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Hi Jondel

Thank you for the reply on the administrator page regarding vandalism. If you are keeping an eye on the page I mentioned it should calm down now as it is past 2am in the UK However I imagine that the repeated vandalism will carry on tomorrow. The users carrying out the vandalism dont have talk pages just as I dont. Ah well ... cheers anyway. 02:39, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jondel:

You are the only hispanic here other than me I am on a mission to get the article on Paul Bouche undeleted. I will post here a copy of the revised article that was uploades this year (I kept a copy) non hispanics have no idea about who is notable or not for us. Please help in this campaign. By the way the links that they are looking for with proof of his emmy award etc are in the new article that was rammed of by Ducharris. Perhaps with your intercesion (being that you are hispanic and know about the show and host even thought you appear to be in Japan might get some sence into these people's minds.

All the best, Rene Lake.

Here is the article...

Paul Bouche is a Television Producer & Entertainer. Best known as the creator and host of the popular television show "A Oscuras Pero Encendidos".

Paul launched “A Oscuras Pero Encendidos” in 1995 as the first Late Night Show specifically designed for the US Hispanic Market. After starting as a local Miami production, in 1998 Galavision (Univision’s cable network) signed a distribution deal to carry the program via cable TV to national Hispanic audiences in the United States. Based on the results in Galavision in June 2000 the Telemundo Network decided to sign up the show for National open air TV broadcast in America and Puerto Rico. Lead by Paul “A Oscuras Pero Encendidos”, spent 6 years on the air and generated over 1100 hours of entertainment content for Hispanics in America.

Since 1988, Paul garnered experience in the United States working in different production capacities in companies like: NBC, ABC and MTV. He founded his production company Astracanada Productions in 1995. To date Paul has created, developed and produced more than 1.500 hours of television including programs in English and Spanish and for different channels in Latin America and the United States like Telemundo, Galavision, America TV, Family Channel, the USA Broadcasting, and “Casa Club TV”.

Due to his successes and contributions to the world of the Spanish language entertainment, the TV industry has recognized Paul, receiving an EMMY Award from the National Academy Of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS) for his outstanding television work in 1997.

Paul also has entertained national Hispanic Audiences through Radio Broadcasting. In 2000 he launched the popular program "Sobre Ruedas" for WQBA 1140AM, a Univision Radio station in the city of Miami. In September of 2001 Paul joined forces with Radio Unica Network to create, launch and host the national morning drive show "Arriba Con Paul". This 4-hour comedic morning show was broadcasted through a network of over 40 radio stations reaching 80% of the national Hispanic population. Since 1989 Paul has produced and hosted over 4,000 hours of entertainment talk radio.

Currently, Paul Bouche and Astracanada Productions are developing new TV & radio formats and working on their most ambitious television production yet “La Boca Loca de Paul” in association with Zeal Television in London England.

Hello there! Thought I'd answer your questions on your user page - thanks for the great welcome!

1) Proposal is okay with me. While working on the article, I realized that a straight translation isn't going to work anyway. The Japanese article is well-written, but there's a lot of things that need explanation for the average English reader. Let's merge first, and I'll try to gradually improve the article. I'll be looking for good references that will help me.

2) Yup - read your email. Actually, I have a few friends who used to study at Denpa - I think they're younger than you, so you probably won't know them. Natsukashii namae wo kikunotte iicchane!

3)This is a hard question, because I never really chose to become a translator - I was desperately looking for a job, and the in-house translation job I do now was the first one I managed to get (damn recession!). I think the standard course for an English-Japanese translator is to start working as an in-house translator for a company, or study at a translator/interpreter school (eg. Inter School). If you're really good or can translate rare languages (which is what I'm assuming), you might have better luck taking trials for various translation agencies.

At least in Sendai, the Inter Group is the largest translation agency. Other sources for work are immigration and the police, but in Sendai they often get their translators through various translation/interpretation agencies. A large bookstore should have some books or magazines from ALC ( which usually has lists of various agencies. Praying for good luck - honestly, it's sometimes really hard to find freelance work in Sendai, which is quite small compared to Tokyo!

4)Yoroshiku! Osewa ni narimasu! Atsi Otani 07:53, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Jondel/Archive1 ,[Languages]

Hi Jondel, you said hi to me, so I thought I'd return the favor

Maybe you could make an article about something of your interests

--Perfection 03:05, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

But I have! Lots of them, click on User contributions. I wrote Languages in the Philippines, Edgar Cacye on Karma, etc..Anyway, have fun!--Jondel 03:50, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

But those links don't lead to articles... --Perfection 04:05, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Oops :] ,sorry you're right , they should have been Languages of the Philippines and Edgar Cayce on Karma, also Henry the Black, Spanish in the Philippines, Chavacano language, contributions to Philippine English, Aswang, Michael Kearney, contributions to Child Prodigy, WiMax, Mental Calculation,How to learn a language and Original wikipedia etc..--Jondel 04:17, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Event Broker[edit]

Hello! I've been doing some research but I haven't found an exact word to translate 'event broker'. Actually, it is very possible that such word or phrase doesn't exist. I would describe it (in Spanish) as a 'canal de comunicación para eventos'. I'll keep searching though and I'll let you know as soon as I get new information. Good luck!

--Rmflorencia 23:58, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks anyway.--Jondel 10:37, 8 May 2005 (UTC)


Why are messages on vandalism of web pages directed against me for no apparent reason?

Dear 1)I'm sorry if I offended you. You have to a bit more specific. What page? Which vandalism?

2)Pls also understand that we can't distinguish vandals from users who choose anonymous ip addresses. You have to be one or the other. No in between. Other people, hackers and vandals could use the same address. As I see your other messages , other vandals have already abused your ip address.

We have to be vigilant with wikipedia pages since this is an open source encyclopedia which many user will rely on for info and vandals will abuse .

Couldn't you create a user account? Is it going to hurt?

Best regards,--Jondel 00:16, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Putting a link here[edit]

Putting this link here will undoubtably attract Slrubenstein and Sam Spade and company to the link destination. Nethertheless, would you like to comment?

Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress/CheeseDreams controversy#CheeseDreams

Too late for a comment? Never. Thanks for this link. It's helped me get a little closer to WIGO. Contact Xiong for expl. of WIGO

Where did CheeseDreams originate? I love them. Do they signify anti-Freud? Jeffrey Newman 00:20, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Article Licensing[edit]

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Could you take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/CheeseDreams You can comment on the talk page, or in "evidence" CheeseDreams 00:55, 11 December 2004

Edgar Cayce[edit]

I read your dicussion on the Edgar Cayce page. I just wanted to warn you to be careful about posting Cayce ideas on separate pages like Karma. You may be well aware of this, but cayce would often make slight changes to the ideas of things he gave names. for example, the traditional idea of karma would not apply to what cayce said. The main idea is there, but cayce would make "alterations".

Just be careful not to confuse the differences, you may end of misrepresenting an aspect of something if you are not careful. They can be very hard to spot!

As a Cayce fan, i also have to bee very careful.

peace be with you
Knightt 15:55, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Glad to meet another Cayce fan!!

The Edgar Cayce on Karma article originally was part of the Karma page but started to get longer and longer. For me the Karma needs to be seperate. It was part of the Karma page with a section on Cayce's interpretation of Karma. Actually a western interpretation of Karma. I felt that Cayce 's interpretation was more relevant since it included Christian views and context.

The Karma page at that time tended to be Hinduistic and academic.

Cayce 's explanation on reincarnation and karma were a revelation and had a very big impact on me(I am very Chrisitian -oriented). The Cayce interpretation is very relevant for non-Hindu people.

Please understand that I had to go through a lot of trouble to maintain the page from sceptics and many others who are simply tring to remove the page with out a valid reason . I don't want the sceptics to portray him as a fake nor cultists to portray a very unbalanced cultic view of Cayce.

Karma Jondel, I quoted the satguru for citation purposes. He didn't say anything new; that has been said for thousands of years. Ok Raj2004 13:11, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Cayce may make slight alterations but the concept of Karma and Reincarnaion is true (for me).

Peace be with you, my peace I give to you, a peace the world can not give. --J.C.

John--Jondel 08:57, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Brendan Replies:

Jesus, in The Essene Gospal of Peace Book One explained why his commandments were diffrent than that of Moses. In short, he said that Moses only gave the people what they might understand and that he gave them ideas that might make them feel good about themselves and thus hemp them progress. Dropping a huge bomb was not what he wanted to do, but rather help the people. Jesus also said that he was doing the same, and that he would only tell them what might help them.

I believe the past idea of karma is one that most of us have grown out of, and one that could be expanded on and explained in a more beneficial way. I think that Edgar Cayce explained it in a very good way! There is much indication that Cayce also used the same teaching method, but on a much more individual level. For example, i can remember once Cayce said that karma was something that had to be paid to one self, another time he said karma was something that had to be paid to ones god, and many other times, he said that karma was not paid, and the "mental filter" of ones self only had to be changed. I believe he is talking about the same thing each and every time. Different people, different needs.

I can only imagine how much the page was vandalized. I put the Edgar Cayce page on my watch list to make sure i catch when people vandalize it. I am not sure you know, but i just expand a number of sections on the Cayce page. I had to remove inappropriate remarks about cayce from a number of times. People just dont seem to understand that the page is about Cayce, not them, not me! The page is not a debate! It is about CAYCE! Ah well.

I just saw "The Innkeepers Story" a drama on the story of the birth of Christ as portrayed by Edgar Cayce. It was very good. Have you seen it?

Brendan peace be with you Knightt 14:51, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)


I just read the article on Karma. Very well done. The only thing i caught was the reference of cause and effect. Did cayce say they were the same thing? I was under the impression that cause and effect was... lets say.... hitting a board, and the other end flying up. This would be cause and effect but has nothing to do with karma. It may be different from what Cayce says as i cant remember if this was a cayce reference! Other than that, very nice peace of work.

You may want to take a look at the Edgar Cayce discussion board. I am having problems with inappropriate comments and have just opened it up for other peoples points of view.

What do you know about Quakers?

peace be with you Knightt 20:24, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. If he didn't say anything new , there is no need to mention him. It appears that you are 'advertising' him. You could however cite him at the External references. If no other complaints are made I will leave this matter alone. --Jondel 13:25, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Karma I quoted the satguru because I need a source for citation purposes. He didn't say anything new. Raj2004 13:20, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I am not advertising; I never heard of him until six months ago. That's my style of writing. I just feel it is a good way to attribute a source. I am not going to change my style of writing. If you want to instead write, cited from Dancing with Siva, by Satguru... in the external references, go ahead change it and leave the content as it is. that's fine.

