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Editor creating articles with Prod alread attached.

Very weird. User:Portdarwinfc has been creating pages with the Prod already there. They are all non-notable as they haven't played in a fully professional league. Not sure what to do. Bgwhite (talk) 22:54, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You can question their sanity... I looked at a few of them, but they weren't deleted before so they're not copies, as I've seen happen. Another editor is endorsing the PRODs; let's see what happens, unless you can come up with something smarter. I'm baffled myself. Drmies (talk) 23:01, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What about stretching {{db-a7}} given the unusual circumstances?--Bbb23 (talk) 23:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's an option, but I don't know the notability requirements for the different leagues and divisions per WP:FOOTY. If you're any good at that, go ahead. It doesn't answer the weird question ("huh?"), though... Drmies (talk) 00:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The sanity question may not be answerable, but its effects can be dealt with. Actually, I stay away from sports articles because of notability confusion. However, I don't think that notability matters here. What matters is whether an article created with the apparent understanding that it shouldn't be created can be speedily deleted using a criterion that wasn't really intended to be used this way (A7 doesn't concern itself with notability). I thought about trying one out and seeing what a reviewing admin would do, and then I thought about it coming back to haunt me at some as yet unknown RfA ("it is clear that Bbb23 has a fundamental misunderstanding of CSD and its criteria"). So, I took the cowardly way out and asked here so I could share the blame. :-) Shameless.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:31, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I almost understood that fourth sentence. At any rate, I think it's giving too much credit: I am not sure that the creator understands what they're doing, though I admit that begs the question of why they created them like that in the first place. OK, I put an A7 on Ro Ward, and the sanity question will soon be moot given the similarity between the editor's name and Port Darwin FC. Now you go ahead and look up how and whether that club should be deleted. Drmies (talk) 01:17, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And I called you out on your talk, Bbb. Ha. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) *Sigh, you forced me to count my sentences. Convoluted, yes, but understandable, he says with perfect objectivity. I'll watch your A7 (better you than me - you're already an admin). Why focus on Port Darwin FC in particular? It looks like most of the club articles I've seen, no better, no worse, not that I ever examine them carefully. Full of colorful icons and very few citations. The infamous WP:ATH says up front, "This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/organization (amateur or professional) will meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia." - and then proceeds to talk only about people, NOT about clubs directly. The closest it comes is when it talks about individual seasons, but it presumes the team is notable. It's a mess - as are the articles. I'll edit the article a bit but won't go any further than that.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:31, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I assumed the guideline was "any article that says it is about football is notable". I gave up policing sports articles, too much venom, and the fans travel in packs. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 01:40, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

LOL.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I asked a question here and consider Drmies a friend, so I definitely have sanity issues. The club is notable and should have an article. However, playing for the club is not notable as the league is not fully professional. User:Sir Sputnik has also been Proding the articles. When I have a football question, I ask Sputnik as he deals almost exclusively with football. Policing football articles isn't too bad. The worst is American football and basketball as there is a group that considers any college basketball/football athlete notable. They have started on high school athetes being notable... grrr Bgwhite (talk) 02:05, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

