User talk:Rosiestep

My turn to keep an eye on things around here.

July 2018 at Women in Red

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Thank you for your article on Katharine A. O'Keeffe O'Mahoney

Hello Rosiestep,

Thank you for your article. Here is a blog post I did about her in March, which may be of interest. https://www.ofaplace.com/home/irish-pride-back-in-the-old-days-in-lawrence-the-writings-of-mary-okeefe-omahoney8792479

Could you please consider adding the article to some projects related to Irish immigrants to the United States, related to New England or related to the Merrimack Valley region of Massachusetts?

Cbmccarthy (talk) 18:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Can you help us on a research project about translations?

Hello Rosiestep

I am Trizek and I work for the Wikimedia Foundation.

I'm helping the Research team finding people who can help them to create a translation pairing algorith.

We noted that you make translations from Spanish to English. We need your help to improve an algorithm to associate section titles in both languages. For this, we have created a small tool that looks like a game: https://gapfinder-tools.wmflabs.org/section-alignment. After choosing two languages, you will be able to type possible translations of the displayed section title.

We know that translating needs a lot of time and we hope you can help us. If you can't can you share that game with other users who could help?

Thank you in advance! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 18:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Trizek (WMF). Thanks for reaching out to me. I've translated 18 of them and will do more as time permits. Perhaps some of my polyglot pagestalkers will be interested as well. Good luck with your project! --Rosiestep (talk) 18:39, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

  Thank you for your help, Rosiestep! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 08:30, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/84

I am currently working on a draft article about a popular television actress Draft:Shamitha Shreekumar which I wanted to create as a part of WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/84. Is it possible to create this article under this initiative? I am also having questions on the notability of Shamitha Shreekumar and so can you help me out in this situation. Abishe (talk) 04:42, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Abishe and thank you for reaching out to me, but as I avoid WP:BLPs, I'm not the best one to answer your question. I recommend asking on the Women in Red talkpage as it has many pagestalkers. What do you think? --Rosiestep (talk) 06:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello dear Rosie;

Thank you for your message. I am sorry I am so late in joining women in red, I always thought I am already a member and was surprised to see my name is not there, but better late than never. For Wikimania, I had to apologize a week ago, because I started working with a new company (after 6 months of staying home doing freelance work only), it's not a good to ask for a vacation in the first month of joining, right? I will miss it, and miss you already :) --Mervat (talk) 23:06, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

You will be missed, but I hope you love your new job, Mervat!! --Rosiestep (talk) 23:33, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of A Message from Earth for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article A Message from Earth is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Message from Earth until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

WiR Monthly achieve scheme: August 2018

Hi Rosie. I thought it would be useful to ask you for any reactions you might have to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Monthly achievement scheme: August 2018 which could be used in August. If we can sort things out over the next few days, we might be able to send out early invitations for August including notice of the scheme.--Ipigott (talk) 07:42, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Ipigott. I think it's a good idea. Other general thoughts:

• It needs a little copyediting.
• I winced at two points:

• "At a time when interest in creating women's biographies appears to be waning..." "...the scheme is intended to encourage editors to adopt a more competitive approach..." The first part of this quote sounds negative ("Debbie Downer"). While it may be true (and it may be false if WHGI is giving faulty data), I'm not convinced it will motivate editors.
• Regarding "competitive approach": what I have heard from MANY women editors is that they do not like to compete in general and they do not like to compete in the wiki movement in particular, so this wording might be a deterrent.
• If you choose to keep the current wording, could you add something really inspirational in the lede paragraph?

• I really like that no one has to give it oversight.
• I liked that editors will get to add userboxes to their pages (or not) vs. a WiR member having to do more administrative work.
• Let's solicit feedback midway through the month and at the end of the period. If it's really going well, some people may be disappointed by going dark in September.

