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Autostick

The Saxomat and Automatic Stickshift (aka Autostick) question doesn't give an "its one or the other answer". Both were offered variously on the Beetle.

Saxomat is a term used to describe a mechanical semi-automatic transmission VW marketed (almost exclusively in Europe) in the early sixties. It is a precursor to the Automatic Stick Shift (AutoStick) transmission which made its debut in 1967/8.

A Saxomat is a regular 4 speed manual transaxle coupled to a electromagnetic clutch with a centrifical clutch used for idle. The Automatic stick shift (Autostick) is a 3 speed manual coupled to an electromatic clutch AND torque converter.

Perhaps we could expand the article, and edit the Autostick, Semi-automatic transmission and Saxomat articles for congruancy?

Automatic Stickshift emblem

Saxomat brochure

842U (talk) 21:06, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, and these two semi-automatics deserve separate infobox entries as well. Best,  Mr.choppers | ✎  07:07, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll give it a shot; keep an eye on what I do and see if you think it works.842U (talk) 11:27, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I added the two infobox entries and added a transmission paragraph under the "Design Overview" section. Oddly, I'd say the article could use expansion of this section; there really isn't much information in the article about the technical design.842U (talk) 12:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks great. I'll keep my eyes peeled for more info on when the Saxomat was available. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:08, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Cheers! Could you take a look at a recent discussion I've opened over at Talk:AMC Gremlin. It seems like the attribution of styling history is pretty muddled and it looks like reliable sources for Bob Nixon attribution are very hard to come by.842U (talk) 15:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Warrah

The Guarà is not the Warrah but the Maned wolf a canid native to South America. I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion as it isn't in the article you cited. Wee Curry Monster talk 08:11, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hm, I read it carefully and in cross-referencing with the Spanish Wikipedia it seemed that "Guará" mainly referred to the Warrah (clearly shared etymology, very similar pronunciation) - but both animals seem to be referred to as "guarás" by various groups in Latin America. I guess the best thing would be to find a clearer source, as Giordanelli simply states:

The name Guara comes from a large South American wild dog.

This could be either animal. Again, I am sure that you are right, it just seemed a reasonable match to the Spanish entry for guará. Best, hope to reach some clarity for this,  Mr.choppers | ✎  04:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

The Warrah is extinct, was native to the Falkland Islands and has no living relative on the mainland. I very much doubt he was referring to an extinct animal. I would hope you are more careful in your research as linking two disparate pieces of information is clearly WP:OR on your part. Wee Curry Monster talk 07:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, De Tomaso was Argentinian born, so mentioning something unique to the Falklands Islands would make a lot of sense, with most Argentinians I know being fiercely proud of anything to do with the Malvinas. Being extinct doesn't hinder being used. Again, I am not saying I'm necessarily right (and not OR, I was just trying to find which wild dog it was and searching es.wp for "guará" took me to Dusicyon australis - I wasn't yet aware that there were options), but it is not clear anywhere which wild dog it is.  Mr.choppers | ✎  17:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Where's your creative thinking gone today?

Mr.choppers, your usually wonderful problem solving skills must be taking a break today. Here you stated, "I foresee various editors then applying bus or auto-specific fields in the wrong places". If we implement a compulsory parameter called "type" that specifies the vehicle as an "automobile", "bus", "truck", "motorcycle", etc; we can restrict certain parameters to certain vehicles types.This can also be used to settle terminology differences between vehicle types, "weight" for automobiles would output as "Kerb wight" as it does currently. "Weight" when the "motorcycle" vehicle type is specified could yield "wet weight" or "dry weight", etc. Hope this changes your mind! OSX (talk • contributions) 06:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Such a parameter would make it better, but I was not aware that we were discussing merging templates for all road vehicles. Simply merging bus and automobile doesn't seem very useful to me.  Mr.choppers | ✎  06:08, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Snorkelling

I see I misunderstood the intent. The caption says "tall scoop", & in comparison to the drag racer's snorkel, it ain't tall. As an Aston scoop, it might be. How about "with tallest Aston scoop"? Does Aston use an option code for this combination? That would be better still. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 11:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I tried to make it clear in the text, but I guess I didn't: The scoop started out low (Series 1 and 2), then grew quite tall for the Series 3 cars (to accommodate big ole carbs) and then flattened out considerably for later cars. I have updated the caption accordingly, tell me how you like it. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  17:44, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

ferrari daytona white

hi i saw a photo of a white ferrari daytona attributed to yourself,

do you have any further photos of the car and do you know any further information about the car please as i think it may be the car that i have recently bought.

my car was in the US and was brougth back recently and is being restored by Barkaways in the uk see the link http://www.barkaways.com/news/80

regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.72.142 (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Um, let me see. Also I removed your info; this is a public page and you probably don't want it posted here. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  23:09, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I believe you are referring to this picture, in which case I have to disappoint you. That car is LHD, in beige, with hideously overchromed wheels rather than RHD, white, with classy wheels, and belongs to Melvyn and Joy Weiss of New Jersey. Cheers, good luck with the restoration.  Mr.choppers | ✎  23:17, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Ponied cars

I wouldn't be surprised, either. :) I also have a hunch it depends on which source you read, & on the fact the article I'm citing is a very brief capsule look at the whole marque. BTW, if you know anything about Sammy Davis (or have sources that do ;p ), could you have a look? I've gotten a complaint of introduced error, after relying on Wise, & IDK any more than is in that article. FYI, I'm presently going through WoA V5 alphabetically, so a few more older makes will be getting attention in the next month or so. :) TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 01:17, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool. I'm afraid I have nothing on Sammy Davis. I do often use your selfsame approach of going through a source and using all its contents where valid - it can lead to great results and I am never happier than when I can delete a {{cn}} tag. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:14, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

SACRILEGE. - in loving memory of JACK.

