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Usage of controversial sources

I am a new editor and am editing pages on Sikhism. I have noticed that one particular editor has largely based their edits on a single controversial book. This book has been roundly criticised by numerous Sikh Scholars. As a new editor, I am not yet prepared to get into a lengthy debate on the matter - can I flag this book as a controversial source so that information based on it can be revisited? What is the best way for me to proceed? NarrSingh (talk) 12:33, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey NarrSingh. It's usually preferable to replace low quality sources with high quality sources, rather than remove large amounts of content outright. It's also usually alright to WP:BEBOLD and try to make what you feel are uncontroversial improvement to the encyclopedia. If someone reverts your change, it just means it's time to discuss it on the article's talk page. I realize all of use have limited time to contribute, and discuss contributions, but there is some minimal level of discussion that is expected when two editors disagree over content. If someone reverts me, and I don't have time to discuss it thoroughly and reach a consensus, then I usually just let it go until some time in the future when I can. GMG ^talk 12:50, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Adding Pictures To My Profile Page

How do you make pictures added into an article becoming able to show?(P.S.Pssst,remember me two months ago?)Electro twisted wizard (talk) 12:42, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Electro twisted wizard. It's not totally clear from your contribution history which image you would like added to which article. You may want to review Help:Menu/Images and media, or if you can be more specific, maybe we can give more specific advise. GMG ^talk 12:45, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Ok,the picture of the electro wizard from clash royale in my front profile.Electro twisted wizard.(Is that the right name)?Electro twisted wizard (talk) 12:56, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh Electro twisted wizard. So it looks like you want to add that image to your user page. Unfortunately, that image appears to be copyrighted, and Wikipedia does not allow non-free pictures to be displayed on user's talk pages. GMG ^talk 12:52, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Let me see.So you are refering to my front profile,not my talk page,right?Electro twisted wizard (talk) 12:56, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Copyrighted images are only allowed in articles, and only under very specific circumstances. They are never allowed on user pages of any type, nor drafts or project pages, like this one. GMG ^talk 12:58, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Alright now I understand.Thanks!GMG(GreenMeansGo)!You are knowlegable!☺☺☺☺☺😆😆😆😆😆Electro twisted wizard (talk) 13:01, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Ranks!

How do you show me my medal tables?Electro twisted wizard (talk) 12:46, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, do you mean Wikipedia:Service awards? Kosack (talk) 13:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Struggling to edit/merge pages together. Please help.

I am not a Wiki expert but I spotted some incorrect information for https://www.santaferelo.com/ The company currently has two pages on wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Group and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Relocation_Services and both pages display partially incorrect information.

The company recently rebranded from "Santa Fe Relocation Services" to "Santa Fe Relocation", hence logo and company name within both pages is wrong. Could someone with more experience please advise what is the best way for this to be resolved?

I think it would make sense to merge the pages (and information) together, update the logo and change the name to the correct "Santa Fe Relocation". Check the official site/resources to verify the changes -https://www.santaferelo.com/; https://www.santaferelo.com/news-and-blog/Santa-Fe-Relocation-refreshes-its-identity Laely78 (talk) 14:16, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Cannot sign in or reset password

I try to reset password and page says no such member. I try to create new account and page says user name already in use. Help2601:8C2:180:614:2135:3F7F:B597:5AB8 (talk) 14:25, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello IP.If you already have an account then you should log in. Then you can easily change your password from your preferences. If you do not have an account and want to create one, you should select a username that has not been taken, such as User:Coastline of Somalia. Don'twasteTime (talk) 15:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

How can I source content from a website from a website that was already used as a resource?

I had added information to the article of Mendoza, Texas, but Magnolia677 kept deleting it. I want to add source information that was taken from a website that was already sourced, such as the Handbook of Texas online. Some of the information I added about the history of the article was also on it's page on the Handbook of Texas online. I got the latitude and longitude and map information, such as businesses, on a website called hometownlocator.com. I also added the distances from large nearby cities onto that information by just typing up those distances. I also received the information about the education in the community on hometownlocator.com and greatschools.org. I want to expand the article to remove it from it's stub status on Wikipedia. Will someone please help me by telling me how to source information on websites already sourced, as well as sourcing new websites from information that I have added information from? Thanks, and it would be a really big help! Colman2000Colman2000 (talk) 15:30, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

If you have reliable sources for the information you are trying to add, you need to include references, see Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:57, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Osage University Partners Page

Hello - I am wondering why my page was rejected. Apparently it is not supported by reliable sources, but I do think my sources are reliable. Can you help? Techtransfer (talk) 14:34, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Techtransfer, welcome to teahouse. The user who declined your draft Draft:Osage University Partners clearly informed you why this draft should not be accepted. You should read Wikipedia:Your first article and WP:RS before trying to create an article. Don'twasteTime (talk) 16:01, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The version which was declined by a reviewer had no references. If you believe that the references which you added subsequently are adequate, you need to resubmit, using the blue "Resubmit" button, for further review. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:06, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

How can I always know when an RFC is ongoing?