Raj2004 20:16, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines[edit]

Hello, you might be interested in helping flesh-out the Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines page, so that we can centralize our efforts in improving Philippine-related articles. :) —seav 00:07, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Latin Union[edit]

Jondel, I took a look a the official website of the Latin Union and it says that the Philippines is an official member. If it says it is, then it is. However, the sight also says that Spanish is the official language. As of 1987, it wasn't. So perhaps the Philippines joined the Latin Union prior to 1987? --Chris 17:39, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Joined in 1954. Thanks for looking into it. I wrote and got a confirmation of membership. Pls see discussion. They need to correct their info about Spanish as an official lang.--Jondel 00:06, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Mi Ulimo Adios[edit]

Hi Jondel,

It's going to be moved to Wikisource, but it's not there at the moment. If you wish, you can place a link to the poem from the main page. In fact, I will do so myself. You should see a link to the subarticle in a few minutes. I would assume all links to that article will either redirect to the new Wikisource article, or you will know when the link turns red. --Deathphoenix 01:02, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I'll wait then.--Jondel 01:10, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pearle and Lapu-lapu[edit]

In case you didn't catch the discussion elsewhere, it turns out a small programming error was causing Pearle to delete interwiki links from all articles she edited. Thanks for catching that when you did; it prevented further damage and an even messier cleanup. All affected articles have since been repaired. -- Beland 20:49, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok.--Jondel 06:19, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How to Heal Traumas[edit]

What are you doing? All of the votes were to delete, not to move to a new name. RickK 09:55, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

Umm there were two suggestions to move to a new name.--Jondel 09:57, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
And 10 to delete it. More than enough for consensus. And why was the VfD header deleted? RickK 10:03, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
Ok. Let me restore /rever to its original form?--Jondel 10:06, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Your browser is modifying accented letters[edit]

Your latest edits to List of false friends and Wikipedia:Community Portal altered some accented letters [1]. You must have modified your browser today, because your edits from yesterday on that same page weren't doing this. -- Curps 12:02, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok, can't investigate browser, but will make appr changes thanks.--Jondel 12:07, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism in Spanish[edit]

No, I don't have an account there. My only accounts are on en, commons, and wikinews. CryptoDerk 03:23, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, thanks.--Jondel 03:54, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Hi Jondel. Thanks for supporting my adminship. -- Sundar (talk · contribs) 09:10, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Your welcome. Please understand that I believe you will not abuse privileges.--Jondel 09:14, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I assure you that I will not abuse my previleges. -- Sundar (talk · contribs) 09:22, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support on my admin vote. Helpful Dave 14:02, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Gotta help the good guys, to crowd out the bad guys. Your welcome. Congrats.--Jondel 23:57, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yet another, Jondel: thanks for supporting my RFA with your vote! Wish I could come to Tokyo and meet you at the Peruvian restaurant (is there really a good one there? I love Peruvian food! Antandrus 01:00, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

iVives en Tokyo? Practico espanyol en un restaurante en Gotanda! Vamos!--Jondel 09:21, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
No, no vivo en Tokyo; vivo en los Estados Unidos (California). Tenemos muchos restaurantes Peruvianos aquí ... thanks for your note! Antandrus 14:58, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thank you for supporting my nomination on RfA, it failed because of Wikipedia's minority rule system, although I thought 21/8 support was sufficient. It was also cut short by 12 hours. But your vote of confidence is greatly appreciated, now let's build an encyclopedia! --Bjarki 14:03, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Someone with the same handle as yours posted to my Talk in caucus; is that you? I am asking members who wish to caucus to send an email to another member of the caucus, and post their handles in the appropriate place. This is only so we know who we are speaking with -- we don't ask for Real Names, but we do like to see faces. — Xiongtalk 21:24, 2005 Apr 15 (UTC)

Yes it was me. I'm a bit occupied now. But will respond.--Jondel 00:06, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ooops I forgot to send an e-mail--Jondel 08:12, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

University of Santo Tomas[edit]

I read your comments on my talk page. I see you also posted it at Talk:University of Santo Tomas, so we'll have to see what the disputing users have to say about it. I don't really have an opinion... I know very little about the facts of the dispute. -- Curps 06:58, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Lets wait and see. After a few days, I will be posting at the University of San Carlos article.--Jondel 07:00, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Possible RFC on RickK relating to his deletion and undeletion actions[edit]

I am considering filing an RFC on RickK relating to his abuse of deletion and undeletion policies. As you have tried and failed to resolve this dispute with him, I am requesting that you read my current draft (note that the current debate is still ongoing, and the situation there may change) and let me know whether you'd certify the basis for the dispute. Thanks. --SPUI (talk) 22:21, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I'm creating my own draft which I intend to incorporate when appropriate.--Jondel 07:17, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:Jondel/RFCRickk(let me organize my thoughts first)

No offense, but I have already set up the RFC draft, and I think I've gotten all the evidence there in the proper format - the best thing you could probably do (once it's active) is to certify it, and then add brief comments when you sign. I think comments like those on User:Jondel/RFCRickk would go on the talk page of the RFC. --SPUI (talk) 11:52, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Basically, my question is: if I post the RFC, will you add your name to it within two days? If so, I will post it. --SPUI (talk) 21:36, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Lead the way. Do add my name to certify it. I at least just wanted to release some steam with User:Jondel/RFCRickk. If all the points are covered then no need to repeat. --Jondel 23:58, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've moved it to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/RickK - please add your name at Users certifying the basis for this dispute. Thanks. --SPUI (talk) 00:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Done. Let me know if there is anything else.--Jondel 02:20, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Netoholic 2/Proposed decision[edit]

Hi, only arbitrators can vote on the decision pages I'm afraid, but you are welcome to add any comments or suggestions to the talk page. Regards -- sannse (talk) 13:14, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

oops--Jondel 23:28, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)


You are hereby awarded the The General Alexander Haig Medal of Honor. Salute!Xiongtalk* 14:57, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

(Return salute ) Carry on soldier! I'm in charge!Forward march! Left , left, left, RAAAIIT LEFT.--Jondel 00:28, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

RickK RFC[edit]

This is my first RFC too, and I'm figuring it out as I go. It appears to me that you can add a short summary of anything extra you want to add where you signed to certify the basis - the outside views are for those who weren't involved. Maybe add some to the summary, though the best place might be on the talk page. I'm not really sure. --SPUI (talk) 00:21, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm on the verge of ranting. I might place a comment to his statements.I'll look at the other RFCs and see how its done.--Jondel 00:25, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

PELICAN SHIT --SPUI (talk) 07:56, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Hi there! Because the RFC about Xiong seemed to deal mainly on his disagreements with Netoholic, I thought it best to start a new RFC to see if people have comments on Xiong's behavior that do not relate to Netoholic. Please give your thoughts and/or opinion on that at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Xiong. Radiant_* 08:26, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

    • I have to investigate those behavioural actions first. --Jondel 08:31, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • No problem. If you don't remember anything wrong with Xiong, I'd suggest simply waiting for a day or two and then visiting the RFC. If there are actual complaints, someone will voice them. If not, the RFC should be closed. Radiant_* 08:40, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
    • Wait then , ok.--Jondel 08:46, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hasta la Victoria Siempre![edit]

I appreciate your vote and encouraging words. :) Happy May Day! Yours, El_C 00:53, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

  • De nada. I'm a fan of Che Guevarra.--Jondel 00:56, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

My RFA[edit]

Thank you for your comments on my RFA. Although the voting period just ended with a 14-8-2 vote, I will admit once and for all that I used it more as an evaluation of myself. Being promoted would have been a plus. I was more interested in who voted, when they voted, who would change their votes and when, and the comments I would receive. Hopefully I will correct the main weakness that was raised by those who voted oppose -- that I was too eager to put articles on VFD. Also, I will try to interact more with those Wikipedians who did not vote at all.

As for next month, I don't know if I will nominate myself again. I might not think about it until somebody else puts me up there on RFA at a later date. Eventually, I see myself as an admin, especially as the number of articles and users continues to grow. Thanks again and good luck at improving this vast archive of free knowledge. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 09:15, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


Hello Jondel

Here's an invitation to visit WP:JCOTW, Japan-related collaboration of the week. Your vote, nomination and comments are welcome. Hope to see you there! --Aphaea* 04:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your vote WikiThanks.png ;-) --Aphaea* 08:43, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Your welcome.--Jondel 08:45, 7 May 2005 (UTC)



An answer to your question posted on the Talk:Episcopal Church in the United States of America page. I would post on that page, but I am a Catholic scholar, so I generally avoid contributing to articles on churches outside my area of expertise. However, the basic answers are:

"What is the difference? I know that Episcopalians don't follow the Pope."

  • This is pretty much a given. Only the Roman Catholic Church and a few associated churches (for the most part, other "Catholic" or "Orthodox" churches in communion with the Roman Pontiff) "follow" the Pope.

"What else? Do E. believe in the Holy Trinity?"

  • Yes, like most other mainline Christian denominations, the ECUSA professes the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

"Do they celebrate Mass or have a Holy Eucharist?"

  • While some invidiuals might speak of "Episcopal Mass" the ECUSA more correctly refers to thier service as "Holy Eucharist, Rite I" or "Holy Eucharist, Rite II." More information is available at [2]

"Is there a stress on a particular doctrine, eg. Baptists with baptism, Pentecostals with gifts of the Holy Spirit, etc."

  • Doctrinally, the ECUSA is closely linked with other Anglican Churches, although there is currently a controversy over the role of homosexuals as bishops.

"Do the preachers, reverrends, etc. have to be celibate?" "Can woment be pastors, reverrends, etc."

  • The parish-level clergy in the ECUSA are called preists, and perform the same basic functions as Catholic priests. However, women are eligible for the priesthood, and celibacy is not required.

"Is there an official Episcopalian stand on abortion, cloning?"

  • The best reference for this is the church's official website, [3]

Hope that helps. If I can answer any other questions, let me know. Essjay 04:04, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I have some Episcopalian friends and just need to know how to relate to them. I am not a very devoted Catholic.--Jondel 04:08, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Jondel: Thanks for the note on my Talk page...Although I have great respect for them, no, I am not a Jesuit, as I'm not a priest. I'm a Catholic scholar at a secular university in the U.S. "Essjay" is the spelled-out form of my initials, S.J. (no, not "Society of Jesus") as well as my patron saint, Saint Justin. It was a nickname I picked up in graduate school. Thanks for the interest. --Essjay 04:18, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

No, I'm a different Sparky. I'm between Japan and California. Now in Santa Monica. - Sparky 16:06, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

So delighted to see Essjay here. Makes me feel in good company! Jeffrey Newman 00:30, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Re: Is Yoga wrong according to Christian doctrine?

