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This page is an Archive of the discussions from WikiProject European history talk page (Discussion page). (2021 - 2023) - Please Do not edit!

Liberation of France

I've released this article from Draft, and there is still plenty to do to expand and smooth it. Your assistance would be welcome at Liberation of France. There are also some sections on the Talk page that may give you ideas, or which you could contribute to. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 03:24, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move

It has been proposed that Clandestine press of the French Resistance be renamed to Underground media in German-occupied France. Your feedback would be welcome at this discussion. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:37, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

FAC: Edict of Torda

The Edict of Torda was an early and almost exceptional example of religious tolerance in early modern Europe. It sanctioned the existence of an antitrinitarian church in the eastern Hungarian kingdom. The article is a FAC and all comments are welcome on the review page. Borsoka (talk) 06:39, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Free re-licensing of online material by University and State Library Düsseldorf

Hello, today I received an email telling me that nearly all of the scans of old books that are available online (at digital.ub.uni-duesseldorf.de) have been re-licensed under a PD / CC0 license by the University and State Library Düsseldorf.
Previously I had asked them why many of their scans of books in the public domain were published online with a "non-commercial" limitation in their licenses. If you have any idea where else to announce / advertise this new availability of their online material, please tell me or publicize it yourself. --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 16:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

ΟΥΤΙΣ, That's great news! However, since book contents are two-dimensional, there is no separate copyright for scanning them. Even before this switch it would have been possible to upload using {{PD-Art}} or {{PD-scan}}[1]. (t · c) buidhe 18:45, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

That's my legal understanding too, Buidhe, even according to current German laws. But I have seen many online scans being hosted by various institutions that arbitrarily impose limitations on scans of public domain works. This often borders on copyfraud, but sometimes lazyness, misinformation or indifference might play a role, too.

I think it's better to ask them politely and make them withdraw these phony secondary licenses, when encountered, and will continue to do so. --ΟΥΤΙΣ (talk) 20:01, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Napoleon GAR

Napoleon, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Lennart97 (talk) 14:43, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Notice of Featured Article Review

I have nominated Roman–Persian Wars for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Notice of Featured Article Review

I have nominated Hungarian Revolution of 1956 for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Lloyd's Register Foundation, Heritage & Education Centre uploads 5000 documents to Wikimedia Commons

Hi WikiProject European History,

The Lloyd’s Register Foundation, Heritage & Education Centre have just uploaded 5005 documents from our Ship Plan and Survey Report Collection to Wikimedia Commons that may be of interest to you and your research on European history. The ingestion is comprised of 16 boxes and accounts for 1082 ships across 184 unique places of build from around the globe.

The documents include original handwritten correspondence from Lloyd's Register surveyors, ship plans and even a small selection of photographs. Examples include an annual report for Fiery Cross, a wreck report for Highwave, and cabin plan for the City of Simla.

In addition to the Ship Plan and Survey Report Collection, we are also beginning to ingest every edition of the Lloyd’s Register of Shipping until 1909 as well as a percentage of the First and Famous Collection, the world’s most iconic ships from within our collection. We will be sure to keep you updated on the progress of this next step.

Browse the full collection here.

We would really welcome some support for the resources and encourage you to share our documents on Wikipedia.

Thank you for all your help.LRFHEC (talk) 11:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Michael of Zahumlje GAR

Michael of Zahumlje has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 15:10, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Peer review requested

I would highly appreciate all comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1301)/archive3. Borsoka (talk) 02:55, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Spelling in History of Kyiv

Please help find consensus at Talk:History of Kyiv#Consistent spelling of the title term in the text. The question is whether the article text should use the spelling from its title. —Michael Z. 16:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Merging Recovered Territories into Territorial changes of Poland immediately after World War II

An editor has requested for Recovered Territories to be merged into Territorial changes of Poland immediately after World War II. Since you had some involvement with Recovered Territories or Territorial changes of Poland immediately after World War II, you might want to participate in the merger discussion (if you have not already done so).

Further input is requested from all interested WikiProjects to establish consensus. Felix QW (talk) 11:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Feedback requested at Talk:Czech Republic

Your feedback would be appreciated at this discussion at Talk:Czech Republic, proposing a rollback in reaction to edit warring by an IP-hopping anonymous user. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 03:18, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Finnish Civil War

I have nominated Finnish Civil War for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 06:20, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Note re WikiProject

Hi. I am Lead Coordinator at WikiProject History. we would welcome any collaboration, or joint discussions, or joint efforts with this WikIProject that might seem helpful. I hope anyone here will please feel free to offer any ideas, or any suggested areas or items for common effort, any time you may wish. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 17:49, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Should Earl and Jarl be split?

Please comment at Talk:Earl#Split article? to give your opinion on whether text on the Scandinavian jarl should be moved to Jarl (title), which currently redirects to Earl. Thanks. Ltwin (talk) 01:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

FAR notice - First Nagorno-Karabakh War

I have nominated First Nagorno-Karabakh War for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Cinderella157 (talk) 08:14, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Swedish emigration to the United States

User:Buidhe has nominated Swedish emigration to the United States for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Norman Birkett, 1st Baron Birkett

User:Buidhe has nominated Norman Birkett, 1st Baron Birkett for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:56, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Inner German border

User:Buidhe has nominated Inner German border for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:09, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Assistance required to end deadlock in merger proposal discussion

I've been editing the articles relating to the Scythians over the course of several months, and since most editors tend to favour splitting pages after they reach a certain size, I split two further pages, Iškuza and Scythia, covering the phases of Scythian history respectively in West Asia and in Europe, out of the main page covering the Scythians.

