Fascinating article! A good read in these dark days. Hope you are well. --<font color="#7E2217">[[User:Melty girl|'''''Melty''''']]</font> <font color="#C35817">[[User talk:Melty girl|'''girl''']]</font> 05:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Fascinating article! A good read in these dark days. Hope you are well. --<font color="#7E2217">[[User:Melty girl|'''''Melty''''']]</font> <font color="#C35817">[[User talk:Melty girl|'''girl''']]</font> 05:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:I just read it myself. One of the best wikipedia articles I've seen in a long time. Nice work! [[User:Coemgenus|Coemgenus]] 14:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
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This user has contributed 57 articles to the Did you know? section on the Main Page.
List of recessions in the United States, Featured List, October 24, 2009
Panic of 1907, Featured Article, October 15, 2008, on Main Page, October 23, 2008
Tulip mania, Featured Article, August 17, 2008, on Main Page, September 30, 2008
Zelda Fitzgerald, Featured Article, June 3, 2008
Ryan White, Featured Article, January 31, 2008, on Main Page, August 17, 2008
Sumatran Rhinoceros, Featured Article, January 7, 2008
Javan Rhinoceros, Featured Article, November 18, 2007
Ban Ki-moon, Featured Article, September 11, 2007, on Main Page, February 24, 2008
Pygmy Hippopotamus, Featured Article, August 14, 2007, on Main Page, August 15, 2008
Hippopotamus, Featured Article, July 30, 2007, on Main Page, June 27, 2009
Your holyness,1000s are watching this, but I fear they not fear us enough. We could cut off his hands or feeth or someting, as long as its dramatic; what do you reckon? Your holyness. xxxx Ceoilsláinte22:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting brother. I meant feath (Feet: faeth: sorry carnt spell) (I know now a frew guys on NAI so dont worry), but teeth sounds interesting too. Lets just let it for the moment and let the excitment carry us to whereever it takes us. This is suppoesed to be fun; lets not think too much, eh? xxxx Ceoilsláinte23:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How reassured I was to read you message and see that you have not lost the run of your self and know your palce in the social order: Third. There is hope for our friend yet, you understand the events of the last few days only occured because I am dreadfully bored and wanted to amuse myself. I have not yet decided if blood is needed to sate my curosity as to how far my subjects worship me. It seems likely though. I had been hoping to get a little nudity aout of this, but saw your likeness on Laura's page. Thanks, but no thanks. Ceoilsláinte18:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Shit, I thought all that business was forgotten about. I have to say that the Fat Man is one of my favourite editors and I'll always make exceptions for him regardless of how heavy he has been hitting the cake. Whatever did happen to Isolation booth's cute little tail, by the way? Ceoilsláinte19:12, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, there was a brilliant moral in this! My apologies for saying you were stringing along. The moral then, applies to me too. But you will never put Hank Rearden in jail, second-hander. Whiskeydog (talk) 03:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes (in reply to earlier random comment I just noticed on my talk page), it's always fun to see how long a fair-use image stays on a talk page. Automation--we'd be cavemen slavemen without it. Now, more to the point of me stopping by, it's clear you have no interest in letting anyone add trivia to edit the panic of 1907 [1], so you're getting close to going back on The List. Whiskeydog (talk) 06:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
JayHenry, you get around more than me - is this where we're going with referencing now? This is the scariest thing I've seen in article space yet, and it actually confirms my personal reductio ad absurdum of the sensibility here, in which this site will no longer be an encyclopedia per se, but rather it will consist of sets of clauses marked up in wiki-code that indicate what source they've been paraphrased from. This horrible prognostication of mine is the formalization of an "article" (a human, written thing) into an "object" (a computer programming entity having defined attributes and behaviors). We're going to end up with "articles" that are really "database records", aren't we? Is anyone going to stop this? I don't go around saying I'm smart, but am I really the only one who can conceptualize any of this and see why there's a problem? Or have the rest just left wikipedia, or never joined? It's a worry, and I'm not doing the rhetorical glib routine here (except for the rhetorical questions, of course, at the end!) Whiskeydog (talk) 09:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great job on the Panic article. I also read the Bruner and Carr book and wanted to add a lot of the info from there, but haven't had the time. I may come behind you with a few additions, but keep up the good work. I'm a former JPM analyst and have visited his library, hence the interest.--Robertknyc (talk) 19:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Jay, I was hired at JPM in 1994 a little after the book came out, but didn't get a copy...perhaps that's a newer policy. I have the book now and haven't quite finished it but have read the sections on Pierpont. As for the Dow data, I have it through my quote service. I could send you a file of the raw data if you're good at making charts out of it. Otherwise, I could try myself though I'm not sure of how it looks. The chart I use has a copyright attached to it and probably wouldn't be allowed.
