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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama_on_Twitter&oldid=501940215 The prior version] was an attempt to broaden the scope of this article. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama_on_Twitter&oldid=501944863 This current version] is too narrow and about Twitter use by Obama. [[Communications of Barack Obama]] seems like a good choice, but people want [[Barack Obama on social media]]. However, this article can't stay forever as an article about one thing. This article needs broader scope, like use of Blackberry, YouTube, Facebook, etc. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 21:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC) |
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama_on_Twitter&oldid=501940215 The prior version] was an attempt to broaden the scope of this article. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama_on_Twitter&oldid=501944863 This current version] is too narrow and about Twitter use by Obama. [[Communications of Barack Obama]] seems like a good choice, but people want [[Barack Obama on social media]]. However, this article can't stay forever as an article about one thing. This article needs broader scope, like use of Blackberry, YouTube, Facebook, etc. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 21:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC) |
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:This is again attempt to avert process. The prior version was a post-AFD attempt to overhaul an article out of frustration that it survived an AFD. The current article is the stable version. The prior version was a rushed [[WP:LEAD]] augmentation without any change to the prose in the body.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) </small> 21:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC) |
:This is again attempt to avert process. The prior version was a post-AFD attempt to overhaul an article out of frustration that it survived an AFD. The current article is the stable version. The prior version was a rushed [[WP:LEAD]] augmentation without any change to the prose in the body.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) </small> 21:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC) |
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::I have declined the RFC tag because this is becoming a matter of content dispute. If this goes any further, I'm taking this to [[WP:dispute resolution noticeboard]]. However, there you must be calm! --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 21:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC) |
::<s>I have declined the RFC tag because this is becoming a matter of content dispute. If this goes any further, I'm taking this to [[WP:dispute resolution noticeboard]]. However, there you must be calm! --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 21:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)</s> <p> Never mind; the noticeboard is for simple disputes. This is too complex. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 21:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC) |
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Twitter activity about Obama other than him and staff running his accunts
Do things like the July 4th, 2011 Obama death hoax and his Jackass statement seem germane to this page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:45, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Titodutta (talk · contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'll keep on adding points as I'll go.
- Active participation of nominator and primary contributors of this article will be highly appreciated.
- Add {{Done}} etc templates below when you have completed a requested task! Similarly you can add {{Not done}} etc! --Tito Dutta ✉ 21:35, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- If no one joins the discussion, after waiting for few days, I'll try to to finish the review quickly by adding all the points.
- If you see I (reviewer) is not active in the review discussion, please send me a message in my talk page to ping me!
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That's all, hope to have a good discussion ahead!
Section 01
- Disambiguation links
Fix disambiguation links. I have tagged in the article! --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Number of followers!
As of 12 June 2012, Obama's account ranked 6th in terms of followers with 16,505,044 followers the reference you have added actually odes not verify the statement, since it is an older document, I think editor here has written the number from directly Obama's Twitter profile, that's alright, but, ref 2, in that case is not very helpful! --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:13, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Will this matter after a day or two?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:19, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I was suggesting to replace the ref! --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:45, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have added some refs.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I was suggesting to replace the ref! --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:45, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Screenshot of the profile
Well, will it be possible anyhow to add a screenshot of the profile (in infobox) under fair use? --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:15, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't understand the question.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I mean, don't you think it'll be better if we add a screenshot of (part of) Obama's Twitter profile somewhere in the article (infobox?), the way we add Facebook, Gmail, Blogeger screenshot! --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Since other Gaga and Bieber's pages didn't do it, I didn't. I could, but is it necessary?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Just created a screenshot.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Looking great now! I feel we don't need the full URL in caption of the screenshot, since it is in URL section which is right after it! And add date "Screenshot of Barack Obama's profile on "date"" because he can change theme etc anytime! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:40, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Also show only Twitter profile, not your Windows XP screen! Crop in MS Paint!--Tito Dutta ✉ 02:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I was on my XP machine because it is fullscreen, which shows more tweets at (1600x1200) than my Windows 7 machine which is widescreen (1600x900). I produced an F11 view so that all the excess is hidden and cropped the scrollbar.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:55, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Open the image in MS Paint, Photoshop, Krita any photo editor you have, crop only Twitter screen. There are some good extensions in Firefox, Chrome, but, if you are using Internet Explorer, sorry, I don't know about that browser. Let me know if I can help to upload a new version of the image! --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I use paint. You mean crop away the background. I think we want to show them what his timeline looks like with the background. Note that there is content in his background including links to other accounts.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- You have done it, I did not notice. It seems you have taken a new screenshot (in image previously "146 days until election", now it is "145 days until election"). Everything is fine here! --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC) --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I use paint. You mean crop away the background. I think we want to show them what his timeline looks like with the background. Note that there is content in his background including links to other accounts.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Open the image in MS Paint, Photoshop, Krita any photo editor you have, crop only Twitter screen. There are some good extensions in Firefox, Chrome, but, if you are using Internet Explorer, sorry, I don't know about that browser. Let me know if I can help to upload a new version of the image! --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I was on my XP machine because it is fullscreen, which shows more tweets at (1600x1200) than my Windows 7 machine which is widescreen (1600x900). I produced an F11 view so that all the excess is hidden and cropped the scrollbar.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:55, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Also show only Twitter profile, not your Windows XP screen! Crop in MS Paint!--Tito Dutta ✉ 02:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Looking great now! I feel we don't need the full URL in caption of the screenshot, since it is in URL section which is right after it! And add date "Screenshot of Barack Obama's profile on "date"" because he can change theme etc anytime! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:40, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Just created a screenshot.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Since other Gaga and Bieber's pages didn't do it, I didn't. I could, but is it necessary?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I mean, don't you think it'll be better if we add a screenshot of (part of) Obama's Twitter profile somewhere in the article (infobox?), the way we add Facebook, Gmail, Blogeger screenshot! --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Twitter first letter cap or small?