"If for example I visualize or concentrate on an energy center (chakra) for a certain period everyday, is this wrong according to Christan doctrine? Thanks." --Jondel 08:31, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Jondel: I'm sure there are Christians out there that would say yes, that it's pagan or Satanist or something else, but I think you're safe doing yoga and meditating. I personally am somewhat of a heretic, so I wouldn't object, although when Benedict XVI was still Cardinal Ratzinger he did say that Buddhism was an "autoerotic spirituality" that offered "transcendence without imposing concrete religious obligations."

I guess the important question would be this: "What are you trying to achieve with yoga?" If you're seeking relaxation and a clearer mind, then you're in no more danger of running afoul of the Church than you would be by doing breathing exercises. If your intention is to achieve transcendence or be released from the cycle of rebirth, then you may have problems, and would have to be immediately burned at the stake for heresy. (Just joking...)

For the most part, I don't think you'll run afoul of Christian doctrine by practicing yoga. I'm not an expert on Buddhist-Christian relations, but a good friend of mine is, and I've fired off an email to him asking just this question. When I get a response, I'll post it here. Essjay 04:05, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Yoga, Version 2.0[edit]

RE: RE: Is Yoga wrong according to Christian doctrine?

"Thanks for your response. However, how far can this go? Would a book on Rajah Yoga(Patanjali)be able to recieve a Nihil obstat/Imprimatur? One good reason to practise mediation is to develop sustained attention, like playing tennis. I 've researched the internet, but the Catholic Church doesn't seem to welcome or be open to it. Although similar practises are done by Christian mystics, achieving an alternate (higher)state of consciousness." --Jondel 04:13, 16 May 2005 (UTC)


From the one who was, who is, and who is to come, grace, light and peace be with you always. (It's a Catholic thing...)

I saw your response to my response to your question. (More importantly: Who's on first?)

1) I don't think a book on Rajah Yoga (Patanjali) would benefit from the Nihil obstat/Imprimatur, as from what I read on the Patanjali page, it is considered Hindu scripture. Nihil obstat/Imprimatur regard Catholic doctrine; they certify that there are no moral or doctrinal errors (acccording to Catholic teaching) and that the Church has given permission for the work to be published. However, the designations are most common on theological texts of importance to Catholics. (I'm certian that there are others on WP who would debate me on this topic.)

Certainly, any text can request the imprimatur/nihil obstat. The competent authority (bishop, vicar-general, pope, whomever) to whom the request is made would then investigate and make a decision on whether or not to grant imprimatur/nihil obstat; I really can't speculate on what that authority might decide.

I suppose that the author/publisher of a text on Rajah Yoga could request the imprimatur/nihil obstat, and if the text was found to be free of moral and doctrinal error, the request would be granted, but I don't see why the author/publilsher would want one, as most Catholics today wouldn't recognize the meaning of the imprimatur/nihil obstat.

2) I certainly agree with you that practicing yoga is a great way to develop sustained attention, and I don't think the Church would discourage the practice for this reason. (Then again, I'm a heretic, so, what do I know...) I think that not finding much information on yoga and Catholicism on the intertnet is actually a good sign; if the Church was against it, they wouldn't be shy about saying so.

I suppose the core question is this: What do you mean by "yoga."

From what I know of yoga, it is a system which may easily be integrated with the practitioner's established religious affiliation, much like meditation. If my understanding is correct, then there is nothing about yoga that the Church would oppose. Yoga is no more a threat to Catholicism than basketball. (Although in some areas, basketball may be considered a religion...) There is no threat that there will be an uprising of priests who insist on the congregation forgoing kneeling and instead assuming the lotus position. If "yoga" refers to the excercise classes being taught at the YMCA, I don't think the Church has any reason to disapprove. (Apparently, these classes focus on "Hatha yoga.") Ditto for pilates classes.

However, if "yoga" refers to a spiritual or quasi-spiritual system by which the practitioner makes contact with any metaphysical entity other than the Trinity, then I believe the Church would oppose Catholics practicing it. If the practitioner of yoga is encouraged to utilize yoga in lieu of the established sacraments of the Church, then I believe the Church would oppose Catholics practicing it. If yoga practitioners are instructed that they can gain salvation by their practice, then I believe the Church would oppose Catholics practicing it. (My understanding is that none of the above are true.)

In the simplist terms: If yoga is, as I believe it to be, a system that can be incorporated with the practitioner's existing Catholicism without encouraging the practitioner to commit heresy, apostacy, or schism, then I think the Church would accept it. I think it is more likely that the Church, like myself, does not really know what the practice of yoga involves, and therefore the Church does not really have a position on yoga. I support the establishment of a Pontifical Council on Yoga and Catholicism, and I will make sure to suggest it to Benedict XVI if the opportunity arises. As for me personally, I'm already a heretic, so I support the practice of yoga by anyone who wants to practice it, Catholic or not.

I hope this helps, and do excuse my attempts at humor if any were offensive. I look forward to hearing back from you. Essjay

Yoga, Version 2.1[edit]


I was considering further your question about the Church and yoga, and it occurred to me that Nostra Ætatethe Declaration on the Relation of the Church with Non-Christian Religions of the Second Vatican Council might be of additional help to you. I look forward to hearing back from you soon.

Religions, however, that are bound up with an advanced culture have struggled to answer the same questions by means of more refined concepts and a more developed language. Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust. Again, Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world; it teaches a way by which men, in a devout and confident spirit, may be able either to acquire the state of perfect liberation, or attain, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination. Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing "ways," comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites. The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.(4)
The Church, therefore, exhorts her sons, that through dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions, carried out with prudence and love and in witness to the Christian faith and life, they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men. (Emphasis added.)

Hope this helps! Essjay 07:56, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Nose-picking photo[edit]

Sure, use the photo, but please provide me with a link to it, and please site where you got it. Thanks! --[[User:JonMoore|—JonMoore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 18:48, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Theresia Unno[edit]

Heya, just to let you know, I'll hop on that research bit for that as soon as (working on writing that Sakakibara article I've been blowing off for the longest time). Saw a couple of pages on Goo based on Unno's romaji name, so that might come in help as well.

Heh. I thought I was the only Hispanic living in Japan when I was there from 96-99 (not really, I was with the Navy at the time, in Yokosuka). God, I miss the place. Lucky you. ^_^ --Mitsukai 13:23, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Me disculpo; Había pensado que usted era Hispánico en vez de Filipino. My Spanish and Japanese have atrophied to a degree because there's no place around here I can really use either; hoping to get some practice here on Wiki. As for the Theresia Unno stuff, I found more stuff on Goo and I'm going to sit down this weekend and hammer out a translation. Hope it doesn't get killed off before then. --Mitsukai 12:53, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Dropping by to say "HI"[edit]

Hey, Jondel. Just wanted to say that. I read some of those articles that you work on and they're great. Thanks for the tips you gave me. Jute 00:14, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Your welcome! --Jondel 00:24, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for supporting my adminship Jodel! Just write me a line if you meet a troll, and I'll help you out.--Wiglaf 21:14, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

An or A[edit]

I would say, "a historical monument", it seems that google does agrees with me [4] vs. [5]. This case is probably marginal and both are in use. The contrary argument must say that "historical" is pronounced more like "an istorical" much the same way "an onorable" has a silent "h". I, however, pronounce the h and so does Out of curiosity where is this a concern? Si, hablo poco espanol. Voy a Tener mi examen final, en esa clase, manana (sin acentos). BrokenSegue 01:15, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Solo he visto el resumen (edit summary) de tus redactiones en Star Wars. I just saw the comment in you corrections to Star Wars. I work in a publications company here in Japan. Gotta be careful with the grammar. Tenga buena suerte en tus examenes! (sin diacriticos/acentos tambien ). Would you believe I studied Spanish here in Japan? --Jondel 01:21, 26 May 2005 (UTC)


I am sorry I could not help you out with the request. I think it was both an illness and my wikistress that was giving me a splitting headache as soon as I looked at the intro page. I simply had to take a break from Wikipedia for a few days. I was pleased to see that someone else took care of it anyway. Cheers,--Wiglaf 20:31, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

That!s OK. Learn to meditate.--Jondel 00:32, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jondel[edit]

Hello Jondel and thank you for your warm welcome.

Btw, I'm trying to do something with WikiProject Prodigies, so if you are interested, you can join.

Bestestestest :) regards, --Master Psychologist

I already did!--Jondel 07:18, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

I can understand that you want to wait and see what my edits are like, as you don't know me very well (or at all). However, i'm disappointed you voted oppose. I see oppose as a negative, as if i've done something to upset or annoy you, and it doesn't make sense that you oppose for wanting to see how I am as a user first. I can understand your not supporting fully, but I would have hoped that you might of given me a "benefit of the doubt" neutral instead. Hedley 01:29, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Administration used to be 'no big deal' . These days, there are sooo many trolls. I've had many encounters(not that you are one). Again , this is just one vote and many are voting for you and it is only a temporary thing. I need to see to some ability hande disputes(there will be many that you will handle as an administrator). User is one thing. Administration is another (big) thing. I agree with your edits but for a different reason. You seem too strict.--Jondel 01:39, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I accept your reasoning, although your explaining does to be honest sound similiar to that of a neutral vote (I tend to see agreeing with my ability to edit but wanting to see more first as a neutral viewpoint). Of course, its your decision :p I've handled a few mini-disputes before, like child prodigy where i'm discussing things with a vanity troll who wants his name back on the list :p Thanks for the explanation anyway. Hedley 02:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support[edit]

Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some pie! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, Radiant_>|< 08:07, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)


That nonsepedia section of the Wikipedia:sandbox was so funny! I think we should include it into BJAODN; or we could submit it to the comedy wikicity. --SuperDude 05:11, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I 'm glad its funny :D  !. I was expecting a reprimand  :( . phew ! --Jondel 05:14, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

When you reply to other users, don't add to your own talk page, add to other Wikipedians' talk pages. An also, that humor you put on the sandbox just got submitted to Wikicomedy. --SuperDude 05:20, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Hi Jondel, I am afraid I can only block people according to this policy description Wikipedia:Blocking_policy.--Wiglaf 06:52, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ok.--Jondel 07:00, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Hey Jondel: I still have your page on my watchlist from the old "yoga discussion" and I caught vandalism on your user page earlier and reverted it. I hope you don't mind. Essjay · talk 21:50, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Essjay, thanks a lot.--Jondel 00:13, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

External link to nonsensepedia[edit]

I like the idea of having an external link to your transwikied prank from the Wikipedia sandbox the other day! --SuperDude 23:45, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

here it is--Jondel 01:03, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Be a comedian; anytime, anywhere, in anyway for anyreason to anyone![edit]

Are you a good comedian? You can help me do some contributions on Wikicomedy! Nobody but me seems to have any material to add to Wikicomedy. Will you and some other Wikipedians use Wikicomedy and make it halarious? I am counting on you because of that one prankish contribution you made to the sandbox which got submitted to Wikicomedy! --SuperDude 03:41, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Reply to comedy project[edit]

That nosepicking law page was funny! Also, you should cast some votes on the ballot for ASCII COWS since it has been transwikied to Wikicomedy! I would vote it for a delete since Wikipedia is not as approprate for it as Wikicomedy is.