Please is there a page specifically dedicated to RFC, I want to add it to my watchlist so that I will know whenever an RFC is ongoing. Or can RFC occur in any page (Admin board, teahouse, village pump, etc)? I definitely can't watchlist every community page on Wikipedia though. Darreg (talk) 19:07, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

@Darreg: RfCs can occur on pretty much any page, from the village pumps to individual article talk pages. However, major RfCs (affecting multiple articles or significantly changing policies) are typically listed at WP:CENT. You could also sign up for the feedback request service, which will notify you of some RfCs in your area(s) of interest (but again not all). Nikkimaria (talk) 19:17, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the reply. Darreg (talk) 19:28, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/All should be a complete list, I believe, Darreg. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:38, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm learning but would appreciate some kind advice

Hi there Teahouse

I have written an article on Wikipedia and would like to hear any advice from experienced editors on how to improve this article.

Thanks PEPPep67 (talk) 21:28, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Courtesy link Phillip Leo. Theroadislong (talk) 21:30, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Article got deleted

Hi, help pls this msg is for Cullen328, I dont understand why my article got deleted? my article was just like this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Meltzer_(sports_executive) and how come mine got flagged?Erikrbrown (talk) 01:47, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Erikrbrown. There were several reasons why your user page got deleted. First, you wrote what you are calling an "article" on your user page, not in the main space of the encyclopedia. Your user page is to describe your goals, interests and accomplishments as a Wikipedia editor, not to promote your career. Second, you wrote an autobiography, which is highly discouraged on Wikipedia. The content promoted your real estate business, your book and your local TV show. We simply do not allow self-promotion on Wikipedia. Please use Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram and other social media platforms to promote yourself. Third, the material that was deleted was, in effect, an unreferenced biography of a living person, which is a direct policy violation. All such biographies must be properly referenced. That is why what you wrote is not just like the Meltzer article. That article is in the proper place and has five references. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:12, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

All that being said, David Meltzer (sports executive) has a promotional tone and definitely should be cleaned up. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:32, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Cullen328: I can add 5 references, where can I enter my article for you to approve it? Erikrbrown (talk) 16:20, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, Erikrbrown. Have you read and studied WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, which I linked to above? If I was you, I would not think of trying to write an autobiography, which will come under intense scrutiny if you try. If you want to take on this thankless venture, be thoroughly familiar with all of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Declare your conflict of interest, preferably on your (now non-existent) user page. Use the Articles for Creation process, and defer to the opinions of experienced editors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:45, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

An error in the Wikipedia page of Farooq Abdullah.

In the second last line of the Wikipedia page of Farooq Abdullah just before references, a wrong profile of 'Nazir Ahmed Khan' is linked.

The page talks about the PDP politician 'Nazir Ahmed Khan' but has linked the Wikipedia page of Indian actor/producer 'Nazir Ahmed Khan' by mistake.

I was going through the article when I saw the mistake. Hopefully, it will be corrected soon.

Hi, I have removed the link as the actual person the article is referring to does not seem to have a Wikipedia page. The only politician with that name on Wikipedia is Nazir Ahmed Khan (politician) who does not appear to be the right person from what I can see. I notice the articles we have on the actual elections that person has stood in, such as Srinagar (Lok Sabha constituency) by-election, 2017, refer to him as Nazir Ahmad Khan rather than Ahmed, so his mention on Abdullah's page may need correcting by a user more familiar with the subject. Kosack (talk) 07:22, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia

Please explain what is wrong with the cite, and why you are requiring one for every name listed on this location. This is not true in other places on Wikipedia108.171.131.169 (talk) 19:44, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Courtesy link: I'm guessing that this is about Sunnyvale, California. --ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll chime in here. From my observations, Notable people residing in a town/city do not require a citation if there already exists a Wikipedia article for that person. This is not to say that a citation or citations should be deleted, but not necessary if a new person is being considered for addition as long as there is an existing article for that person. David notMD (talk) 16:04, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Carlile Transportation review

Hello,

Theroadislong says some language in this draft article has too much of a promotional tone. I think he is overapplying the standards. Would anyone else like to take a look and suggest how to rewrtite it to HIS satisfaction, or if it is fine as is? Thanks in advance.184.166.187.64 (talk) 19:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree that parts of the article are promotional in nature - as if it belonged on the company website instead of in an encyclopedia. For example, "Over the next 24 years, they earned the trust of their clients in oil exploration" - 'we' as Wikipedia can't speak for how their clients felt about this company, short of asking each and every one (*or listing a source where these companies say as much for themselves*). Secondly, the article cited for that line only mentions the end piece of the statement "on time, and in one piece", without a mention of the entire rest of the sentence. - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 19:53, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. The paragraph was intended to preempt the otherwise inevitable question "How?" Carlile went from 0 to 30% of haul road loads. Some people apparently lack basic logic and deductive reasoning skills, and the knowledge that making and keeping promises (load contracts in this case) builds trust for any person or company. I have rewritten that paragraph to include the rest of Harry McDonald's paraphrased quote from that article.184.166.187.64 (talk) 16:47, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

The draft still states "Over the next 24 years, they earned the trust of their clients in oil exploration..." in Wikipedia's voice, which is not appropriate. Similarly, "...earning international brand recognition beyond their service areas through the series being broadcast outside of North America" is also promotional - and unsourced. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:34, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

What part of human nature do you not understand about earning trust? This is not in Wikipedia's voice, this is a demonstration of human nature, IMHO. And the latter should be obvious from watching the series. I apologize if you and anybody else fail to see that.184.166.187.64 (talk) 17:42, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