I think there is some confusion. Are you using first letter cap or first letter small in the word "Twitter"?--Tito Dutta ✉ 01:22, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Infobox
It is not directly related to this GA. But still, since there are multiple articles on "Twitter profiles" now on Wikipedia (and hopefully we'll create few/many more too, can you/anyone create a special infobox for this. Currently you are using Infobox website, but that is not the best choice here, for example "Users 16 million" it is confusing, should be "Follower 16 millions". It is better to write "Account created" than "Launched" etc. --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:22, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have created Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Twitter_user_infobox.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Section 02
- Citation needed
Please add one or two citation in second part of lead. --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:45, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Date format
Use either DMY or MDY! --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:55, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Don't link article Obama/Barack Obama in every caption! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I thought each WP:CAPTION was suppose to describe its subject?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:40, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, but it is creating a minor overlink problem? Do you think readers will need Barack Obama article link everywhere? it is a short article, readers can easily find the link! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:48, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Similar problem with Twitter, Town hall etc! Please note, both Town hall and Town hall meeting are linked to same article! CNBC has been linked twice (though I ignored it). There is a script to find duplicate links (though it was not very helpful here) User:Ucucha/duplinks.js --Tito Dutta ✉ 22:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- WP:CAPTIONs are allowed to have redundant links. They are suppose to stand alone and may repeat links from the article and other CAPTIONs. I have removed redundant links of common terms from CAPTIONs, but not all terms.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Okay! Town hall meeting page is a stub with no reference and almost nothing to read, has been linked thrice. -Tito Dutta ✉ 23:08, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- O.K. delinked Town Hall meeting.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, but it is creating a minor overlink problem? Do you think readers will need Barack Obama article link everywhere? it is a short article, readers can easily find the link! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:48, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Image alt
Add image alt in at least 1-2 images. See WP:ALT for help! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:50, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have added ALT text.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Launched/Account created
1) Launched: March 5, 2007 @ 16:08:25– I have seen the reference but could not understand are they following (any) US time or UTC like Wikipedia? 2) Also is it necessary to add an @ there before time since we are using @ for Twitter "@ mentions"--Tito Dutta ✉ 02:55, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Not sure about time zone. Likely, either pacific or Twitter user preference (mine is U.S. central).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- removed @.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Section 03
- Following
We have number of followers in article, can you add the number of accounts Barack Obamama'a account following? Obama's account is following more than a half million account. --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:59, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Added.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:18, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Number of tweets
Can you include number of tweets? As of June 12, 2012 there are 4,255 tweets in his accounts. If we can create an infobox it'll be easier to add these information! --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Added.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:18, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Ref 11
this article has spelled @WhiteHouse, but in Wikipedia article we have spelled @whitehouse. I don't know if Twitter mentions/tags are case sensitive, but, let's follow the reference! What do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Stat (table/section)
Can you add a stat table/(section) in the article, as it has been done here. We can add stat of every 3 months! Will it be possible? --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:35, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- That seems very WP:ORish to me. I think we are suppose to cite updated stats as they appear in WP:RS.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:41, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- The article badly needs a stat section/table/at least paragraph. Currently there is no way to learn the basic stats other than reading the full article --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have added details regarding numbers to the main body, but I think a table is still WP:OR.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Still not satisfactory. In infobox there is not sufficient information. One needs to read the whole article to learn basic stats. But, generally if someone curious about someone else's Twitter account, (s)he will want too learn basic stats! --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:40, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- This is not an article about how many followers the president has. It is an article about his broader use of and presence on Twitter. That subject does not give us license to create an OR table. Unless there are WP:RSs that regularly chronicle his totals, we can not create a table.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with Tony. Unless it is verified by a reliable source, it doesn't really belong here. Statυs (talk) 04:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, if we can create infobox (section 07 below), that'll be helpful! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:39, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with Tony. Unless it is verified by a reliable source, it doesn't really belong here. Statυs (talk) 04:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- This is not an article about how many followers the president has. It is an article about his broader use of and presence on Twitter. That subject does not give us license to create an OR table. Unless there are WP:RSs that regularly chronicle his totals, we can not create a table.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Still not satisfactory. In infobox there is not sufficient information. One needs to read the whole article to learn basic stats. But, generally if someone curious about someone else's Twitter account, (s)he will want too learn basic stats! --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:40, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have added details regarding numbers to the main body, but I think a table is still WP:OR.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- The article badly needs a stat section/table/at least paragraph. Currently there is no way to learn the basic stats other than reading the full article --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- As of May 2012 infobox
As of May 2012– what? Is it footnote of number of followers (there is not any star to indicate)? But, in lead you have written stat of June 12! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:37, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- The asof date is for the data in the infobox. I have updated it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- In current infobox there is only one thing that will change every month (number of followers), other infos will not change (so frequently)! --Tito Dutta ✉ 21:42, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Aren't we hoping that eventually, they will provide us with two more fields for following and tweets? What change are you suggesting. I think we should leave the asof date. It is important for data that changes continually.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:21, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am disappointed to see the responses to your template for creation suggestion. I am not very sure if it is going to be created now. So, how we are going to add number of tweets and following in infobox?
