem. Those should be fixed. There may be some other issues too, as I still didn't quite get Nick's count working on my MSIE. Using Firefox/Opera/anything other than MSIE is generally a good idea, but I'd like to make the counter work for everyone. --Interiot 22:13, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't see this post until now. I must have skipped it. I fixed the space problem (but with spaces, not underscores) and I was just about to bring up the problem with nonexistent users but you beat me to it. When it XML loads the page and checks for matches, how about just returning 0 if there are no matches? Do that before the for loop. As for IE, I can't get any username to work in IE. I'll try to stop cutting and pasting, but it's fun! --M@thwiz2020 22:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, Nick - I fixed it! There was a problem with usernames with spaces (clicking submit replaced the space with a plus sign) but I fixed it. Interiot, if you don't want my changes, feel free to revert them. --M@thwiz2020 22:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Huh, I didn't think others would be able to edit it. Thanks for fixing it. I'm all for others fixing things, but I guess I'll have to keep an eye on it to make sure no bugs are introduced on integration. Wiki-javascript, how thrilling. --Interiot 22:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know there was wiki-javascript until I saw your tool. How neat! Just one quick question - integration with what? --M@thwiz2020 22:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Integration as in... Hrm, wikipedia doesn't have a decent article. With more formal processes, there's a build team who's responsible for making sure that only good code gets integrated into the working copy, that random people aren't allowed to make random changes that might cause new bugs. (that's not meant in a negative way... even in large corporations, where employees are generally trusted, there's still a team that tests changes that are being made to the core product) --Interiot 23:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help everyone, but it still does not work on Firefox, it says 'Warning: Unresponsive Script', and when I press continue, it still pops up with that error message. - Nick C 12:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Mathwiz2020! :-) Have I done this right? User:Jared Preston/monobook.js
It still doesn't work for me, you see. Every time I press the submit button it takes about 5-10 seconds before the screen goes blank again. Is this just a problem with Internet Explorer? I only ask because although I don't know anything about computers, many people say IE isn't as good as its rivals and I haven't got the time, money or patience to afford to change. Anyway, we're going in the right direction. Thanks, everyone! :-) – Jared Preston 00:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I use Mozilla Firefox, but when I tried it in IE, it didn't work, either. Maybe you should switch? It's a free download - [3]. --M@thwiz2020 01:10, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm one hell of a sceptic, but it seems good. Can you swap between the two easily enough? And my biggest question of all - does it cause PC's with Windows XP any big problems in downloading a new browser? Jared Preston 01:13, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

The switch for me was very easy, and it installed fine on XP. It's much safer than IE because it doesn't use ActiveX (which hackers can use to gain access to your computer). Regarding the barn star, thank you! I've always wanted, as I read on someone else's user page, "wiki-bling". And boy was this act random... --M@thwiz2020 01:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

If I go to that link and download Firefox, does it install itself or is it a long, drawn-out process? And apart from cons such as the Browser not being able to read Microsoft websites such as msn.com, what are the real problems? Oh, and you're welcome. That Star must be chav-tastic! Jared Preston 01:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

It basically installs itself. You just have to click next a few times (all the default options are fine - no spyware or anything is installed) and you're done! You can still go to websites such as msn.com. The only websites you can't go to are those such as Windows Update. Windows Update, in order to install files on your computer, uses ActiveX, which is disabled in Firefox. (A hacker could also install malicious software on your computer using ActiveX which is why Firefox disables it.) Look at Comparison_of_web_browsers. Firefox trumps IE, especially in "browser features" and "vulnerabilities". One excellent Firefox feature is "tabbed browsing" - not only can you have multiple windows open, but you can have tabs within a window! I'm going to bed now (and so should you - it's 1:30 where you live) but if you have more questions, you can ask another Wikipedian (most use Firefox). --M@thwiz2020 01:30, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

It's 2:30am here, I'm in British Summer Time. Where are you? You've definitely sold FireFox to me. I shall spend my Easter Sunday consulting and let you know when I've changed. But in the meantime, it would still be nice if Interiot's Cool-Tool would work from any browser. Interiot rocks, and so does his tool! :-D – Jared Preston 01:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot about BST. (I gave you UTC time instead.) I'm in the US, so I'm more familiar with DST (Daylight Savings Time, our BST equivalent, or +1 hour from Apr-Oct). I'll work on finding the faulty code and getting it to work with IE. Until then, Happy Easter! --M@thwiz2020 01:40, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

You're in the US and you're going to bed now????? Hopefully just for a power nap! And God knows you need it spending all your time trying to help dunces like me. But I do love editing Wikipedia so it's nice to be rewarded with a little editcount every now and then. I don't ask for much in return for my time and *ahem*..... knowledge!!!! *lol* Jared Preston 01:43, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I first watched the 10:00 news (grr, the only 10:00 news where I live is conservative and I'm a liberal) and then went to sleep early so I could get up early and read the Sunday paper (I typically read the Sunday paper for a minimum of 2 hours every week). As you can tell, I'm not the typical nerd/geek/whatever stereotype you apply to Wikipedia editors. --M@thwiz2020 18:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, thats a nice tool. Btw, how long will it take to be proted to IE7? --soUmyaSch 15:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to do it eventually, but since the toolserver seems like it may be fixed soon, it may not be ported over unless someone else does it. --Interiot 15:25, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Toolserver

I am thinking about trying to stir up support for a toolserver we can count on, colocated with the main server cluster. I think there are a lot of reasons for this, the most general being a system like that, with low barriers to entry (as opposed to code changes in mediawiki) and relatively little or no threat to the database is a better system in principle than changes to the code. More people and lower barriers mean more responsive change and tools that suit the needs of sub-communities within the larger wikipedia community. Also, I think as usage increases handling some aspects of wikipedia cannot be done in a pure wiki environment. Images and the prod system are excellent examples.

I was wondering about your thoughts on this, I don't want to rush into anything, but even if it comes to fund raising, I can't imagine it would be that hard to raise the money for one box. - cohesion 22:52, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I generally agree with you, yes... having a real-time box that people can run experimental queries on would be a very good thing. I think the issues with the current toolserver are more management issues, and less technical or funding. The machine that's there now is technically pretty capable. But the current admin is relatively inactive. I have some ideas about possible solutions that would be agreeable to everyone involved, but I haven't brought them up yet.

FWIW, the reason the toolserver has been unstable lately, is because MediaWiki code and architecture is changing, to make wikipedia faster for everyone. That's not a bad thing, we just need toolserver admins who are active enough to make the corresponding changes on the toolserver to keep up with the mediawiki changes. That's all. --Interiot 23:22, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Do you think, in the current context, that those political issues are easier to fix than it would be to get a new toolserver more under the control of the same people doing the en:wiki changes? I don't really know, but I think there is the possibility that while the issues are mainly political they could still be very difficult to overcome. - cohesion 23:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it political really, AFAIK nobody is trying to thwart anything, or doing anything to outright hold up progress. The admin position is an unpaid, voluntary job, and the current primary admin has other real-life things to do, and that's fine, since it's a voluntary position. There should just be provision for alternate admins, or others to be able to step in and help when needed (eg. Gmaxwell has volunteered many, many times). My guess is that it's easier to fix these management issues, but I haven't looked into it much to see if these are issues that really can be resolved or not. Gmaxwell has given up, fwiw, but I'm still optimistic. --Interiot

I was bold and started a page for a more centralized discusson Wikipedia:Toolserver. I have talked to a few other people but the discussion on this page is the longest. I think we probably should have a better place to talk though, hope no one yells at me too much. I hope you can comment on there as you obviously know a lot about the situation, I'm just trying to act as a catalyst :) - cohesion 01:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'd call this a hopeful sign of progress. DaB is working on a replication tool, and Gmaxwell sounds like he knows what he's doing in general, so hopefully the technical issues can be tackled now, instead of wrestling with managerial issues. --Interiot 11:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, very good news, I still like the idea of a centralized area for listing the uses on enwiki, but a lot of my whining probably isn't necessary anymore :) Also, when I said political, I didn't mean to imply someone was actively being malevolent, just that there might be inefficiencies politically rather than technically :) Talk to you later. - cohesion 18:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

If we hold a funding drive, I bet all the wikipediholics with editcountitis would raise thousands! Some people (me) are that addicted... --M@thwiz2020 23:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

My edits

Interiot, I'm really confused about how you can find out edits on your own. So do you think you could find out my edits and stuff? (Note: my username is Icelandic Hurricane, there is no #12) Icelandic Hurricane #12 13:43, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Interiot, I'm sorry to cut and paste, but I have to. Icelandic, here's your edit count: In the future, just go to User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js and type in your username. --M@thwiz2020 18:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

(edit-count dump moved to User talk:Icelandic Hurricane). --Interiot 12:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Editcount - wrong link

If you browse the commons statistics, and you click on "browse" to show a gallery of all upload pictures, a wrong syntax for Daniels tool is used. F.E. [4] should be [5]. -- Amtiss, SNAFU ? 14:25, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Interiot 14:33, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

2 points to editcounter

Hi. I use the edit counter from time to time. But there is no possibility to find cs.wikisource (which is quite new, I know), and I also do not know how to count my edits on the multiligual wikisource.org. Can you help? Answer here, it is OK, thanks, -jkb- 16:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

For multilingual, would sourceswiki_p work? For cs.wikisource, that will probably be showing up in a few days. --Interiot 17:13, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Great. Sourceswiki works there, as I see. And I can surely wait some days for cs.source... :-) - many thanks and happy Easter, ---jkb- 17:18, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, you can change the URL to use cswikisource_p now [6], even though it doesn't currently show up in the list. (I don't control the list currently). --Interiot 17:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Tool 2

HI Interiot. I need some help with your second tool setup. It would seem I entered the code in my monobook to view my edit count and then I went to User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js and typed my name in to see my edit count but all it says it "Retrieving data..." and then nothing. Can you help? Moe ε 19:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Firefox or IE? The counter doesn't seem to work in the latter. --M@thwiz2020 20:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

IE. So it won't work at all? Darn, could someone pull it up for me? Moe ε 03:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I've now downloaded Firefox and the edit-counter seems to work, but whenever I try to count your edits, Moe, it doesn't work. Maybe you have too many? Anyway, I wonder why the counter doesn't work in IE *scratches head* Jared Preston 08:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it doesn't do so well for 15k+ edits. Firefox popped up the "script has been running for a long time, do you want to kill it?" box several times. Maybe some other tool would be more preferable for extremely heavy users. --Interiot 12:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

That happened to me as well, as last time I checked with your other counter (the one that uses tool server) I have 2000+ edits. - Nick C 12:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that, for someone with ~7000 edits, the "do you want to stop this script" pops up only once. But for someone with 10000+ edits, it popups up incessantly and the script doesn't seem to work at all. --M@thwiz2020 13:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Does this tool have repication lag? - Nick C 18:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It is as up-to-date as Special:Contributions (which I believe is real-time) because the tool actually goes to your contribs and reads the data. (That's also why it doesn't work for people with 7500+ edits - it overloads your browser loading all the contrib pages and harvesting the raw HTML.) --M@thwiz2020 19:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The edit counter

Is it functional now? It has not updated my edits for what seems to be at least a week. Is there something I should do to help it update? Thanks in advance, Kukini 00:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Please see User:Interiot/Tool2 for detailed instructions. --M@thwiz2020 00:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Cripes, one wonders how others get to the talk page but I do, when I'm the one with a message indicator. Anyway, my original response:

Send money to my secret PO box, send lots of money. No, I don't know that there's much you can do, unless you're a whiz with MySQL administration. --Interiot 00:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I know a programmer who deals my MySQL daily for her job. But, she doesn't use Wikipedia...