That they earned trust is largely a subjective opinion, and therefore shouldn't be stated as fact. Please see WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV, which explains how such material should be presented. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:50, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

"Largely subjective" according to whom? You? NO transport company gets 30% of a destination's business without demonstrating their abiliity to deliver those loads safely, intact, and on time. That earns trust. See WP:MNA, as I believe, contrary to your view, that this is a necessary assumption. Instead of just criticizing my writing, I would greatly appreciate suggestions how to word this to satisfy your concerns.184.166.187.64 (talk) 18:07, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to first find an independent, reliable source that states that the company earned the trust of its clients, and then to attribute the claim to that source along the lines of "According to XXX, over the following 24 years, the company earned the trust of its clients in oil exploration". Even with a reliable source, though, this is perhaps not encyclopedic and might be best off just left out entirely. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:22, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Noted. Please read the latest rewrite. I think your concerns have been thoroughly addressed now. Given all the grief I have encountered getting this article approved, this may be the last time I even try to create one.

184.166.187.64 (talk) 18:42, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Cordless Larry that it's not encyclopaedic and would be better left out. Theroadislong (talk) 18:49, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

A question on Sandboxes

Hello. Is it possible to have multiple editable sandboxes?AWearerOfScarves (talk) 10:43, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

@AWearerOfScarves: Yes, certainly. You already have User:AWearerOfScarves/sandbox, of course; but help yourself to User:AWearerOfScarves/sandbox 2, sandbox 3, sandbox 4, and sandbox 5 for starters :) Happy editing! — fortunavelut luna 11:27, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

@AWearerOfScarves: You've been given some good extra sandboxes to start with, but all you need to do to make any new sub-page with a name of your own choice is go to your sandbox and, where the url displays in your browser, add on the name of the new sub-page you want, starting with a forward slash. Press return and you'll be taken to a blank page with the message "There is currently no text in this page." Don't panic. Select the Tab at the top of the page that says either "Create" or "Create source" (depending which editor you prefer to use) and add in your content and save it. If you do end up making lots of separate sub-pages (like I've done), you can keep track of them all by adding the following bullet point and wikitext to the very top of each one - or just on your main User Page if you prefer - then you can quckly find and link across to any of the others: *[[Special:Prefixindex/User:AWearerOfScarves|Show all my user sub-pages]]. It will give you this result. I hope this tip might be of interest. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:06, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you for your polite and helpful responces. :).AWearerOfScarves (talk) 13:19, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Notability guidelines for companies and organizations?

I just made a few - for my opinion minor - edits for a international law firm (number of lawyers, awards and offices). Maybe it's because I'm a "newbie", however now it's kind of blocked with the note of the "notability guidelines for companies and organizations". Can someone please help (deleting that note), because it was really just an update (also with citations/references). Here's the Wiki-page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steptoe_%26_Johnson I appreciate any help, kind regards, Law360Law360 (talk) 22:43, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Law360. You should be able to edit the article. If you think it's notable, remove the tag and then, preferrably, leave a message on the talk page. If you don't think it's notable, you can list it at articles for deletion. —MRD2014 ^{Talk • Edits • Help!} 00:38, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I removed the notability tag because Steptoe & Johnson is a highly notable law firm founded over 100 years ago. One of its founders, Louis A. Johnson, went on to serve as United States Secretary of Defense in the Truman administration. Johnson was in and out of government service and his law practice during his entire career. Plenty of reliable sources cover this influential law firm. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:11, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Cullen328, this is a notable problem among new users that they write information but do not cite source, resultantly even notable topics fail to establish natability. Don'twasteTime 07:08, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Don'twasteTime Notability is a characteristic of the subject not the article (or draft). Notability stems from the mere existence of reliable independent sources, not their citation. Don't confuse notability and verifiability. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:01, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Lists of performances

Does the list of exhibitions and performances in this draft article about an artist/musician look appropriate? My gut feel is that it isn't, in which case what would the relevant guideline be so that I can provide the editor with an explanation? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:01, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I would point the editor to WP:NOTCV, Curb Safe Charmer. Articles should summarise the key moments in an artist's career, ideally based on secondary sources, rather than list everything they have ever done. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:30, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

my page isn't visible when i search the wiki

Hi, I have created a page on an NGO, giving info about the organization and what it does. While I can see and edit the page in my sandbox, when I or someone else searches for it on wiki, its not visible. Can you tell me where I am going wrong? ThanksNitaSa (talk) 17:46, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

@NitaSa: Hello and welcome. The page is in your sandbox, which will not come up in a search. It needs to be submitted for review, but I would not do so yet, as it still needs work. It does not read as an encyclopedic article, but as a promotional piece. Please read Your First Article to learn what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 17:53, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi NitaSa user sandboxes are not indexed so they cannot be found by a search engine. This is intentional. Only if/when your sandbox draft is moved to the encyclopedia mainspace will it be available to searches. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:56, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Adding to what 331dot and Dodger67 said, which is right, userpages have a noindex because in most cases we don't want them coming up in a Google search like an article. A Wikipedia editor's userpage means nothing to most people, and if it came up in a search it would drastically increase the chance of vandalism. Drafts in the main draftspace will not come up in a Google search either. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:07, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

The Glory Uk Punk Oi! Band

i am trying to get my band on wikipedia but don't know how to. we have been a popular band since 1985 and are still playing now. thank you mark timsonMarktimo (talk) 10:11, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

@Marktimo: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at your submission and the reason it was declined, I can see that it does not have independent reliable sources(click WP:RS to read about what those are) that indicate how your band meets the notability guidelines for bands. Please read them at WP:BAND. The only source you offer currently is Facebook, which is a primary source and not acceptable. Wikipedia has little interest in what your band says about itself or how it wants to be portrayed, Wikipedia cares about what third parties state about it. You will need independent sources in your draft.