- I think we can get them to add parameters to the existing template. Be patient.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have posted against this suggestion. I don't understand why some people are thinking these articles are crap! --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- It'll be helpful if you can add some blank/custom fields in the template. I am not very experienced on using non-preset fields!--Tito Dutta ✉ 04:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't code templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:44, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Can not understand properly! If you can add/have extra parameters added in template (as you said above), I feel it'll be better if we can add some not prefixed parameters (modules, labels), I don't know it properly! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:50, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- If you want to retract your statement there we might have a chance, but I think your statement was correct.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Discussed further in section 07 below! --Tito Dutta ✉ 08:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Can not understand properly! If you can add/have extra parameters added in template (as you said above), I feel it'll be better if we can add some not prefixed parameters (modules, labels), I don't know it properly! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:50, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't code templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:44, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- It'll be helpful if you can add some blank/custom fields in the template. I am not very experienced on using non-preset fields!--Tito Dutta ✉ 04:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have posted against this suggestion. I don't understand why some people are thinking these articles are crap! --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I think we can get them to add parameters to the existing template. Be patient.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am disappointed to see the responses to your template for creation suggestion. I am not very sure if it is going to be created now. So, how we are going to add number of tweets and following in infobox?
- Aren't we hoping that eventually, they will provide us with two more fields for following and tweets? What change are you suggesting. I think we should leave the asof date. It is important for data that changes continually.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:21, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Section 04
- Controversies
He has been the subject of various controversies on Twitter. – this has been added in article lead, but, the word "controversy" has been used only twice (including this one). And after reading the article, I can not understand those "various controversies". Why don't you make it more clear or create a sub-section (h3) etc? --Tito Dutta ✉ 21:48, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Created a subsection.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:13, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- In controversy sub section, the first think you have written is 2009 account hijack. It was an accident (but controversy)? --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:51, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Anything that results in an FTC settlement is a controversy, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- P.S. I have modified the subsection name to be consistent with Gaga and Bieber.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:36, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- In controversy sub section, the first think you have written is 2009 account hijack. It was an accident (but controversy)? --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:51, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Image position
Can you put the first image of a section at right side and second image at left side? --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:51, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am trying to alternate sides with the pictures. Also, if you are viewing at high resolution (I use 1600 pixels wide), swapping sides causes a problem in the page layout.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:57, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Put first image of the section at right side and next image at left side! Generally we read l–r and t–b! Most probably read somewhere in MOS page, the first image of a section should be at right! --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Rearranged images per suggestion.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Put first image of the section at right side and next image at left side! Generally we read l–r and t–b! Most probably read somewhere in MOS page, the first image of a section should be at right! --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Similar images
All three images are of July 6, 2011. It seems the article is on "Barack Obama on Twitter on July 06, 2011". --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:53, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Unless there are pictures from May 24, 2012, that is all we have. I will check for May 24, 2012 pictures.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Added May 24 image.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Other twitter issues subsection
You are using Twitter (first letter cap). The section title is inappropriate! Can you try to find a better name? --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:56, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- What do you think of renaming it? --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am open to suggestions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Actually there is more stats (Obama's followers, their country, account activity). so, I feel "Other Twitter issues" title is not applicable here! Only "Other issues" (nay, not good suggestion), I'll think on it if you can not find any alternative! --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am open to suggestions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- What do you think of renaming it? --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Image
File:Obama responding to tweets.jpg– it is not suitable in "Ranking" section! --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am merely distributing the pictures since we have several to spread around.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- In my suggestion delete that image, or move it to infobox (since in this image face of Obama is clearly visible) and delete the infobox image! What do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I think we should use all the images that we have for now. We can reassess once I try to squeeze a graph in somewhere.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:17, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I think we have all the images in place now. The infobox is working. We have the graph (although it might need some minor adjustments). I don't see why any need to be removed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:24, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I think we should use all the images that we have for now. We can reassess once I try to squeeze a graph in somewhere.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:17, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- In my suggestion delete that image, or move it to infobox (since in this image face of Obama is clearly visible) and delete the infobox image! What do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Section 05
- Graph image
Like Lady Gaga on Twitter article, can you add a graph in the article? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:01, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- My source only goes back 6 months. I could augment that with data from the prose. I'll see what I can do.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:45, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have gone through all the sources. Here are the details that I have found in reliable sources: 20091116 2.65, 20100523 4.0, 20110516 7.4, 20110910 10.0, 20120306 12.84. I guess I can make a graph with these datapoints and the current total.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Although I can create a graph using this data, I feel that it may be trouble to maintain and question its propriety.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Graph is created and included. I am not sure it isn't WP:OR.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Can you send me the raw data by email? I'll see, if I can do something! --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- It is a few lines above 20091116 is in YYYYMMDD format. Use all those data points and the current numbers. That will give you 6 data points.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:07, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think I'll be able to collect exact data (points) from the chart! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am talking about my comment above made at 06:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think I'll be able to collect exact data (points) from the chart! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- It is a few lines above 20091116 is in YYYYMMDD format. Use all those data points and the current numbers. That will give you 6 data points.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:07, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Although I can create a graph using this data, I feel that it may be trouble to maintain and question its propriety.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have gone through all the sources. Here are the details that I have found in reliable sources: 20091116 2.65, 20100523 4.0, 20110516 7.4, 20110910 10.0, 20120306 12.84. I guess I can make a graph with these datapoints and the current total.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I got your ping. The data is above. I will lay it out cleaner for you