With high school athletes, I reckon we're just following ESPN. If they produce shows that feature high schoolers, they generate the coverage that editors here can use or abuse to create those articles. If reliable sources write about crap (like Crap on Twitter), we get "encyclopedic" articles about crap. Drmies (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some crap belongs in an encyclopedia. some does not. LadyofShalott 03:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Meconium? Thanks for reminding me of my future. Drmies (talk) 03:49, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Always glad to oblige! :) LadyofShalott 03:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings from WP:FOOTY - I can confirm that even if these player articles weren't BLPPRODs, they would be non-notable anyway and eligible for regular PROD/AfD - they fail both WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. The league they play in isn't notable enough for an article (it appears to be minor, regional, amateur) and the club doesn't appear to meet consensus for notability at WP:FOOTY (i.e. playing in a national cup competition). The articles being deleted isn't a case of if, it's a case of when. Giant Snowman 07:55, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The club is indeed notable, but the players certainly are not. Giant Snowman 14:34, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll bite, how do you decide based on the sports notability guidelines that the club is or isn't notable?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:44, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing in community policy, we tend to use WP:FOOTYN which is an essay that, for player notability at least, is not fit for purpose - but for clubs it says "All teams that have played in the national cup" which is based on longstanding consensus. Perhaps we need to add a section at WP:ORG for sports clubs? Giant Snowman 14:50, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the essay pointer. We should add something to a notability guideline. One possibility is WP:ORG, but what about WP:NSPORT? It says it relates to clubs as well as atheletes but then never follows through on its promise.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Slight crossover in posting - I was going to post at ORG but realised NSPORTS was better, please see Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Team notability. Giant Snowman 15:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see we were all working on the same thing at the same time. I've nixed all the players, citing "See precedent, Ro Ward", which was deleted by another admin (thus I feel that we've had plenty of oversight and consensus for these deletions). Drmies (talk) 15:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why are we leaving in any of the players in that section if there's no source for them? I get a little lost because it's a club with multiple teams (isn't it?), and don't different players play for different teams? So how are we supposed to know which of these players plays for what? And why do we even care if we're going to nominate the club for deletion? I feel like I know more than I did before I started and yet now know that I know very little (knock yourself out, Drmies, with this sentence).--Bbb23 (talk) 15:38, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies - you won't hear any complaints from me! Bbb23 - we tend to only list players in the the first-team senior squad, which could range from 15 to 40+ depending on the size of the club and the level they play at. It is assumed that all the players listed are senior 1st teamers - but if you want to remove as unreferenced, be my guest. Giant Snowman 15:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I'm just taking one step at a time. I have no intention of AfDing the club--I don't know enough (or care enough) about FOOTY notability for that. I don't know about multiple teams either; again, I'm happy to leave that to the expert--the Snowman. I'm a little bird, Bbb, and I drive wholly on instinct. Drmies (talk) 15:44, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The club has already been AfDed by me this morning, nom withdrawn within 1 hour after notability was established. Giant Snowman 15:46, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I had to read the AfD discussion to sort of understand why the club is notable. I would never have known what to do to figure it out on my own, and I still don't completely understand it. A couple of times in the past when I got involved in questioning notability for sports-related articles, I got the same kind of confusing but well-intentioned feedback that assumed I knew what anyone was talking about. This is all Drmies's fault for sucking me into this on his Talk page. I'm going back to staying away from sports articles.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't blame me, Bbb--I didn't start this thread. As an admin, I simply follow the directions other ~~peons~~ editors give me. Sometimes it's soccer, sometimes it's bareback gay porn, sometimes it's buckets full of semen. Yes, we aim to please. Drmies (talk) 16:05, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I blame everything that happens on your Talk page on you. It's a nice, simple rule that even this ~~peon~~ ~~idiot~~ editor can follow.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:58, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is an excellent rule to live by. Drmies (talk) 18:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I started the thread. Hmmm, didn't I also start the last bareback gay porn thread too? Umm, yea, um, still blame Drmies for everything. It makes things much simpler. Yea, that's it. FYI... I'm a minion, not a peon. Bgwhite (talk) 20:43, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bacon taco shells

A friend of mine just made some bacon taco shells, used the bacon weave, and shaped them with aluminium foil (I think). They look bacon-tastic.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 23:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You mean online friend, and you didn't get to taste them? Sounds great, though--but I gotta tell you, I made BBQ last night, and now all I want for the next couple of days is water and cucumbers. And it's summer here. Are you going back to Mongolia again? Drmies (talk) 00:18, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Too bad you aren't here. We planted about 15 hills of cucumbers, different types. I have more than enough garden fresh cukes for a small town. zucchini and yellow squash, too. Watermelons aren't in yet though. Only way I can make sure I get proper exercise. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 00:24, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - 15 hills. Where are you living, man? I have a acre or so of the side of one hill, so planting 15 of the things ... As for bacon taco shells, ah well, my congenital disposition to high cholesterol has recently surfaced and, alas, bacon is now a luxury to be consumed in small quantities. Which is a bugger, because one of my brothers has just bought his seventh porker & it won't be long before there is a continuous supply of stuff I am not permitted. - Sitush (talk) 00:40, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - No I didn't get to try them, although they probably wouldn't have lasted through the TPAC flight. I should be back in Mongolia in mid August (in theory), playing with some clever routings, I am thinking either Halifax-London-Istanbul-Bishkek-Ulan Bator or Toronto-London-Zurich-Beijing-Ulan Bator. Exciting, well at least it is for me, since my hobby is finding clever flight routings. Minimize cost, maximize service, maximize frequent-flyer points. I should open a travel agency. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 01:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I have 1.5 acre. A hill is only about 8 foot in diameter, mine are a bit close. My neighbor has several tractors, got him to turn and disk 25'x100' area for me. The soil came off the bottom of a large creek bed, very fertile, plus I have huge compost piles we worked in. Yeah, I got a little carried away with the garden :) Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 01:24, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Did the bacon taco shell idea came from Epic Meal Time? They have an episode where they do that with pies. User:King4057 02:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, but I saw a bacon soup bowl on Instructables one time.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 02:51, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Dorschel, DYK hook