If you haven't already, please review the conflict of interest policy at WP:COI and the paid editing policy at WP:PAID, the latter of which is required per Wikipedia's Terms of Use if you have a paid editing relationship(I assume you get paid for your work in the band). In order to be successful in writing your draft, you will need to do so as if you are not a member of the band; in general that is difficult for most people to do. 331dot (talk) 10:17, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

hi we have Albums out on Oi! Records. Link Records Captain Oi. And Running Riot etc. Also we have a website www.theglory.co.uk.We are playing in Berlin Sweden and Brighton. I need As much publicity as possible and need people to know our history. so how do I get This Page written properly. Thank you mark timsonMarktimo (talk) 10:40, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mark. As stated above, the main problem is that your draft currently has no references other than Facebook. All articles need independent, reliable sources, meaning ones not written by you or people you know personally. Thus, your website, record label website, or social media profiles do not count, as they have been written by you (or people who know you or have a financial relationship). Also, while it is possible to create articles with a conflict of interest, it is highly discouraged.

However, more importantly, your wording seems to indicate that you have misinterpreted what Wikipedia is. It is not a means of promotion for your band. If all you want is to get publicity, you would have more success on an alternative website (some examples of which are listed at WP:Alternative outlets). Regards, Dairy {talk} 23:01, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Submission declined on 28 October 2017 by Whispering

Hi, I've recently had my submission declined despite it being well-written and presented, and true. I have also included pictures, dates, references and so on, and furthermore the information can be confirmed via simple research. I did attempt to upload documents from the U.N. and the National Crime Agency to support / strengthen my submission further however they were not accepted. I also included links to news articles and other reports relating to key topics within my submission.

Can you please help with getting my submission up to a recognised standard to be authorised? To be honest I haven't a clue what I'm doing and am struggling to understand the comments made regarding improving the submission... I'm new to Wikipedia and haven't submitted anything before. I'm from a strong security and intelligence background and can contribute greatly.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Contractor1982 (talk) 18:35, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I have marked your draft for deletion as it appears to be an attack page with unreferenced libellous accusations. Theroadislong (talk) 18:53, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I AM STEVEN PLATT SO PLEASE LET ME TELL MY STORY... THERE WON'T BE ANY LEGAL ACTION. (Contractor1982 (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

WP:COI –Sb 2001 19:08, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

We are not to know that, Contractor1982, and we cannot take your word for it (at least without proof). In any case, the contents of Wikipedia articles should be based on published sources, not on personal knowledge. This is all the more important in the case of articles about living people. See WP:BLP. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:13, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Larry thanks for the explanation, and I do see your point. I am willing to prove it, and like I said my arrest and investigation was well-documented, as was the U.N. Arms Embargo, which I was mentioned in... I've appeared in magazines like the maritime executive, been on BBC AFRICA and the Sunday Express which also covered my arrest. Again these can be easily researched and clarified. There a lot to be added, I just haven't a clue. Also, I never saved a copy of the written so I'm guessing that I've lost that to? Please reconsider guys. Contractor1982 (talk) 19:22, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

The text is currently still available via the page history, Contractor1982. If it is deleted, you can probably ask for a copy to be e-mailed to you. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Cordless Larry and Contractor1982: editors are not allowed to write about themselves. Please review WP:COISELF. –Sb 2001 20:21, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

@Sb2001: I would respectfully state it isn't quite as strong as "are not allowed to". WP:AUTO states that autobiographies are "strongly discouraged". It isn't forbidden to write an autobiography, as there likely are rare cases where someone could successfully write an autobiography- but in general it should not be done. 331dot (talk) 20:32, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

It's strongly discouraged, but not outright prohibited, Sb2001. If someone is going to write about themself, then creating a draft and submitting it for review is better than other alternatives. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:34, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

331dot and Cordless Larry: sorry. I just misinterpreted the guidelines. There seems to be some confusion between WP:COISELF and WP:AUTO. COISELF seems to suggest that it is not acceptable, unless to remove/correct information on existing articles. –Sb 2001 23:27, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

@Sb2001: COISELF says "should not", not "never under any circumstances". Certainly someone should not simply write an autobiography and immediately post it as an article themselves- but as Cordless Larry states, if they go the Articles for Creation route or otherwise submit a draft for an independent review before it is posted as an article, that would be the correct way to go about writing an autobiographical article. Even then, such efforts are not always successful. but it is possible. 331dot (talk) 08:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Deleting unwanted figures(files)

In error, I've used the Upload Wizard to store two copies of a file, but under different names. (I've done this twice!). How do I delete the redundant copies?