- 20091116 2.65
- 20100523 4.0
- 20110516 7.4
- 20110910 10.0
- 20120306 12.84--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:42, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- History section renaming
History of an organization or nation etc– I can understand, but "History" of a Twitter profile sounds peculiar! Can you rename it? I have only suggestion at this moment "Timeline ". See if you can think any other alternative. --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Timeline is not appropriate here, since the Timeline is a specific form of jargon. How about usage history?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:48, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Usage history– not very good– what's about "Profile history" or "Account history"? --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:09, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- This section does not document the history of the account profile, it documents the history of the account usage by Obama.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:14, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Then rename it Account usage history or something similar! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:43, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Then rename it Account usage history or something similar! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- This section does not document the history of the account profile, it documents the history of the account usage by Obama.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:14, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Usage history– not very good– what's about "Profile history" or "Account history"? --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:09, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- History/Timeline section rewrite
Launched on March 5, 2007 at 16:08:25 – this should be in History/Timeline (at least I as a reader want to see like this (that History section is starting with "the account was created...."), but it is in "Ranking" currently. --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- rearranged.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Copyright status
Copyright and category to be added in this image File:20120524 POTUS Tweeting cropped.jpg --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:05, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Copyrighted.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Add category too! And does the source of image reliable enough to prove Obama is tweeting in that image?-Tito Dutta ✉ 05:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Category added. The source is the White House photographer's twitter feed linked from an article about the event. Yes it is reliable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Add category too! And does the source of image reliable enough to prove Obama is tweeting in that image?-Tito Dutta ✉ 05:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Section 06
- Caption
Can you rewrite the caption of File:Kanye-West-grabs-the-mic-2009-vma.jpg this image, don't start with "When"! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Ref 24 broken
Ref 24 is broken in the article it needs to be corrected! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:09, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Fixed by a bot! --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Image position
Change positions of the images, currently it is L-R-L-R. You can change it to R-L-R-L! Currently it is creating indents in the beginning of (first two) sections! --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- The problem with changing is that at high resolution, switching sides for all the images will lead to squeezing down at the top. I moved the blackberries in hand image up a bit, which will eliminate one indent for many medium to low res views.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- We'll see it after adding/revising all images! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:34, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Fourth
On May 23, 2010 Obama was fourth with about 4 million followers. – Obama was fourth or his account? And fourth in what? Clarification needed! --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- @BarackObama
administration and @barackobama is for his election campaign staff.– we are writing @BarackObama. --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:26, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Which account 01
The account is "run by #Obama2012 campaign staff. Tweets from the President are signed -bo." Although his staff does most of his tweeting, Obama became active on the account in June 2011, tweeting under his own initials. – Two consecutive sentences with "the account" making it difficult to understand which account? @WhiteHouse or @BarackObama? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Which account 02
On January 5, 2009, Obama's campaign account was among several celebrity accounts that was hacked and hijacked. – can you mention in bracket which account – @WhiteHouse or @BarackObama? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Section 07 Infobox creation
We have been discussing on having a unique infobox since infobox website is pretty useless here. I am starting a draft of infobox below. I have just added basic data in the infobox, we need to change styles/colours etc.There are lots of options to customize this template, Help me to modify this infobox. --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
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![]() June 13, 2012 screenshot of @BarackObama timeline Replace the image with File:@BarackObama screenshot.jpg | |
Account created | March 5, 2007 16:08:25[1] |
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Followers | 16.5 million |
Following | 677,188 |
Tweets | 4,239 tweets |
Profile URL | www |
As of June 12, 2012 | |
Comments
- Part 1
I don't think I would include hacking incidents in the infobox.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, remove it! And add anything else you want! --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Should we include most accounts followed?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Your wish! But, I think, this infobox will be better than infobox website. What do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Can you make a template from that? Why don't you just swap that in?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:39, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I can not understand this, I did not know about this template, I was searching for an alternative and found it just now! --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I will ask at WP:RT if someone can help.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:48, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Do we really need another infobox? Since we have found this infobox at last, we can use it directly, what do you think? And note, there is only one fair use rationale in the screenshot file. I thought of replacing the screenshot from this page after completing this part of discussion. Not sure if you can post it in Wikipedia pages! --Tito Dutta ✉ 15:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Part 2
- It'll be excellent if we can use light blue (or Twitter blue) in header background! what do you think? See if you can do it in template! --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have done it, but not sure about exact Twitter blue, you can change the header colour! --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
What's about adding a Twitter bird (small – 20 px or something) somewhere in infobox? What do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 15:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have added footnote bgcolor. You can remove/change it --Tito Dutta ✉ 15:43, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I really like the idea of creating an infobox specifically for Twitter accounts. I was going to suggest this earlier, but never got the change to do it. It should certainly include the Twitter bird in there somewhere. Statυs (talk) 03:11, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Welcome to this review! For some personal reasons Tony will not be able to participate in this for next 1 day. Hope to see him back in this review soon. Currently, I am not sure where to add this Twitter bird
