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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Declined

 – Looks like I was too late, and it looked WAY out of my depth anyway.

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Feedback request: Wikipedia proposals request for comment

 Declined

 – Too late, and not something I want any part of anyway. I'd much prefer to stay out of wikipolitics insofar as it does not interrupt my own reclusive editing style.

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Feedback request: Wikipedia proposals request for comment

 Done

 – Replied there that this proposal doesn't really solve anything. Spammers are going to get what they want somehow. We just have to sift through the pages like we usually do.

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Speedy deletion nomination of From the Outside (disambiguation)

Resolved

 – Situation fixed by EurekaLott. Pro tip: (disambiguation) isn't always needed. There needs to be a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, in other words one that is much more widely associated with the namesake of the list than anything else on it. If there isn't one, chances are the apparent primary topic article's title will receive a disambiguator instead, and the title of the disambiguation page itself will lack (disambiguation).

Hello Zeke, the Mad Horrorist,

Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username اِفلاق and it's nice to meet you :-)

I wanted to let you know that I have tagged an article that you started, From the Outside (disambiguation) for deletion, because it is unnecessary per one of the criteria at WP:G14.

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_{دَستخَط،} اِفلاق ^{(کَتھ باتھ)} 07:22, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

WPDisambig

Many thanks for adding this for disambiguations created by you. Why not adding WPSongs for songs created by you? --Richhoncho (talk) 22:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Richhoncho: I'm not sure I understand. Could you please clarify? Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 23:29, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

When you create an article/direct for a song, why not tag as a wpsongs article. As I have done for the past few days i.e. Talk:Gold in the Air of Summer--Richhoncho (talk) 23:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I was not doing so because to my knowledge it was not necessary. I had seen many redirects that did not have talk pages at all unless they had history of their own (e.g. they were once articles in their own right before they were deemed not sufficiently notable and their content merged into a parent article, but by then behind-the-scenes discussions for the merged topic had taken place on its talk page). If it is necessary or recommended, I'm totally cool with it, and I can do so in future. Have you done this for all the song redirects I've created? If not, I can step in and take care of the rest. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 23:44, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Wouldn't guarantee all, but certainly most. I can get on with other things now, thanks. --Richhoncho (talk) 04:06, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

I've devised a method to take care of the rest. I must have been mistaken before; I was adding things like r from song and such, and I thought that was sufficient for categorizing redirects on the maintenance end of things, but it seems those templates and the WikiProject ones are both necessary because they both do that, but in different places. I'll keep it in mind from now on. Thanks for letting me know. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 05:53, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Declined

 – Not interested.

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Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment

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 – Not interested.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Done

 – Not really a high stakes discussion, but worth pointing out that sometimes we generally do specific things a certain way because it's easier, not because it's required. This does not require codification in the grand majority of cases.

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Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment

 Declined

 – OP blocked for edit-warring. Consensus so far is they were making a mountain out of a molehill; an RfC is not necessary here.

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Precious anniversary

Precious

Eight years!

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Feedback request: Wikipedia proposals request for comment

 Declined

 – Personally, I go out of my way to avoid the main page. I have no stake in what's presented there or how.

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Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment

 Done

 – Samples should only be given with context justifying their inclusion. We operate under much harsher rules than fair use by itself for a reason.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Done

 – The nickname in question is only jokingly suggested by one author to be suitable to the player in question. It is not in use and has not been picked up. We should not use it either.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Declined

 – No. Absolutely not. Please don't drag me into this.

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Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment

 Declined

 – Can't even bring myself to care.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Declined

 – Seems a bit too in depth for me to really get to the bottom of it and give a solid opinion. Just when I think one thing, I have a reason to think the opposite, and so on. Abstain.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Declined

 – Problem already resolved; well established consensus emerging; I looked over the changes and they seem good to me. Carry on.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Done

 – Support as stated. Reeks of WP:OR to the highest degree, as it is based entirely on inferences from the table of data already included in the article.

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Feedback request: Wikipedia proposals request for comment

 Declined

 – Not my area of expertise.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Done

 – Offered my opinion, but noted that this RfC is probably not the proper course of action here.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Done

 – I did not offer any actual input, but I'm noticing lately a deluge of RfCs that seem to be, at best, a premature escalation of an issue. This is one of those times. It's just a matter of sources conflicting with regard to data, and now work must be done to figure out what's what. That's not what RfCs are for. That's just collaborative editing and researching at its finest. I'm sure the system would be better off without these, shall we say, frivolous filings for RfCs. There are plenty of legitimate issues that need addressed with RfCs that could do without requests like these ones clogging the system up.