Sacrilege is the violation or injurious treatment of a sacred object.

You are most welcome to dump a quality motor vehicle like the 626 in with some rubbish car like the capella if you like. Mazda didn't always get it right.

But it will have to be over my DEAD Body. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.62.227.59 (talk) 00:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your clearly heavily researched and well-thought through input, oh koo-koo krazy one.  Mr.choppers | ✎  18:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Honda D16

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Lada

Hi, I think all Lada articles would need major overhaul, including the naming changes, Im not sure what names we should use, maybe the original VAZ-XXX codes?? This could be talked in wp:cars also -->Typ932 ^T·C 11:52, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

correcting the Toyota 4runner page

Thanks Mr.choppers for reverting the page to its original state. No idea what went wrong. yesilikecars (talk) 03:19, 08 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:27, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Re:Anchors

Hi. To me they link exactly the same, and that I think is because I'm browsing with Firefox. I tried the links in Google Chrome and indeed the anchor doesn't link the same as the table of contents. Apparently that is because the anchor template needs to be placed right before the section title, but after the first equal signs, the same as it is described in the template documentation. I tried it in Chrome and it seems that it links correctly this way, at the same level as from the table of contents, with the section title visible. Thanks for asking my opinion before deciding to redo the edit. Hopefully this way we can solve the issue in a pleasing way for everyone. Cheers, BaboneCar (talk) 11:51, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

The discussion atTemplate talk:Anchor#moving anchors inside headings may illuminate some points for you. To my knowledge, putting the anchor just above the section title worked in all cases but I haven't tried Chrome for a while (will need to reinstall it again). Downside of putting the anchor above the section title is that it may get separated from the section during major reorganisations. Putting the anchor inside the section title solves that but makes the edit summaries butt ugly and long. In the discussion we never did find an answer that made every one happy - and I spent quite a bit of time trying out many different solutions at {{Headinganchor}} and User:Stepho-wrs/test. Feel free to experiment on either of these.  Stepho  talk  23:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

d15b8 additions removal?

hey, I'm a proud owner of a Honda with the d15b8 engine. I added true & useful information to the sparsely detailed D15B8 section. Could you please undo your deletions? thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.61.234 (talk) 14:02, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

I could, but you really need to provide sources for your additions. Especially when you are editing from an anonymous (IP address) it can be hard to trust your additions without a citation of some sort. Where did you get the info? Is it possible to link to somewhere which could corraborate? Thanks,  Mr.choppers | ✎  14:28, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

d15b8 - just you leave it alone

"could" ?? You snobinavian... Then do it! An intelligent person (me) took time to improve the d15 page, and you removed it?? Look how ridiculous it appears: a Scandinavian (who should be editing Volvo & Saab info) is removing information from the d15b8 section, when he knows little or nothing about that engine, then questions an owner of more than one d15b8 engine (block & heads), and then raises an issue about an "unknown IP address" contributor. Ok...? Listen there Dungen, you may edit all the Honda stuff you want - just leave the D15B8 alone. I don't have a Wiki account because I don't see the sense in spending all that time for free (some of us aren't receiving money from their Nordic governments). I've been adding to Wiki for years. Everyone remember my IP, and know that when I make an edition, it's correct. Period. So um...could you be a sweetie and undelete my work? Pretty please with surstromming on top? Tack. PS, as time progresses, I'll be making more d15b8 improvements, so everyone try not to be upset when the list grows :/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.61.234 (talk) 14:50, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Please cite sources. Just owning a Honda won't suffice. See WP:BURDEN for more.  Mr.choppers | ✎  16:53, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to speak in Mr Choppers defence. Wikipedia policy is that anything that may be controversial or may be questioned needs a reliable source or reference. You may have good knowledge but if nobody can double check it then we have no way of knowing if you are telling the truth, making an honest error (typo on some numbers), repeating unsubstantiated urban myths or telling deliberate lies. So an external reference is required so that another editor can double check it. This is not an insult to you - it applies equally well to everything that Mr Choppers and myself and all other editors add.

Most of us give our time for free - to demand one of us to do something on your behalf is not right. Criticism based on his country is also not allowed. He has applied official Wikipedia policy correctly. You are free to restore the information with references or to make a request on the article talk page for help finding references (books, magazines, factory manuals).