The files in question are File:Circuit_of_Wave_Corrector(1).png File:Waveform_Corrector_(1).png and File:Response_of_Wave_Corrector.png File:Insertion_Loss_of_Waveform_Corrector.png Regards D1ofBerks (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

You can put {{db-Author}} tags on them and they will be speedily deleted. Read WP:CSD for the full guide. Dysklyver 20:38, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I noticed an error on the Winston Churchill page, but the page is locked.

Who is allowed to change an error on the Winston Churchill page? It is locked.

WikiReader3 (talk) 17:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey WikiReader3. It looks like the article has been semi-protected, which is usually due to persistent vandalism, and prevents very new accounts from editing. You may still request an edit on the article's talk page, by posting a comment and adding {{requested edit}} along with it. Hope this helps. GMG ^talk 17:35, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse WikiReader3. In four days, you will be able to edit the article yourself if you have made another nine edits to become WP:Autoconfirmed, but if the error is important then we'd like to correct it before then. Thank you for putting the correction on the talk page. I've made the correction for you. Dbfirs 21:05, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Looking to Become an Administrator Someday

I swore I saw a mentorship program somewhere for that, but I cannot for the life of me find it, if it even existed. I was wondering if you all could help, either through helping me find that or through providing guidance. South Nashua (talk) 18:03, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

You probably mean Wikipedia:New administrator mentorship but it is inactive now. However you can prepare yourself by reading Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates or Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship. Ruslik_Zero 19:35, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Can I offer a couple tips, South Nashua? First, if you haven't already, set your twinkle preferences to log your PRODs and CSDs. They will want to see this info at RfA. Second, for some reason I don't fathom very well, article creation is considered very important for potential admins (altho a little less so lately). You're a little light. I've got a big list of schools that need articles if you are interested. (Drop a note on my talk if you want.) It would be to your advantage to try to work on an article to raise it to GA or FA (or even take a list to FL). Last, and most importantly, you need to participate more on article talk pages. Your interaction with other editors in disputes is most important, as administrator work is primarily interaction in tough situations. One thing I do is periodically pick a breaking story and just monitor the talk page, contributing where I can to try to lead discussions to resolution, without actually editing the article. I did that on Omar Mateen and am doing it on Stephan Paddock. That kind of work is looked on very favorably. Another area, and one that desperately needs more hands, is WP:3O. Best of luck to you. Oh, one last thing. I'd suggest actually engaging willing administrators in conversation about the subject. John from Idegon (talk) 01:49, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I will continue the discussion on your talk page. These are some great tips, I appreciate your time giving me insight here. South Nashua (talk) 22:11, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll also add, from my own experience, if most of your edits rely on automation tools like Twinkle and such, that won't count toward your number of edits. Try to have a few thousand actual edits in main space that you did yourself. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:25, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

And I'll add a couple more thoughts, if I may. When you do feel you're ready, there's nothing to stop you nomiting yourself at WP:RFA, but it generally goes down better if an existing administrator nominates you. (Admins do notice good editors and some may approach them to suggest they consider standing when they're ready) You should look at past successful (and especially failed) RfAs to see how the process operates with different individuals, and even how bruising it can be should recent editing weaknesses or misdemeanours be unearthed. The Optional RfA Candidate Poll seems a good way to get a feel for how ready others think you are. See WP:ORFA in the list of useful links at the top of the main RFA page. It's certainly a route I would consider worth taking should I ever feel ready to, as they say, "pick up the mop". Regards and good luck, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:06, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to intrude, but what are twinkle preferences? AWearerOfScarves (talk) 10:42, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

No worries. WP:TWINKLE is a very useful tool for handling various issues relating to vandalism and page management. It can be activated by going to your 'Preferences' (look for it at top right of the page, near the Logout link), then go to the Gadgets tab and the Browsing subsection. Here tick the box to activate it. Once installed you get a new toolbar to assist with managing problems such as marking pages for notability issues, proposing deletions, or gently advising/warning users of your concerns on their editing behaviour. The 'Twinkle preferences' window is not the same one referred to above, but it then let's you tweak the actions that this very useful tool does. Two of these optional actions are to create a page which keeps a log of every time that tool has been used to tag a page for WP:CSD or WP:PROD. Other editors may well look at that log should a person be standing for Adminship, so as to gauge their level of activity in that arena. Does that make any sense? I'm going to ping @South Nashua: as this is now a bit of an old thread, and they might otherwise miss what could possibly be relevant to them. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:54, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

...the reason for activating such logs being that, as deleted contributions are not visible for non-admins, none could see articles that you have tagged for deletion and that were indeed deleted. (You could always point out individual pages and there would be a deletion log entry, but you would not have access to the whole list of articles that you tagged.) There is no such concerns with standard deletion via WP:AFD since AfD discussions are preserved. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 21:49, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Just recieved a rejection

No idea what the rejection refers to .I have entered an edit a few days ago and I entered a new Article today 29/10/17 I have no idea which item the rejection refers to. Also the instructions for the Query of the rejection are difficult to follow.2.24.95.136 (talk) 17:27, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The edit history under your IP address has no other contributions listed, which either means you have a floating IP or you edited this page without logging in to your user name. If you have a username, please log in, but either way please link to the article or draft you are referring to. 331dot (talk) 17:35, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