This scheme has my wholehearted support. Let's announce early, and give it a go as one more offering in August. Thank you for coming up with the idea, Ian, and for thoughtfully presenting it. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:08, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks for these constructive comments. You are quite right to suggest a more positive approach. I'll work on the presentation along the lines you suggest.--Ipigott (talk) 07:42, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I've now added a few templates to be used by participants on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Monthly achievement scheme: August 2018. Perhaps you could let me know whether you think they are suitable. Megalibrarygirl who is good at playing around with images might like to review them too. You are of course both welcome to make any further changes to the presentation you think are necessary. Once you are happy with it, we could post it for final review on the WiR talk page before including it in the August invitation and in other relevant announcements.--Ipigott (talk) 15:40, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott, maybe consider renaming it something like: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Monthly achievement scheme/August 2018 or Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Individual achievements/August 2018? A friendly FYI, the word "scheme"has a somewhat negative connotation, e.g. as a verb (I know you are using it as a noun, not a verb), it means: "make plans, especially in a devious way or with intent to do something illegal or wrong". --Rosiestep (talk) 18:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

As George Bernard Shaw once remarked, Britain and the United States are two nations divided by the same language. Scheme is widely used in the United Kingdom in a positive way, as in UK Pension Schemes, Graduate schemes, etc. I was looking for something along the lines of a plan as if it is successful, it would be further developed over the longer term. I also considered challenge but that has also developed negative connotations although it is widely used on Wikipedia. What about venture?--Ipigott (talk) 06:09, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott - Venture is fine; no negative connotations with that word. But I don't want to dissuade you from scheme if you think that's the best choice. Your decision! --Rosiestep (talk) 10:45, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Venture might be a bit too pompous but I'll think about it. What about the user boxes?--Ipigott (talk) 11:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott - I like the Userboxes, and if I qualify for one, I will certainly put it on my userpage. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:05, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Good. How about simply calling it the WiR monthly achievement initiative? If you agree, I'll make the necessary changes and we can start promoting it.--Ipigott (talk) 13:39, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott --Rosiestep (talk) 13:57, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott I like these! If you need additional graphics, let me know what kinds or what you'd like me to make. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I rather like 'WiR monthly achievement initiative' as a title...And while competitions make me want to compete and then vaguely disappointed when I can't win for life reasons (though sometimes I can when life allows), cool boxes I can add to show what I have achieved always make me happy. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 08:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Suggest someone to speak with about editathon organizer tools?

Hi Rosiestep, I’m a product manager at the Wikimiedia Foundation. My team's next assignment is to design and build a tool that will make life easier for people who organize editathons. (Here's the project page, which I’ve just inherited from another PM).  

I’m reaching out to event organizers to learn more about their current processes and hear their ideas for the improvements that would help them most. I’d like to speak with you at some point but see on your talk page that you’re traveling to Wikimania. So I wonder if you might like to suggest a few colleagues with whom you’ve worked  who you think might be interested in participating?

Please feel free either to provide my information to them directly or to give me their info (usernames or email addresses) so I can contact them. I can be reached at this address: jmatazzoni[at]wikimedia.org.

Thanks so much for your help. I’m looking forward to learning more about your work! —JMatazzoni (WMF) (talk) 00:39, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi JMatazzoni (WMF), you've got mail. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:01, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Hello, I recently read the article on Abbé Pierre that you edited.I was wondering if you knew if he had any children, or any living relatives? Thanks for your time. MWilson98 (talk) 12:39, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi MWilson98, and thanks for barnstar, and for taking the time to read that article. I didn't do any additional follow-up/research, so, sorry I don't know the answer. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:30, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I made you a thing

Hi Rosiestep! Last Wikimania, we talked about how you were using ORES predictions to check on article quality changes while you were writing articles. Well, I made you a simple little user script to make it easier to see how the prediction has changed. See User:EpochFail/ArticleQuality-loader for the (minimal) documentation. Otherwise you can install it by adding importScript("User:EpochFail/ArticleQuality-loader.js") to your Special:MyPage/common.js. --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 07:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi EpochFail, thank you. I'll check it out later today. BTW, are you at Wikimania Cape Town? If yes, let's meet at some point. --Rosiestep (talk) 07:47, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

EpochFail, From me too, Thank you- I have it running now and I love it. It rocks. I too use your original tool (though not consistently as I'm lazy) to see how well I've done on creating an article and this changes the use from something I don't always remember to do, to so simple I should be able to do with with every new article...(talk page stalker) ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 08:16, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Antiqueight! I'm really glad you have found the script & ORES useful as well :D