Creating a wiki account is useful because it makes it easy to recognise you. Once you have built up a good reputation people will be more likely to trust you - although references are still required for anything which might be questioned. Unfortunately, anon IP address are often a source of absolute rubbish - not saying you are but the majority are. Most of us can't remember IP addresses, so we tend to treat a controversial edit from an IP address as untrustworthy. Creating a wiki account takes only a couple of minutes, is free and will help you to establish a good reputation.  Stepho  talk  23:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

what part of "leave d15b8 alone" do people not understand??

Great, now we have a kangaroo hopping around in business that is also not his. (before my tachometer redlines, i'll say that Mr. Men At Work in Australia, i understand you, but i don't have the time to deal with your well-worded comments. just know that you shouldn't have spoken up. this is not a "wiki policy" or theory or tight-assed protocol issue for me -> i'm only interested in the clarity of engine B8). Ok. Does anyone see how ridiculous this is? The d15b8, an engine that nobody really cared about - a USDM-ONLY engine from 20 years ago, which non-Americans COULD NOT HAVE - is all of the sudden attracting attention in 2012 from foreign nationals, which have no knowledge whatsoever about the D15B8! And what's worse, they are INTERVENING?? This is like me telling an Australian the way I think 'Vejemite' should be spelled, and then deleting it. Me telling a Swede that 'Surstroming' [citation needed] doesn't need two dots above the vowel, nor does it need two M's. Children, you CANNOT rightfully remove/edit unless you TRULY and GENUINELY know the additions are incorrect. In this case you do NOT. So leave it be. If you think the information MAY need correction, then wait. Wait for another d15b8 expert to edit it. Eventually it will come. Otherwise LEAVE IT ALONE. This is how Wiki works. It's not feasible to add "citation needed" to every damn sentence of data. You two dogmatic dorks really need to get girlfriends and spend some time with them. Tell them you love them. Buy them shoes. They like that attention. Get outside more. Give a street beggar a kroner. It's unthinkable that you are wasting everyone's time. Stop seeing yourself as the internet police. Stop seeing yourself as Wiki watchdogs. Get a life. As for my education, I don't claim to know about the D15B3, or the B4, or the B5. But I do know about the B8 (and a little about the z1, which I made additions to and were LEFT ALONE because most REAL PEOPLE people believed them to be correct). Now, can everyone (EVERYONE) who doesn't know about the Honda "D15B8" engine just p-i-s-s o-f-f!?? (and if you don't then I will be making plenty of insults based on your country, religion, status, sexual preference, your self-inflicted erectile dysfunction problems, and whatever info you're foolish enough to disclose to the public). Grrrrr, you guys [mostly Nose-to-the-clouds-choppers-citation-needed guy] really upset me. I don't mess with your additions; why mess with mine? I've never touched a Wiki entry unless I knew I was 100% correct. Just accept it and focus your attention on what you know best. At the very least, LEAVE D15B8 ALONE! Let ME worry about vandals to the B8 section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.61.234 (talk) 19:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

The burden of proof is upon you, that is how wikipedia works. I have already provided you with a link to an explanation of the policy. Go find a manual or something, and quote it. Until you have proof, out it stays.  Mr.choppers | ✎  20:33, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

On the one hand we have official Wikipedia policy of facts requiring verification (usually through published references) and on the other hand we have some guy saying his word is all we need. So Mr Anonymous IP, the question is 'How do we know your word is trustworthy?' This is why any non-trivial fact requires a means of verification. The same burden of proof also applies to every other editor - including Mr Choppers and myself. Throwing around insults only weakens your claim of being trustworthy. Instead you need to find a published source of information - magazine articles, repair manuals and parts catalogues are good.  Stepho  talk  22:10, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Vented disc brakes for Corolla E90

Did the Corolla E90 GT-i have vented discs on all four wheels? I would have expected vented discs at the front and solid discs at the rear?  Stepho  talk  05:42, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Not the GT-i but the CS - I don't know if this (liftback) version was unique to Scandinavia, but my source explicitly mentions its ventilated brakes all-around. If my edit implies universality, feel free to repair it as I don't believe it holds true for all GT-i's of any market. Mr.choppers | ✎  05:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

It seemed unusual to me but I know little about the specific E90 models, so I'll follow your reference.  Stepho  talk  21:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Swedish joke #1

Since self-righteous Mr.choppers knows nothing about the D15B8 which he relentlessly involves himself with, there will be a new Swedish joke each time the foreign national sabotages an entry made on a USDM engine which he is clueless.

A Swede was walking down the sidewalk carrying a dog in his arms.
A passerby stopped and asked, "Where did you get that monkey?"
The Swede replied, "It's not a monkey."
"Shut up Swede, I was talking to the dog."
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.61.234 (talk) 14:01, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Dear anon, what part of "find a source" do you not comprehend?  Mr.choppers | ✎  17:19, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	I can't believe you were as patient as you were for so long. That is very commendable. AutomaticStrikeout 17:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

	Thanks
	Thank you! Coasterghost (talk) 22:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Hurricane Sandy

The same information is there word-for-word. If you insist on it having its own section (which should be determined on the talk page first), at least remove the duplicate wording, don't just add it randomly in at the end of the article. Inks.LWC (talk) 22:19, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, well there is a discussion ongoing. And yes, I didn't write it so I wasn't aware that it was assembled from existing content.  Mr.choppers | ✎  22:20, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: DYK Naylor TF 1700

Requested change has been made. --Allen3 ^talk 09:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

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d15b8 - know anything about it?