Thank you for your support[edit]

Hi! thank you for your support for my admin candidacy. I have now been promoted—I hope that you will always feel that I am a responsible administrator. JeremyA 05:12, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Great! Congrats! I'm sure you will live up to expectations.--Jondel 05:13, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cat photo from Nonsensepedia[edit]

Is that your cat that is in that lazy cat photo? or is it a photo from another source? --SuperDude 18:24, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin[edit]

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:28, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Comedy music[edit]

There is a list of comedy songs That only I have added anything to so far; do you know of any comedy or parody song besides ones that are already on the list that you can add on to? "Weird Al" Yankovic is a well-known song parodist. --SuperDude 05:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Compensation (essay) cleanup?[edit]

I noticed that you did quite a bit of cleanup on the above article, around September last year. Does it still need the cleanup tag? Please let me know if you are planning to do more work on it, or what other work you think it might need. JesseW 23:46, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I would rather have it removed. What standards do we use to clean up? --Jondel 00:09, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It took me a sec to figure out what the reference was when you mentioned the page on my talk page(a link would have helped. ;-)), but as far as standards for removing the cleanup tag, it basically comes down to the judgement of each editor who sees it - if you see an article that doesn't seem to need cleanup(and you've checked the cleanup page, and the article's talk page to see if more information about what cleanup is needed is posted there), feel free to remove the tag. If it still needs cleanup, someone else will add it. The same is true of *adding* a cleanup tag(there are more specific ones than just {{cleanup}}, so it's best to use them if possible.) - anyone can do it, and the more infomation you provide on what needs to be cleaned up, the more likely it is that it will get done. So, I've removed the cleanup tag (but you could have done it as easily as I) (I've also removed the line from Wikipedia:Cleanup/September; please check What Links Here when removing cleanup tags, in case they are linked from the cleanup pages...) Cheers! JesseW 19:32, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Hi Jondel. I just wanted to say thanks for your help with the San Juan De Los Morros page. I love to translate but sometimes still miss a few things. Translating helps me strenthen my writing abilites in other other languages, especially Spanish. I wasn't sure if I could just jump in and translate but I guess I can. I will work on other translations in Spanish, as well as Italian and German. :) Mseames 21:42, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

belated thanks[edit]

Thanks for your support of my RFA almost a month ago! Unfortunately, a family situation arose suddenly at that time that took a lot of my time and energy. Things are getting a little more normal now so I hope to be a more active admin. Regards, FreplySpang (talk) 23:23, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


I'm not sure if you said you would support me in one month during my last RfA, but after withdrawing from my last RfA due to a dispute with a user, i've been nominated. If you want to express a vote you can at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Hedley 2. Hedley 11:03, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

DrZoidberg for admin![edit]

DrZoidberg has been nominated for Administrator!! Please feel free to vote on this matter.  DrZoidberg 15:57, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for voting for me; I hope I make it! Essjay or some derivative of it seems to be a pretty popular username around here; I got an email two weeks ago from Essjay-R who wanted me to know he wasn't an imposter! -- Essjay · Talk 07:41, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Translation help needed[edit]

Hi Jondel! Could you help me figure out the Japanese name for Pacific krill? I've found this Japanese site, from which I have made some educated guesses. However, as I do not know any Japanese at all, it would be really good if you could correct my blundering around at Pacific krill... Thanks! Lupo 09:38, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

You wrote: "Lupo, there's a Krill page which mentions that the Japanese word is okiami. Is this ok."
I know. I wrote most of that page myself! Okiami (オキアミ) is indeed the Japanese word for Krill (confirmed by Googling, and see also the ja:-interwiki link at that article). More precisely, it is apparently the Japanese word for both "Krill" in general and also commonly used to denote Antarctic krill (Euphausia superba), the most commonly fished species of Krill. However, I am looking for the Japanese name of the Pacific krill (Euphausia pacifica), the second-most fished species. E. pacifica is fished only in the seas around Japan, and it is clear from Googling that isada krill is its name. However, that site states:
Euphausia pacifica

Now, simple pattern matching reveals ツノナシオキアミオキアミ目) that the word "krill" (オキアミ) occurs twice in that heading. Which one is the name now, and what does the first one mean? Is my translation of "eye krill" for the thing in parentheses ok? And what's the translation of the first bit? I mean, this is a commercial site; one or the other might be a brand name, not the species name! Lupo 07:01, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

I should have looked at the history of the krill page!
This dictionary says:
ツノナシオキアミ tsunashiokiami

オキアミ目 (okiamime)is Euphasiacea but is often mentioned together with Eupausia pacifica.

These other sites may be useful.:

ツナ is ussually 'Tuna' or rope or fiber(綱).

I'll research tsuna nashi next.--Jondel 07:49, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I can't seem to find tsuna nashi.--Jondel 07:58, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok, so we have setablished that the header reads
Euphausia pacifica
and that the first bit is transliterated as tsunashi okiami, i.e tsunashi krill. Now why does the term "isada krill" occur so often in connection with Pacific krill? On "tsunashi", I found this. Maybe it just means "krill eaten by gizzard shads"? Lupo 08:32, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

There are many terms that Japanese feel should use the Japanese name. For example, I feel that the Japanese here will give the name isada krill instead of Pacific krill. BTW another tsuna could be 砂 (sand) a gizzard contains stones (sand) to act as teeth . But there is still no confirmation. --Jondel 09:04, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


The mop is mine!

Thanks for voting in my RfA; I promise I'll wield my sacred mop with care. If you ever need me for anything, you know where to find me. Thanks again! -- Essjay · Talk 15:24, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Who's RFA[edit]

Thank you for your vote of support. Who?¿? 03:02, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism Concern[edit]

Hi Jondel,

The De La Salle - College of Saint Benilde wiki has been vandalized with profanity as well as links to adult websites, though I have already restored the last unadulterated version.

I am really not sure where to forward complaints against vandalism by unregistered users. You were the one who sent me a welcome message (and incidentally, you are a fellow LSGH alumni too) so I decided to ask advice from you.

I am wondering what would be the best thing to deal with this - is it possible to ban those ip addresses from posting/editing wikis?

Thanks a lot for you help!

Mark 14:08, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Templates for Wikicities[edit]

I created some templates for Wikicities to indicate that some Wikipedians also have an account on Wikicities and vice versa, will you track down some common Wiki users for template implementation? --SuperDude 00:04, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Sandbox gnome - Who[edit]

Congrats on your adminship!!

Unfortunately, I did not make it this time around, but thank you for the sentiment. Who?¿?

Let us say a kid wants to play in sandbox but is polite and does not break any rules. I expect the kid to grow up eventually in the mean time, he spends his time in almost entirely in the Sandbox.

However he went to far and accidentally destroyed part of it. He doesn't contribute anything though and so the anti-fun bullies (trolls) totally ban him forever from the premises. Is this Ok? Could I ask your comment? --Jondel 00:48, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't believe in the permanent ban of anyone. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia and can be fixed, even if it takes awhile to catch it all. This is the same for my home, as items are just that items, and its only ones feelings that get hurt, which heal over time too. I offer the chance to anyone to "grow up" or change their views or actions. However, even politeness doesn't mean one may not mean harm to their environment, they should be viewed by both their tempermant and actions. As far as contributions, each persons contributions differ in many ways. I am not very good at creating a nice looking article, but can add to it functionally, so my contributions may not meet a visual standard, but it does in a technical. I look at everything a person has done in a specific environment and evaluate them based on that. Thanks for asking. Who?¿? 01:05, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree with who. Besides, I don't think permabans are appropreate unless in extreme cases. By the way, is this the guy who was adding humungous images to the sandbox? After a look on the guy's talk page I think a short-term ban could be appropreate (like giving a small child a timeout). — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 01:14, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

(To Who:)You thanked me and I assumed you won. Anyway , Zoidberg is blocked and I'm concerned . Thanks anyway.--Jondel 01:10, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Yea, i wanted to thank you for your vote reguardless of the outcome. Hmm, DrZoidberg is definately blocked indefinately, but by David Gerard, who is not only an admin but a checkuser. So if he did it, I'm not sure what to do about it, but contact him directly and ask, or do an WP:RFC if his response is not to your liking. Sorry I couldn't help further. Who?¿? 01:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


Let's get the facts straight. (1) Zoidberg is not polite and does not follow the rules, at least not uniformly so. He has created trouble in the sandbox before, and serves to frustrate newbies who expect it to work properly as they work through the tutorial. (2) His recent "breaking" the sandbox was not accidental. It was a deliberate attempt to post large volumes of useless content, something he had been warned against only a few days before. How do you reconcile an edit summary of "Sandbox go squish" with the idea of accidental damage? (3) This is not about anti-fun bullies, it is about having an environment that is safe for newbies to experiment with, both in the sense of having the page behave in an expected fashion, and in the sense of not encountering Zoidberg's criticism, putdowns, and inappropriate humor. Please see also other discussion on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and on User_talk:DrZoidberg. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 02:30, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jondel, I am sorry that you sympathize with DrZoidberg, but if we consider the sandbox metaphor, a child who destroys the sandbox again and again so other children can't play should be forbidden to use it by the caretaker. He was warned.--Wiglaf 21:54, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I nominated you for RfA[edit]

Hoy, Jondel! Ninominate kita para maging Adminstrator ka. Sa tingin ko, kailangang Pinoy na Administrator dito sa Wikipedia. I think you and seav are fit for the job. So please accept. :-)

Heto ang link: Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Jondel --Chris 02:20, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your vote of confidence.--Jondel 15:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome, and um... mucho... lucko? Well, best of luck in your RfA! ;-) --Deathphoenix 17:11, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Swami Roberto[edit]

Sorry, no hablo espanol. Andries 11:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


You're welcome!--Wiglaf 21:13, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Nang Nak[edit]

I've had it on my to do list, but haven't actually done anything with it. Looks like you made a pretty good start. I've added it to the list of thai related articles as it will get better visibility from the other people working on Thai articles there.