What I did was I travelled at the speed of light, thereby freezing time for me, which gave me the ability to see your message, create a new page, and then, only after writing an entire how-to guide, respond, all before you did. Speaking of which, you should read the notice at the top of my user page - it's quite amusing. --M@thwiz2020 01:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good, Bob. --Interiot 01:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I didn't mean the part about my name not being Bob (it's not, I swear!) and I didn't mean the three quotes - well, I kind of did. I meant the blue box at the top about my quasi-wikibreak (which, incidentally, is the third quote on the list, but I recommend reading it at the top instead). I'm a math whiz, but I have science humor. --M@thwiz2020 01:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Why'd you remove the notice? It'll save a lot of time (for me) answering all your messages. --M@thwiz2020 01:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Precisely. It's my talk page, and I prefer to get some editing done without having the message indicator popping up incessantly, without people carrying on longish conversations that I'm not part of, and without another person starting to almost edit my talk page more than I do. I certainly appreciate the help with the code, etc, but if it's going to be a community thing, maybe the conversation should be centralized somewhere other than my talk page. And it's not like I've had problems answering the questions before. Anyway, my toolserver counter (where I presume most people stumble across the javascript counter) points to your intro page now. (I didn't intend to obscure the link to the page, but christ, I'm used to being the one who decides what gets posted to the very top of my talk page) --Interiot 02:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, y'all, but the above left me a tad confused. Is the counter as I am using it on my user page broken? Kukini 03:15, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

OK...I see, it is down...I just read above. Sorry to bug ya. Kukini 03:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I was just trying to help. I thought that, with the notice, people would stop bugging you as much, but now that you changed the link to point to the intro, it's better now. I'll stop replying on your talk page so often, too. --M@thwiz2020 23:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi There—Want to be a HERO?

or Three semi- tools (URL capabilities or click boxes for edits) I'd really love to see

Hi (again)!

Want to be a hero?

• IMHO, to thousands!!!
  

1. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mel_Etitis#Found_a_workable_solution ... and the subsection immediately above. I was assuming you were still away!
2. Would be really useful for short posts to NOT add a section, but just 'Append' an user talk page. ('&section=last')
   1. For Messages generally like: OK-I've posted a new point on Talk: Any Article of Interest ~~~~
   2. I'd described a 'click box' similar to the '+' box (to someone this past month) on the default skin for same, thus hypothesizing a '+append bottom' and '+newSection' edit URL launch. What do you think. Seems technically fairly simple as one techy to another. Am I right this might just be a script 'upgrade', or will system software be involved?
3. Also would like to see a '&edit:section=top' or some equivilent suffix one can easily type onto a page's URL to launch such an edit coresponding to just the introduction section (&section=0') on long article pages... I seem to be doing a lot of that to upgrade into compliance with WP:MOS recapp the article standards. Perhaps this would be better by presenting every page with an automatic edit click box?
   1. It's pretty cumbersome to have to click the next section down, then copy the url, backspace into the original page (Avoidable if editing only forward, but I stack edits a lot, so I need to backspace a lot— (which was iirc now, the subject of my prior post to you), I'd forgotten! Do I get points for consistancy of need? <G>) — ...paste in the URL indexing 'section=1', modify the section index to say '&section=0' then hit return (or GO)
   2. All of which Assumes my cut buffer (i.e. windows clipboard) can be sacraficed (which normally is NOT the case), and doesn't contain some source text or links that I want to modify and adapt in the page now being upgraded.
   3. As you can see, I have some wideranging need— and this doesn't count some rather unforunately lost 'stacks of edits' these last several weeks when the Firefox browser just closed out on me unexpectedly— some hotkey I inadvertantly press, or perhaps a CRTL+ALT combo... I haven't pinned it down, but I seem to be miskeying reaching for 'CTRL-F'. Or perhaps I'm instead hitting CTRL-G or CTRL-ALT-V. If I find out, I'll block it in a heartbeat!
4. I've just had to cease using Firefox for 'editing efforts' it and so now use only for reference pages, talk, wtachlist, etc.! I can't afford to do the same edits over and over and over! Can anyone?

If there is a better place or way to request these minor tools/extensions, please advise on my talk or email ASAP! Thanks.

Best regards, and nice to visit you again!...

I guess I better check above to see if you gave an answer my last! (One of bigger problems with '+' mode is inability to 'look above' so and check!) FrankB 09:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Returning to my prior Query, now archived

Aside-I've already completed the post for the next section -- i.e. a template solution? But since I went to check the prior query re: Your answer: User_talk:Interiot/archive2#Long Bomb (Hail Mary Pass) ...
Yes, but is disruptive, potentially confusing, and if it's so darn easy, why didn't you answer on my talk, or other folks like Tony Sidaway, etc. who essentially never do. Besides, I just started using a Tabbed browser (Some of us are Polish, thus dense! <G> As well as being one of the old folks not into a web-based culture, save perhaps now in this community. I'm primarily a hardware guy, and the web is just a minor tool to me used perhaps once a week excepting daily email, if that— at least before WikiP— but even old farts learn slowly. But That new tabbing capable browser's had it's own perils... see below on India example.)

I'm lucky to have time to look at once, much less police my watchlist more than once or twice any given week, much less several times an 'edit night'— if I did that, I have no time to ADD to WikiP, which is my hot button. Moreover, the essential part of the prior question was:

No! Not for the RUDE arogant SOB, but for the many editors that follows a link from one preview window, sees a need of another edit, makes that, follows a link from the new preview2 window, follows that finds another problem and so opens an edit-Nth window... Eventually we've got to save each final 'preview', and backspacing too far is very easy indeed! and can be disorienting to the point of confusion.

I've lost big significant edits that way, same deal with second browser pages being open– it gets confusing as to what is 'done' and what still needs saved, and where that what is! Especially if you're also involved in more urgent interactive activities like mediating edit wars and the like while also trying to be productive on your own projects.

I do that sort of editing all the time, and it IS a real pain (intense, have to stay very focused) trying to figure whether you've backed the right number of windows to the last 'unsaved' first or or some other earlier edit. Not to mention the intervening N-1, N-2,..., with (again the key factor) probably multiple previews.

Consider: The general demography of the typical editor here seems to be 25-30 years younger, which is to say far less widely read in history, so they miss connections that are crystalized knowledge to me, a lifelong history buff and avid reader. This is also generally true of many tech articles where I also patrol and contribute a lot of adds.

• e.g. There is an article on French India, One on India, one on the Seven Years War, another on Napoleon's expedition to the Suez and the battle of the Nile, another on the fourth Anglo-Dutch war (Am. revolution triggered), yet none of those explain the very simple fact that the Strong British Empire we all know about Came to be because of the historical linkage between the thing not explained in any of them (this was a bad lost edit thanks to tabbed brower— call it six man-hours lost made during an all-nighter —I'm 51, pulling an 'All-nighter' is rather tough on the old carcass!)

The missing facts are, to wit, that most of the French Empire (numerically and financially stronger, equal in 'high tech', the best armed, most populous country in europe, etc.) was shattered and became p/o the British as part of the Naval Battles between France and Britain, which were part of the Seven Years Wars, though a few of the 'French and Indian Wars' (4) also lead to an erosion of French Sea Power. Thus 25+ years years later, the French revolutionary government sent Napoleon in 1798 to Egypt who's primary strategic aim was trying to re-establish the French in a strong position viz the dominent British Sea Power so they could take back the lucretive silk and spice trade that was making Britian even more strong... So strong, that India became called The Crown Jewel of the British Empire. Take away the aquisition of India, and the World would speak a lot of French! To this day, the French Navy still hasn't regained parity of force to the UK. They came close in WW-I, but never closed the gap, in material nor in men. The French had better ships — the British had 'Iron Men'

Thus, being able to connect such, is where I try to spend most my WikiTime. I trust you'll agree that sort of 'historical glue' is rather interesting and important! I say this not to blow my own horn, but because I have been wounded by trying to open other window, tabs, etc. to the point of getting confused, closing the wrong browser, forgetting an edit is in that browser, or worse, having the whole lot suddenly crash because I'm using too many system resources locally.

I've reformed my practices a lot in the past three weeks, but I will not edit in a tabbed browser save for minor edits. I've been burned close to a man-week between Firefox and Netscape. That tabbing is fine for monitoring stuff, but that's all I'm going to use them for henceforth. Besides neither searches into an edit window to find typos and bad links in long articles which really slows things up at times when the article is 10+ kbytes and longer.

None of this addresses the 'Stack Popping' concept technical feasibility, which is where this section began and now ends. CLOSURE! <G> Now you can see why it is of more than minor interest to me, however careful I'll be going forward to not stack edits more than three deep and to save more often in general (My new 'co-partial solutions') ... may as well let the edit count build some! I just don't like junking up the history record but that attitude is giving way to time realities like these.

So, returning to the technical issue: is something like that stack popping do-able? Best! FrankB 09:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Related Thought—Productivity Tool#4 Suggestion

Hmmmmm, perhaps you can automate the short genre messages like "See my answer on my Talk", like (conjecturally)

... perhaps as a template that auto-appends and also auto-subst's the indicated message on both talks. Another good thought here! I don't know enough about scripts or templates to know, but like:

{{Templatename | 'Routing (always a user talk)' | 'Brief message text' }} <--stub--> {{ SeeMyTalk | <s>fabartus</s> Interiot | Expand && subst 'to Brief message text' and append both talk pages }} or some such Quick and dirty and easy to write thing. T'would be nice to have a second version that puts 'Brief text message' into the summary at the same time.