What is a floating IP.VivNic (talk) 17:43, 29 October 2017 (UTC) I'd like to edit an article on the Marconi Myriad Computer. The edit would cover the technical details of the integrated circuit used on this computer. I believe that this was the first British integrated circuit used on a British Computer and is there for important. I can find no reference to this Integrated circuit on the net and feel that this omittion is important from the historical perspective. I tried to edit the article but am not sure if the edit has been rejected since rejections do not specify what is being rejected.2.24.95.136 (talk) 17:35, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

If you are referring to this edit, the user who reverted it wrote in the edit summary that the edit was unsourced and not placed properly. All article content must be supported by an independent reliable source. You can read about what exactly that means at WP:RS. 331dot (talk) 17:43, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Since you have a username I won't bore you with technical information about IPs but some people have non static IP addresses. 331dot (talk) 17:47, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

2.24: Even if you know something is true, you cannot add it unless you can provide a citation for the information. If fact, VivNic wrote Good Faith in the reversal of your edit, meaning willing to believe the content is true. So, A) only add it back if you can provide a citation. And B) figure out the best placement in the article. David notMD (talk) 21:27, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I have to nitpick, David notMD: "good faith" does not mean the reverter is willing to believe the content is true, but that it was not posted with the knowledge it was false or detrimental to the encyclopedia. If someone adds to our article about Mass that Mass is always conserved in a closed system, it is a good-faith edit, but wrong nonetheless, and the reverter may know it. It is just that it can be reasonably assumed that the editor intended to improve the encyclopedia, though they were misguided. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 22:00, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Not sure my previous question even came through. Thrown out before sending it, I think.

Back in the spring of 2017, I began an article. I was interrupted almost immediately, having barely entered anything. I was appropriately marked for rapid deletion by JamesBWatson. At the time, the article seemed to have gone straight to Wikipedia. But was then deleted.

I have gone back to it recently. THis time, it did not go out to Wikipedia, but went into a lengthy review process, supposedly of at least a month. Was that because of the previous rapid deletion decision? If so, how do I get around it. It is about a man who is the only one of a certain category who does not have his own Wiki page. Morever he has made national news within the evangelical world for more than a year now. He certainly merits a page. I just got off to a bad start, due to pressures of work and health.

In the subsequent article, I am sure I will get some feedback from editors. His books are hard to locate, since he lived in four different countries. I have often given an Amazon link, mostly for the reviewers benefit to prove that these books actually exist. I will certainly remove them later. Other than that, there should be no question other than some wording choices.

So how can I go about this? Any help appreciated. M-Lee-T (talk) 19:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi M-Lee-T. It takes a while for reviewers to get around to complicated articles. You can help a bit. You have 73 references, too many to go through easily. You can help us by telling us which are those that show Liam Goligher is already well-known and meets the requirements for a Wikipedia article. For this you need two or three references which are published in reliable sources, talk about him in-depth, and are entirely independent of him or his churches (not interviews). Tell me which of the current references do this, or find newspaper, magazine, or book coverage that does this. In addition you will need published references that confirm the biographical details. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:46, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, one of the problems with this man's bio is that most of what is known about him is through the spoken word, for example, interviews. In the UK, he only had to open his mouth and people listened. The most informative is the one from Christianity Today, but it deals with just the one issue. He is very publicity shy. He was in the inner circle of many people who have their own Wiki pages. M-Lee-T (talk) 00:10, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean by biographical detail being confirmed? Does one have to verify the date of birth, degrees granted, etc. Nothing is available from that far back from hospital records or even most schools. M-Lee-T (talk) 00:10, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi M-Lee-T, All new articles must go through a review process, the Draft: area is a relatively new idea which allows editors more time to make an article properly rather than having to delete it. The draft process will also give the estimated review time - which has not changed much, it is normally about a month.

Linking to Amazon is not allowed, and a reviewer will not appreciate it, all you need to do is supply the full ISBN number of each book, we have automated software which can help you build correct citations using the ISBN.

Do I have to do something here, or does it happen automatically. I copied the citation format from other articles. M-Lee-T (talk) 00:10, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Your article is not written in an encyclopedic way, it continually uses unneeded words to make the subjects in the article sound more interesting, this writing style is not what should be written here. This makes it sound promotional and should be avoided. This is not a minor problem, almost half the article size ought to be removed for being of no encyclopedic relevance, given the sources available, try for three or four solid paragraphs of text.

You can message me on my talk page if you want more help. Dysklyver 20:48, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. I will get back to you. If I have more questions.

Editors without usernames just IP numbers

Please, How do I contact editors who don’t have usernames at their edits. Their only identification is their IP adress with no link to their talk page. They no Profile, no talk page. I would prefer to discuss their edits which I don’t agree is correct. Unlike other users who leave their reason for their edits in the edit summary, most of these edits I refer to are unidentifiable or inaccessible on their page. We are encouraged to discuss revert edits in a professional manner. Some users resort to mischief and vandalism. Pipamidalton (talk) 11:18, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Yo, Pipamidalton They do- see, for example (one you might find useful!) User talk:124.106.251.186. Just put 'User talk:' in front of their IP. Cheers! — fortunavelut luna 11:31, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Fortuna, much appreciated.Pipamidalton (talk) 19:38, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Also, Pipamidalton, because it often happens that a single person may change IP addresses (because of their internet service provider or other reasons), it is sometimes preferable to discuss the edits on the talk pages of the involved articles rather than on the IP's talk page. (I am not saying it was the case here, just wanted to tell you that for the future.) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 22:05, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Tigraan. Actually, that is what I wanted to do, go to user’s talk page. I just couldn’t find it because it went directly to the user’s edit history. But I prefer to communicate directly with editors on their edits. Good to know, I’ll use article’s talk page in future. Thanks again. Pipamidalton (talk) 01:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

How do I locate a lint error?