. Feel free to change the code of the infobox draft above --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:37, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- This will be made into a separate template, right? So it won't just be its own adjusted coding on each page? Statυs (talk) 03:53, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know if a separate template will be created, since the suggestion to create a template has not got good supports! We may need to use this infobox directly in the article copying code from here! The infobox looks good now, but, you have removed the second image! We can add the Twitter bird somewhere else to in infobox, what do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:00, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- See the discussion here: Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Twitter_user_infobox and what's about placing the screenshot first and then the Twitter bird (50px) below it? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Hello. I have encountered feelings about this articles; but that's irrelevant. As a constant template-creator, I can give you a hand on the template code of you wish. And i think the bird might go at the top of the infobox. —Hahc21 04:45, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Welcome to this review! Readers will be confused what we are trying to do here actually! GA review or template creation or what. (joking :-D) Yes, if we can create a separate infobox template, that's ll be excellent. See Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Twitter_user_infobox. I do not have any opinion on the position of Twitter bird, but, I want an alternative of infobox website for these articles! Can you create an infobox template? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:56, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah. I checked Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Twitter_user_infobox and seemed that everyone were picking a fight instead of answering the request. I'll work on a template for Twitter =). —Hahc21 05:01, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Welcome to this review! Readers will be confused what we are trying to do here actually! GA review or template creation or what. (joking :-D) Yes, if we can create a separate infobox template, that's ll be excellent. See Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Twitter_user_infobox. I do not have any opinion on the position of Twitter bird, but, I want an alternative of infobox website for these articles! Can you create an infobox template? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:56, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Hello. I have encountered feelings about this articles; but that's irrelevant. As a constant template-creator, I can give you a hand on the template code of you wish. And i think the bird might go at the top of the infobox. —Hahc21 04:45, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- See the discussion here: Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Twitter_user_infobox and what's about placing the screenshot first and then the Twitter bird (50px) below it? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know if a separate template will be created, since the suggestion to create a template has not got good supports! We may need to use this infobox directly in the article copying code from here! The infobox looks good now, but, you have removed the second image! We can add the Twitter bird somewhere else to in infobox, what do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:00, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- This will be made into a separate template, right? So it won't just be its own adjusted coding on each page? Statυs (talk) 03:53, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Section 08 Status' code
{{Infobox Twitter account | Username = Test | Image = example.jpg | Image_size = 250px | Caption = Screenshot of @BarackObama | Created = Date | Followers = Number | Following = Number | Tweets = Number | Updated = June 12, 2012 }}
Status has made some changes in codes. The infobox looks much better now! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:30, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and created the template here: {{Infobox Twitter account}} Feel free to make any adjustments you find fit. Statυs (talk) 05:01, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Good job! —Hahc21 05:03, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you! First time doing a template and it went pretty well! I've added it to the article. I think it looks very hot! Statυs (talk) 05:05, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Infobox templates are very easy to make, since they all rely on the main template, so no parser functions are needed. Anyway, it's very pretty and elegant
—Hahc21 05:07, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Hey, one more parameter needs to be added– Current status– active/stopped using Twitter etc! --Tito Dutta ✉ 12:25, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Infobox templates are very easy to make, since they all rely on the main template, so no parser functions are needed. Anyway, it's very pretty and elegant
- Thank you! First time doing a template and it went pretty well! I've added it to the article. I think it looks very hot! Statυs (talk) 05:05, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Is that really necessary? If it comes the time that it is needed, then it can be added, but seeing as how all the articles about Twitter accounts are active, I see no need. Statυs (talk) 19:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know about the above request, but I think it is necessary to have two image-receptive parameters.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Is that really necessary? If it comes the time that it is needed, then it can be added, but seeing as how all the articles about Twitter accounts are active, I see no need. Statυs (talk) 19:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- What exactly would be the use of two images? Statυs (talk) 03:23, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- In this case as above. In some cases, it could be a logo and a screenshot. For example, suppose there was a CNN on Twitter page (which might be logical considering they are 2 of the top 100 in terms of followers and a former worldwide follower leader), the Logo would be one use and the screenshot would be the other. In this case, the original lead image and the screenshot.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- What exactly would be the use of two images? Statυs (talk) 03:23, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, I see what you mean. I have no idea what-so-ever how to add a second image field, so feel free to do that one on your own. Statυs (talk) 06:18, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- I will ask for help at the help desk and failing that I will ask the creators of individual templates that accept two image parameters one by one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- All done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I will ask for help at the help desk and failing that I will ask the creators of individual templates that accept two image parameters one by one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, I see what you mean. I have no idea what-so-ever how to add a second image field, so feel free to do that one on your own. Statυs (talk) 06:18, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Section 09
- White House
"Twitter Presents Townhall @ the White House"
- Delete the space (i.e. @WhiteHouse)!
- That is an official title--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:43, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Change ref order, currently it is [30][13], make it [13][30]. --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:44, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Public forums
Obama has at various times held public forums in which he fielded questions posted on Twitter.
- What is public forums? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- That is an introductory sentence to a paragraph that explains the point. I am not sure what the issue is here.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:37, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Formerly
- The account formerly held the record for following the most people.
- That sentence is double reffed and explained in the subsequent sentence.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:41, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- It formerly followed the most people of any account on the network and was the third to achieve 10 million followers.
- –"formerly"–when? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- That is an introductory and general sentence from the WP:LEAD. It is clarified in the main body.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:42, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Relative_time_references MOS suggests to avoid it! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks ("formerly" removed).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Relative_time_references MOS suggests to avoid it! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- That is an introductory and general sentence from the WP:LEAD. It is clarified in the main body.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:42, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- World leaders
@BarackObama was followed by 7.4 million people, including 28 world leaders
- Can you mention one or two names which world leaders were following Obama's account? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- The source is silent.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Expected to have
Twitter is expected to have a modest but growing role in his political campaign.