Thus the 'old guard' used to (wikiP==small), wouldn't have to leave one's own edit page to be courteous!

Assuming such can be done! That would really handy and be nice! DO you give green stamps along with listening to wish lists, Santa? FrankB 09:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I like Napoleon. --Interiot 10:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC) (So did Josephine!!! <G>)

• Belated apologies on this post- I saved it just a moment before second thinking the clutter it causes 4U — Chaulk up too yet another 'All NIghter' trying to play catch up! Best regards, FrankB 17:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• Whichever. If you can write an initial, basic question or statement in only two sentences, I'd be happy to respond. Otherwise I'm not sure that a normal person would be expected to try to parse the entire 1719-word question. --Interiot 17:40, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah I was babbling, sorry again.

1. I was asking on feasibility of ideas specifically, would be nice to just be able to add somthing like: '&Edit=append' to tack on short messages to talk pages WITHOUT starting a new section title, so the references to '+' which creates a new section when appending.
2. The other big one was the ability to compare a sandbox version to a article space version. The link I gave in the very first two items above shows one 'clumsy' way I have found by trial and error, so the question is how hard would it be to generalize it by giving the two (I'll use heirarchial references path and file) so you could type something like ArticleName&diff=current&old=Path/file=current i.e. so the system does the work of figuring out the index or key code or whatever you guys call the numeric page reference I specified manually by accessing the history. This would aid much in making major changes 'off line' in the sandbox, then updating any subsequent changes by others, before overwriting a new revised (and probably totally reorganized) version.
3. I'm section editting, so three will have to wait another day.
4. Four has the same mission as #1-- leave a short message on a target's user page, but asks whether it can be done using a template from one's own talk page with a template named SeeMyTalk ("SeeMyTalk | Interiot | Message"), so as to co-post both pages. i.e. I'm already on 'the' talk page Interiot should see (The general form would be any talk page including article talks, so 'SeeTalk'). Both versions 'knows' it's referencing the current-page, but presumably the latter would also need a signature, as it can't be infered by the system when it 'substs' for the template in both locations. The refinement would also add some appropriate boiler plate, so on an article talk it would expand to: "Notified Interiot to see this talk because: Message ~~~~"... or something along those lines. Conversely on Interiot's talk it would say: "user:fabartus says see Talk:SomeTalkPage because Message Timestamp FrankB".

• Thus, it would save some time as well as unload the servers since wouldn't require navigating to Interiots page, editting, saving, and doing the same at whatever talk you were starting from.

All due respect to Napoleon, but even he'd like things that saved time! Best regards, we may never look at three! FrankB 06:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Discrimination in edit counts

Hi Interiot , when i use this link: Edit counts it shows my edit counts as 101 and it has got stuck to this number only for many days now. but when i use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js?username=amit_jain_online, this link it dispalys the actual counts , i just want to ask how can i fix it --Amit jain online

There's nothing you can do for now, other than use the Tool2/code.js. de:Benutzer:DaB. believes he has a fix that may be available soon. --Interiot 22:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe I have a similar problem - my edit count has been stuck at 9705 ever since early this week. The replication lag went from 2 days to 6 seconds without updating my count. I think I've made more than 300 edits in the interim - please see what you can do. Thanks, Rama's Arrow 00:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Please see the top few paragraphs on this page. The replication is for dewiki, which is replicating. Enwiki is not replicating. (actually, it's briefly replicating, but I don't konw if it's fully working yet). --Interiot 00:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Flcelloguy's Tool

You may be interested in that we got a SourceForge account for the Tool, accessible here. Right now, it seems the CVS server has a replication lag (ah, sounds familiar), but the JAR file is publicly available now. Want to take it out for a test drive? Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit Counts

The statistics don't seem to be changing since last week. (Reply at my talk page) Ω Anonymous anonymous Ψ: ''Have A Nice Day'' 22:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

ok Ω Anonymous anonymous Ψ: ''Have A Nice Day'' 22:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Mine has been at 1408 for 1 1/2 weeks...HurricaneCraze32 22:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Why do you read each other's comments, but not mine at the top?

(FWIW, I've tried to figure out how to always force a blurb to show up at the bottom of the talk page, but I haven't figured out how to do it yet... if mediawiki supported <tfoot>, I could do it). --Interiot 22:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I know it's possible, you may want to look at El C's talk page. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 22:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think the Poetry at the bottom of the page was added on manually and not an automatic footer (If that's what you're referring to as the method). I used the same ending outline for a test on my talk page and it didn't seem to work--new text entered when I used the edit+ button was still added below.—G.He_(Talk!) 23:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. If people hit the "+" button, it sticks it at the bottom, and then ElC has to manually move it back up. However, with tfoot, the blurb that appears at the bottom is actually internally located at the top of the wikitext, so hitting "+" would never mess it up. Anyone think that would convince the devs? --Interiot 23:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, frump me. This works in Firefox, but not MSIE. Gee, would could have seen that coming. --Interiot 18:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Celestianpower has a floating image at the bottom of his user page. Maybe you can tweak the code to allow for text, instead. --M@thwiz2020 19:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see the floating image you're refering to... am I missing something? Are you seeing it in IE/Firefox? On main page or talk? --Interiot 21:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

It's in Firefox on his main page. There's a floating Esperanza logo in the bottom right. All he does is include another page with the code. That page (and the code that generates it) are at User:Celestianpower/Float. --M@thwiz2020 22:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see, I see. 'Course, it doesn't work in MSIE6 (which this technique does, at least), let alone MSIE5. If IE would just fall over and die right now, I think I'd be able to live a much happier life. --Interiot 22:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Use both methods. Then, everyone will be able to view it! Or, because the edit counter doesn't work in IE, just only use the Firefox method and persuade all IE users to switch. --M@thwiz2020 22:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

No, I basically used the method described here. And voila, it looks like it's working, at least on the browsers I tested it on so far. It aint the least bit pretty though, thanks to MSIE. --Interiot 23:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

About the Subaru article

About the Subaru article, I understand your point and the guide you mentioned... but I was wondering what can be done about getting wikipedians to voluntarily acknowledge they drive Subarus? It's just out of curiosity...

And thanks once again for the "wrist-slap"... now that I know the guidelines I won't do that again! --ric_man 23:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I see your point on how the wiki shouldn't be referencing a handful of wiki users / editors. I don't think the discussion tab for Subaru is a useful place to put it, as I was always lead to believe that was for discussing things that happened to the article. I'll leave it as it is, and let people find out about it "organically".

Btw. since you're an admin, can you delete a page for me? I stuffed up when I was adding a category to the user template thingy, and now there's a stupidly named category being Category:Wikipedians who own Subaru a vehicle. They don't hand out "dumb-arse for typos" awards here do they? --ric_man 01:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all that, and thanks for the tips about the templates... didn't know how to flag down admins to delete pages... --ric_man 02:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

StubSense

Hi Interiot. We all know you are good at programming, but this one really impressed me. Thumbs up! I don't quite understand why you wrote that this tool should only be used on non-stub categories? I did a few test runs looking for potential child categories, and the tool seemed to work fine [7] (except that it doesn't show the template for the {{UN-stub}} correctly - bottom right - but this seems to be the exception that proves the rule.) I was hoping to use the tool looking for double stubbed articles (e.g. work through Category:African politician stubs and see how many are double stubbed with {{Nigeria-bio-stub}}. It seems to work fine for this purpose. Best regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 11:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, you're right. No, it's not really specific to non-stub categories, that's just the way I explained it on that page. It's good you're thinking outside the box.  :) Yes, I have to fix the bug sometime, that it's sometimes not finding template tags. For what it's worth (since you're thinking outside the box), the tool was inspired by, and operates very similar to, some other tools. See, I'm not so impressive. (though the new toolserver/tags list thing is all mine, you can say I'm brilliant for that :) --Interiot 12:19, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, it should be a little more polished now. --Interiot 19:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

this diff

Just to confirm (see the diff references in the subject), the students in the Schuykill valley are.... delicious? --Bachrach44 15:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hehe. It was so NPOV and over-the-top, it just needed a tiny push to send it over the edge... Anyway, I reverted it and expanded the article a bit for penance. --Interiot 21:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Your Edit Counter Code

I was wondering if your edit counter code would work for Wikia. If it's possible, and I'm allowed use it, could you tell me how to make it work? Thanks.—G.He_(Talk!) 01:51, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The code is GPL'd, and if you have a DB connection, and you can make it work, have at it... --Interiot 02:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?code

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/perllib/ZedlerUtils.pm

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/user24?code

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/user7?code

So where does all this need to go? I'm not really professional at this and I'm not sure what the database connection is. (I'm trying to see if it would work for Wikia because it would be great to include it in the Inheritance Trilogy Wiki in which I'm also working on. I'm not the admin, though.) BTW, it the previous links for the code of the editcounter that's just getting fixed or is it your javascript one? Seems to be the old editcounter..Would your Javascript one be easier to install or is it just as complicated (or simple--depends on how you look at it)?—G.He_(Talk!) 02:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

If you install it on an english server, it should be relatively easy to install the JS version, just follow the instructions here. --Interiot 03:15, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I see, but where should I copy the base code to? It just says: "copy this script to the target server (this is required because of javascript cross-site security restrictions)", but to where on the server? Is there a specific file or something?—G. Or is it just a .js page?—G.He_(Talk!) 03:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, just stick it anywhere as a .js. It eventually gets loaded by the monobook.js.... as long as the script is somewhere on the same server as the monobook.js, it doens't matter what it's named. Also, I'm on IRC, if you want to discuss this in real-time... --Interiot 03:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try the script out. As for IRC, how do you use it? Do you have to register or something?—G.He_(Talk!) 03:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Does the code load immediately or does it take a while?—G.He_(Talk!) 03:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not so efficient on edit counts larger than 10k. It may take some time to run, as it has to download the full contributions list. Though, it can also fail silently. It's best to run it under Firefox, and if it pops up a "script is running for a long time, do you want to stop it?" message constantly, then it's still working. If it doesn't do anyhting at all for a while, it's not working. Sorry, it's sort of a provisional/not-fully-developed script. --Interiot 16:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that the "form" doesn't even load. Can you tell me what's wrong with [8] and [9]?—G.He_(Talk!) 21:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Minor comment