I'm not really into Buddhism in any real sense I'm afraid, but we do have a shrine at home. KayEss | talk 04:35, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


Saw your message in my talk page. I don't think you have a lot to worry about, I think you'll do fine. I've dealt with disputes before in other mediums like message boards, and it's not a big deal. Plus, it'll be easier for you to deal with vandals. --Chris 03:38, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok thanks.--Jondel 04:23, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


Thank you for your vote of support on my recent RfA. I was quite surprised by the amount of support I received, and wish to extend my thanks to you for taking the time to support my nomination for adminship. -- Longhair | Talk 12:20, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Your welcome--Jondel 14:19, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Friendly Chat[edit]

Hell son, your dedication to the Wiki project is a good indication that you will make a great administrator. I checked you out and I must say that I'm very impressed. I know that you will make it and remember always keep "cool" under fire. At ease Tony the Marine 05:18, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Attention on deck!:Officer aboard < Return salute > Glad to have you on board officer.....

Semper fi!

Muchas gracias for your vote of confidence. Wow your wikipage is interesting. So, you are from Puerto Rico. Ojala , Me gustaria desarrollar mi espanyol. Yo fue tambien a Espanya, Mexico, Venezuela y Panama. Mexico parece mucho a filipinas. Venezuela parece mas a Europa. El espanyol es popular pero no se habla en filipinas. Escribo o traduciendo muchos articulos a wikipedia de espanyol. iConoces que Dayana Torres(puertoriquenya representativa a Miss Universe) vino a Filipinas? --Jondel 07:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thank you for your support on my RfA! When I submitted it, I was unsure of how I'd do, but the support was great. I promise that I won't do anything too stupid with the trust you've given me. humblefool®Deletion Reform 19:31, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Stop by Wikipedia:Deletion reform!

You're welcome[edit]

You're very welcome. You deserved it, and I'm sure you'll get the sacred mop! -- Essjay · Talk 06:17, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

See User talk:Redwolf24#RFA. Redwolf24 06:31, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Your RfA[edit]

You're quite welcome. BTW, we're having a cool summer. >_< It could be worse, though. See ya, --Merovingian (t) (c) 07:03, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

you are most welcome. re toilet paper, I know, don't ask :\ you have to cherish the recognition you get, especially from wikicelebrities dab () 12:34, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Friendly Chat[edit]

  • Amigo, you would like Puerto Rico it is really great there. I lived there for 20 years but, I have been living in Arizona for the last 15. Yeah, Dayanara Torres lived in the Phillippines and did well for her self there. I would like you to look at my article Carlos Lozada. Some mutcase put it up for deletion and I would appreciate your opinion. Tony the Marine 08:09, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

kmccoy's RFA[edit]

Hey, Jondel,

Thanks for your support on my RFA. :) Also, that's an awfully intimidating cat on your user page. Is he yours? You should tag that image. :) kmccoy (talk) 23:07, 4 August 2005 (UTC)


You're an admin, and with a unanimous vote at that! You may wish to take a look at User:UninvitedCompany/Advice to new admins. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 00:26, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations and welcome to the team, Jondel! --Sn0wflake 13:42, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Congratulations, it was an honor for me to have voted for you and to have befriended you. Good luck my friend Tony the Marine 05:14, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Semper fi!Thank you, my gulible and obliging fools!Mwa ha ha haha! Now to implement by diabolic scheme to for your valued support. I hope I live up to your expectations. Wow, so many supporters. I didn't expect so many voters.--Jondel 09:36, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Lol you lost me until I noticed the english [ahh summer]. No problem, I honestly thought you were already an admin. Congratulations. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 12:47, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

 : Thanks for talking in my user page. I didn't know na admin ka na pala, ngayon ko lang kasi nakita yung nomination page. Congratulations ngarud! I'm glad to know of your Ilokano roots! So, you might be related to Aurelio S. Agcaoili, an Ilokano writer and educator, who is a native of Laoag City? Anyway, being a newbie wikipedian, I hope to learn more, especially from you, your guidance. -- Saluyot 02:16, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
  • Just wanted to say congratulations. It's nice to finally see an admin who deals a lot with Philippine related articles! =) --Dysepsion 18:10, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Thank you ! I hope I live up to expectations. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you. That St. Malo article is very interesting. I was planning to write about it but never got around to doing it.--Jondel 05:20, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

RE: Late Reply[edit]

I don't know ukranian, and I'm only learning latin roots, so I can figure it out occasionally. Congrats on becoming an admin. Sé espanol porque yo estoy aprendiendo espanol en la escuela. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 03:59, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


Hoy Jondel - kakikita ko lang yung Barnstar award na iniligay mo doon sa aking user page. Naku, sikat na 'ko, ah! ;-P That was nice of you ... Maraming salamat sa iyo, dakal a salamat keka, diyos mabalos saimo, damo nga salamat ha imo, agyamanak unay kenka, dakel a salamat ed sika, magsukul tuud kaymu, daghang salamat kanimo, mabbalo, abo gid nga saeamat kimo, etc. etc. :-D --Chris 10:49, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Uh, my Dad, lola and others are from Ilokas but I don't understand ilokano. I understand Ilonggo. About the award, it is really well deserved.--Jondel 23:56, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Actually it was "thank you very much" in different Philippine languages. In order: Tagalog, Kapampangan, Bikol, Waray-Waray, Ilokano, Pangasinan, Tausug, Cebuano, Ibanag, and Aklanon. :-) --Chris 00:52, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, thanks for the award! I will wear it proudly. I hope you don't mind, I tidied it up a bit. Thanks. :) Coffee 02:21, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't mind. The award is well deserved.--Jondel 02:22, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: RFA[edit]

I have received your acknowledgement and you are welcome. As I also plan to become an administrator here sometime soon, you may nominate me if you would like to.--Jusjih 07:03, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Spanish Translation of the Week[edit]

You showed support for Spanish Translation of the Week. This week Gestalt therapy was chosen to be translated from es:Terapia gestáltica. Hope you can help.

Malolos City[edit]

Hi Jondel, just wondering, why are did you Wikilink some of the barangays in Malolos City. Most of them are red links, and none of the blue links refer to the barangays. Coffee 10:27, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

You're right. Sometimes, I wikilink to emphasize a name whether the links(blue ) exist or not. Then why did'nt I wikilink them all ? Sorry. I 'll be undoing the wikilinks.--Jondel 23:58, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

English to Spanish translations[edit]

I like translating from English to Spanish just fine, it's just that Spanish is my second language and it takes alot longer and the outcome is not as good. If there is an article you have in mind, I could give it a shot...Anyway, thanks for the welcome and por cierto, un saludo a ti también ;)--Orgullomoore 03:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


They both vandalize my user page in the same way, and both have the same stuff on their user page about smug people and a superiority complex. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt but it's not really that sockpuppetry that's a problem, but the vandalism. --SPUI (talk) 08:54, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Let me keep the image![edit]

In the sandbox, let the image stay, please! Adamwankenobi 05:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

OK. No profanity, porno, indecent images or anything suggesting the same please. It's just a sandbox.--Jondel 05:49, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Latin & Capiznon[edit]

No, I don't speak Latin. I don't have much desire to learn languages that are no longer spoken. heh.

BTW - Taga-Capiz ka, indi bala? Can you tell me how different and similar Capiznon is to the Hiligaynon of Iloilo? --Chris S. 07:45, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

My knowledge is not that deep. I can't tell the difference. Wa-ay ko kabalo mayad. Ga-inchindi ako galing di ko ka-hambal. I understand but can't speak it well. Actually , my Illonggo (that's what we call it in Capiz) sounds like Tagalog and in Manila my Tagalog sounds a bit like Illonggo. Amazingly even if I speak in Tagalog, other people from Capiz can tell that we come from the same province. The Hiligaynon sounds more 'malambing' to me. But that is as far as I can tell. I grew up in Manila with many frequent visits to Capiz and with many Illonggo speaking relatives .--Jondel 08:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Dakota Fanning[edit]

I was serious, though, about what I put on Dakota Fanning in the sandbox. The unencyclopedia is hilarious, though! Adamwankenobi 01:26, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

She is hot? Cute maybe?.... Anyway, I wrote the Nose-picking law, and The Nonesense (parody of the Sixth Sense).--Jondel 01:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Hinduism In the Philippines[edit]

Why don't you start Hinduism in the Philippines? --Dangerous-Boy

Looks good, but it will take a lot of research. I'll see what I can do.--Jondel 08:26, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I will try to gather material and work on it soon enough but please feel free to start on it. --Jondel 08:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Congrats by the way with all the accolades. Also, I started your project with a few stuff that was already available in Wikipedia. If you need me, I'll help out. --Noypi380 02:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


the only thing that looks similar is the half human half animal dieties. Article didn't say much of anything else. Many flipinos were shaministic. There might have been some influence from the Mahaphit. --Dangerous-Boy
We can find this in almost all cultures especially the Greek culture. We can't attribute this phenomena to Hinduism unless the half animal dieties are similar to Ganesha , Hanuman etc and with Hindu-like names.--Jondel 00:13, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


My turn to be thanking you: Salamat sa pagboboto sa akin. :) Coffee 08:51, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Your welcome! I would have nominated you myself.--Jondel 02:11, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


Hey, I just wanted to verify the spellin of the name. It can be put back now. --Noypi380 05:56, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok.--Jondel 05:57, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Manila Massacre[edit]

You accuse me of copying and pasting. Where is your evidence? Which site did I allegedly steal those two paragraphs? Either you directly show where I copied and pasted from or you have no right to accuse anyone of plagarism.--Secret Agent Man 03:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Including or other than that the page had the copyright notice and link on it when the article was copied and pasted in? Pikhq 04:59, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
...Maybe this discussion should be happening in the talk page for the disputed article instead of Jondel's talk page? Pikhq 05:01, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome[edit]

Thank you, sir, for the welcome... Rather kind of you to notice that some random person made a minor change and decide to give them a nice welcome to the wonderful Wiki... :) Pikhq 04:59, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Enjoy your stay here.--Jondel 05:01, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


I made a suggestion in Talk:2005 Philippine electoral crisis. Being an admin, I hope you can give us some expert advice. --Noypi380 08:43, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Leave a comment about Wikicomedy[edit]

Do you have any comment about Wikicomedy? I am the only one who left a comment in the comment field, not to menton, I was one who made that article. Fell free to express your opinion about Wikicomedy in that field.