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Feedback request: Wikipedia proposals request for comment

 Declined

 – Better off not touching this one.

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Feedback request: Wikipedia technical issues and templates request for comment

 Declined

 – Eh, I'll go with the flow on this one. I have no preference for or against the proposal as of right now.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Declined

 – My experience is we normally do not do this per WP:MEMORIAL. However, that has been floated repeatedly here and shot down, so I don't think I have anything to add here. I'm not strictly opposed to it, per se, but to my knowledge we don't do it. So out of confusion, I opt to sit this one out.

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Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment

 Declined

 – Not caught up on the MCU yet. Don't want spoilers.

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I Think I Turned My Childhood Friend into a Girl

One sorry for the mess on the page link00XX said what I was trying to say. So, I went through what dan had edited on the site and most of it either had sources that did not prove the point trying to be made, misgendered a person and tried to use a single interview made during an abusive relationship to disprove staments made after the fact or in one case misread the article and added redunt info, others had been undone before. I just wanted to say why I did that.Nbisbo (talk) 03:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@Nbisbo: No worries; I was busy all day and didn't see anything until I saw I had a message and saw you dropped me a line. I think the status quo as of right now is fine. Two sources are sufficient and if they pass muster, they're all we need so we're fine cutting the others. I now consider this matter closed, and I thank you for your help and your civility. I'm glad this didn't escalate; I didn't want to see anyone blocked. I admit when I first pinged you, I was not aware the content had been restored; all I wanted to do was get some discussion going, which I encouraged Don to do as well. I don't have a stake in this, but I felt if there were something to cover we just had to get to the bottom of it, give it its due weight, and not overstate or downplay anything that happened. I think we've achieved that. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 05:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Feedback request: Wikipedia technical issues and templates request for comment

 Declined

 – Entirely too involved for me. My head hurts just trying to read through it all. Will go with the flow of what is decided.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Done

 – This is a tricky one. This paradox is not defining for the incidents that could be cited individually in the article; it might be worth more to look at all the times things could have happened but didn't, e.g. all the nuclear reactors that went up, came down, and suffered nothing of particular consequence in between compared to all the ones that have truly melted down.

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Film category removal

Your removal of Category:American films from several pages, such as Wicked Stepmother, was incorrect as the films should have been subcategorized (as other people such as Bearcat are doing), rather than removed from the tree entirely. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Just to affirm that Pippery is correct. You may remove the national film category if the film is already in other "[Same nationality] genre films" subcategories — but if it isn't in any such subcategories, then you must replace the national film category with one or more appropriate genre subcategories and must not just remove the national category without adding any subcategories. Bearcat (talk) 16:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

My apologies; I look at it from within the category, so if something shows up, my habit is to think it's already redundant and the film already exists elsewhere in the tree. I will be more careful from now on. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 19:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Feedback request: Wikipedia technical issues and templates request for comment

 Done

 – Said yes because why not?

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Feedback request: Wikipedia technical issues and templates request for comment

 Declined

 – This looks really ugly. I'm not even going to try to get into this.

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Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment

 Done

 – Not a good RfC. You don't open one with no fewer than five options that are totally different from each other and expect a consensus to emerge. One certainly does seem to be forming... but it's in conflict with the status quo, itself one of the options available. Status quo, yes or no — that should have been the pitch from the get-go.

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Kiwi Farms Transphobia categorization

Hi Zeke,

First of all I understand your revision on Kiwi Farms. I was aware of that part of the category description, but I argue that Kiwi Farms is not allegedly transphobic; this is not some personal scandal where allegations are all that exist, this is a subject whose page includes a section called Harassment, a subsection of which called Suicides of harassment targets contains information about the suicides of three trans and non-binary individuals. Furthermore, the Transphobia category contains some "individuals, groups or media" already, because they are not allegedly transphobic -- they proudly admit to being so. These include the Georgia Green Party page and Ku Klux Klan‎ and Westboro Baptist Church‎ subcategories. Keeping a counter of trans people killed on their website (see below quote from article) jumps far past "alleged transphobic" and into "proudly transphobic". This is also an important change for readers, as it increases the scope of articles related to anti-trans ideologies and practitioners.

"The Kiwi Farms community considers it a goal to drive its targets to suicide, and has celebrated such deaths with a counter on the website."

Let me know your thoughts on these points. If you have a lot to say, I'd be open to moving this conversation to the talk page for Kiwi Farms.