Dear a-hole, why can't you just leave me -and my D15B8 engine edits- alone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.61.234 (talk) 23:27, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

You might want to read your talkpage. Toodles.  Mr.choppers | ✎  04:20, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Naylor TF 1700

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Trevi

Hi: thanks for making those revisions to the Trevi page, in particular for finding the Belgian reference. I note that the supercharger´s fuel economy was dire and quite out of line with Lancia´s claims. I have another reference arriving soon so I will add that. I think we can say we have Wikipedia´s best Trevi page. Who this helps precisely I am not sure but in a small way we´re making a small body of knowledge that bit more accessible.

Richard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casalingua (talk • contribs) 10:47, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The fact that the Trevi VX was rather senseless doesn't stop me from desperately wanting one, however. I got a pile of old Belgian magazines and am thoroughly enjoying reading through them. Up to 1991 by now.  Mr.choppers | ✎  19:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

WTF?

Someone's clearly angry that their political hero Romney didn't win! I got a few laughs, but WTF? OSX (talk • contributions) 13:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow! Sure is hard resisting the temptation to tease him a bit - that throbbing vein on his forehead might pop! And after all our prompting he still hasn't provided any references to verify his engine claims.  Stepho  talk  14:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

It's pretty remarkable that such a devotee of the D15B8 doesn't have a manual or something sitting in a drawer. I would even be willing to help with the formatting the thing for him, but he doesn't seem interested. I would taunt him, but it doesn't feel necessary as he seems to get himself all riled up without my help.  Mr.choppers | ✎  19:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

It's possible that this is someone editing spitefully without logging-in. Do you have any ideas who it might be if that is the case? If you wish to reply with an email, that's fine. AutomaticStrikeout 23:28, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know - I read your thoughts on that idea but can't say that anyone in particular comes to mind; it might just be that he moved and his ip changed accordingly.  Mr.choppers | ✎  07:41, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

In his '#d15b8 - just you leave it alone' rant he said that he doesn't have and doesn't want an account. To me it looks like he's a rude and stubborn 'my word is good enough' type of guy but I haven't seen him doing anything sneaky.  Stepho  talk  11:03, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Which rant ? I suppose you are probably right. Thanks, AutomaticStrikeout 15:47, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Automobiles Rally

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EDITING IMAGES

DEAR SIR,

HOW CAN I ADD IMAGE OF THE BACK VIEW OF THE NISSAN PATROL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zohaib4754 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I have responded on your talk page.  Mr.choppers | ✎  00:47, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

EHP

Sorry again for that... :( §FreeRangeFrog 19:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh, no worries at all. I hope I didn't come across as if I was upset. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  19:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Electric car picture

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He's back

Our little Opel friend is back - Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kalaua. --Biker Biker (talk) 23:30, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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Suzuki rollover video

A few years ago there was a discussion that went on and on about the Suzuki Samurai rollover videos that showed in their own words how C/R's engineers rigged the tests. Some didn't like that they were only available on MySpace (a social networking site). After waiting patiently, the videos finally reappeared, stitched together into one 15 minute video. They've always been in the public domain. The link is on the Talk Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Automobile_handling . I'm going to put it back into the article if there's no objections. Santamoly (talk) 07:39, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

None from me, I fully support it.  Mr.choppers | ✎  16:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

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My pleasure. You did an excellent job getting the article started. Also, I noticed you made the article in your sandbox so I have petitioned an administrator to split the edit history so all your old edits before November 25, 2012 are not included in the article history. Cheers, Mkdw^talk 08:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks like the DYK finally got accepted. Congrats. Mkdw^talk 08:09, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Yaaayyyyy! Thanks for the heads up.  Mr.choppers | ✎  08:43, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

yk110 stout

http://toyotamarket.ru/gr/681220/030/3/6452/1/63381E/ I hope this works but with a simple Google images the yk110 Toyota Stout can be found (in russian with full exploded diagrams) and as there are some on the facebook group and so it is sad that the 4y engine stout is not included on the wiki page.