I know that you tweaked some stuff at Peter Dorschel. Can you see a DYK hook in there anywhere? I don't often bother with DYK but this is such an oddball situation and it has flown under most radars since 1967. As any good espionage event should, I suppose! - Sitush (talk) 00:35, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know that Peter Dorschel's wife was caught sunbathing in the nude? And will you please get me that photo? Drmies (talk) 01:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think the "little fish" thing is the way to go, Sitush--that he only got so many years because he was just a little fish, according to the sentencing judge? Drmies (talk) 01:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

Thanks for the warnings on the page I created. I wanted to see what the template would look like. Thanks for letting me know I have a sandbox to try things out! Let's hope I don't make any more mistakes!

Peace & Love,

FRE1991DDIE

FRE1991DDIE (talk) 04:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Next time, do it in a sandbox. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 04:19, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

Horse burial, eh? Interesting read indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good addition. You may want to incorporate some material from Domestication of the horse, which contains some sourced material on some of the early chariot burials and such. Montanabw^(talk) 15:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks--there are more horse articles than one can shake a stick at. Time to make a horse template, Montana. Unfortunately the most informative section (and I have a few of the tidbits already in the article), Domestication_of_the_horse#Horses_interred_in_human_graves, is tagged as unsourced... Drmies (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Added Equine navbox template to your article. I know, we do. WPEQ has been a magnet for a lot of odd people, we had an edit war over where and whether to use the navbox, if the navbox we have is the "right" navbox, and OMG, well see Category:Horse templates, I have a horse tack navbox that has yet to see the light of day due to this garbage. Advice? Montanabw^(talk) 18:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Holy moly, that's a lot of templates. Thanks for adding the template to the article and vice versa! Drmies (talk) 19:31, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

These days, when a hook gets approved, it tends to get promoted very quickly. I was adding an alt and got an edit conflict as the hook was promoted, so I substituted my version in Prep 4, explaining at WT:DYK#Horse burials. Please see what you think of it, and tweak it or restore your original as desired. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that speed with which they're passed on, yes. Thanks for the tweak; I appreciate it. Now for a rewrite of the entire article, giving it proper context and scope, and a decent organization that incorporates the practice in all cultures... Drmies (talk) 22:24, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

200 DYK

		The 200 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		"It gives me great pleasure to garland you with this award. Many congratulations are in order." You have shared your interests in a rich variety of topics, passing wisdom in a children's book, Frog and the Birdsong, to name just one. You are an awesome Wikipedian, did you know (20 Febuary)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:49, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

4 users like this. Well done!--kelapstick^(bainuu) 06:19, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WOW .. Very impressive!!! Congrats. — Ched : ? 08:38, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thirded! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

COngratulations! LadyofShalott 14:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And they are high quality too!PumpkinSky talk 09:57, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Simple notification

I quoted you at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/My76Strat 3, and just wanted to bring that to your attention. Nothing bad, but felt I should notify. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 15:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate it, Dennis. Thanks also for bringing the RfA to my attention...I can't support him. Did you see this diff], asked about on the RfA by Kim Dent-Brown? Incomprehensible. Drmies (talk) 19:58, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/SwisterTwister

Sorry about hitting you with rollback there, I made a misclick while checking my watchlist. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 19:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No worries--thanks for letting me know. Drmies (talk) 19:57, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully ...