So happy to have your tool back. Minor suggestion: you may want to remove the "Replication lag is currently" display since its not-functioning(and I suspect cannot function given the new replication method). JoshuaZ 16:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

See User:Interiot/FAQ#Which_replication_lag.3F. --Interiot 16:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

A tweak on IT2 installation

When installing it my monobook, I wrapped it into an if:

if (document.title.indexOf('User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js') != -1) {
  document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' 
    + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js' 
    + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
}

This avoids downloading the file unless necessary and thus reduces bandwidth consumption (or at least spares one more connection just to get the "not modified" response) and goes easy on the browser (no need to process more JavaScript when not needed). Thought you might want to add it to installation instructions... Cheers, Misza13 ^{T C} 21:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit count discrepency

When I look for my edit counts here, I get an edit count of 573. But when I use the javascript tool it shows up as 752. If it helps, I used this code for my monobook:

//Interiot's javascript edit counter if (document.title.indexOf('User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js') != -1) {

 document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' 
   + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js' 
   + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>'); }

Is there any reason why such a discrepency in number should occur?--The ikiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 02:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Toolserver is outdated. People are working on it. (see bottom of page) --AySz88^-^ 02:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I doubt I've made 200 edits in 10 days.--The ikiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 02:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

200 edits ago was April 12th, which was 10 days ago. --Interiot 03:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow. I didn't think I did that much. OK, sorry, my bad. Great job with the tool, by the way.--The ikiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 14:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

JS Edit Counter

I see that your Javascript edit counter does not include all of the sections (Ie Move). Is it possible to update the sections to match the curretly replicating counter?—G.He_(Talk!) 03:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Moves are something extra that was added on my most developed edit counter. It's extra functionality that could be added to the javascript by anyone, but it would take some work to do. I may not be the one to do it, since I mostly focus on toolserver development since that's the fastest and most accessible platform. --Interiot 18:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The slow replication lag

Hello Interiot. I saw that the replication lag is steadily picking up (maybe about 4 replication seconds per one real life second). I guesstimated a time. At the current rate it is heading the replication lag will catch up to this point in time in 1 day 15 hours 6.5 minutes. Moe ε 14:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Err, maybe my math is a little off. ;-) Moe ε 14:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Aha, de:Benutzer:LeonWeber is actually graphing the enwiki replag. [10] It looks like the replag is pretty variable, probably partly because there's less data to process when it's replicating a nighttime, and more to process when it's replicating daytime. In general it looks like it's going up though. :( --Interiot 14:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikia

Hello Interiot. Can you tell me what's wrong with [11] and [12]? The JS doesn't seem to be functioning. Thanks.—G.He 16:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

In your monobook.js file, change "http://inheritance.wikia.com/wiki/User:GHe/editcount.js" to "http://inheritance.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:GHe/editcount.js". --M@thwiz2020 18:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. It's better, but for some reason, nothing happens when I enter in the User Name... Well, guess I better play with it a bit more to find the problem... or maybe it just doesn't load properly for the Wiki...—G.He 19:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

I should be the one saying thank you - you've kept me from suffering editcountits-unavavailability syndrome (and its associated withdrawal symptoms). As for your tool, can you move it to the project namespace (like Flcelloguy's)? --M@thwiz2020 18:29, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

After tinkering with the script for a while, I found that:

1. The script works find in IE counting the edits
2. The problem lies somewhere in function add_stats_row or function output_main_report

I also somehow manage to lock myself out of my account, but that's all fixed now. I might be a "math wiz," but I sure lack common sense. --M@thwiz2020 21:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I wrote this wiki-js to test if appendChild/createElement/the add_stats_row function works in IE. However, in doing so, I accidentally removed the part of the script which only implements it if it's the correct page. Now, for some reason, the window.onload event handler only works on the "edit" page (in this test, the onload alert only popped up on the edit page, not the main script page) so, when I went to the script page, I saw the code. But when I went to edit the page, the edit box was replaced by "Testing 123". I tried it in IE. While the "Testing 123" didn't come up, it simply erased the edit box and the whole page and put nothing in its place (kind of like when your edit counter finishes in IE). So, I thought, I could either blank the code.js file or remove it from my monobook. So I, not knowing that only admins can change js files of other users, decided to create a sock and edit it from there. Well, my sock was blocked while I was writing an explanation on my user page not to block it. My IP was also blocked. Well, when I went to my regular account to unblock the IP, that, too, was replaced by the testing notice (the testing notice doesn't replace regular pages, only their edit pages, but it does replace special pages). So I couldn't unblock my IP, and I couldn't edit from my regular account, my new sock, or anonymously. I put an unblock notice on my sock's talk page and e-mailed Martin. After about one hour, Tawker saw my unblock request and blanked my monobook. One minute later, Martin blanked the code.js file. I then was able to unblock my IP address and sort the mess out. Phew! --M@thwiz2020 21:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		I hereby award this barnstar to Interiot, for his creation of StubSense, in appreciation of the many hours of work, this tool will save me and other stub sorters. Valentinian (talk) 21:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I know you said that this tool was no big deal. That may be, but you can be sure it will save loads of very tiring work for me and other members of WP:WSS. I've been looking for a tool like this for a long time, and the new "list" feature just capped it off. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

:) Thanks. And I agree, Category:Stubs is actually starting to seem like fun now. I may well inadvertantly become a stub sorting regular because of the tool. --Interiot 22:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, stub sorting is actually a lot of fun. :) It is also a great way to learn something about new topics. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank You!

The edit counter seems to work now! Thanks for the code and all you help!! :D—G.He 03:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Spanish stubs

Hi again Interiot. I saw your new stub tool, and thought it might be useful on the Spnaish wikipedia. I was one of the people there who set up the stub sorting operation, so I know how the categorization scheme works. What exactly do you need to be able to build in the functionality? For the most part the category scheme is pretty simple, for example:

• es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo
  • es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía
    • es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía de Europa
      • es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía de España
        • es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía del País Vasco
          • es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía de Álava

The full list is at es:Wikiproyecto:Esbozos/Lista. Let me know if I can help out at all. --Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 21:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Ahh good.  :) I was looking for an example to prove it'll internationalize well, but the de.wikipedia.org guys don't do stub categories at all. Crazy people. :)

Basically, I just need to know 1) do all stub articles directly use templates? (eg. for enwiki, for example, {{auto-stub}} goes on automobile stubs, and they practically never put Category:Automobile stubs on the article without the template)? And 2) if so, then is there a consistent pattern to the stub names? (eg. on enwiki, ALL the template names end in "-stub"). --Interiot 21:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, they all use categories (they don't use different templates), and the categories all start with "Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo", is that right? --Interiot 21:57, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

The templates are all the same, as in {{esbozo de|geografía}} puts the stub in es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía and {{esbozo de|ciencias}} puts the stub in es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo ciencias. Now, things do get a bit complicated, because the general stub category uses a different template, {{esbozo}}. Also, some articles that are tough to categorize carry a double template that puts the stub in two categories, like this: {{esbozos|geografía|biografías}}. That would put the stub in both the es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía and es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo biografías categories. Make sense? --Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 02:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

And yes, all stubs directly use templates. --Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 02:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Right, I understand. Okay, I'll try to get this done in a day or two... I'll have to change the code slightly for this. --Interiot 02:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Remind me to never write a tool!

Good Grief, are you getting grief above!

• I left you a set of clarification notes in our thread above. Only 2 is 1 and 1 is 2 <G>, but that should be obvious too.
• I ran across an old problem today browsing the history (diff) looking at the vandalism and reverts in Richard Belzer. When I did a diff across the vandalism my IE6 browser suddenly clicked me back to my default (sign on) page.
• I had a similar (near identical) problem late last summer when first archiving my talk page. See: User talk:Fabartus/Scratchpad01. This latter (initial) problem also manifests in Firefox. (You have to enter edit mode, iirc, then preview it). Thus, the query is what can cause such squirrley browser behavior. I'd thought the wikimarkup language had some code construct causing the issue, and had just set it aside not knowing who to ask. I'd been playing with the page format, and especially the top boxed text when it occured.
• OK - checked tonights occurence two ways: 1) Firefox - it does NOT happen, all is well. 2) New (additional) IE6 Browser window. Given This URL it immediately kicks back to the home (my default) page, pausing just long enough to show the diff page. It also creates an audible 'tick' sound when it cycles back to the default page. That was also true in the prior problem and happened therein in Firefox as well.

Thanks, FrankB 08:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• • Now I need to report this page, IE6 again (I use both Firefox and IE6, but mainly edit in the latter.)
  • As soon as I edit it, it jumps FORWARD and for some reason loads my default page (just happens to be on wiki talk:1632 series, which I'm sure is irrelevant. Other pages were my default pages before, including the 'none' alternative.)
  • You got any ideas on this issue at all? Cache too 'old' (full)?, memory low?, too many pages open?

Thanks, FrankB 07:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

My edit count

Question: Is the time the server is updated to supposed to have all my edits accounted for?

The link that shows the replication lag time says its updated to 2006/04/18 15:37:26 (at the time of me writing this). Now, my edit counter on your tool shows I have 18982 edits (at the time I wrote this). By 2006/4/18, I had way more than 18982 edits. I had over 20,000 edits. Do you know why the counter is not counting almost 1,000 of my edits? Moe ε 23:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks like you hit 19000 somewhere on April 16th. Kay, I'll look into this. --Interiot 00:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit count for Thai (th_wiki)

Hello Interiot. I read that you say about some Wikipedia including th_wiki, ja_wiki, ko_wiki which are in the different servers, so the tool doesn't apply for those Wikipedia. I'm wondering if it's possible for me to use XML dump file on my own server or somehow. Do you have any recommendation how I can do this? Right now Thai Wikipedia dump file is just about 7 Mb.