I hope you can upgrade wiki and use such as citation and possibly mention that eventually in the south American market the stout was replaced with the stout II or known elsewhere as hilux post 8/1993 2/2000? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whysmee (talk • contribs) 03:48, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's pretty convincing. I won't add it myself but I also won't delete it again if you add it. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  06:40, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I ask of help as I have no idea of what I am doing, I do not even know how to ask stepho for help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whysmee (talk • contribs) 08:59, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll help you add it, but since Toyota themselves state that Stout production ended in 1989 it's a tough call to make.  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:55, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it can be a tough call to make when Toyota gives different years. However, I've found that when Toyota write about their own history they tend to make mistakes left right and centre. Or it gets biased towards the local market of the person doing the writing. It's understandable given that they're given a limited time to write these histories and that usually they haven't spent the last 15 years collecting info like we sad, sad, anoraks have. But the EPC parts catalogue (ie as copied at the Russian site) is just dry facts taken straight from their own production records. The occasional transcription error creeps in but generally their parts catalogues are the most trustworthy source. But beware that the EPC comes in 3 editions (Japan, N.America, the rest of the world) and that vehicles only show up in each edition if it is sold in that market. There is corroborating evidence from frame numbers recorded at http://jnc.farpost.com/data/framno/yk110.html that the YK110 was made up to at least Aug 1993 (it's possible that his source was from 1993 and that the vehicle continued on). It's possible that Stout production was moved from the plant in Japan to another country (which?) in 1988/1989 and that the 75th anniversary researcher only saw that the Japanese plant shut down Stout production and didn't notice that it started elsewhere. Toyota also has a frustrating way of doing their parts catalogues. They will have one catalogue that seems to cover every variation of a vehicle. Then I find another catalogue that covers a single, special variation (eg a sports coupe version) that doesn't even appear in the main catalogue at all. Since Toyota never have a single source that mentions all variations and we don't have a complete set of catalogues/manuals (and I suspect Toyota themselves don't have a complete set at a single location), then it is very hard to say that a variation and/or year doesn't exist - it may simply be in a catalogue that we don't have. Very frustrating :(  Stepho  talk  22:59, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Found another clue. At http://toyotamarket.ru/gr/681220 (general), http://toyotamarket.ru/eu/681220 (Europe), http://toyotamarket.ru/jp/681120 (Japan) - but nothing for USA - it shows that:

1. the RK110/111 finished in Sept 1986, (RK110 finished in Jan 1982 for the Japanese market but they had the RK111 to Mar 1986)
2. no Stouts were made for 18 months,
3. YK110 production started in April 1988,
4. most versions of the YK110 finished in Aug 1993 (agreeing with the frame number data)
5. only the YK110L-MRH (which was left hand drive) continue on to Feb 2000.  Stepho  talk  23:37, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

And meanwhile, all of these Russian parts catalogues omit the 20R engined version, which Toyota themselves refer to in their 75th anniversary page. Maybe that last YK110L-MRH was only in small numbers for CKD in some peculiar market (like Chile or the Middle East) - since the last generation Stout was somewhat of a "bitza", it couldn't have required much effort to keep it available. Anyhow, we are all very much on the verge of WP:OR if we include too much of this stuff in the article. I enjoy the research thoroughly, but with things so very very vague I have a hard time adjudicating just what should be included. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  00:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot. You can also use material from the book in any form (just asking to make a reference to it). I made a little correction in your text about Automeccanica in the Charade article, as Zebra's body was metal. Best Regards, Labros Skartsis (talk) 17:30, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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Re Lambretta SX 200

Dear Sir

Do you actually own a Lambretta or know anything about the history of Lambretta within the United Kingdom ? If you did, you would then realise that Supertune, was one of the best known names in '60s and 70's for performance tuning and conversion of Innocenti Lambretta Scooters. Supertune, produced a number of scooter to customer requirements, but only one works dealer special, the SX 200 Rallye SE, Registration No XLU 3 G is the only one of it's kind in the world and I own it !

So, study your Lambretta history, Thanks.

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/17358/lot/417/

Sincerely,

David — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuscar (talk • contribs) 19:04, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

A lovely scooter no doubt, but you still cannot include link to pages advertising Supertune products.  Mr.choppers | ✎  19:19, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Automotive industry in Thailand

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Sockpuppetry

I think there is some sockpuppetry / vote stuffing in Talk:Triumph TR7‎‎. What do you think? --Biker Biker (talk) 21:58, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Definitely vote stuffing (or meat puppetry or what it's called) - I don't think Graham is deliberately breaking the rules, I think he just believes that if all the other guys with TR7 Sprints vote with him then he'll get his way. Gentle explaining of how WP works is in order, blocks and bans are not good here IMHO. I'm writing on my iPhone from Istanbul right now (thank god for WiFi) so I can't be much help but I'll revisit next time I'm in a hotspot.  Mr.choppers | ✎  13:57, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm confused: If I am breaking any actual rules, then I don't know what they are. I may have overreacted to what I saw as peremptory action, and if I have overstepped a boundary in that, I will apologise. I'll also apologise if I overstep the mark in reacting to the pejoratives and incivility in the arguments so far.

It is true that I was, initially, concerned that a vote might be involved, and wanted to advertise this concern amonst those I know have an interest in the Sprint; not all of whom are current or former owners, BTW. However, having taken the trouble to read the procedures for merging, I now realize that a consensus is necessary before the merger. In which case, it is impossible to vote stuff. As to the accusation of sockpupetry, I'll call that what it is, defamation, and leave it at that. OK, I'll go a bit further and suggest it is a failure to assume good faith. However, I feel that legitimately proving that there is significant interest in a separate page is a valid action in that case: If it were just me against the rest, I might simply be ignored; I understand that consensus is not unanimity. But if, as I suspect, there's enough interest in the subject, certainly here in the UK, it won't be so easy to ignore that. And frankly, if resources are being marshalled, it feels as though this is happening on both sides. Now I freely admit, I'm not trying to achieve a consensus to merge the TR7 Sprint page into the TR7. I'd much rather obtain a consensus that the TR7 Sprint does deserve a page. However, if I must achieve this, in effect, by showing that no consensus to merge can be achieved, I will, and I don't think that is wrong. If it's against a rule then I think I object to the rule.