- Umm, who expects so? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- That is a general statement for the WP:LEAD with further detail in the main body.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:38, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- The reference you have added there they have not used the word. Add 2012 campaign as it was mentioned in the reference, and try to avoid the word "expected" unless you can clearly say–who expects so? Obama? His administration? Any news channel? --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- How is it now?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Good work! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- How is it now?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- The reference you have added there they have not used the word. Add 2012 campaign as it was mentioned in the reference, and try to avoid the word "expected" unless you can clearly say–who expects so? Obama? His administration? Any news channel? --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Section 10
- Robo guess
The hacker robo-guessed the password of a Twitter administrator's account gaining access to other accounts
- What is robo-guessing? See if we have any article on information on this in Wikipedia, link it! --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Chart
Decrease image size (350px >>250px) align right! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:25, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- I set it to go to default.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- I moved this back to the left in anticipation of 2nd infobox image being restored.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:42, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Making it difficult to read! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Now that the infobox is fixed, it should be obvious that the graph can not go on the right.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Making it difficult to read! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- I moved this back to the left in anticipation of 2nd infobox image being restored.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:42, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Account hijack
You can find some information here–
- Man hacked into Obama Twitter site
- HACKERS BREAK INTO OBAMA'S TWITTER ACCOUNT --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- What do those sources have that the refs in the article do not.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am not so keen on those sources because they are not very prominent periodicals from the American perspective.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Tweeting questions
Is this image File:Twitter Town Hall audience.jpg really important? If not remove this image! All I can understand in this image–some people have cell phones in hand! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Have you ever seen a Presidential press conference where all the questions were asked via BlackBerry. Hell yes, it is important for this article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:03, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Does it mean, a reader needs to see a Presidential press conference first before reading the article? :) --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- This is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet culture article. That picture is extremely important in terms of that perspective. In terms of politics, the picture might be unimportant, but this article is a statement on the degree to which the internet has become mainstream. That picture demonstrates that technology has now advanced to the point of Presidential press conferences being held by BlackBerry.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- You can add this page http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/07/07/president-obama-twitter-town-hall-economy-jobs-deficit-and-space-exploration as a reference in caption! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:18, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- That page is already referenced in the picture credits page (click on the image).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- You can add this page http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/07/07/president-obama-twitter-town-hall-economy-jobs-deficit-and-space-exploration as a reference in caption! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:18, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- This is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet culture article. That picture is extremely important in terms of that perspective. In terms of politics, the picture might be unimportant, but this article is a statement on the degree to which the internet has become mainstream. That picture demonstrates that technology has now advanced to the point of Presidential press conferences being held by BlackBerry.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Does it mean, a reader needs to see a Presidential press conference first before reading the article? :) --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Succeeded by & Preceded by
- I am interested to learn, how do you find out these information?
- You have to stumble upon the right articles, which means you are at the mercy of WP:RS to provide the information. Sometimes it works (see Ashton Kutcher on Twitter).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:04, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- It is not clear, how these "succeed" "preceded" information are found out! Was that account created right after Obama's account? --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:14, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Succession boxes are a common form of presenting encyclopedic content regarding titleholders on WP. They even have their own WikiProject. What is your point? Are you saying you are not familiar with succession boxes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:26, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- It is not clear, how these "succeed" "preceded" information are found out! Was that account created right after Obama's account? --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:14, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Currently one is redlink, another is "information unknown", is not very helpful? -Tito Dutta ✉ 04:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- WP is always a work in progress. I try not to change how I approach each individual fact with this in mind, in general. With a BLP, there are always concerns about how omissions may impact the person and in this case change the course of history. However, at most, I think we could delink the redlinks (if necessary). I think the succession boxes should stay. If Obama's army gets involved in the editing of the article, there is a good chance the information may be found.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Final assessment
This is a very well written article on a difficult subject. The editor(s) have done an excellent job. I'll take some more time before doing the final assessment (will not be more than 24–48 hours) --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
The current version is a good article, good work! –Tito Dutta ✉ 07:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
"official Twitter account for United States President Barack Obama and is used for his election efforts"
Forgive me if this has already been discussed here or elsewhere, but this account is his campaign account, not an account used by him in his role as President. This phrasing makes it (falsely) sound as though Obama were appropriating a government resource for campaign purposes. I don't want to just change it willy nilly, but I think better phrasing might be something like "United States President Barack Obama has two Twitter accounts - one used by his reelection campaign (@BarackObama) and one used in his capacity as President (@WhiteHouse)." --B (talk) 20:52, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
- That would be an incorrect and misleading change. He has one account and the US government has another one that he uses. In either 7 months or 4 years and 7 months, he will relinquish the govt's account.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:49, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Kanye West photo
The Kanya West/Taylor Swift non-free photo does not seem to fit very well into this article. The non-free rational provided on the file File:Kanye-West-grabs-the-mic-2009-vma.jpg does not help as it is basically a copy paste of the other rationals. Not sure how it meets WP:NFC#8. AIRcorn (talk) 06:31, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am about to go to sleep. I will work on the FUR in the morning.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Needs an opinion
Seriously, I don't see any general opinions and analyses about use of Twitter by Obama as a whole. --George Ho (talk) 16:56, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Broadening scope of this article
I don't know why this article must collect excessive information about use of Twitter by Obama. Why not inserting any other media by Obama, like Youtube and Facebook? Therefore, this article could be renamed into Barack Obama on social media. --George Ho (talk) 16:59, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