Thank you, --Manop - TH 03:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the best bet now is to ask DaBpunkt to use his new replication tool to start replicating the asian cluster.... at that point, the asian clusters would be able to use any of the growing variety of tools available. (directly to your question though... no, I haven't yet processed an XML dump on my own, I'm not familiar with those details) --Interiot 03:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I will check that out. --Manop - TH 16:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Bug in your tool

Your tool listed this dif [13] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=prev&diff=48654931&title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrator_intervention_against_vandalism as mine on the WP:AIV board, yet the dif links to to a diff that isn't mine on a completely different page. JoshuaZ 03:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

How did you generate the link? What tool did you use? Did you have a URL? What actions did you use to get there? --Interiot 03:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I used your standard tool (accessed from Interiot's tool, clicked on my Wikipedia edits, clicked on my edits to WP:AIV and then happened to click on one of the edits which gave that dif). I just did that again and got the same thing. JoshuaZ 03:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

It also appears that when I do the same thing but go to the list of image difs all the listed contributions (4 of them) are not mine. JoshuaZ 13:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Same deal here. My edit count shows me as editing two images, which I've never touched ? The strange thing is, the edit summaries are mine, but I've not edited those images. [14] Sandy 20:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

See the red box at the top or bottom of this talk page. --Interiot 20:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to have caused you extra work, as I kept reading the box at the top of the page, and not seeing this issue addressed. Maybe if you put the red box at the top of the page, overly-literal dummies like me would see it and get it the first time :-)) Now I see that I was reading the orange-ish pinkish box at the top of the page. Sorry again to cause you extra work. PS, I'm on IE6, and there is no box at the bottom of the page. Sandy 01:15, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit counter privacy policy

At the start of the page, it says that users can e-mail you to opt out of the daily/weekly graphs. In the "disclaimer" section, it says the requests to remove information will be ignored. These appear to contradict each other. Brian Jason Drake 04:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

*grin* Notes of contradiction will be ignored! Anyway, thanks for noting it, I removed the "will be ignored" language, since I'm too nice for that anyway. --Interiot 04:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Wrong toolserver diffs

Hi. I was perusing FloNight's contributions for her RfA and came across this oddity. In her [tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/contribution_tree?namespace=3&user=FloNight&dbname=enwiki_p User Talk contrib tree], there are three contributions to User_talk:JzG. However, the diffs don't belong to that page. They are [15] [16] [17]. As a result, the contrib links from the toolserver took me to completely different articles. —Whouk (talk) 10:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

So you're the third person to mention some weirdness. Looking into this one further, some of the data in the toolserver database doesn't seem to match what I'm seeing on en.wikipedia.org (erm... maybe the replication tool isn't working correctly, or the database schema has changed, or...?). I sent some details to the toolserver mailing list, I'll try to follow up with the toolsever admins later. --Interiot 15:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. —Whouk (talk) 15:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Yup, definitely looks like a bug of some sort. Hopefully DaBpunkt can take a look at it soon, and hopefully this explains the behavior Moe Epsilon is seeing too (both behaviors are related to the revision table). --Interiot 18:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

At the risk of sounding like I have a case of editcountitis, will this bug alter the totals in way? JoshuaZ 21:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, totals, namespaces, lots of things seem to be screwed up. Even worse is the fact that there's real work to be done with the toolserver, and it appears we can't rely on any data from April 12th on. --Interiot 13:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

May I suggest you disable the tool or put a prominent note about data after the 12th so people don't rely on it until it is fixed? JoshuaZ 13:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I noted it in bold in the red box. Also, DaBpunkt believes a fix is now implemented, for all data that's now being replicated (eg. from 2006/04/20 19:00 on), is most likely to be correct. We need some time to verify it's actually correct though. --Interiot 15:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Autoblocks

Hi Interiot. I have recently been trying to check for Autoblocks resulting from blocks that I have applied, so that I can look for collateral damage. The IP block list doesn't make this easy because the search only seems to work on the name of the blocked user rather than the blocking admin. The other alternatively is to increase the number of results to be returned by manually changing the URL, and then performing a manual search in the browser. I find the page very slow when I do this and I am not sure if there is a limit on the number of results - I think there is a limit of 5000 results for user contributions.

I have raised the question of alternatives elsewhere, but nobody has had any suggestions. Do you think this would be possible via a script? Cheers TigerShark 19:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I... don't know if autoblock data is available on the toolserver. Do you have a URL of an example of when autoblocking occured, for me to hunt around more? (sorry, I haven't worked with blocking much as an admin yet) --Interiot 19:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I second that, this would be a very useful tool, if it can be implemented. Prodego ^talk 21:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I am currently using this page to watch for the autoblocks. The autoblocks are the ones with the format: "[ADMIN] blocked #000000....(Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by [VANDAL])". There can be more than one autoblock per vandal, because several people might be trying to connect on the IP that is getting autoblocked (in fact these are the cases that we'd be looking for to spot collateral damage). I think that you won't be able to get access to the underlying IP address as that is kept secure (so that even editor's with CheckUser can only compare two users but not see their underlying IPs). However a report that showed all of the autoblocks for a given admin and grouped by the vandal - would be ideal. Let me know if I can get you anymore info on this. Cheers TigerShark 23:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

WHat about PGK's tool, mentioned right below? --Interiot 23:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry! Completely missed that! Yes that looks very good - will save me having to mess around with brower searches :) Thanks very much. Cheers TigerShark 23:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, you're the last guy who suggested the whatlinkshere script, right? Well, apparently PGK wrote this one already too. So, see PGK if you need enhancements on the script or whatnot. --Interiot 22:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Created articles

Can you run a "created articles" report on my username? Thanks ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 03:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm happy to. It should show up here in ~10 minutes. --Interiot 04:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Ignore the stuff after the April 12, I guess.  :( There are some database bugs to be worked out... --Interiot 04:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Jossi has a talent for creating a great deal of user talkpages. Interiot, I'd like to make the same request, if that's possible, and inquire what my current updated edit count is at the current time frame. -Zero^Talk 15:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Happy to, it should be here in a couple minutes. --Interiot 16:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

• Lovely. Looks as if I'm on fire. -Zero^Talk 16:09, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Could I plz have one too? Icelandic Hurricane #12 22:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing, should be here in a few minutes. --Interiot 22:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! Icelandic Hurricane #12 21:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Question concerning Editcount

What does "MW" mean ? Its part of gray-colored edits, displayed on the editcount page. -- Amtiss, SNAFU ? 09:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC) PS: Maybe "Talk" could be added in the legend (color yellow I think).

It's the mediawiki namespace. Talk pages go with whatever space the non-talk part goes with (main talk goes with main, category talk goes with category), except for user talk, just because people who edit their home page incessantly are different from people who post {{test2}} to other people's talk pages incessantly. --Interiot 13:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Then there might be an error with the talk-page statistics. Since your editcounter doesn't update its data for enWP, the statistics show 5 edits for my account in april 06 [18]. 3 are user talk, 1 in main and 1 is Yellow (Img,Cat,Template). If you look in my Contributions you'll see that there are 5 edits before 17th of april. These are 3 user talk (correct), 1 main (correct) and 1 main-talk (that's the error). -- Amtiss, SNAFU ? 15:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Per the red box, data after apr 12 should not be trusted. --Interiot 15:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Problem with page on Proposed Deletion: current nominations

Page Proposed Deletion: current nominations shows Austral-Asian Christian Church as "nominated" (should be "proposed") since 04/27 04:39. This appears to be in error. The artical was prodded at 11:53, April 11, 2006 (UTC), de-prodded at 09:27, April 14, 2006 (UTC), after which it survived an AfD listing. The article in question does not show up on page Category:Proposed deletion as of 27 April 2006. --Lambiam^Talk 10:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit count and fr: namespace 102

Hello Interiot,

I want informe you about the creation of two namespaces (namespace 102 "Project" and namespace 103 "Talk Project") on French-speaking Wikipedia wich are not recognized by the editcount, see my contributions for example. Excuse me for my english :) Wart Dark 16:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Aha, I knew I should expire my namespace cache. Anyway, that specific one is fixed now. --17:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ! Wart Dark 19:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit counter problems

I think there is something going wrong. I have edits being attributed to me but they are by other editors. From the contribution tree [19], I noticed I am being credited for 12 edits [20] to Talk:Tsoureki (which is an article I have never edited). Clicking any of the diff links brings up edits done by other people - e.g. the first diff link (143 am on 2006/04/20) is to this edit [21] by User:Judgesurreal777. Another diff link (the last one) [22] is for an edit made by User:Choalbaton. Please find below the contribution tree that is causing me concern. Am I going mad? :P

(context) (diff) 2006/04/20 01:43:01 m Talk:Tsoureki (/* Sources and figures */ minor spelling)

(context) (diff) 2006/04/20 01:42:00 Talk:Tsoureki (/* Sources and figures */ image explanation)

(context) (diff) 2006/04/20 00:31:00 Talk:Tsoureki (Sources and figures)

(context) (diff) 2006/04/18 22:58:52 Talk:Tsoureki (/* Stop constantly reverting */ explained free for use images)

(context) (diff) 2006/04/18 22:31:00 Talk:Tsoureki (/* Stop constantly reverting */ add new messages to bottom)

(context) (diff) 2006/04/18 22:28:56 Talk:Tsoureki (/* Stop constantly reverting */ love to add but can't find decent images yet)

(context) (diff) 2006/04/18 22:13:18 m Talk:Tsoureki (/* Stop constantly reverting */ sp. mistake)

(context) (diff) 2006/04/18 22:12:46 Talk:Tsoureki (/* Stop constantly reverting */ copied from my talkpage)

(context) (diff) 2006/04/17 23:44:12 Talk:Tsoureki (Stop constantly reverting)

(context) (diff) 2006/04/17 22:56:43 Talk:Tsoureki (find an actual source please)

(context) (diff) 2006/04/17 21:19:49 Talk:Tsoureki (where is the source?)

(context) (diff) 2006/04/17 21:08:45 Talk:Tsoureki (Karachi)

Green Giant 02:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

No, the database is corrupt after April 12, as the links on the bottom of the page say. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Doh, I didn't notice that note below. It could have been ten feet high with neon flashing lights and I would have walked by without noticing. :) Green Giant 02:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course, since your're the Green Giant, ten feet high is still pretty small.... Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.... -- MarcoTolo 19:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

can't see myself

Hi, I am user infoCan on wikitr. I tried using your tool to see my record there but somehow I cannot be found with http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=infoCan&dbname=trwiki_p. The result is "This user does not seem to have any edits, or they don't exist". Might this be a problem related to lower-case i beıng capitalized as İ in Turkish? --InfoCan 04:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Does this work? You should be able to paste that character (İ) into the textbox for your name (or type it in or however you do it). --Interiot 07:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

listing of created articles?