Rosiestep, I'm at Wikimania Capetown. I'd love to have a chat. I'm in the hackathon room now and I'll be presenting some things about ORES tomorrow at 1600. See Using artificial intelligence to keep Wikipedia open which, as it turns out, is *also* based on one of our conversations at last Wikimania ^_^ --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 12:21, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, EpochFail, I'll try to make it to your 1600 session, but if I can't, maybe we can meet for breakfast Saturday morning? --Rosiestep (talk) 23:06, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

That would be great! How's 8AM for you? Shall we meet in the lobby? --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 12:35, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

EpochFail, sure. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:28, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

EpochFail, always a pleasure spending time with you. Very valuable. And thanks for the thing you made. I've showed it to others here at Wikimania, and they are blown away. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Which leads me to another question only partially related. I ran ORES against all the articles I created. Some are actually assessed as start or C and the ORES predicts them at GA (for example Louise Gavan Duffy and Margaret Dobbs). Should I be trying to get these to GA? What is required to get them to GA? Can I assess my own articles if I use the ORES results to do it? It seems to generally assess some of my articles higher than a human.Normally not something I' greatly worried about - but I thought I'd ask about it since it came to mind. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 12:01, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Antiqueight, it's been my habit if ORES predicts GA quality, that I score the class as B. Regarding going through the GAN process, it is up to you, but you would not review your own submission. I have gone through GAN with only a few articles. But SusunW has had success multiple times, so maybe she has some words of wisdom. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Antiqueight ORES basically looks at word count not content, as far as I can tell, so for me, if it returns GA, I either give it a C or a B rating. C, I use if I don't have dates for major events or if material is sketchy; B, I use if I consider the article to be comprehensive. I probably have much higher standards for GA than most, but Dr. Blofeld told me that the article had to contain 10,000 to 15,000 bytes; should be comprehensive; have correctly licensed photos (really hard for me); all data should be cited to reliable sources; all citations should be fully completed without missing data (he advised me to use Harvard referencing, which I do on all files, but it isn't required); no source citations in the lede, which should summarize the cited text material. If I have an article that I think meets that criteria, I ask someone I trust (usually Ian) to copy edit it and insure that I haven't omitted something important and then I submit it and wait. Since Women in Green is active again, you can post it there for someone to collaborate with you or evaluate it prior to submission. Once it is submitted, someone will eventually evaluate it and you will need to address any concerns the reviewer has. SusunW (talk) 22:05, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

SusunW Rosiestep, to be honest I wasn't thinking entirely of GA - that seemed like a more serious step. I was thinking more just up as far as B.Though these tips should help with my articles anyway. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 22:52, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Actually, ORES evaluates more things than word count. Even without ORES, I'm pretty good at predicting article quality, but I will say that I'm a big fan of ORES, as using it, I can see, numerically, what one edit, e.g. adding an image, adding an infobox, can do to the AI-perceived article quality. As for Harvard referencing, I've been a big fan of that for years as it's easy and it's logical. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

I used Harvard referencing when I was cleaning up articles for DYK (I enjoyed the idea of DYK but found the process too stressful and confusing). I had already learned off the cite web|url=|author= version which I can mostly type without thinking and so I haven't really used the Harvard version since then. I'm not familiar with the various kinds of referencing so I'm not sure why one wins over another - other than being able to reference something multiple times in the same article which I can do with the one I use. I'm open to learning why one is potentially better than the other. * So - can I understand from this that for all articles up to but not including GA I can fill in the talk page with the standard myself if I use ORES to predict it? That I don't need to wait for someone else to assess it? And then if ORES predicts a GA I could work with Women in Green to go from a B to a GA? ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 07:25, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Antiqueight - Are you familiar with this tool? And, yes, you can fill in the class yourself on the talkpage; you don't have to rely on someone else to do that. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:08, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes- I love that tool and I wish it would work for citations other than google books..I have a tool on my toolbar on my pc at home and I don't remember where I got it but it will (not very well but mostly well enough) turn any web site into a citation of the cit web|url= style. If I could get one of those for harv citations it would be perfect. And thanks - that's cool. I haven't been doing that but I will from now on. Thank you all for your help on this. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 14:29, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Hey Rosie. I looked up your edit count during your Wikimania session because another presenter had asked. It's incredible how much you have contributed to Wikipedia through editing -- let alone your other work. Thank you. :) EpochFail (talk • contribs) 09:41, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you, @Aaron. I appreciate the barnstar. --Rosiestep (talk) 10:27, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

August and New Achievements at Women in Red

Although this was sent out yesterday by mass messaging, very few people received it. The problem has now been resolved and the invitations should be distributed correctly later today.