- This is not the proper point for the tag that was added. That tag would be relevant for an article that does not cover its topic broadly. An article is not suppose to include information on topics that it is not about.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:06, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, it is possible to change the article's scope and then rename it. Look at Glen and Les Charles (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views); separately, they were Glen Charles (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and Les Charles (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), but I renamed "Glen Charles" into "Glen and Les Charles". --George Ho (talk) 20:16, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- I am not saying that it is not possible to broaden the scope of this article. I am just saying that the tag that you used is not appropriate for that end.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:33, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- I just added "too few opinions" because, if you want this article to be solely about Obama-Twitter, this topic lacks one right now. Why inappropiate? Look, we can discuss that in another section about needing opinions about Obama's use of Twitter in general. --George Ho (talk) 20:39, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- Are you trying to say that the topic of Obama on Twitter is not covered or that the topic should be expanded.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:35, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- If you want to support this stand-alone article, before expanding, there must be irrelevant information to remove from this article. Also, some relevant information must be copied and pasted into other related articles. Unfortunately, the whole article contains many irrelevant information, such as some Fox News controversy and Twitter responses from other candidates of 2012. --George Ho (talk) 17:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- Are you trying to say that the topic of Obama on Twitter is not covered or that the topic should be expanded.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:35, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- I just added "too few opinions" because, if you want this article to be solely about Obama-Twitter, this topic lacks one right now. Why inappropiate? Look, we can discuss that in another section about needing opinions about Obama's use of Twitter in general. --George Ho (talk) 20:39, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- I am not saying that it is not possible to broaden the scope of this article. I am just saying that the tag that you used is not appropriate for that end.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:33, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, it is possible to change the article's scope and then rename it. Look at Glen and Les Charles (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views); separately, they were Glen Charles (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and Les Charles (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), but I renamed "Glen Charles" into "Glen and Les Charles". --George Ho (talk) 20:16, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
In the previous comment, I assumed you are talking only about Twitter article. Anyway, unfortunately, renaming this article would be done after adding YouTube, Facebook, and other social media in this article. I would say, as I said, trim down irrelevant stuff and then add in other things that Obama uses, like Blackberry. --George Ho (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- Irrespective of YouTube, Facebook, and other social media, you have made no points that this article is missing content regarding Twitter activity.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:12, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, where are opinions about Obama-Twitter use in general? --George Ho (talk) 23:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- This is not a movie with reviews. This article is a summary of facts and events. Have you ever seen a WP article that did not have critical commentary?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:40, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- Biographies? Even small biographies, for example? How is this article a biography if this article mainly discusses Obama's Twitter use? --George Ho (talk) 00:11, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- This is not a movie with reviews. This article is a summary of facts and events. Have you ever seen a WP article that did not have critical commentary?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:40, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, where are opinions about Obama-Twitter use in general? --George Ho (talk) 23:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
"Too few opinions" does not imply expansion; well, it means a need of a significant analysis. As for the articles without critical commentary, mushroom and cat explain human interaction without commentary... I think. Also, fruit comes in mind with human interaction. The Twitter account by a specific human has human interaction but is nothing compared to Twitter itself. Mushroom, cat, and fruit explain such diversity and impact. Twitter explains generally growth and impact, as well. The Twitter account, however, is nothing compared to apple and orange and should not be based on inhereted notability of one person, unless one specific account made general impact, like horse ebooks. This Obama-Twitter article... has no hint of general impact (and even specific, as well). --George Ho (talk) 01:02, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- You have yet to demonstrate why it is mandatory for this article to have critical commentary--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:41, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Obama's account is a work, and there is work involved. Regardless of deactivating a Twitter account, a Twitter account may still be a work. Twitter communication is still a work, which collects self-publications from everyone, including replies. If an account is not a work, how do you call it? --George Ho (talk) 02:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- The actual page is about as much a work as compiled press clippings are a work. However, the article is about controversies surrounding the "work", history of the "work", etc. I am not really sure critical reviews are really necessary. There are general social media power rankings and things that rate or rank the effectiveness of his use of social media, but I don't think there is anything twitter-specific.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
The whole article, including controversy, excessively discusses a production of work, Twitter replies towards a work (following and posting replies, for example), and violating owner's property. While some information has value, the whole article cannot discuss merely a work and production of a work. Per WP:IINFO, non-fictional work, like Twitter account, must have critical commentary, like fiction. --George Ho (talk) 05:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)- I don't understand WTF you are talking about.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:45, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- I'll rephrase: this article talks about only writing of a work, including history and replies to Obama's account on Twitter. How does controversy suffice coverage and balance? --George Ho (talk) 06:50, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- I don't understand WTF you are talking about.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:45, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- The actual page is about as much a work as compiled press clippings are a work. However, the article is about controversies surrounding the "work", history of the "work", etc. I am not really sure critical reviews are really necessary. There are general social media power rankings and things that rate or rank the effectiveness of his use of social media, but I don't think there is anything twitter-specific.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Obama's account is a work, and there is work involved. Regardless of deactivating a Twitter account, a Twitter account may still be a work. Twitter communication is still a work, which collects self-publications from everyone, including replies. If an account is not a work, how do you call it? --George Ho (talk) 02:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Great: an attempt to summarize this article into main Obama article has failed. From Wikidemon: "Appears to be a trivialism vis-a-vis the life and times of the President, not terribly relevant or significant to the subject of this article, whatever the status of that particular article." Into where else is this article suitable? --George Ho (talk) 07:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Aha, Tony's not the first person to be confused by George here, I think. As to this question, there really isn't room in the main article; I recommend 'Campaign, 2008', 'Public Image' (maybe 'Presidency') and possibly 'Campaign 2012', if anything fits there. Darryl from Mars (talk) 04:58, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Which subarticles? --George Ho (talk) 05:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm... Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign,_2012, Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign,_2008. Public_image_of_Barack_Obama? Mind you, don't just go dropping paragraphs in, probably something can be drafted on the talk pages if any of those articles seem appropriate...Darryl from Mars (talk) 05:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Which subarticles? --George Ho (talk) 05:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Stroke out what confuses people here. Well, I don't know what this article mainly discusses. It discusses what Obama did by using Twitter, but... if Twitter is not a "work", what do you call it? --George Ho (talk) 16:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Needs a GA reassessment