On the Dow chart, yes, I guess I'd just use the weekly closing price instead of the way you have it. You also need to note on the chart that it's the Dow Industrials, and then "weekly close" assuming you go with that. Also, you need to divide the price scale by 10. CQG data do not have a decimal point, so in reality the Dow in 1907 peaked at 103, not 1030. The time frame you chose looks good. Finally, I think I'd go with a white background instead of black, and use a dark color for the prices. If you only have the option of a black background, then use a white or yellow line for price. Thanks for doing it.
--Robertknyc (talk) 03:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Most people in technical analysis are used to either a line chart of closing prices, or a bar chart with OHLC. Having all three superimposed in different colors is a very non-standard format, so while it would be nice to have the total range for the week I think all the different colors are a little unusual. Does Excel have a chart wizard that can make bar charts? If you're not familiar with Excel I guess I can take a look, though I'm a novice with it. --Robertknyc (talk) 04:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you already know more about Excel than I do, so I'll defer to you on that. I think I like the tighter time frame on the first chart to highlight more closely the 1907 period. Obviously we can edit the posted chart at any time, and perhaps someone with some good charting software will show up who can create a bar chart.
So you're going to stick with the OHLC? I noticed one more thing, can you tighten the y-axis scale, say from 350-400 instead of 0 on the bottom, and 1100 on the high side instead of 1200? That would blow up the data a bit more so it would be easier to see.
--Robertknyc (talk) 05:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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FWIW, I requested Tulip Mania for Sept. 30 for "Today's Featured Article."
I count 4 points, no real date applicability, but with the current financial crisis
there is a "current" connection. 2 supports and no opposes so far, but we'll see how it goes.
I'd guess that the nominator makes 3 supports, but that other article editors wouldn't really add to the totals.
Thank you for supporting my RfA nomination, JayHenry. Your kind words and speaking up for me after questions were raised about my "punishment" comment on the hoax issue were greatly appreciated. I must say, though, that despite some criticisms I received, the comment that most concerned me was your note about having thought I was a woman! I guess my "muy macho" persona doesn't come through in print. Anyway, thanks again for the support. Cbl62 (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi J, can you help me? (yet again) I want to upload this modofied plan Image:Modified WinterPalace.jpg onto the {{template Winter Palace}, there are a few more rooms (Number 42 onwards)plus I have changed a colour scheme - I thought as it was only a modified version of the original it would just upload on top, and work just the same but it won't! Is it a lot of work - t0 change it? Giano (talk) 12:40, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
thanks
Thanks for the 25 DYK medal and your kind words. I am looking forward to the next 25 too, although there's still a long way to go to reach Thucydides, I am afraid ;). Cheers, take care, and keep up your own very good work! Constantine ✍ 22:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They finally put Tulip mania up on the schedule for tommorrow (almost today). With
today's (yesterday's) vote on the bailout plan and -777 on the DJIA, it looks like it's gone up on probably the most interesting day possible!