On the other hand, if one were to consider the TR7 Sprint page as it is – truly woeful – then it might be a legitimate call to merge. However, I've been endeavouring to correct this page for some months. I made this very clear, after SamBlob simply deleted the page without reference to procedure, and I put the address of the rewrite on the talk page. I had already done much to rewrite the TR7 page information on the TR7 Sprint (maybe it was my mistake to do that first), and I think it's about right in that regard: it has, I think, enough on the Sprint as a variant for those whose interest is the TR7. However, there is much that is out there that relates to the TR7 Sprint that is certainly too deep for the TR7 page, and my experiences are that there is some interest in collating this and rebutting the rhubarb. Hence, I think that the notability of the sprint is sufficient for such a page on Wikipedia. I also think that this page has a valuable purpose in informing those with a specific interest in the subject; hence, my attempts to prove their existence. That this information and interest exist is, I would say, evidenced by the fact that the pages devoted to the TR7 Sprint go well beyond the Triumph clubs. If this purpose is beyond Wikipedia then so be it, I suppose. But it will make me very, very sad if this is so. What I don't understand is what those who want rid of the page stand to gain out of this. I assume there is some personal advantage, tangible or otherwise, or the process wouldn't be as acrimonious as it is.

So, I will continue to do what I legitimately can to prevent this merge, and I will continue to work to bring the TR7 Sprint page up to a reasonable standard. I have, in the majority, already taken on board SamBlob's input to the article. So, if you are unable or unwilling to help in that, all I ask is that you let it stand until the rewrite is ready. Perhaps then we can all get on with something less fraught and a lot more interesting.

Regards Graham.Fountain | Talk 18:28, 24 February 2013 (UTC).

Yes Graham, having more content on the obscure (and interesting: I love the obscure) Sprint than for the regular TR7 goes against WP principles. Enlisting friends within your own community to inflate the seeming importance of the Sprint is against the WP principles. You will also notice that I had already commented at the TR7 talk page before biker biker mentioned the apparent problems here on my page. You then go on to accuse us of somehow standing to gain personal advantage from blocking what you see as your dues - which is too crazy to even offer a response to. My suggestion is to create your own Sprint page somewhere else on the World Wide Web, we will then be happy to quote you for the (complete) Sprint section at the TR7 entry. I would advise against more personal attacks and please stop proclaiming your readiness to fight for a standalone as it is becoming tiresome to read.  Mr.choppers | ✎  21:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: ID assistance

Hi. I don't know exactly what that car in the image could be, it is probably a custom modified car. Sorry for the little delay in replying. BaboneCar (talk) 16:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

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US one ton dually U haul

So recently I stumbled upon the hilux based dually, the early versions just look dangerous and was wondering when it came to the U haul items were they a factory toyota item or... as I have read about buying one new from the dealer cab chassis? On mobile phone/ cell and I don't understand that tidle thing... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whysmee (talk • contribs) 11:39, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I have no clue what you're talking about. The tilde looks like this: ~ and you simply write out four of them at the end of your comment and an automatic signature is produced - I am pretty sure it's been explained a few times already. On an iPhone the tilde appears in the symbols section.  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:59, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

sorry but this is not my domain and remembering the tidle thing, i know how to type. i am a toyota fan and my computer skills are very basic so http://www.google.com.au/imgres?um=1&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=665&tbm=isch&tbnid=5U123w3XkLYP8M:&imgrefurl=http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/build-yourself/256005-convert-toyota-pickup-dually-3.html&docid=oa5jg8snubKxuM&imgurl=http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/build-yourself/279411d1346808018-convert-toyota-pickup-dually-toyota.jpg&w=640&h=480&ei=8Cg5UeamMoTTkgX79YGwBQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:1,s:0,i:80&iact=rc&dur=13&page=1&tbnh=177&tbnw=215&start=0&ndsp=12&tx=89&ty=98 or with a basic google search in images toyota dually U haul (1 ton) and wikipedia confuses me, so sorry yet once again. If this version of the toyota "hilux" with dual rear wheels that also has the same rims single up front is actually built by toyota based off the dyna/toyoace 150 G15 platform, should it not be included in with the hilux as the US only RK41 in the stout. Whysmee (talk) 00:25, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm still not quite sure what you are asking me, or maybe you're just trying to tell me something? I don't know anything about the duallie 2WD Toyota truck sold to U-haul, but I will be happy to photograph one if I encounter one. To include it in an article we need a source, and I don't know whether it shared a chassis with the G15 Dyna. Again, a source would be needed.  Mr.choppers | ✎  06:55, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