I saw a page entitled "Lint errors" and after checking it out I couldn't seem how to find the lint errors. There is nothing linking to the error, so how do I find it? ALLCAPSFORNOREASON (talk) 23:17, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi ALLCAPSFORNOREASON, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you mean something listed at Special:LintErrors? There are different types of lint errors. Some of them can be located by searching the wikitext for a listed string, e.g. with Ctrl+F in many browsers. If you have problems then please give an example with a link. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I need an Admin's help to delete a wiki page

I asked earlier but no one has deleted it so I want to reiterate that this page: Halloween_Baking_Championship_(season_2) is redundant and needs to be deleted (the information here is on the relevant list of episodes page. I'm slowly but surely trying to clean up and consolidate episode pages of some Food Network shows so I'll likely be asking for help deleting other pages in the near future.

Thanks. SunnieSkye (talk) 03:33, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

@SunnieSkye: you don't really need an admin, you just need to replace the content of that article with a redirect, as I have just done. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:14, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

How to change Wiki page Category shown in google search right side

When we search on Google.com.au for "Jerrod carland" it shows the wiki page but I want to change its category that mentioned below that name. Pleas let me know if anyone has any idea how to change it. ThanksHarpreetosm (talk) 03:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

@Harpreetosm: Hi. You mean Jarrod Carland. We cannot control what Google displays on its search results. However, categories may be added by editing the bottom section of the page. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:15, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

It’s a bit misleading, but in those Google boxes, often only the paragraph comes from Wikipedia (not the title, pictures, etc., which are pulled from a variety of sources). You can report errors in that info box using the small “feedback” button located below the box - I have no idea where “singer” might have come from. Dairy {talk} 06:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

In some cases, Google may get those brief descriptors from Wikidata, a separate project. This is entirely up to Google and its algorithms. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:46, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

@Dairy501: thanks for your help. I found the option to change, hope it would work.

Great Pumpkin

On the page about the Great Pumpkin(1), "Other references in popular culture" is missing "Snoopy vs. the Red Baron"(song)(2). The lyrics(3) "So he asked the Great Pumpkin for a new battle plan" is part of the song.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pumpkin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snoopy_vs._the_Red_Baron_(song)
genius.com/The-royal-guardsmen-snoopy-vs-the-red-baron-lyrics

Beatles777! (talk) 08:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Beatles777!. If you have suggestions for a specific article, you can raise them on that article's talk page, in this case Talk:Great Pumpkin. Or simply go ahead and make the changes yourself. – Joe (talk) 09:24, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Involved editor editing their own article.

As outlined at this talk page, I strongly suspect a user of having edited his own page, including adding a paragraph, which among other claims, describes him as being a great human being. What should I do?--Ilikerainandstorms (talk) 11:28, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

You should warn the IP, on his user talk page, about WP:COI and WP:AUTO. I see that you have correctly removed the unsourced claims. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:38, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Fair Use of Photos of Artwork from the Comic Industry (1943)

Hello, every time I add a low resolution picture of a piece of comic art by an artist, it is rejected immediately. Is there a step I am missing? Thank you Latepraxis (talk) 11:53, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Latepraxis. You gave no examples, haven't uploaded any images, and I found no attempt to add images in your edits. Without knowing which steps you are taking or even whether you are trying to upload an image or use an already uploaded image, it is impossible to say whether you are missing a step. All I can do at this point is refer you to general pages like Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria, Wikipedia:Non-free content and Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:37, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Links to wikipedia from other websites

I am constructing a website and mobile app that will have information about UK places, and I would like sometimes to include URLs for Wikipedia pages, so that users can just click the link to go to the right place in wikipedia. Are there any restrictions on including Wikipedia URLs as links in other websites?Aboutmyjourney (talk) 09:44, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi,Aboutmyjourney and welcome to the Teahouse! In general, you can freely link to Wikipedia pages. Take a look at WP:Linking to Wikipedia, which gives you a few pointers on how to achieve the type of link you want. Neiltonks (talk) 12:54, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Suggestbot

Hi there! A belated happy halloween to everybody! :) So, is there any way to automatically get articles from suggestbot say every week? This is in contrast to putting that one line of code everytime one wants to receive articles from suggestbot... Thanks a bunch for the help! Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:52, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Adityavagarwal and welcome to the Teahouse! This is covered in the instructions for using SuggestBot. The page you need to look at is here. That should give you what you need, but feel free to come back if you have any further questions. Neiltonks (talk) 13:10, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Can we use Facebook links as a reference

Can we use Facebook images as a reference? Like one of my friend's work was published in Deccan Chronicle, but I couldn't found that on the official website and I had that image in her profile. So, I want to know if I can use that as a reference or not to include in wiki page references. Lasya K Elzibeth (talk) 06:14, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

@Lasya K Elzibeth: Hello, welcome to the Teahouse. For Facebook links, here is a link that offers an explanation. You seem to be asking about something else though (using your friend's work that was published in a newspaper). It depends on the subject and the reference. You might find Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources to be helpful reading. Regards, Alex Shih (talk) 06:22, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! My query got solved. Lasya K Elzibeth (talk) 10:06, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Note that an image of a newspaper article posted on Facebook is likely to be a copyright violation, Lasya K Elzibeth, and per WP:LINKVIO, Wikipedia shouldn't link to such material. It is perfectly acceptable to cite a print newspaper article without including a URL in the reference - especially if the article hasn't officially been published online. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Edit my wikipedia article

Hi!