I think we should put some Wikipedians up for RfC in spite of Wikicomedy.

I have also been the biggest contributor to Wikicomedy --SuperDude 23:47, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Too speedy?[edit]

I don't understand how the article for (which I nominated for AfD and you quickly speedied with edit summary non-notable, nonsense) qualifies for speedy deletion. I'm all for deleting useless articles, but they should be deleted by process! Right? — brighterorange (talk) 02:06, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

I apologize, it won't happen again. There were many speedy deletes pages on my tabbed and must have acted too fast.I am attempting to restore it now whether for due process of deletion or actual full restoration.--Jondel 02:12, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Restored.--Jondel 02:15, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
  1. Your welcome. --Jondel 02:29, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

I got your e-mail[edit]


And no, I am not studying to be a translator. I plan on getting Ph.D. in linguistics (sana nga) in the end.

As for the Latin documents - hindi ko alam kung may mga ganoon. Pero, marami ang document sa wikang Kastila. Ito ba ang gusto mo? --Chris S. 04:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Gusto lang sumulat sa latin wikipedia. Konti o wala sa internet o mahina ang search engine. Paano sabihin ang Luzon o Palawan, Mindoro, Cebu sa Latin? Yung lang. Good luck sa Ph. D mo.Kakzadhila (How are you in Bad Russian.)--Jondel 04:44, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


Thanks again, :) --Noypi380 06:44, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Invalid Speedy deletion[edit]

I undeleted Filth beast, which you deleted with the reason "not notable". This is not a speedy deletion criterion. While I totally agree with you about this one, we need to find a way to expand CSD, not just violate the process. I'm going to go through your deletions, and fix any other's that I find. Please be more careful. This one was not even listed for speedy deletion by anyone. JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:05, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

I've undeleted Sims99; the speedy tag was removed after you saw it. It seems like it might be the "only content is an external link" criteria, but not if there is a dispute(which removing the speedy tag counts as). And Fredheads - "not notable" is not an acceptable reason. And Norwich,Ct_ghosts; it is obviously not Wikipedia:Patent nonsense. And Perturabo - "not notable" is not a CSD. And Peter's_Got_Woods - looks like a episode summary to me; clearly not Patent Nonsense, which is the CSD. And Bacurius(even though I re-speedied it, as CSD G2) - "non notable" is not a CSD, and it was not patent nonsense. I've listed the ones I undeleted (that were not already on AfD) for deletion, as a courtesy to you(although I voted keep on some of them.) Please state the CSD criteria you are applying at the beginning of any future deletions you may do. Thanks for your hard work stemming the crapflood. It is appreciated. JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:31, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I undeleted and AfD about 11 more of your deletions (see the log of my actions), due to you not putting a reason or putting one that was inappropriate, like non notable, or nonsense for things that are obviously not Wikipedia:Patent nonsense. I've only gotten back to 04:11, 13 September 2005. Please don't think I'm stalking you; I just want to make sure that the WP:CSD are not misused. Reading over your talk page, it looks like you have added a lot of good material to the 'pedia. Thanks. And please don't stop your deletions; just be careful to list the CSD criteria in the Reason field. ;-) JesseW, the juggling janitor 09:27, 17 September 2005 (UTC)


I left some comments for you over at ia:Wikipedia:Taverna, which I hope will help. Good luck with Interlingua.  :) Almafeta 11:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Io te lassava alcun commentos a ia:Wikipedia:Taverna, que io spera va adjutar. Bon fortuna con Interlingua.  :) Almafeta 11:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Possible etymology of Visaya[edit]

Jondel, this is from the Hiligaynon article in Facts about the World's Languages. It was written by a well-known Philippine linguist named Dr. R. David Zorc. He has worked with Visayan languages since the 1970's and speaks Aklanon & Tagalog fluently.

The name Visayan was the Spanish rendition of the adjective bisayá’ referring to a person or item from the central Philippine islands and the verb binisayá’ meaning ‘to speak Bisayan.’ It applies to 36 different speech varieties, the most well-known of which include Cebuano, Waray, Hiligaynon, and Aklanon. Together, these groups represent over 40% of the Philippine population, almost double that of any other language in the archipelago. The word probably derives from a dialect variant of a Malay loan bicara ‘to speak,’ based on the propensity of many Filipinos to name their language based on some idiosyncracy of that language, e.g., Waráy ‘there is none,’ Ja’ún ‘over there.’ The Kinaray-a say bisára’ ‘to mention,’ Aklanon has bisáea’ ‘to utter’ and bilisad’un ‘saying, maxim,’ while the Banton, Odiongan, Surigao, Kawayan, and Romblon dialects use bisáya’ ‘to say, speak.’ [See Zorc 1977:42-45 for more details.

--Chris S. 13:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


I liked your comments on the Interlingua Wikipedia. Interlingua's one of the two languages I see being qualified as being the international language but on Wikipedia most of the contributors seem confused as to what Wikipedia actually is and they often try to put up copyrighted works and newspaper articles.

IMO the best place to learn the language in addition to a basic grammar reference is here: The file called curso de conversation. Quite good. 17:36, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Gratias ago. Thank you. Merci(How do you say thank you in interlingua?). What is the other international language that is qualifiable?

Got your comment. I understand Interlingua extremely well. I tried learning it, but I realized that there were "real" languages that I should've dedicated my attention to. The same with Esperanto. --Chris S. 02:35, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


Do you ever use Wikibooks? I sometimes do. You should help establish how-to guides for doing dance moves. Just go to List of dances|list of dances on Wikibooks and put some information in the articles. --SuperDude 03:51, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi from Catalonia[edit]

I saw you are in Project ECHO. It seems me agood idea. I'm bilingual catalan and spanish and I can speak more or less english and french, so I think I could help. If you look at calana wikipedia and see something interesting, I can help in translations, I'm Barcelona there: Please, leave me a message! -- 16:23, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Maradia Lawana[edit]

Can you start an article on Maradia Lawana. It's the flipino version of ramayana. --Dangerous-Boy

I used alltheweb search engine and came up with only two links . Do you know anymore? BTW, I am located in Japan.--Jondel 08:39, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Those are the only links I found too. I was surprised to find out there was a flipino version. --Dangerous-Boy


I draw your attention to (AfD discussion). Uncle G 02:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jondel[edit]

Hi Jondel.

This is the anonomys that you have deleted even though you were the one who told me to go into the discussion site and comment. I was quite surprised that you did this. I didn't know there was a rule that I had to be a member etc. I am new here and did not know. But without explanation and delete? That was not nice of you. Especially you were the one who told me to comment when I questioned about one page about the Filipino race. I will be a member or I guess create an account. However, I am extremely sadden with your action. I do like to give input so that we can improve this site. I respect your work. But you have hurt my feeling.

Sincerely yours, "Filipino Lover"

Hi! I apologize. Please forgive me. For you "Filipino Lover" in particular, it will not happen again. I will not be deleting any of your anonymous comments but at least make yourself known as Filipino Lover for your anonymous edits. If you want to be taken seriously, do register and be accountable,'Pare' with a User account just like the rest of us. I am sorry but this is the way things are here. Consider that there many highly opininated people here who vandalize, just want to advertize or preach something. What I did to you was done to me many times (and to others) when I was still new and anonymous here. Try editing the the village pump and see what happens. --Jondel 04:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:NetoXiongzilla.JPG has been listed for deletion[edit]

An image or media file you uploaded, Image:NetoXiongzilla.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

--Bash 22:23, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Ilocano wiki[edit]

Hi Jondel, thanks for your compliment on Juan Luna..I had been inactive for a few months (work), but am picking up again where I left of =)..I have proposed an Ilocano Wikipedia in Requests for new languages, so would appreciate your support! Oavcacananta 04:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


Hi Jondel. I've just posted a message on the Talk:Pampangos page about the writting style of the entire article. Was wandering if you could help with some input that'd tone down much of POV there. Here's what I posted on the talk page.

"This article seems to be written way too poetically and is highly POV.

  • "Pampangos are a proud race"
  • "famous for their bravery and courage"
  • "unsung heroes of Pampanga"
  • "truly epitomize the Pampango of the past. The brave and the courageous."
  • "A sturdy race"
  • "get absorbed into oblivion" (emotional wording)

As I said, very POV. Al-Andalus 02:35, 14 October 2005 (UTC)."

Thanks. Al-Andalus 02:53, 14 October 2005 (UTC).

I'll work on it but you really should feel free to edit it as this is an open source, everybody-be-bold encycolopedia.--Jondel 02:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello Jondel![edit]

Hello Jondel!

sorry for the late reply. Busy with work too. I caught a cold and just things after thing. Thanks for the warm welcome. I really appreciate it. Oh, I'm sorry, hindi po ako nagsasalita ng Tagalog. hehehe

Many of my friends are Filipinos and I was in a relationship with a Filipino for three years. I love the culture etc.

Ikaw Pinoy?


Filipno Lover.

Oo Filipino ako. Ok lang sa late reply. Enjoy editing here and the Philippines. I work in Japan as a reporter cum translator. --Jondel 07:14, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

the wub's RfA[edit]

Thanks a lot for your support on my RfA, I really appreciate it. the wub "?!" 14:10, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Informe sobre la censura existente en la Wikipedia hispana[edit]

Una de las principios más importantes de la Wikipedia es que no se puede borrar información útil. Desgraciadamente, en la versión hispana, se da una tendencia a borrar información con la excusa de la neutralidad. Sobre la excusa de falta de neutralidad, la propia Wikipedia:Punto de vista neutral/Tutorial es bien clara: "Con frecuencia un autor presenta un PV porque es el único que conoce bien. La solución es añadir al artículo, y no borrar de él".

No sólo se borran párrafos o frases, sino también artículos enteros. En estos casos, además de la ausencia de "su" neutralidad, pueden usar la excusa de la brevedad. Ésta ha servido para borrar ciertos artículos de pocas líneas, mientras otros se dejan, con el cartel de esbozo. Es por tanto un criterio arbitrario. También parece ser un invento de estos "borradores" (editores o censores), ya que parece que no se recoge en las bases de wikipedia. Finalmente, es un criterio absurdo: la wikipedia es un trabajo en proceso, como toda la búsqueda humana del conocimiento. Si empezamos a borrar artículos imcompletos, nos quedamos sin ninguno. Si está incompleto, se amplia, no se borra.