Mrs. Drmies won't approach from behind and have trouble distinguishing between the vast array of "tushes" available to pinch. That could get quite embarrassing indeed. :-) Chedzilla (talk) 22:35, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then again - considering the long scaly tail attached to my own, I guess I don't need to worry for myself. Chedzilla (talk) 22:37, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We've been married for so long that there is no risk of pinching. That mom at the dentist office this morning, though, that's a different matter. Drmies (talk) 23:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lionel Richie vandalism

Drmies, can you take a quick look at Lionel Richie please - an IP has been continuously vandalising it for the past half-hour. Thanks for your time. INeverCry 00:46, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Sorry no one else seems to have been on call. Drmies (talk) 00:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for taking care of this. INeverCry 00:55, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Declined CSD, socking

Hey Drmies, I saw you (rightly) declined the SD request for Jewish control of Hollywood. Take a look though, if you would, at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Prachursharma. LadyofShalott 00:56, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I cleaned up the refs a bit, the NY times cite was just a blog post referring to the LA times article, etc. It would seem that better sourcing would exist. One of the three sources fail WP:RS soundly, and the other is a bit primary. Obviously not CSD material however, or even AFD material. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 01:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Any thoughts on the socking? LadyofShalott 01:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do have an opinion, yes, and I acted on it. Thanks. The style (citations, See also, etc.) was a giveaway. Drmies (talk) 01:44, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, thank you! I have a feeling that sock drawer will be making itself visible again soon. Someone obviously wants to play games with us. Did you happen upon Katva yet? LadyofShalott 01:57, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did. Etc.! Drmies (talk) 02:09, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh forgot to add, Lady, I'm almost at #2200...trying to work up to the top 2000. Not nearly as impressive as your feat, but you have to start somewhere ;) Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 02:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You can shoot for 1825--the number of pages I have deleted, according to some thingy on my user page. Drmies (talk) 02:23, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted 6 pages. I'm still on quadruple secret CSD probation from my RfA, because my CSD tagging was a wart on the ass of Wikipedia. I bet I'm the only admin to ever get the bit based on a promise to seek mentoring, ha! :) And yes, I'm 100% fulfilling that promise, each week. One more month to go before I'm allowed to walk to halls of CSD without adult supervision. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 02:32, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's a log of how many pages we've deleted? I'm probably close to 50 already. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:45, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pussy. You've been an admin for over a week, haven't you? If you don't make the quota, a clown will eat you. Look on my user page--I don't know how it got there (fo shizzle), but there's a table with stats. I don't know how regularly they're updated either. Always good to see you, Crisco. I thought of you last week, walking by the KIT. Drmies (talk) 04:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You walking around anywhere without adult supervision is scary. Thanks for the nightmares tonight. Bgwhite (talk) 05:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

About user Depak

The worst user I ever seen. Delete his whole account and its associated information(i.e. Depak_Muniraj, User:Depakmuniraj], User_talk:Depakmuniraj, Talk:Depak_Muniraj. It is all nominated for afd. Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Depakmuniraj Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Depak_Muniraj. Please use your administrative power to delete this useless fellows documents immediately.Depakmuniraj (talk) 03:49, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're overreacting. The person Depak Muniraj is simply not notable, and to have a user page that looks exactly like an article is against the rules. You wanted to help, earlier on, with those Articles for Creation edits--that's great. If you look at the link I pointed out to you, and read the stuff and install that script, that's a useful thing you can do. No, this guy is far from the worst user I've ever seen. Drmies (talk) 03:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think Depakmuniraj requested the article to be deleted with this edit. Not sure if that is enough for an outright deletion. An IP editor tried to put a creating editor requests a speedy delete, but forgot to add an extra }. If that was you Depakmuniraj, you need to do that as you as your account created the article.Bgwhite (talk) 05:30, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A recent edit of yours on ANI

Howdy. I was reading WP:ANI and in this section it appears to me that you are dismissing Jorgath's opinion just because he isn't an admin. Is this actually the case or am I misinterpreting what you typed?--Rockfang (talk) 09:04, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Your responses to him here also seem a bit interesting. To me, it appears Jorgath was just trying to help out.--Rockfang (talk) 09:09, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmad Assa Nurcahya

Precedent (I know you enjoy it!) of identical articles, created by same editor, all being deleted as A7 - Muhammad Rifki, Khairul Iqbal Hasbala, Asman Akman, Ali Tallouk, Andro Levandy, Saddam Husain...Giant Snowman 09:56, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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