I've read Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-09/Dispatches on how to monitor changes during the day. We'll see what happens. Frankly, I expect that there might be some problems with people calling today(y) a crash of unprecedented proportions, the sky is falling, and saying the article has an ostrich-like POV. Not to get too defensive, but I worked a lot on an article that became known as January 2008 stock market volatility trying to convince people that the world had not ended on Martin Luther King's birthday. (See the 1st day's edits, the article then was known as Black Monday (2008)).
Hey that was fun. Now off the main page. "12 bottles of beer (was) were drunk" is actually a matter of style (I'd guess our MOS allows both). Thanks. Smallbones (talk) 00:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I am reviewing your article, Panic of 1907, for GA. I have read it through and think that it is a wonderful, fascinating article. I saw a few very minor prose issues which I will list on the review page tomorrow, although with anything else that I pick up on. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 23:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This may be not be the right reference for you but...
wat? Facepalm. This is what happens when you have people with social welfare functions that have a 2-6 year horizon determining long run fiscal policy. Let's make a 700 billion dollar spending bill which was obviously going to be financed by borrowing and attach tax cuts to it, which will cause other spending to be financed by borrowing. On top of that, let's make those tax cuts temporary so that the change in the consumption function is ~0. Awesome. Protonk (talk) 18:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks
thumb|Unfortunately, this is a "fair use" image
Yeah, CSD may not be the best place - but the question is where is anyplace that would deal with this? The Jan.21st article was a nightmare (and linked to the news section on the main page). Editors would write "Al Jezeera said it was a crash" or "OK, it didn't crash more today, but let's wait until tomorrow," and "If you don't like the article, go for an AFD" which of course would take a week. Just check out talk:January 2008 stock market volatility.
I'll write a proposed guideline, if anybody can tell me where it fits. I don't think I could write a template however. Maybe a big purple box saying "Wikipedia cannot offer investment advice, nor can it predict the direction of the stock market. If you are interpreting this article as saying that a stock market crash is ongoing and that you should panic, either you or the article is terribly wrong." Maybe include a picture from the cover of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. I'm done - enough venting for today. BTW, I left you a message on Protonk's talk page about "salt and matches." Smallbones (talk) 03:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the RFA is going down in flames, which I kind of expected, but your stated reason surprised me. What makes you feel that I can't disengage? Aside from maintaining some of the redirects as stable, I don't participate in fiction much any more. I debate things on the various RFCs and guidelines, and got involved a bit when I saw some of the recent AFDs turning into anti-TTN rallies, but I don't wade into that mess anymore. I feel pretty disengaged.—Kww(talk) 13:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To argue that Phil Sandifer and I don't get along well isn't completely untrue. We get along better than that particular exchange would indicate. We even had an interesting debate as to whether his proposed changes to WP:N would actually make me notable (scroll down a bit).
As for Bulbasaur, it was the edit war during January, when people undid the redirect to the list of Pokemon, and started screaming that Bulbasaur was more notable than other Pokemon that soured me, and was the source of the quoted comment. Point of fact, it isn't. There are still no third-party sources in that article that directly discuss Bulbasaur (with the exception of one joke about pesto) ... it's all Nintendo licensed material. A small group of editors decided that they didn't have to follow the same guidelines as everyone else, and that they could have an article on their favorite topic simply because they wanted one. All I asked then, and now, is that someone demonstrate the existence of a few independent, third-party sources that examine Bulbasaur directly and in detail. Until such sources can be produced, there shouldn't be an article. And yes, I have a very low opinion of editors that say I don't care what WP:N says, I'm going to keep undoing the redirect on this article and you can't stop me, or pile on to AFDs about the article falsely claiming that it meets WP:N when in fact, it does not.—Kww(talk) 16:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good work
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I just wanted to let you know that I understand that your opposition was in good faith, and thank for your comments on how unreasonable the forest fire became in response to your single match.
I'm going to try to interpret this resounding defeat as a statement that I should choose my words more carefully in the future, and remember that every statement I make gets recorded forever, just waiting to get carefully transcribed onto my next RFA. I would go insane if I believed that it was repudiation of what I truly meant: that no editor should consciously and willfully ignore guidelines and policies, and editors that repeatedly do so should not be rewarded for or supported in doing so.