This article is a Good Article, but, due to AFD chaos, I'm afraid reassessment is needed, even though there was no consensus to delete and no consensus to keep. I wonder what is wrong with this article as GA. --George Ho (talk) 16:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Was it decided in the consensus to move the page to "Communications of Barack Obama"? Article is on Obama's Twitter use, that title was better! --Tito Dutta ✉ 20:17, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- It was but it doesn't need to be so narrow and it can be improved through expanding it to cover twitter and another medium like facebook or youtube. I feel this x on twitter largely survived since there was some merit to a scholarly argument regarding the historic usage of twitter by obama, and that usage includes other media, therefore expanding it to include such media should be a priority.LuciferWildCat (talk) 20:37, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I like this title more; maybe we can get rid of excessive stuff on Twitter and insert YouTube and Facebook uses by Obama. --George Ho (talk) 20:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Yes let's shave off the bs, especially the statistics section and add in facebook and youtube at the very least, but let's not get crazy and add in every social network in the world he has, just the ones that have been associated with some significant campaigning and noteworhtyness, we should set the bar high.LuciferWildCat (talk) 20:37, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- You are trying to avert consensus George. There has been no consensus to change the focus of the article. The consensus has been to retain the current article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Which consensus? There was only an AfD for merge/keep/delete, rename was never considered. Furthermore the discussion closed "without consensus" so avoiding "no consensus" is actually impossible.LuciferWildCat (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- The page move is a thinly veiled attempt to pick a fight after the AFD failed. The immediacy of the action without any attempt to gain consensus for such a drastic change to the article is not proper procedure. You are attempting to totally change the topic of a stable article. The page should remain at Barack Obama on Twitter until there is consensus to move the page elsewhere.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:47, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Which consensus? There was only an AfD for merge/keep/delete, rename was never considered. Furthermore the discussion closed "without consensus" so avoiding "no consensus" is actually impossible.LuciferWildCat (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- There is no consensus to keep this article as is, either, even with expansions that you are trying to do. We want it broadened, but you keep interfering just because you want your work praised. --George Ho (talk) 20:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Did he remove the new intro I added in? If so let's discuss this, establish a consensus on how to proceed and let's work together to overhaul this article into a more suitable form that might actually make it to GA or FALuciferWildCat (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- I have now removed the content. Please propose at WP:RM.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Did he remove the new intro I added in? If so let's discuss this, establish a consensus on how to proceed and let's work together to overhaul this article into a more suitable form that might actually make it to GA or FALuciferWildCat (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- If the title changes, then it'll be difficult to save GA tag, the article is on Twitter usage, not Obama's all communication! --Tito Dutta ✉ 20:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- The GA tag was probably lost with the AfD, sorry about that, but in any case this is wikipedia and their is never any prejudice against reapplying for that status or better yet, rewriting it even better and getting FA status in the end.LuciferWildCat (talk) 20:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- That would be none of my concern. The Twitter account doesn't deserve to be GA, anyway, no matter how well-written and well-cited it is. --George Ho (talk) 20:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- It would never have been featured because it was not something most people would say "they can be proud of".LuciferWildCat (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Given the controversial nature of the topic of this page, you should create your version of a proposed article in your own user space. This article should be returned to Barack Obama on Twitter in the meantime.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:38, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- There is no controversial anything here. There is a version of this article and I have renamed and incorporated it. There is actually emerging consensus for thisLuciferWildCat (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- I got news for you: I'm not that interested on politics right now. Let's have Lucifer and you take care of this. However, I would be glad to discuss this topic. I'm sorry, but I'm going to request a move rather than make a technical RM. --George Ho (talk) 20:50, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Given the controversial nature of the topic of this page, you should create your version of a proposed article in your own user space. This article should be returned to Barack Obama on Twitter in the meantime.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:38, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- You are trying to avert consensus George. There has been no consensus to change the focus of the article. The consensus has been to retain the current article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Communications of Barack Obama is a horrible title and way too broad. At the very least, Barack Obama on social media was a better choice. However, I do not agree with the idea of a GA reassessment. The article was reviewed as it is now and it passed. Therefor, it is still GA status because it is still the exact same. The AfD doesn't infringe on that at all, plenty of articles GA or FA have been taken to AfD. The result (other than Delete or Merge) doesn't affect their status. SilverserenC 20:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, besides good writing and reference, what other criteria are passed? --George Ho (talk) 20:58, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Not too broad at all, broad is good, avoids splintering of every social media and every white house correspondent. It would fill our needs well and also be an unambiguously notable topic.LuciferWildCat (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Make this article broader?
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The prior version was an attempt to broaden the scope of this article. This current version is too narrow and about Twitter use by Obama. Communications of Barack Obama seems like a good choice, but people want Barack Obama on social media. However, this article can't stay forever as an article about one thing. This article needs broader scope, like use of Blackberry, YouTube, Facebook, etc. --George Ho (talk) 21:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- This is again attempt to avert process. The prior version was a post-AFD attempt to overhaul an article out of frustration that it survived an AFD. The current article is the stable version. The prior version was a rushed WP:LEAD augmentation without any change to the prose in the body.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
I have declined the RFC tag because this is becoming a matter of content dispute. If this goes any further, I'm taking this to WP:dispute resolution noticeboard. However, there you must be calm! --George Ho (talk) 21:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)Never mind; the noticeboard is for simple disputes. This is too complex. --George Ho (talk) 21:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
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