I would like to receive feedback on my wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_the_Caribbean.

Thank you,

Mónica — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcqf (talk • contribs) 13:32, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. You forgot to sign your message. It is better to give a wikilink, like Climate change in the Caribbean, rather than include a URL for a Wikipedia page. I have removed two misplaced templates from the top of your page, & also removed some inappropriate bolding. For punctuation around references you should read MOS:REFPUNC. Many of your references are reporting erroors in red; in general the error messages have "help" links in blue to specific details of each error type. I'll leave others to comment further. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:45, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I would add that in general as a new editor it would have been advisable to submit your draft for review through the Article for creation process rather than moving it directly into article space yourself, but your draft appears noticeably better than many which we see from new editors. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:51, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Which is the correct Potrzebie date?

I was exploring List of humorous units of measurement, and I found out about a pseudo-measurement system called Potrzebie. According to that section, the date "October 27, 2007" is "To 1, 190 C. M.", but in the Potrzebie article itself, it's "Cal 7, 201 C. M.", so which one is correct? -- MrHumanPersonGuy (talk) 00:59, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, MrHumanPersonGuy, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm new helping out here, and don't yet know if we give out prizes for the "most-impossible-to-answer-question-of-the-day". But if I had such an award, I would send it over with ribbons attached! I'm sure someone who has enjoyed grappling with Potrzebie could address your question, so may I suggest the best way is to post your question again on the Article's Talk Page? You should probably also leave a note on the other article's talk page, too, to say you've started a discussion about it. (Better to have one discussion in one place, I think.) Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 02:56, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello MrHumanPersonGuy. Please be aware that the Teahouse is for asking and answering questions about editing Wikipedia. General knowledge questions can be asked at the Reference desks. Thanks. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:28, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Done. -- 2601:381:101:142:51A:6609:6BDB:C397 (talk) 15:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

In case you're wondering about the IP. I forgot to log in. -- MrHumanPersonGuy (talk) 15:45, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Medium.com

Are we able to reference an article written on Medium.com? Jrayewrites Jrayewrites (talk) 23:06, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jrayewrites. Medium.com is a platform for user-submitted content and lacks professional editorial control. Accordingly, material published on that website cannot be considered a reliable source for use in a Wikipedia article. That is the same reason why one Wikipedia article cannot be used as a reference in another Wikipedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:43, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

@Jrayewrites: you can ask it on WP:RSN. 174.3.236.27 (talk) 20:52, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

not finding 2 surnames listed?

how can we add surnames here that are not listed ? i saw on the site but none of the names I have arent there Annmrce2001 (talk) 00:50, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Annmrce2001, welcome to the Teahouse. Which surnames do you want to add and where do you want to add them? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

IN HE CROATIAN NAMES SURNAMES LIKE MINE IS CEKO AND MY PARENTS DUSEVIC AND KURTAAnnmrce2001 (talk) 01:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

@Annmrce2001: Wikipedia has millions of pages. Please link a page you refer to a give the precise name, especially when you are explicitly asked for the page. Are you referring to Category:Croatian-language surnames? Categories are only for subjects with Wikipedia pages, and you have to edit the page to place it in the category (see Help:Category#Putting pages into categories). There are no pages about Ceko or Dusevic, and Kurta is not about the surname. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:23, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

ok thank you for your explanation. Annmrce2001 (talk) 20:18, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

In addition to what PrimeHunter says, I was wondering if maybe you were talking about the article Croatian name? There are some surnames mentioned there, but that is not intended to be a list of all Croatian surnames, just an illustration of the different types of names. I don't think it would serve any purpose to add more names to the page. --bonadea contributions talk 20:45, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Apologies, I should of course ping Annmrce2001 to make you aware of the new reply. --bonadea contributions talk 21:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Syed Hasan Askari - Section "References" has 5 cite errors. Please assist in fixing it.

Requesting for assistance to fix the following cite errors in the Section "References"on the page Syed Hasan Askari as I was trying to format it earlier. Thanks in advance.

Cite error: The named reference ref18 was invoked but never defined (see the help page). Cite error: The named reference ref14 was invoked but never defined (see the help page). Cite error: The named reference ref15 was invoked but never defined (see the help page). Cite error: The named reference ref16 was invoked but never defined (see the help page). Cite error: The named reference ref17 was invoked but never defined (see the help page). Syedahmerraza (talk) 23:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Syedahmerraza. Welcome to the Teahouse. Don't worry - I think you made a bit of a mess when you made your recent edit to tidy up the article's references. I have reverted it for you by going to the 'View History' Tab and selecting your last edit. It has an option to 'Undo' though you could just as easily have done that yourself. If the numbers at the start of each footnote aren't important, I would suggest you consider removing those. It's also possible to use a more logical name for each reference. If you would like to read a little more on how best to create or modify these so-called 'inline citations', do have a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources. I hope this helps. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)