Hey, Jay! Life is busy-good, I'm enjoying it. How about yourself? I see you've been busy, what with timely economic articles and such. Funny you ask, because one of my favorite papers I wrote in undergrad was about Marlow and his view on women. Here are some sources from a precursory search (some are available via NetLibrary and/or Googlebooks):
Billy, Ted. "Heart of Darkness (1899)". A Joseph Conrad Companion. Westport, Conn. : Greenwood Press, 1999.
Bloom, Harold. Marlow: Major Literary Characters. New York: Chelsea House Publishers, 1992.
Bock, Martin. Joseph Conrad and Psychological Medicine. Lubbock: Texas Tech University Press, 2002.
Schwarz, Daniel R. Rereading Conrad. Columbia University of Missouri Press, 2001.
Simmons, Allan. "The Marlow Trilogy: Youth, Heart of Darkness and Lord Jim". Joseph Conrad. Houndmills, Basingstoke, Hampshire ; New York : Palgrave Macmillan, 2006.
That's as far as I got, but there's quite a few biographies on Conrad that just love to talk about his alter ego. These are ones I was able to peek at and seemed to have some great insight into the character, and not just the connection with Conrad himself. Hope this helps! Let me know if you need more. María(habla conmigo) 12:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, dear Brit
Thats beyond the beyond, my friend, but as you are so damn pretty I'll let it slide. I have to say its great to see finance realted articles being pushed, and if you ever find your self short of a copieditor who cant spell copiedito; i'm here. ......o.i..c..elsláinte08:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Jay I have a very strong feeling that if we focus in on 1907 and carry it through to mainpage, it precience would do alot for the site's crediability, in fact I would go as far to say that journalists would pick up on it. Most of the reviewers have mentioned timelyness, and its very true, and we should capatilise on it. Ceoilsláinte15:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Any reasonable person would throw this up on main page, with pleasure, given the current economic climate. Its a great and accessable article; we should maximise it potential. Without wanting to be glib, nobody really gives a fuck about the daffodile market, but they care about this stuff. Ceoilsláinte15:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Right. I'd nom at WP:TFAR on the sole basis that the article is very closely related to a major global event, and on that alone. By November 4th, god knows what will have happened. By the way I love the way the Whiskeydog account provides a nice handly link to its talk page, but if you post there, they will get an admin to just delete it; woosh and your gone ;).Ceoilsláinte20:52, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Saw your message on User talk:Protonk re being pessimistic: "If a paragraph explanation of short selling still comes across as an abstract area of finance I'm definitely worry about explaining fixed income arbitrage, Over-the-counter derivative/swap trading, etc. to the FAC crowd."
The key is to have a bunch of explanatory sub articles to wikilink to. I worked on several Indian architecture articles using architectural terms in languages like Kannada, Tamil etc. FAC cried out "explain what that means!", so I wrote little sub articles just big enough to explain each term. A little bit easier there, as I could find pictures from India of temple features to illustrate. But still, the time has come for people to understand finance. Even Tony at FAC was surprisingly mild, once he got over his initial flip out over the word "antitrust" in your article (which he say "even Americans" probably didn't understand).
FAC's first reaction was "oh, its American, so I'm not expected to know about it". But I think your article gave them pause to consider maybe this is something they really should have a grasp of.
I tried to do little articles on "bear squeeze" and "rich man's panic" but couldn't find references quickly enough for your FAC. I hope you consider doing some of these articles you are talking about. I would even get some books and attempt to understand finance in order to help out. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 02:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unlikely I'd say, although worth a thread on WR and ANI; maybe even an RfA: just for the sheer juice. Whatever happend to Sidaway, anyway.Ceoilsláinte10:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My point exactly, Casliber. Jay wouldn't be inclined to explode thing out of proportion. By the way, its been a poor mushroom season here this october; and luck down under? ...sláinteCeoilsláinte10:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I even took a photo before I cooked them....