Se deduce de todo esto, que las verdaderas razones para borrar algunos datos y artículos es la presencia de un punto de vista no neutral en los que borran. Pueden, por ejemplo, borrar información válida que no coincida con la visión izquierdista de la realidad. Otros se borran porque no son alta cultura (pero esta es otra historia).

Todo esto resulta en el pensamiento único, en un monopolio ideológico. Nada que ver con la Wikipedia en inglés, donde se puede criticar a cualquiera. Aquí sólo se puede criticar a Aznar (ese pasado facha, como se resalta en su artículo), pero no a Zapatero. Pinochet es un dictador, pero Castro no. Cuba es un paraíso donde no hay presos políticos ni se persigue la homosexualidad. Estos administradores hispanos se han inventado "su" propia neutralidad diferente a la Wikipedia. Como en "el Señor de la Moscas" han inventado sus propios dioses y cazan al disidente.

A la hora de borrar información, los censores no usan la página de discusión, sino que simplemente hacen como César: "Vine, vi y vencí". Si el que había escrito la información se rebela y la vuelve a añadir (generalmente un recién llegado a la wikipedia), puede entablarse un rifirafe de añadir/borrar/añadir, etc. que puede durar hasta días y en el que el recién llegado sale obligatoriamente perdiendo, ya que no cuenta con las prebendas de los habituales, como proteger la página.

A la hora de borrar artículos, suelen usar diferentes medios:

  • Autoritaria: La borran y punto.
  • Acuerdos entre varios administradores realizados en páginas personales o el café de Wikipedia. En ocasiones, pueden borrar hasta 20 artículos de un plumazo, sin dejar opinar siquiera al censurado, sin derecho a réplica.
  • Votaciones: Se organizan votaciones que se colocan sobre el artículo y en las que ellos mismos votan. El número de éstas es ingente.

Hay toda una población flotante de "colaboradores de wikipedia" que no crean, amplian ni mejoran artículos sino que que se dedican exclusivamente a instigar y a votar la eliminación de los artículos que no les gusten (manteniendo así la "pureza" de wikipedia). Existen, claro, administradores ecuánimes como Comae que intentan salvar la información aportada por estos recién llegados (y pronto idos, claro). En esta guerra civil, la facción dominante crea una Wikipedia a su medida, impidiendo el pluralismo. Su censura y persecución de las voces disidentes (no llevan un minuto trabajando en un nuevo artículo cuando ya pretenden borrarselo) conduce a la reducción del número de artículos y al empobrecimiento de los existentes en Wikipedia.

Es habitual, además, que estos administradores (o habituales) lleguen a insultar al ajeno o recién llegado. En marzo, estaba leyendo un artículo de Juan Avilés en la revista "Política exterior", nª99 (mayo-junio de 2004), pp. 31-39 y se me ocurrió trasladar algunos datos, como los del sumario del juez Baltasar Garzón, algo del de Casablanca, etc, para lo cree artículos sobre los acusados en el 11-M. Pensé que era una forma correcta de organizar esa información. ¡Craso error! Además de borrarlos, la administradora Lourdes Cardenal (Wikipedia:Café/Marzo de 2005)escribió que, con esos artículillos, "Se está dando cancha en la enciclopedia a terroristas". Y el más moderado Comae le replicaba "no creo tampoco que nadie lo considere como un apoyo a dicho personaje, ni nada por el estilo". Lourdes insistía: "hay que actuar y rápido porque luego pasa lo que pasa con los extremistas". Algunos días antes, en la Discusión:Euskera, había manifestado mi preferencia por el término vascuence en lugar de euskera, ante lo cual Ecemaml afirmó que si soy "el que fija la libertad" e insinúa que veo una "oscura conspiración judeo-masónica", atribuyendo a mi persona uno de los tópicos del franquismo. Todo esto en boca de quienes ejercitan una censura ideológica en la wikipedia hispana. Y los demás administradores callan y miran.

Por contra, en Wikipedia:Punto de vista neutral/Tutorial se dice bien claro: "Considera la parcialidad un problema con el artículo, no con la gente que lo escribió. Adoptando la táctica contraria sólo consigue que la gente se obstine y que parezcas el malo. Aprende, no ataques".

En Wikipedia:Café/Abril de 2005 02, encontramos la siguiente conversación donde algunos de estos "habituales" se jactan de haber conseguido expulsar a las voces disidentes:

La verdad es que llega un punto en el que con tipos como Antoine o este visitante no queda sino descojonarse. Habráse visto tal desfachatez... --Ecemaml (discusión) 01:11 16 abr, 2005 (CEST)
A todo esto ¿Que fue de Antoine? No es que lo extrañe pero ... bueh! me dio un poco de curiosidad pe'. --Chalo 01:56 16 abr, 2005 (CEST)
Dejó de editar desde el 15 de marzo aproximadamente. Revisa sus contribuciones en su página personal y verás que no ha estado activo.:::::::-- Pablo Jiménez 02:21 16 abr, 2005 (CEST)
En buena hora que esté lejos de acá... nos evita mas de un dolor de cabeza. Un abrazo. --Ari 05:34 16 abr, 2005 (CEST)

Hay muchos más ejemplos de esta actitud mafiosa. Así, cuando un wikipedista recién llegado se queja en la [de discusión] de que se le proteja un artículo y no le dejen modificar algo que considera erróneo, los administradores borran hasta su observaciones en la página de discusión. Obsérvese:

(Wikipedia no es un foro) como bien se indica en Wikipedia:Lo que Wikipedia no es. Así que os ruego que para hablar de todo lo que no esté directamente relacionado con el artículo, uséis otros medios de discusión. Un saludo. --Dodo 12:45 17 abr, 2005 (CEST)
Ok Dodo. Ciertamente me he dejado llevar por este Troll. Pero es que en según que cosas no soporto que se digan sandeces. Este chaval es el que modificaba la historia de España a su gusto y criterio muy particular... En fin por lo que a mi respecta me retiro de esta estúpida discusión porque donde no hay no se puede sacar. Saludos. Xenoforme
Qué os parece que puesto que "Wikipedia no es un foro", blanqueemos la páginas (siempre queda en el historial) y la dejemos dispuesta para intervenciones que no sean de tipo personal? Lourdes, mensajes aquí 14:27 17 abr, 2005 (CEST)
A favor, y dado que no me considero inocente de cosas parecidas a esta, admitiría que se hiciera lo mismo en aquellas páginas de discusión que, equivocadamente, he contribuido a "aforar" (ya lo he visto yo, no os molestéis: el DRAE no ampara este uso de aforar, palabra que va más de fuero que de huevo... ¡perdón!, que de foro) --Vivero 15:29 17 abr, 2005 (CEST)
Hala, borradas las últimas discusiones de carácter "personal". Si alguien quiere podar más, adelante. --Dodo 18:32 17 abr, 2005 (CEST)

Llegó un momento en que se me ocurrió solicitar a estos administradores que antes de borrarme los artículos que empezaba (porque ya lo hacían sin leerlos, en una auténtica persecución ad hominem), me los copiarán en mi página personal. Era una forma de contener sus ansías censoras de alguna forma. Sus respuestas fueron de este calibre:

¿Por qué no lo haces tú ahora? lo copias y lo pones en tu página. Esa tarea no es grata para los demás, y sabiendo que no nos gustan las páginas que haces, menos aun. Te lo recomiendo. Lourdes, mensajes aquí 00:12 16 abr, 2005 (CEST)
Visitante, con cada una de tus intervenciones demuestras que ni conoces wikipedia ni la quieres conocer (lo cual por otra parte a mí me trae sin cuidado; es tu problema). Ni he borrado nunca ningún artículo tuyo (no por falta de ganas) ni tengo potestad para hacerlo, por lo que no sé si entender como ignoracia o mala fe tu comentario. Por otra parte, ni soy tu secretario ni hemos comido juntos ningún día, así que si quieres salvar tu material, mejor será que tú te tomes la molestia. --Ecemaml (discusión) 00:20 16 abr, 2005 (CEST)

Como se puede observar, ninguno de estos habituales recuerda la frase de Voltaire: "Posiblemente no esté de acuerdo con lo que tú digas, pero defenderé hasta la muerte tu derecho a decirlo".

Lo peor es que algunos de estos censores han traducido las reglas y hasta las recomiendan. Desgraciadamente, no basta con recordarselas:

  • En Wikipedia:Punto de vista neutral/Tutorial se dice bien claro: "Algunos wikipedistas, en el nombre del PVN, intentan evitar hacer cualesquiera afirmaciones que otra gente pudiera encontrar ofensiva o cuestionable, incluso si son objetivamente ciertas. Este no es el propósito del PVN. Muchos grupos preferirían que ciertos hechos fueran expuestos eufemísticamente, o sólo en su propia terminología, o suprimidos por completo. Tales deseos no deben ser satisfechos.
  • En Wikipedia:Punto de vista neutral, se dice bien claro: "La neutralidad no es ocultar puntos de vista sino mostrar la diversidad para que cada persona adopte la opinión de su preferencia" o "el punto de vista neutral exige que, si hay varios puntos de vista, se expongan todos ellos dentro de lo posible".

Estos administradores (o censores, que sería su nombre correcto), se engañan a sí mismos y a los demás. Han convertido La Enciclopedia Libre en su dictadura.

Ahora me llevan a mi (poema de Bertold Bretch)

Primero se llevaron a los comunistas
pero a mi no me importó
porque yo no era.
En seguida se llevaron a unos obreros
pero a mi no me importó
porque yo tampoco era.
Después detuvieron a los sindicalistas
pero a mi no me importó
porque yo no soy sindicalista.
Luego apresaron a unos curas
pero como yo no soy religioso
tampoco me importó.
Ahora me llevan a mi
pero ya es tarde.

Cultura popular contra alta cultura

No creo que haya que reducir los contenidos de la enciclopedia a lo habitualmente considerado culto, o lo que sea bueno, bonito y caro. Me temo que las pulgas de la cama (los temas de interés restringido) no son los bichos de los Pokemon o las alineaciones de futbolistas, sino las obras de cualquier poeta moderno. Por otro lado, redactar un artículo sobre las aventuras de Pikachu no significa que se le considere superior a la Odisea de Homero). Si es real, y de interés colectivo, puede hacerse un artículo sobre él. La votación para eliminar ese artículo no procede.

La neutralidad no es complicidad

La verdadera neutralidad (tal y como la concibo hoy y aquí) debe cargar contra todos, contra cartagineses y romanos. La verdadera neutralidad debe denunciar, analizar y criticar a quienes están en el poder. Lo otro es complicidad. "El precio de la libertad es la eterna viligancia". Dejaré que sea Karlheinz Deschner en el prólogo a "Historia criminal de cristianismo", traducido por J. A. Bravo, quien hable:

"Pero ¿qué diré de mi propia objetividad? ¿Acaso no soy parcial también? ¿No hablo desde mis propios prejuicios?