However, trying to split it has resulted into three articles, with both Iškuza and Scythia requiring large amounts of material regarding the role of the prior and subsequent histories of the Scythians in the creation and destruction of those states copied from each other and from the Scythians page to exist since they are both about immediately preceding/succeeding states created by the same continuous population group. And because Iškuza and Scythia both cover immediately preceding/succeeding but also partially overlapping parts of the history of the Scythians, multiple sections and sub-sections of each page covering the culture, population, external relations, etc of these states also had to be copied from the Scythians page (e.g. the "Background" sub-section and "Society" section in Scythia, and the "Origins," "Impact," and "Legacy" sections of Iškuza). Moreover, the Scythia page as it exists now also functions as a WP:Semi-duplicate, given that most of the information relating to this polity also is also the same basic information that is required on the Scythians page.

Given this resulting situation, I have started a merger proposal to resolve this issue, per WP:MERGEREASON: Overlap, Context, not because I support a merger for the sake of merging itself, which I do not favour, but because Iškuza and Scythia require too much context and the information on these pages is too intertwined with each other.

The problem is that, despite months having passed, the discussion for the merger proposal is still at a deadlock, with three users opposed to the merger, and three users (including myself) in favour of it. In this difficult situation, I have been advised to bring this issue to the various WikiProjects which are relevant to Scythians as a way to possibly resolve the deadlock, and all good faith assistance to reach a consensus would be much welcome. Antiquistik (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Comments for Renaissance

Hello, I have opened comments for Renaissance on the talk page that identifies problems with the article. If these receives no comments by monday then I will open a GAR for it. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:09, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Macedonia (terminology)

User:Buidhe has nominated Macedonia (terminology) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Macedonia (terminology)

User:Buidhe has nominated Macedonia (terminology) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:37, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Macedonia (terminology)

User:Buidhe has nominated Macedonia (terminology) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:08, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Merger proposal on Janissary Corps

There is a proposal that a new article on the Janissary Corps be merged into the pre-existing article Janissary. Any interested editors are invited to participate in the discussion. Constantine ✍ 17:20, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Regulamentul Organic

User:Buidhe has nominated Regulamentul Organic for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:36, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire)#Requested move 24 June 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raulois (talk) 16:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire)#Requested move 24 June 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raulois (talk) 16:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Louis, Duke of Burgundy#Requested move 26 June 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Louis, Duke of Burgundy#Requested move 26 June 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Favonian (talk) 10:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Request for peer review of Victorian era

I've been working on the article about the Victorian era a great deal this year and have recently got it to good article status. I'm hopping to get it to featured article status over the next few months which would be my first featured article. What kind of changes do you think would be needed to get their?

Link to peer review page: Wikipedia:Peer review/Victorian era/archive1 Llewee (talk) 14:40, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire)#Requested move 3 July 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire)#Requested move 3 July 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 09:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

An RfC of interest

An RfC of possible interest to this WikiProject can be found here.

Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Grand Duchy of Moscow#Requested move 19 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Grand Duchy of Moscow#Requested move 19 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 10:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Modern era#Requested move 3 September 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Modern era#Requested move 3 September 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 17:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Wording in Template:Eastern Bloc sidebar

There is a discussion on "Allied states" vs "Allied and satellite states" terminology in Template_talk:Eastern_Bloc_sidebar#Allied vs satellite states. More input would be welcome. -- Mindaur (talk) 20:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Byzantine Empire Featured article review

I have nominated Byzantine Empire for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Battle of Kosovo RfC

An Rfc on whether some minor figures in the battle should be included as commanders in the infobox is taking place here Talk:Battle_of_Kosovo#RfC_Should_Muzaka_and_Jonima_be_included_in_the_infobox?. Khirurg (talk) 05:04, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

"Minor figures" according to the user above, notable figures according to WP:RS bibliography. Botushali (talk) 06:54, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

This is not a neutral notification. (t · c) buidhe 07:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Norman taskforce

Hi, with a few days now I have been having a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council#Wikiproject Norman history revival to decide the faith of a possible Wikipedia:WikiProject Norman history revival. It has been decided that rather than a revival of the project it become a taskforce and this project seems the most appropriate in my opinion.

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/Task_forces#Converting_existing_projects_to_task_forces suggests that I notify the parent project before any movement. ☘️ King ᚺᛒ ☘️ Talk, Guestbook 12:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:23 March 1933 Reichstag speech

Please help improve a promising draft at Draft:23 March 1933 Reichstag speech, using reliable sources. Fences&Windows 13:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Fences and windows it's a notable topic but if I were working on it I would have to start from scratch because of the need to cite wp:rs secondary sources. (t · c) buidhe 15:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Fair. Reading it again, the draft currently platforms Hitler without any critique or analysis. Yikes. Fences&Windows 16:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

RfC of interest

(non-automated message) Greetings to all members of WP:EH! I have opened an RfC on WT:ROYALTY that may be of interest to users of this WikiProject! You are encouraged to contribute to this discussion here! Hurricane Andrew (444) 22:32, 23 November 2023 (UTC)