Autumn 2007 was huge here, but 2008 was not so crash hot, but it is funny, if we have a warm-hot spring and lots of rain, it tricks lots of the northern hemisphere introduced species like Lactarius deliciosus and Suillus luteus into fruiting under the pine plantations in spring. otherwise we wait till easter. I find both these ok-ish, but much prefer Pleurotus eryngii, which are hitting the markets big-time here (yum), and there are always dried morels and porcini (also yum), I had dried Boletus badius the other day which was milder than procini but nice in a different way, and Wood Blewits are being cultivated here and sold, now they are yummy...No-one really eats native Oz species as almost all are of unknown edibility. Cheers, Casliber (talk·contribs) 10:54, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There will be no 'shrooms this Christmas. Bone dry here, unfortuniatly. Its been both humid and wet, but not enough of either to get the blighters to grow. I'm seruosly considering changing hemisphere ...sláinte Ceoilsláinte11:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Summer here will mean a few boleti and amanitas may pop up after rain, none that I would be game to eat of course. There are a crop of Phlebopus marginatus, a giant funny bolete-type thing, nearby which seem to pop up in the spring for some reason..Cheers, Casliber (talk·contribs) 12:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have less interst in the taste of the things than in their
Ah well, if its those you want, Australia is fairly flush with them....they are some of the native people that folks do consume (was not thinking on this track at all above...) oh well... 8D (supposed to be a google-eyed figure having a ball)...I think I will go and edit something really uplifting now...Cheers, Casliber (talk·contribs) 13:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking of both actually Casliber; that was just a cheap joke. Have been picking mushrooms since I was 2, and lsitening to auld women calling the end of the earth for sure following the end of a bad harvest since I was 3. Ceoilsláinte13:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the record JayHenry's Attorney (talk·contribs) is not me, nor is it an authorized legal agent under the employ of (I, the undersigned) Jay Henry . I have made many enemies over the years, and it's no surprise that one of them would register an account designed to get me in trouble, and then come along and make useful copy edits to an article I was just working on. My default position--which I take against any and all mischief, baffoonery, and diablerie--remains to endorse community ban against this and all ne'er-do-wells. --JayHenry (talk) 14:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
JayHenry, hello. I understood that you would consult with me before the attempt to drive User:Ceoil from Wikipedia was initiated. (This was of course why I signed up for a Wikipedia account, at your suggestion. Your editing tips came in handy at the Featured Article you showed me with some pride at the office. Well done, I suppose.) In law, we have a saying: What is done cannot be undone (que proventii n'etre pas reparii, in Latin, I suppose, ha ha). Please note that regardless of my firm's role in the proceedings, the stipulated rate will apply. Removing the enemies list, which we agreed was prudent, was to be completed by my administrative assistant. Please note that her standard rate will apply. If you will require further service from Drexell Burnam Lamberdt, please contact me (try the talk page, I suppose, if you're feeling brave, ha ha). I have enjoyed working with you. Sincerely, JayHenry's Attorney (talk) 04:37, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Postscript: the text generic which you were to employ--"Oh no! He and I were just ____ around! I wasn't serious when I gave him the ____. He's not _____ me at all. Please ____ him!"--remains the intellectual property of my organization, though I must say, it was put to particularly good use here. ;-) (I believe the kids use punctuation to indicate emotion online nowadays--better that they indicate it while they still have some, I suppose.) JayHenry's Attorney (talk) 04:58, 19
October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll probably join in on LTCM. I think I've already gotten through with "When Genius Failed" but will have to review it. The list on the talk page looks good. Though I think Lowenstein is usually very good, his book (if I remember correctly) pushes the "perfect storm theory" - that they knew what they were doing, but, well, a one in a million chance came along and blew it for them. I never trust the perfect storm analogy. We'll see what happens. As far as the "I can't edit..." - well I can't even read some of the current econ situation articles - where to start? who is going to be offended? etc. They are probably better than I remember, but..