Hi - One of the more or less frequently asked questions at WP:HD (and other similar pages) is "can I get a list of pages I've started?" (see current example at Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance)#Created Pages). The general answer is no. Might there be a reasonable way to do this with a tool? -- Rick Block (talk) 15:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Please ask them to post a quick request on my talk page, I can create them manually [23]. Unfortunately, they can take up to 10 or 15 minutes to create, so unfortunately I can't make it extremely easy for users to run very often. --Interiot 15:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I was going to ask, but since it seems to be trouble I won't bother. ~Linuxerist E/L/T 16:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

No no, it's not trouble at all, it's like 15 seconds of work for me, but it can't be something that other people can run, because it could be used maliciously to slow down the toolserver. Yours should show up here within 15 minutes. --Interiot 16:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, well thanks, I was about to do this on my own! ~Linuxerist E/L/T 17:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, numbers 4-7 on that page I did not create. Any idea why they are on their? ~Linuxerist E/L/T 02:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Per the red box, toolserver data from Apr 12 and later is corrupt. Ignore any such data. --Interiot 13:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

enwiki replag

According to the daily replag graph, the enwiki replag was extremely small from 14:00 - 16:00 today. Do you know the cause of this sudden decrease and if it can soon become permanent? I know that the corrupt data still has to be fixed, but getting the replag to normal is still half the battle. --M@thwiz2020 19:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Comparing just en to just de (for better resolution), at the same time en's replag dropped, de's replag soared. Strange, isn't it? --M@thwiz2020 19:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The toolserver went a little schitzo this morning. For a brief period, it said I had a total of 9 (nine) edits on enwiki, rather than 6000+. I don't quite understand what happened, but I heard that it was extremely surpising, and it's not understood why it happened, but hopefully it doesn't happen again. No, it wasn't something beneficial, and won't be permanent (at least, not until more work is done to get replication working better). --Interiot 02:11, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

How do you do it?

How did you edit so many disambiguation pages so quickly? J. Finkelstein 01:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Formatting disambigs to comply with WP:MOSDAB is a pain in the butt, isn't it? I used gvim (which makes it easier to repeat things) and regular expressions (to quickly hilight the pipes and periods), which made it a little faster, but it'd be nice if there was a way to automate it more. Unfortunately, I think a decent portion of the work is rewriting sentences a bit to fit the pattern, which isn't so easy to automate. --Interiot 02:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I know User:Glores has some regexes he uses for MOSDAB conformity. If you contact him, he might give them to you. --M@thwiz2020 21:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Article creation

Is there a tool that lets you check what articles an editor has created? Thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 01:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Ooops... I read the comment above. Could you please run a report on my created articles (in the article namespace only, please)? Many thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 01:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

It should be here in a few minutes. --Interiot 02:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

You are a star. Thank you. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Nothing there... :( ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Articles Created

I was told on my talk page you can run a query to get me a list of all articles I've created. If you could do that for me, I'd much appreciate it! Computerjoe's talk 20:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing. It should show up here in... maybe 30 minutes (the toolserver is running pretty slowly for some reason). --Interiot 20:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

TY. Computerjoe's talk 06:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Counting in last month

It is May 3 already, and my edits are still being counted in April. At least they are on the page from my userbox about spending too much time on WP. Bubba73 (talk), 04:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC) ⇓V read the red box ⇓V

Tree

Does a Contribution Tree in wikipedia/wikimedia actually work? Look at this: [24] This is the link that i got off up the "popups" program i loaded.

This says that i've listed only 174 edits... But thats not even my complaint yet. Click on "categories", where it says "5". It says that i've made 5 contributions to a Korean Baseball Category? Which I haven't, but don't take my word for it. Click the link to it off the page and look at its history there. No slasher600. So what am I to do? Is this releasing faulty information? Slasher600 22:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC) ⇓V read the red box ⇓V

If the date of the edits is after April 12, the database for the English Wikipedia is corrupt. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 22:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Potato Head?

Well, that's the funniest thing I've seen in a while, and it gave me a good laugh. Thanks for making my day a bit lighter. :) Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 00:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S: <blink> dies with IE...

Oh, frump me, does MSIE do anything right? --Interiot 00:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Get a better browser, hosers!

Not really. Also, the big red tag is stuck in a div somewhere up above when viewed in IE. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 00:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, a red box is supposed to be at top, for all browsers. When I view the page with MSIE, the first render, it doesn't draw the bottom box. After I resize the window, it then draws. *shrug* I don't know. The devs need to enable <tfoot>. --Interiot 00:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

<blink> sucks and is awful :/ Please remove it, it serves no other purpose than being annoying. /Grillo 20:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Remove it from where? The top-right of this page, or from the edit counter? Blink may be necessary, as users tend to ignore things and then show up on my talk page complaining in droves. NullC's prefered solution was to simply shut his tools down when data becomes too laggy or corrupt, I think <blink> is marginally less annoying than that. --Interiot 20:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

As said before, it doesn't work in IE, still most users use IE, and they are probably the ones who will ignore the message anyway... Make it bold, colour it (of course not <font>...), or highlight it in any other way, and more people will probably see it. Blink tags are extremely annoying, no matter where they are used. /Grillo 21:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

<blink> should be working for MSIE users now in the edit counter. --Interiot 21:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

<blink> doesn't work in Safari, including with style="text-decoration: blink". æle ✆ 2006-05-04t22:56z

As a user-togglable feature, or it's simply not supported? text-decoration:blink is part of the CSS1 spec, first released in 1996... --Interiot 23:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Not sure about Safari, but MSIE will probably never implement it, as it was first released by Netscape and is still seen as part of what helped IE's competition become so popular. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 06:05, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I count on MSIE always being a thorn in my side anyway. And there's the blink { behavior:url(http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/blink.htc );} hack I put in the counter that works for MSIE. A random question though: does anybody know a way to test pages on Safari if I'm sans-Mac? --Interiot 06:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

As in "just not supported". Probably for the best anyway, as the only legitimate uses are for stuff like this. :P æle ✆ 2006-05-07t19:05z

FWIW, the red div now appears in the appropriate place, with MSIE 7.0 beta. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 23:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

*shiver*  <tfoot> is still a less hacky way to do it, even if everybody did the right thing and switched over to Firefox. --Interiot 23:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Avian flu

So many people complained that X was not at avian flu when X was at an article linked by avian flu where it could be discussed in the proper context that I innovated and created a box that said the obvious. I'll send further complainers to you and you can explain why avian flu does not contain every possible piece of data they ae looking for. WAS 4.250 01:00, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The problem is not with the editors, it is with the news media that reports on "avian flu" as if "avian flu" were "Asian lineage HPAI A(H5N1)" which we cover in our H5N1 article. But "avian flu" is also used to mean the species H5N1 is a member of and we have an article for that under its genus Influenzavirus A because the genus only has one species in it, called "Influenza A virus". And it gets more complicated from there. WAS 4.250 12:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

From what I can remember of the media coverage in Western Australia it was clearly indicated as referring to the H5N1 strain. Brian Jason Drake 03:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not really remotely knowledgable about the topic, I just thought the purple box was probably out of place. Anyway, I have nothing to do with the article, if you want to discuss it, please do so at User talk:WAS 4.250 or Talk:Avian flu. --Interiot 03:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Created articles report

Can I have a created articles report generated? Thanks! æle ✆ 2006-05-04t22:54z

Sure thing. It should show up here in 1-30 minutes. I've forced it to truncate entries after April 12 now, so those won't show up (but it also shouldn't show errant data). --Interiot 23:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Heh, I almost forgot I requested this. :) Thank you! æle ✆ 2006-05-07t19:11z

Could I have one too, please? BTW, thanks for the work you put in to this kind of thing JQ 03:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem at all. The script was developed a while ago, now it's almost no work for me. Somebody just has to broker access so it's not overused. Anyway, your list is here now. --Interiot 05:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! JQ 08:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Your backup tool

It appears that it doesn't count the Portal namespace as a real namespace, though MediaWiki currently does. —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 03:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a temporary/backup tool, and it's not a completely trivial change. Mathwiz2020? :) --Interiot 03:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Who edits the Portal namespace anyway? ;) —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 00:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, nobody. --Interiot 00:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Deleted viewer

Hey Interiot, a while back we had a discussion here and you rigged up a deleted edit viewer; if you don't mind, I'd like to get a copy of the code to be able to run an installation of it in my toolserver account. Could you point me in the right direction? Essjay (Talk • Connect) 10:29, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Redlegs

Thanks for that. I was trying to figure out how to make a dab page out of that collection of trivia I culled from redlegs - never got the chance to sit down with it and figure it out. Guettarda 01:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Lcarsdata/monobook.js

Hi, sorry to bother you but I know you are good with scripts so thought you could help. I am using Mozilla Firefox 1.5.0.1 adn have just put a load of new scripts into my monobook but non of them work at all, I have tried bypassing my cache and have purged Wikipedia's cache but it still doesn't work. I did it on Thursday night at about 19:00 UTC so I have waited a while which has been long enough for every other time. If you need to give me the changes just put it in my sandbox. Thanks in advance Lcarsdata ^{Talk | @ | Contribs} 13:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

If you know a small amount of javascript, you can hit Tools > Javascript Console, hit clear, reload any wikipedia page, and look at what errors you see being generated. You shouldn't have to wait any time for them to work (just do the purge thing). I don't do a lot of user script work at the moment though, so I may not be the best person to ask (though my first guess, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User scripts, seems to be a bit dead). --Interiot 17:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Can You do what I'd like?

I stole this snippet from Template:MBTA, and am trying to morph it so it will allow section '0' editing on my talk and user pages. (Do I get consistancy points?)

<div style="float:right;margin-left:5px;"><small class="editlink noprint plainlinksneverexpand">[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:w/index.php?title=User:Fabartus/talkheader&action=edit&section=0}} edit ]</small></div>

I can the get technique to edit the whole page. But when I change (several trials later) like this shows
I get this unwanted unhappiness.

1. Is there perhaps another template similar to template:url (since: template:localurl and template:SERVER aren't 'REAL' beyond my twisted imaginings and first interpretation!)— and this, User:Fabartus/talkheader&action=edit&section=0, sure won't work —that can properly format the '...wikipedia.org/w/index.php...' guts I would infer are needed. (Seems stupid to be creating a template when I don't know my way around the template space at all, nor the underlying theory. A starting point on studying-up would be appreciated!)
2. Alternatively, is their a way to use the local server with a full url like:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Fabartus/talkheader&action=edit&section=0
   or some such wikified form like: [[User:Fabartus/talkheader%26action%3Dedit%26section%3D0]]

Help!, for your 'convience'; the sandbox is: User:Fabartus/talkheader

Thanks! FrankB 19:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Firefox vs IE6 text-searching

As a noted critic of IE6, I was wondering whether you can suggest how to get Firefox to 'CTRL-F' search into Wiki's edit window for typo's and other text strings one wants to find in a morass of text in long pages or sections. Big need! Thanks-2, FrankB 19:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there's a plugin here. Having firefox open an external editor may be a more comprehensive solution though. --Interiot 20:06, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

MSIE-7 News

OK- I'll look into that.