The Hilux (and its derivatives) always had single wheels. The link you gave only mentions custom conversions done by owners. You need to go up to something like the T100 or Tundra (which are not Hilux derivatives) to get a factory dually.  Stepho  talk  07:27, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I think that Whysmee's link is talking about taking the 2WD chassis the U-Haul duallies (such as this one) used and converting it into a 4WD duallie. Nonetheless, I don't know whether those cars were factory or if someone converted them for U-Haul.  Mr.choppers | ✎  17:11, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I just checked in the factory USA/Canadian spec microfiche and it looks like I was wrong - the factory did make he U-Haul duallies and the microfiche even calls it the U-Haul model. Models are VZN85L (long wheelbase) and VZN95L (Super long). Specs are 5-speed manual (R series gearbox) or 4-speed column shift auto, Aug 1988 to Aug 1993, half ton carrying capacity, Standard grade (ie not Deluxe), regular cab, supplied as cab+chassis (ie without rear body), 3VZ-E EFI engine, special deep-dish steel wheels and of course dual rear tyres. The USA got all those. Canada had the super long with auto only built to the same specs and dates. I don't have the Dyna parts catalogues for those years, so I can't verify Whysmee's theory that it used G15 Dyna/Toyoace parts.  Stepho  talk  08:10, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

You are incredibly useful, Stepho. Thanks.  Mr.choppers | ✎  17:10, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Whysmee dug a little further back in time and found the RN55L and RN75L duallies from the previous generation. He's listed them at talk:Toyota Hilux#toyota u haul dually.  Stepho  talk  23:17, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

vandal

I sure hope that Filipino vandal gets a new hobby soon - he's giving the rest an undeserved bad name. Good work on cleaning up after him.  Stepho  talk 

Yeah, it's a fair chunk of work. It's gotten to the point now that I flinch whenever I see any edit even remotely connected to the Philippines - and there seems to be a certain amount of ip overlap, as people use internet cafés and maybe share servers, so I feel that a number of innocents may also be getting blocked. Thanks for the support!  Mr.choppers | ✎  07:30, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Has anything actually been done about this vandal? - Areaseven (talk) 01:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I've gotten a few of his aliases blocked, but there doesn't seem to much interest among the admins. See investigation here, with a looong archive.  Mr.choppers | ✎  06:07, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if this is relevant, but Jaja Dalera has at least three Facebook accounts (1, 2 and 3) and four Facebook fan pages (1, 2, 3 and 4). - Areaseven (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I think he simply loses his passwords or whatever and then just starts new aliases. He might even be unaware that he's getting blocked, he's simply used to things not working after a while. Well, now we know what he looks like and what is name is.  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I doubt that he loses his passwords. He's simply an attention whore who can't get a life out of being a mere bus driver. - Areaseven (talk) 16:28, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I've actually taken the time to talk to Toyota, Mitsubishi and Nissan salespeople promoting cars at malls here in Manila, and they have confirmed the fact that majority of the cars they sell are imported from Thailand, Indonesia and Japan, and not locally built. Will do further investigation at the local dealerships in the months to come. - Areaseven (talk) 07:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

It's nice to know the truth but beware of WP:original research. If the dealers tell you that a model was made in Thailand then you can delete where WP says it was made in the Philippines but you can't add that it was made in Thailand (because you have no reference that can be verified). You must also be careul of whether it applies to all models and years or if it applies only to certain models and certain years (fictitious example: maybe the 2002-2004 GT was made in Thailand and others were made in Philippines).  Stepho  talk  11:17, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Deleting incorrect Philippine info is the only objective in this research. Besides, I wouldn't add other countries to the articles because they're already listed on the info boxes. I also forgot to mention that I looked under the hoods of some cars to verify their origin. - Areaseven (talk) 12:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, no problem.  Stepho  talk  22:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Here's an interesting read on what's actually manufactured in the Philippines and why the country doesn't produce enough cars. Top Gear Philippines: Mitsubishi PH President Wants New Model, More Units Made in Cainta - Areaseven (talk) 15:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

In another article I also found out that Mika Häkkinen is Johnny Walker's "Responsible Drinking Ambassador"! And yes, the Thais did make sure to coordinate tariffs and parts manufacturer's needs to build local industry, to the point that Thai-made pickups are now exported all over the world.  Mr.choppers | ✎  14:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I really hate this guy. Strangely enough, many of his IP socks overlap another known sockpuppeteer named Bertrand101. Not sure if they are actually related. Areaseven (talk) 15:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Here's an unexpected clue:Jaja Delera (superjaja43/cazdainsane) - Areaseven (talk) 08:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Wow. Much too small for me to bop him on the head. Definitely seems like the same guy though. Now we just need to find his mother's contact info.  Mr.choppers | ✎  13:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

It gets more bizarre. - Areaseven (talk) 14:18, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

It seems there's another Jaja sockpuppet on the loose. Imnil A. Jolo just posted false information of the Volkswagen Type 2 being manufactured in Manila. Also, his past edits involve Cartoon Network (Philippines) and various radio station articles. Want to update the SPI page with this? - Areaseven (talk) 08:34, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

The Type 1 was definitely assembled in the Philippines (don't know about the Type 2), but I recognize the halting English of our friend.  Mr.choppers | ✎  12:21, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Another hilarious video about superjaja43 - Areaseven (talk) 13:26, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