Best, RFZYNSPY ^talk 07:16, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

I stand by my interpretation of the category description, but at your request will add a few things. As written the article does not support the assertion that those allegedly being harassed are being harassed on the very basis that they are transgender, so for us to do so is WP:OR. These individuals have been said to be transgender, but little if any time has been given to the idea that that is part of or even the whole reason for what they have allegedly experienced from users of the site. I also take issue with the way these categories have been used, as it seems a misappropriation of categorization — I do not understand the application of these categories to groups or individuals demonstrating, allegedly or otherwise, such behavior when it would best be relegated to discrete manifestations of the concept, e.g our coverage of the slur tranny, a manifestation of transphobia. My view is that it should not merely be given to anyone said to be displaying such behavior; to me, it is a violation of how categories work here. I suppose I cannot do anything about it if the category is reinstated by consensus, but I do not have to agree with it either. I could also contest nearly every single point made in the article as is, because having looked into things myself I can say with certainty nearly the entire article is factually incorrect, as is coverage in e.g. the quote you've provided, but I don't intend to dabble in this topic area much further, so I'm not interested in furthering this discussion or contesting the category further. I'm dismayed at the state of things, as for one thing it has me well and truly worried as to the standard for coverage in other topic areas — I'm sad to find that if a reliable source says it, we can and even must use it as gospel, even if it is at odds with empirical observation, for no other reason than a contesting viewpoint has not been raised in a different source also deemed reliable. If true, these allegations are severe, and those so accused do have a right to present their side of the story; we strive for neutral coverage but that is effectively impossible because the sources we have so far are so severely biased toward one side. Meanwhile, I have only attempted a fix to make things a bit more tolerable, no matter how little. But to cap off the rant, I mean no disrespect towards you or anyone else here; we can agree to disagree. I won't attempt to dispute a consensus if one should form either way. Cheers. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 07:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Feedback request: Wikipedia proposals request for comment

 Declined

 – I don't think they need my input here. I would need greater background in the subject at hand to provide a reliable opinion.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Done

 – I can see both ways on this one, but I'm inclined to side with the emerging consensus.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Declined

 – Not comfortable with the topic area. Not even sure what to say.

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Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment

 Done

 – First glance tells me to translate the name locally and mention all the others in the lead, as well as make them all redirects. There unfortunately does not seem to be a precedent for what to do for a name that has several equally dominant non-English variants and was never used in English.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Meriwether (band) albums

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 – Guess whatever articles were there got deleted or redirected. Not surprising, really. Funny a category I made almost exactly eight years ago to the day comes back to haunt me now. No objection here, but if only there were some way to see the history of the category itself, e.g. when things went into or were taken out of it. I know that edit history would be recorded on the actual articles or redirects themselves, but it doesn't link back to here so I can't just see it directly. Looks like there were only two or three there originally anyway.

A tag has been placed on Category:Meriwether (band) albums indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

 Declined

 – Absolutely no qualification to edit in the topic area of chess, nor any interest in how this information is presented.

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Speedy deletion nomination of On Down the Line (disambiguation)

 

 – Would have been nice if I could at least see why this was not considered necessary. I was asleep the entire time this even went on. I don't even remember what was on this page. "Unnecessary disambiguation page" is not an explanation. This whole behind-the-curtain, keep-it-a-secret process is completely antithetical to the open, democratic way Wikipedia is supposed to work. I'm not going to bother requesting a copy of a deleted page like this; I doubt anyone would give me that. That's annoying that there isn't some minimum e.g. 12-hour window that it remains open for before it can be deleted. If two people with enough power decide they don't like it, it's gone almost immediately. If other Wikipedia processes were this efficient, many of this project's problems would be gone. Do you feel like you accomplished something? Time wasted on this speedy deletion could have been spent elsewhere. Thanks for nothing.

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A tag has been placed on On Down the Line (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a disambiguation page which either

• disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic);
• disambiguates zero extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title; or
• is an orphaned redirect with a title ending in "(disambiguation)" that does not target a disambiguation page or page that has a disambiguation-like function.

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. – robertsky (talk) 07:51, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Zeke, the Mad Horrorist! The deleted page was a redirect to On Down the Line. From my recollection, the edit history behind it was sparse. On Down the Line used to be where the dab page is, but now the album occupies after the closure of the Request move discussion. The dab page now resides as a redirect at the (album) after being pageswapped. – robertsky (talk) 04:11, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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I am all too happy to be done. I just take exception to people making groundless assumptions about who I am. I hope you have a pleasant morning. SquireJames (talk) 08:27, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

A pleasant day to you as well. Cheers. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 08:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

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