• You should see Browsers display problem, CAVEATs and Disclaimer to see if you know of 'this MSIE-7 issue' with respect to 'wikipedia editing needs'. It's starting to come out on the newer computers that don't have big software bundles. (i.e. semi-custom builds by computer guru's servicing small businesses, but other sources won't be far behind; my son downloaded the other reloading his computer yesterday, and independently had the same problem.)
• If you know of any fix to line up the two boxes below that one, I'd like to know the trick. They're side by side on IE6. I'd done the original trials on Firefox (about the time I asked the questions above) but it really whacked out on IE6 when displayed. Life would have been so much better if the Feds had had the balls to break up Microsoft over that lawsuit!
• Maybe you should steal my warning box and post one saying 'If you're using and MSIE browser', this is the wrong page! <G>

Best regards, FrankB 18:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Toolserver-Projects

Hi Interiot! Thanks a lot for [25]! Can you please change the syntax of meta:Toolserver/TStoc to use templates so we can merge it with meta:Toolserver/Projects? -- Nichtich 23:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't... really think it's possible to merge them. One is in wikitext, and is more or less free-form, and any meta-data is written in a human-understandable format. The other is a custom configuration format, and includes extra metadata in mostly a machine-readable format. Maybe if somebody figured out how to merge YAML with wikitext, that might give the two pages a chance of merging, but it still might a big stretch to merge the pages, since the extra metadata would often be simply clutter to human readers. It would also be fairly limiting to my script (for instance, I plan to expand it at some point to have a shorter description, and a longer description, and display the longer description in a mouseover popup... do human readers really want to view two different descriptions?) --Interiot 23:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I suppose extra metadata could be put in YAML inside <!-- wikitext comments -->. Still, it would take a bit of work to change the syntax to be more pleasant to wikitext and humans, and I don't see there being a huge benefit to it. --Interiot 23:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Pin / dab pages

Thanks for coming after me and actually cleaning up per MoS:DAB, I had yet to bother reading that page and was just going on what I had seen around elsewhere (probably would have been a good idea to read it in the first place :). I just took a better stab at cleaning up ER and was wondering if you had a second to take a look and let me know if I did a little better this time. I like the MoS recommendations a lot - the ER page in particular looked really bad to me, but I didn't know what to do to make it look 'right' before. Thanks! —Jnk^[talk] 01:04, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Bug in the contribution tree/browser

Hi, When I use the tool to look at my own contributions, I'm getting nonsense in the contributions tree. There are edits to projects and images that I had nothing to do with (and are signed by other people!) So the contributions browser (and the edit count, for that matter) is crediting me with other people's work. - Richardcavell 01:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC) ⇓V read the red box ⇓V

Common era

I am aware of the guideline given at WP:MOS regarding the use of AD/CE. This doesn't change the fact that "CE" is defined exactly as is "AD"—"an epoch based on the birth of Jesus Christ". Since CE was created after AD, it is a euphemism for the AD system, not an alternative system. On articles referring to the actual Gregorian/Julian calendar epochs, the "AD" terms should be maintained. — CRAZY`(IN)`SANE 05:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Hiya...

Hi, I've been on a Wikibreak for a while & have now returned. I made some edits over the past few days since returning, but noticed your tool was not adding anymore statistics to my edits, such as percentage bars & number of edit counters etc. Do you know why this is & is it fixable? Thanks... Spawn Man 23:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back. ⇓V read the red box ⇓V --Interiot 00:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

JSYK, It hasn't been fixed. I know you're not a miracle worker, but an explaination would be nice. I'll give you my thingy thins thing site of yours, & click on the "move" blue bit at the bottom of my edit counter. It says I've only moved 8 articles, but if you click on "move" it'll clearly show you I've done 9. Please help as my edits are based on my averages etc... Spawn Man 08:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

See the top of the talk page for the details, it's just that people don't tend to read lengthy details, let alone big red boxes. DaBpunkt is working on fixing it, last I heard. See #wikimedia-toolserver for the latest updates. --Interiot 10:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Problemo half solved. I checked the edit counter to see if problem had been fixed. It has, but it only shows the edits I've made from tonight. So technically, I've missed out on about 40 or so edits which I did on the previous days prior to this. Will I ever get my lost edits back? Will Sandy fall in love with Mick for a second time? Will Poncho ever eat his hotdog? Find out next time you answer my question..... Thanks :)... Spawn Man 08:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

It's probably just coincidence. AFAIK, it's still not working. This is a quick little test I wrote to confirm whether DaB had been able to fix it yet, and things still don't look good. Until it's working, some of the edits counted towards you are going to be more or less random. Also, I like hotdogs, and falling in love a second time, but mostly just hotdogs. --Interiot 16:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Articles Created List?

I saw you were doing this for a few users above. Would it be a problem to create a list of articles I've created, too? (Even if it truncates the ones after April 11th, I could go thru the last month's worth myself).--Firsfron 06:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S. What you really need is a talk page that says "I have already read the notice above that says the replicator isn't working, and CatScan and other tools aren't working properly," with then an "I agree" link to a talk sub-page, and an "I disagree" link that leads to a giant blinking neon notice. ;)--Firsfron 06:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Aww, you don't like the Mr. Potato Head? Anyway, your list of pages is here. --Interiot 08:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I like the Mr. Potato Head, actually. As for the list: Danke! :)--Firsfron 13:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

O! Is that what mr. patato head was?! I wondered why you put it there.... Spawn Man 09:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Page name search

Hello, I tried this tool for the Dutch Wikipedia (nlwiki_p). However it only returns a list of English articles. JePe 12:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Aha, it was a silly bug. Should be fixed now. --Interiot 12:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit counter Edits by time of day

Ive been using your new edit counter for a few weeks now, and I think its excellent!. However, Ive just noticed what appears to be one little error on the 'Time of day' graph. On the ordinate axis it has the units as edits per 10 minutes. Now I know Im fast- but not that fast!! 8-) Should it not be edits per hour as in the other graph? --Light current 17:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

"Per hour" and "per minute" don't mean the rate at which an editor edits... it means the total number of edits that are found in that bucket... eg. for the 12:00am-12:10am bucket, that's the total number of edits made during that time, at any point in history. So if you have four years of edits, that's 1461 day's worth of edits, per timeslot.

So... does that mean this is a feature request, that I divide the number by 1461 to give an average edit rate, rather than just a sum? (though, either way, the shape of the graph wouldn't change... but the scale would stay semi-stable over years, if that matters) --Interiot 17:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

THanks for explaining that 8-). Yes, I think the dividing by the number of days an editor has been registered would give an interesting overall 'average' rate of editing. Or should it be a rolling average over a few months? Anyway if you have time, Id be interested in maybe some user adjustable data requests (if possible!)--Light current 18:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to get to it soon, though I'm going to be really busy for the next 3.5 months (if you can believe that). As for rolling averages, that may not be easy/fast to do with the database (though I might be able to do something like ignore all data more than 1 year old, for the purposes of the graph). For even more complex analysis, it's probably better to go with one of the external counters, since the toolserver is limited by what I can get the database to do quickly (I'd love to show minor/nonminor edits, with and without edit summaries, but I haven't figured out a way to get the database to tell me that within a maximum time of like 1 or 2 minutes without a really severe (annoying) amount of caching). --Interiot 18:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, rolling averages for upto the past 12 months would be definitely more than adequate I feel! After all, editors can easily work out their all time averages! 8-)--Light current 18:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I guess that is a rolling average. Whichever, I guess I was thinking of a weighted average, which might be hard to do with the database (since everybody knows we should apply the mexican hat to edit counts). --Interiot 18:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Well weighted averages are getting even more statistical, but if you have enough time, it again would be nice! 8-)--Light current 19:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, really, if you want to do comlicated analysis, it's best to get one of the external counters to be able to dump the data in .CSV, and load the data up in Excel, and then you can analyze the data to your heart's content. --Interiot 19:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Well I dont really, I just thought it would be nice to have a rolling average figure displayed 8-|--Light current 19:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

editcount for Thai works now

Hello, just drop you a line that your editcount now works with Thai WP and probably other WP in Asian server. :) --Manop - TH 21:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Better RFC auto-links

Hello Interiot, we worked together on clarifying Epoch (reference date) in the past, and today I need help from an admin, so your name came to my mind... There is a suggestion on MediaWiki talk:Rfcurl#Better URL to auto-link RFCs to their lightly HTMLized versions at the IETF, instead of the current pure text versions. That would seriously help editors of RFC-related articles, and help point Wikipedia readers to current versions of outdated documents. For example, RFC 822 is so well-known that few people realize it was superseded by RFC 2822 already 5 years ago, and implementing things along RFC 2822 is actually simpler than trying to match RFC 822 special cases for obsolete systems. In addition, as Omniplex wrote, the IETF webmaster approves of this move [26]. Are you willing to let me change this protected page, or change it yourself? -- JFG 00:03, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

MOSDAB and surnames

I actually disagree with quite a number of aspects of the MoS on disambiguation, when it comes to surnames. I started a discussion thread on this on the wiki-en list quite recently. Since the MOSDAB represents itself only as set of guidelines (see the end of the page), and I am essentially spending all my WP time on trying to extend the surname coverage (which I reckon is a major step in cleaning up the biographies), I'd appreciate it if you didn't just make changes. The mailing list discussion suggested there might well be the need to have a WikiProject on surnames, considering the scale of the problem; or a separate manual page (probably both). Introducing the indefinite articles is no great help to navigation, in my view. So, please can be discuss this. Charles Matthews 16:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

MOSDAB

D'oh! Sorry about that. The user is actually User:Gflores - I accidentally left out the "f". Happy editing, and thanks again for your great edit-counting tool! --M@thwiz2020 17:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Contribution tree bug

Hi, I noticed a bug in Contribution tree. It lists some contributions to an article I hadn't heard of (I think I'd remember "Undercover slut") and the details then point to different articles. [27] --John Quiggin ⇓V read the red box ⇓V

Thanks. I should work out how all these things work, I suppose JQ 22:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