It's been too quiet over the past week. Has Jaja finally quit? - Areaseven (talk) 08:54, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I find that hard to believe, but it would be convenient for that to coincide with mine taking time off to travel!  Mr.choppers | ✎  11:53, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, I spoke too soon. He struck again right when I started this conversation yesterday. - Areaseven (talk) 13:01, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Come over to my talk page, so we can continue this discussion with Thomas.W. - Areaseven (talk) 11:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Solana (automobile)

Left you a reply there. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:33, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

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Japanese language

I'm not sure if you actually, on the quiet, maybe understand a little Japanese. But if you do, I wonder if you might be able to contribute to a question that arose at the bottom of Talk:Mitsubishi i-MiEV, please. Regards Charles01 (talk) 17:36, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Say my name?

I know why the whitespace is there. I find it totally unnecessary. The generation headers explain the divisions, & the infoboxes are there. As it stands, there's a ton of whitespace on a page for (IMO) scant reason. I will, however, leave it--at least until it bugs me again. (Not likely to be real soon.) Gus Fring ^{hey, Elvis, it's for you} 15:16, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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Another vandal

Perhaps you can help me on this: Once every 2-3 weeks, the Classic Car Rescue article is vandalized by an anonymous user in Canada. Apparently, this user has a personal grudge on one of the show's presenters, often claiming that presenter is bankrupt. I've sent a page protection request, but it was denied because the vandalism wasn't frequent enough. Furthermore, I opened a sockpuppet investigation on the numerous IP addresses used by the vandal, but the case was thrown because I pointed out the physical address of the IP addresses (which is apparently a security violation). Maybe you can add the article to your Watchlist. - Areaseven (talk) 07:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Will do.  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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Innova to be replaced by new Toyota model (name unknown)

Sorry for writing about the new model of Toyota, but it is probably true, and yes it constitutes original research. Sorry again, but you can wait and watch -Polytope4d (talk) 08:59, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, we will all wait and watch until there is a reputable source for such information. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  17:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I am interested in Japanese cars, trucks and electronics.

How can I help to contribute? I have a substantial knowledge abou Japanese electronics (watches, calculators) and Japanese companies that few people know about. How can I help? Which "Task forces can I join?" -Polytope4d (talk) 09:02, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Article proposal

There's been something that's been bothering me for the past few years. Wiki has a List of James Bond vehicles article, even though vehicles have been at most secondary in the entire James Bond 007 franchise. Why not use the same concept and create an article for a list of The Fast and the Furious vehicles? After all, cars have always been the primary theme of that film franchise. - Areaseven (talk) 16:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that's a bad idea, but as I hate the movies don't expect me to contribute! Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  17:05, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Nash Healey photo

The photo you took is of a 1953 Nash Healey Le Mans Coupe, and not a 1954. The 1954 has a three piece rear window.

Bob 1953NH@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.136.140.29 (talk) 22:42, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on Nash Healeys, my info is based on the Bonhams auction catalogue regarding the car in question. Its chassis number is 3025, maybe that helps? Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  07:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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I've created a new article on the upcoming Mitsubishi Attrage. Since it is Mitsubishi and it's manufactured in Southeast Asia, don't be surprised if Jajadelera's IP aliases attack it in the weeks to come. - Areaseven (talk) 00:21, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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Plz reconsider the modification on BYD Auto content

Dear Mr.Choppers, Thank you for your kindly note. However, I believe that some information on patent and copyright should cite the most convincing evidence, like from the government or the company speakers or the annoucement from law department. So I think it is not proper to judge a company by some not fully confirmed remarks. Moreover, copyright issues are always ambiguous, it is hard to judge sometimes. Above is just for your reference and truly hope that you could reconsideration for that. Best regards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestday1088 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

There is no doubt that BYD has copied designs. Reuters and other sources are quite good enough.  Mr.choppers | ✎  06:09, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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Hallo

Dear Mr. Choppers please help us -> the Fire Brigade of BRUNECK in South Tyrol/Italy - to find FIAT CAMPAGNOLA all over the world for the first Campagnola-Meeting of South Tyrol on 16.08.2014. Thank you verry, verry much Martin Tinkhauser Fire Brigade of Bruneck - south Tyrol www.feuerwehr-bruneck.it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.41.104.15 (talk) 05:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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I just added a new reference showing that the current Nissan Tiida is released in Malaysia as the Nissan Almera. But now, I've got a splitting headache over which other countries now use the Almera name for the Tiida, after reading some recent edits on Nissan Sunny. Perhaps you can help me on this? - Areaseven (talk) 14:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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Singaporean vandal

Looks like we've got another automotive vandal to deal with. - Areaseven (talk) 13:03, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Toyota Crown question

I wonder if you could find a moment to let me know whether or not this is a Toyota Crown S80. As previously discussed, I am not as good as you are at differentiating between different generations of (some) Japanese cars. And if you will have the time, thank you im Voraus. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 19:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Definitely a Crown S80.  Stepho  talk  20:38, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Noted. Many thanks. Regards Charles01 (talk) 21:13, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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