¡Naturalmente! Como cualquier hijo de vecino. Porque todos somos subjetivos, todos estamos condicionados por múltiples influencias, individuales y sociales, por nuestro origen, nuestra educación, nuestro ambiente social, nuestra época, las experiencias de nuestra vida, los intereses que nos llevan a explorar estas o aquellas áreas del conocimiento, por nuestra religión o irreligión; en fin, por una multiciplidad de influjos variados y toda una red de vínculos determinantes. [...]

Admitámoslo: todos somos "parciales", y el que pretenda negarlo, miente. No es nuestra parcialidad lo que importa, sino el confesarla, sin fingir "objetividades" imposibles ni elevar pretensiones de "verdades eternas". Lo que importa es la cantidad y calidad de las pruebas que aduzcamos para documentar nuestra "parcialidad", si las fuentes utilizadas son relevantes, si el instrumental metodológico, el nivel de argumentación y la capacidad crítica son adecuados. Lo decisivo, en fin, es la superioridad palmaria de una "parcialidad" sobre otra. [...]

Tengo para mí que la historia [...] no puede cultivarse "sine ira et studio". Sería contrario a mi sentido de equidad, a mi compasión para con los hombres. El que no tiene por enemigos a muchos, es enemigo de toda la humanidad. Y quien pretenda contemplar la historia sin ira ni afectacción, ¿no se parece al que presencia un gran incendio y ve cómo se asfixian y abrasan las víctimas sin hacer nada por salvarlas, limitándose a tomar nota de todo? El historiador que se aferra a los criterios de la ciencia "pura" es forzosamente insincero. O quiere engañar a los demás, o se engaña a sí mismo. Diría más, es un delincuente, porque no puede haber delito peor que la indiferencia. Ser indiferente es facilitar el homicidio permanente.

Solicito (por enésima vez) que no se borre algo porque simplemente no guste o atente la sensibilidad propia. Por mi parte, puedes decir que Augusto, Napoléon, Castro o Pinochet son dictadores. Y que tanto la izquierda como la derecha fueron responsables de la Guerra Civil. Hugh Thomas no te lo borrará :p.

Borrando que es gerundio Me parece que está en contra del espiritu de wikipedia borrar información (y ni siquiera opinión, sino simples nombres) y hacerlo sin usar antes la página de discusión). Además, es una falta de respeto a los demás. Concibo que la wikipedia es un trabajo en proceso, como toda la búsqueda humana del conocimiento. Si empezamos a borrar artículos imcompletos, nos quedamos sin ninguno. Si está incompleto, se amplia, no se borra.

Jews in the Philippines[edit]

Hi Jondel. I just read the message you left on my talk page. Yes, there was a mention of Jews in the Philippines in the Demographics of the Philippines article, but the entry was removed - along with other entries that cluttered the article with "statistics" of no demographic importance for a country with a population of 88 million people. But anyway, let's see if I can help.

The population of Jews in the Philippines today is at the very most 500 people. Estimates range between 100 and 500 people (0.000001% and 0.000005%). Manila boasts the largest Jewish community, though even here it consists of around 40 families, give or take a few. There are of course other Jews elsewhere in the country, but these are obviously fewer and almost all transients (diplomats or business envoys).

It is worth mentioning, however, that at their height, Jews living in the Philippines at one stage numbered around 10,000. The period in which most of these Jews arrived was under president Manuel L. Quezon, when he allowed them entry as persecution in Europe increased - which as we know, eventually lead to the Jewish Holocaust. Most of these, however, were also merely in transit. A good book on this specific topic is "Escape to Manila: From Nazi Tyranny to Japanese Terror". It narrates the story of the newly arrived Jews in the Philippines; from their day of their arrival, their daily life in Manila, to their departure to other destinations a decade later.

As you probably gather so far, almost the entire population of Jews in the Philippines were of Northern and Eastern European origin (Ashkenazim). Whatever number of Sephardim (Spanish Jews) there presently is in the Philippines is as a result of post-19th century arrivals from Morocco or Turkey. When the Sephardim fled from Spain in 1492 during the Inquisition, most fled to the areas that would become modern-day Morocco and Turkey, Portugal (that is, until the inquisition followed them there), the Netherlands and throughout the Americas.

Contrary to speculation, there is no historical evidence whatsoever to suggest any Sephardi made his/her/their way directly from Spain - or any of those who had fled to Hispanic America, or for this argument, specifically Mexico - to the Philippines on the Galleons during the Spanish Inquisition. In fact, the hypothesis is almost fictional. For those who had made it to any of the Spanish colonies in the Americas - anywhere from the modern Southwestern United States all the way down to Patagonia - once the inquisition reached them there (ie. those who weren't already tried and burnt at the stake by the franchise offices of the Inquisition in Spain's American colonies) most simply merged into their surrounding populations and eventually lost all connection with Judaism. The pockets of crypto-Jews around Latin America are the exception. In any case, they did not then migrate to the Philippines. Any migration that took place was from there to the Dutch posetions of Curaçao, Aruba, and New Amsterdam (modern-day New York, where they built the United States's first synagogue, and were that country's first Jews; preceeding the Ashkenazim.)

Getting back on track... The one and only synagogue in the country - the second ever built in the Philippines - is Manila's Beth Yaakov Synagogue. It was built in the 1980's. The only other synagogue which existed prior to the erection of Beth Yakoov was Temple Emil (built in the 1920's). Unfortunately, Temple Emil was destroyed by the Japanese during WWII.

Anyway, that’s all I know of the top of my head. I hope I was of some help. Al-Andalus 07:41, 30 October 2005 (UTC).

Thanks a lot!This is a lot of help.I've been searching the web to no avail.This is enough for an article. By the way, coincidentally, my brothers name is Emil. Thanks again.--Jondel 08:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
I feel there were many conversos and marranos but intermingled with other kastilas specially if they have names like Blanco, Rosa, names that comes from words and not traditional Spanish names.
Apart from those 10 marranos that accompanied and were then tried by the Spaniards, I heavily doubt any other marranos numbering more than another 10 would have made their way there. The Philippines wasn't a destination of choice, not even for Spaniards - those that were sent, almost reluctantly, to administer the islands were mostly Mexicans. Remember that the Philippines was colonised over half a century after the Sephardim were being expelled from the Iberian Peninsula. Colombus first set sail for the Americas on the same day of expulsion of the Jews of Spain. In the extra seventy years that it took to establish the first Spanish settlement in the Philippines, most Sephardim had already established themselves permanently in other areas (Ottoman Empire, Morocco, Netherlands, Balkans, Americas) and were no longer roaming.
As for associating surnames such as "Blanco" or "Rosa" with possibly indicating Sephardi ancestry, this is a highly flawed avenue to pursue for several reasons. I will enumerate only a few.
No. 1. Blanco and Rosa are indeed real surnames throughout the Hispanic world, and not that uncommon.
  • The Blanco family can trace their ancestors back to the ancient territories of Spain between the 11th and 12th centuries. The Blanco family traces their ancestral roots back to Spanish origin, and first appeared in ancient medieval records in Granada.
  • The Rosa family can trace their ancestors back to the ancient territories of Spain between the 11th and 12th centuries. The Rosa family traces their ancestral roots back to Spanish origin, and first appeared in ancient medieval records in Old Castile.
No. 2. Even if they were not common surnames among Hispanic people, and they did indicated a possible Sephardi descent, the same method of reasoning could not be applied to the Philippines. In fact, any form of genealogical or heraldic research for Filipinos of surnames that appear Spanish must always take on a different approach of investigation from that done in the Hispanic world. It is only close to 1 million Filipinos today that are actually of partial Spanish ancestry (the Spanish-mestizos), everyone else of the almost 90 million Filipinos does not have a Spanish ancestor, and the likelyhood of a Spanish Jewish one at that is ruled out completely.
No. 3. We must remember the Catálogo Alfabético de Apellidos. Of all Filipinos that have a Spanish or Spanish-sounding surname, every one of them (except the Spanish-mestizos) had their surnames provided to them (if they hadn't already adopted one themselves, which wasn't prohibited for Filipinos to posses). Surnames that originate from Spanish words which are not actually surnames in the Hispanic world are some of the most common in the Philippines. In fact, you also have Hispanicised Chinese words as surnames in the Philippines (Hizón), words depicting flora and fauna, etc...
No. 4. What history itself tells us. History shows us that the Philippines were not a destination of choice for Jews. There was nothing there that would attract the Sephardim - an entrepreneurial people - to the Philippines during the Spanish era; unlike the opportunities offered by the Netherlands, Morocco, Ottoman Empire, and the Balkans, or the gold fever of the New World. The first permanent settlement of Jews in the Philippines was made by three Ashkenazi brothers, in 1890, towards the end of colonial rule. By the end of Spanish rule there numbered 50 Jews. It must be clarified, these latter type of Jews were not bound to living in secrecy, and were able to live freely as Jews in a community setting. They were thus quite endogamous. Even though at 50 individuals, these latter Jews in the Philippines numbered more than any group of Sephardim ever present on the archipelago. The likelihood of a Filipino having one of those latter Ashkenazi Jews as an ancestor is even worse than the possibility of a Filipino being having a Sephardi as an ancestor; which itself was ruled out completely.
(Before you cite Rob Schneider, both his parents were Americans. His father was an Ashkenazi American Jew and his mother a Filipino American of Amerasian descent, so Rob is not covered by the Jews in the Philippines because his Jewish father was never one of the Jews in the Philippines, but instead was an American Jew). Al-Andalus 04:08, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Juan Luna[edit]

hey, good idea bout Juan Luna and Spolarium. Do you think the painting itself could be an article on its own, like Mona Lisa? :) --Noypi380 10:17, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

There is Spolarium na pala :) --Noypi380 10:19, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
The point is to make it good enough to qualify as a featured article.

Little help[edit]

I noticed on WP:RD/L that you said you lived in Tokyo. Could you check out my request at WP:RDA#Non-Compliant Japanese Mirror? Thanks. Superm401 | Talk 04:32, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

User:I Hate My Ex![edit]

Can anything be done about this?

No! She/(He) may be deleted after some time if no substantial contributions are forthcoming. Also no vulgar/profanity statements were made. I will check quidelines on user names.--Jondel 01:37, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm acting on the user name right now, search the appropriate admins board and anything on names that may be seen as potentially offensive.--Jondel 01:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)