My edit count

Hello, I just wanted to report an error in your edit count. When I checked it, it listed all my edit counts on my user page as an edit on a complety different page. Can you help me? Thetruthbelow^(talk) 04:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC) ⇓V read the red box ⇓V

Flcelloguy's CSV

Well, at this point we can implement a CSV file (or a tab-separated file instead) fairly quickly, so I was wondering if you were interested in having a separate tool that can read an uploaded file, process it and produce pretty graphs, etc., and then nuke the file from your space to avoid it cluttering Zedler. What do you think? Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 07:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I... don't think it would be useful to involve the toolserver once a user has gone to the trouble of setting up the java stuff.... on the other hand, I think the standalone Excel stuff may well be very useful, just because the analysis is kind of endless, and it's a bit easier for random people to add new features to it. --Interiot 11:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Editcounter

Can your Javascript edit counter count Portal namespaces?—G.He 22:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Presumedly yes, because I've seen "Portal" on there. Brian Jason Drake 01:15, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't working before, but I've just fixed this. --Interiot 16:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Toolserver corruption

As we well know, the database is corrupt for enwiki, but exactly which tables are corrupt? I cannot find information about the ones that are still usable for queries on enwiki, if the lag can be tolerated. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not tables, it's fields. All ID's are corrupt. eg. page_id, user_id, rev_id, etc. The page_id in one table doesn't match up to the page_id in a different table, and they don't match what's on wikipedia either. It's suspected it has something to do with the autoincrement stuff... eg. on Wikipedia, the values are set automatically... but somehow when they get duplicated over to the toolserver, they get re-set automatically. --Interiot 02:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

So pretty much all of the tables are unusable, then. However, for queries that just need a true/false result, and are not truly dependent on the ID (e.g. checking whether a user exists in the database), the toolserver might work just fine? Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I haven't really explored what's usable and what's not, I was sort of hoping it'd be working sooner rather than later. But yeah, some of the data should be semi-usable (eg. the revision table includes a link to user_id... but it also explicitely lists the user's text name too, so you don't have to depend on user ID). I don't know, maybe it's relatively straightforward, but I haven't really played with the database since it's been down. --Interiot 02:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Aye. I was just wondering whether a query in all projects checking whether "Titoxd" exists in the user table would be feasible, for SUL purposes. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Aha, interesting idea. Well, only enwiki (and the asian cluster) are corrupt, so it would be pretty useful actually. Hrm. Though I'm supposed to be busy with something else at the moment... (I need an SO who will hover over me and tell me what to do). --Interiot 02:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

How is this? It's a bit slow, but maybe it does what you're looking for? --Interiot 20:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

That's exactly what I needed. Thanks! Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 21:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Articles creates

Hi, i'm sysop on french wikipedia and i want to know if it's possible for you to create my articles created list. My user name is Leag. You can answer me here if you want. Thanks Leag 18:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem, it's here. (also cc'd to frwiki) --Interiot 20:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot :) Leag 20:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Null edits

Are they counted in the edit counter? Raichu 17:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

What's your definition for a null edit? --Interiot 18:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Smile :)

—G.He has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

—G.He 23:08, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit count

If I use the "Cologne" skin for Wikipedia with a blue bar across the top and all text, will I still be "opening monobook.js" as it says in instructions? User:Interiot/Tool2 -- Mac Davis] ⌇☢ ญƛ. 08:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

No, it'll be... something else... cologne.js maybe? I'm not too familiar with user scripts... --Interiot 09:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Images in Edit Count Tool

Hi Interiot, I just noticed some images that are attributed to me here that I never uploaded or edited, for example, Image:Sebas83.jpg, Image:MoreThanConquerors.jpg, Image:Crazyjoegallo.jpg, Image:Equation 2 46.jpg, Image:Quran-small.jpg, Image:SharmanLA.jpg Image:Van2.jpg, Image:DSCN0732large.jpg, Image:Quarashi - Egg (Front)2.JPG, Image:18EU-stockmarket.jpg. Sorry if it turns out I'm reporting this in the wrong place. I don't know if it's a wider issue or just some blip with my account. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 23:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC) ⇓V read the red box ⇓V

Sorry! I thought the info in the red box was outdated as other things recently appeared to be fixed. Pay the above message no mind : ) --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 01:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I have a bit of an itchy trigger finger on the Mr. Potatohead. But isn't he cute? File:Crystal Clear app katuberling.png I haven't really kept up with the toolserver status, but I haven't heard any good news yet, and my test tool I wrote is still saying that the data isn't correct. You can probably find more accurate info from the guys on IRC. --Interiot 04:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I do think Mr. Potatohead is *very* cute, and it was a nice excuse to use him : ) --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 07:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Articles created

They send me here from the village pump. I lost track of all the (minor) articles (and especially which are redirects) I created, and you apparently can provide list of those. Would that be possible? Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 03:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

No problemo, the list should show up here in 5-30 minutes. --Interiot 04:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, however, I know for sure that I created a large number of additional articles and redirects and that this list is actually incomplete and missing articles and redirects such as Neophemini, Pezoporus, Pezoporini, Melopsittacini, Microglossinae and Nymphicinae just to name a few of the past days. Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 04:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, per Mr. Potatohead, the toolserver is corrupted for the last 1.5 months, so the report unfortunately doesn't include the corrupt data. Erm, I'm not sure what the easiest way to get a more recent report is. Probably bug DaBpunkt to get replication fixed. --Interiot 04:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, that explains. Well, take it easy, you have probably more urgent stuff to do.... :-) I just wait till the bug is done, and make a new request at that time. Or maybe I write something myself, should be not to difficult in JAVA. Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 04:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Stubsense for the french wiki ?

Hi, First of all, thanks a lot for your great tools! I've seen the informations you need to adapt Stubsense to the spanish wikipedia. Is it possible that you also do the job for the french wikipedia as well ? I precise that all french stubs are using templates as well of the form {{ébauche foobar}} which places the the article within the category [[fr:Catégorie:Wikipédia:ébauche foobar]]. You can find the list of all french stub templates at fr:Wikipédia:Catégories d'ébauches and the list of all french stub categories at fr:Catégorie:Catégorie d'ébauche. Some articles are using several stub templates at the same time. In that case they use either the template {{duo ébauche|ébauche foo|ébauche bar}} when there are 2 of them, or {{trio ébauche|ébauche foo1|ébauche foo2|ébauche foo3}} in the rare cases where there are 3 of them. Hope you will find these informations useful, wikily yours, LeYaYa 15:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I haven't finished the spanish one, I need a different query for that one. The french one should more or less be working now though... is it working as expected? (example) --Interiot 16:00, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry for the delay. IT works perfectly as far as I tried. Thanks a lot for your fast answer. Cheers, LeYaYa 08:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Just one remark. I've noticed that this search with Stubsense gives 194 results whereas the same one with CatScan gives 195. The intruder in CatScan is fr:Catégorie:Wikipédia:ébauche physicien. Do you confirm that the different results are caused by the fact that Stubsense ignores articles which don't contain the stub tag (as is the case for the category page) ? Thanks! LeYaYa 10:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit counter

Hi, I changed my username from Ramitmahajan to Lostintherush yesterday. When I check on the edit counter, my old username has 367 edits to it but the new one has zero. Dont the edit counts get updated to the new username? Lost 18:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

You started editing ONE DAY after the toolserver went down, lucky you. Regarding your question though, nope, the toolserver doesn't seem to know about you yet. Maybe it's because of enwiki replication lag (currently 3 days), maybe it'll stay that way forever because user_id's are fucked. Who knows! --Interiot 18:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

OOOOOOO! You swore!!! Where's the soap when you need it?? !!!Naughty boy intervention!!!!Naughty boy intervention!!!! ;). Spawn Man 05:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

*SIGH*

Still no sign of improvement internal-riot!! I'm saddened by your lack of ability to fix the problem... ;). Can you tell me when it will be fixed?? Thanks... Spawn Man 05:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

*sigh*? You don't want me to be surly like RobChurch, do you? Anyway, I've no idea. Bug DaBpunkt on IRC, he's the one who was trying to get it fixed. I'm actually going on a business trip for the next 3 months, and won't really be around much to get things going again. --Interiot 05:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Whatlinkshere

I find your whatlinkshere tool much better than the MediaWiki one, but it's a pity that it's not case-sensitive. Do you think fixing it for use on en.wiktionary (which is case-sensitive) would take a lot of work? Never mind if it would. Cheers. Vildricianus 19:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah... hah. That's a new wrinkle I should have thought of. Yes, it should be working now. Hopefully the code change doesn't introduce any new bugs... --Interiot 19:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thank you! Vildricianus 11:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

My brother was looking at my edit counts

My brother is a little dyslexic. He was looking at my edit counts and then he started reading outloud - to get an updated edit count go to Fellatio guy or Interior idiot's javascript. But then again, that's my brother – he's a little dyslexic. --Hokeman 04:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Nice. :) I'm used to having my name mangled (apparently I pronounce it differently than what 80% of people think it should be pronounced like). And, well, my name can't be mangled as badly as Flcelloguy's. --Interiot 04:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

"MUM" WP:MOSDAB-Order of entries

I think Mum - the English Language term should come at the top of the list - aren't most people going to be looking for that rather than an Islandic band. Any objections? Mnbf9rca 09:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Klown

Hi, I saw you fix up one of my disambiguation pages really well earlier. Do you mind having a go at Klown? I'm having a bit of trouble making it look tidy. - Richardcavell 05:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Magnificent. I knew you'd do it better than me. - Richardcavell 05:45, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, I'm just trying to follow the guidelines at WP:MOSDAB, though it's not always clear what to do sometimes (though the one-bluelink-per-line is more or less straightforward). I actually thought most people hated me for removing all their hard-found wikilinks (eg. just now, somebody started going through my list of articles created, and was blanking them one by one). --Interiot 05:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

oops

I didnt know that before, thanks for the reminder of my error. Whopper 17:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit counter

Why was your edit counter stopped from updating on the english wikipedia? Where can I get marvelous graphical representations now? If I use the Colongne Blue skin for Wikipedia should I still edit monobook.js like your instructions say to? — The Mac Davis] ⌇☢ ญƛ. 06:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about cologne... for that, ask around at Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts. For current, accurate counts of en.wikipedia.org edits, the only choice may be to pick an external counter from Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters (or bribe/cajole DaBpunkt or someone else on #wikimedia-toolserver into debugging the current replication bugs). --Interiot 06:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)