Meetups #87, #88, #89, #90

		An exciting new month for Women in Red! August 2018 worldwide online editathons: New: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/87|Indigenous women]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/88|Women of marginalized populations]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/89|Women writers]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/90|Geofocus: Bottom 10]] Continuing: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/00/2018|#1day1woman Global Initiative Notable women, broadly-construed!]] For the first time, this month we are trying out our Monthly achievement initiative All creators of new biographies can keep track of their progress and earn virtual awards. It can be used in conjunction with the above editathons or for any women's biography created in August. Try it out when you create your first biography of the month.
		Latest headlines, news, and views on the Women in Red talkpage (Join the conversation!): Call for members for the Gender Diversity Visibility Community User Group (To subscribe: Women in Red/English language mailing list and Women in Red/international list. Unsubscribe: Women in Red/Opt-out list)

Hi Rosie. As the invitations were mistakenly distributed to another list, I thought it would be useful to post this on your talk page as many editors keep an eye on it. I expect Sue will now be sending it out via the opt in list later today -- unless you have time to send it out yourself. By the way, while I'm here, I appreciate your renaming the UG Gender Diversity Visibility Community. It provides room for a much wider mandate and is likely to attract members from other language wikis.--Ipigott (talk) 08:53, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, @Ian, for the invite. I couldn't figure out why I didn't get it... never thought about the possibility that the wrong list was used.

Women in Red presentation at Wikimania 2018

As for the UG's new name, it was welcomed and appreciated by the audience when I announced the application had been submitted during my Women in Red presentation yesterday, so I am hopeful the UG, if/when it is recognized, will develop a diverse membership. --Rosiestep (talk) 09:05, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

August 2018 at Women in Red

		An exciting new month for Women in Red! August 2018 worldwide online editathons: New: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/87|Indigenous women]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/88|Women of marginalized populations]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/89|Women writers]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/90|Geofocus: Bottom 10]] Continuing: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/00/2018|#1day1woman Global Initiative Notable women, broadly-construed!]] For the first time, this month we are trying out our Monthly achievement initiative All creators of new biographies can keep track of their progress and earn virtual awards. It can be used in conjunction with the above editathons or for any women's biography created in August. Try it out when you create your first biography of the month.
		Latest headlines, news, and views on the Women in Red talkpage (Join the conversation!): Call for members for the Gender Diversity Visibility Community User Group (To subscribe: Women in Red/English language mailing list and Women in Red/international list. Unsubscribe: Women in Red/Opt-out list) --Rosiestep (talk) 11:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Thanks for your Wikimania presentation

Hi Rosie, I watched your presentation after Asaf's one where he talked about changed the policy page. I think that is a very good point you make about the dates that some of those policies were edited and by whom. John sent the link to the discussion Asaf started, and in case you missed it, it is here: Wikipedia_talk:Notability#Existence_of_sources_as_a_notability_test. I think what he says about minorities is just as true for women. Jane (talk) 11:42, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Jane023. :) --Rosiestep (talk) 11:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Rosie, for distributing the WiR invitation. Let's hope it gets a good response. I looked for your Wikimania presentation but could find nothing but the slides. Did anything come out of the discussion after the session or from meetings with other contacts at the event? I see Jimmy Wales mentioned the need to involve more women in Wikipedia. Were there any specific indications of how this could be achieved?--Ipigott (talk) 12:28, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott you should check out Asaf's video, which emphasizes the Feminist movement as an example for Wikimedia projects: here. Jane (talk) 13:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott, I'm not sure where the link is for the video, but here's the link to the session, "Program/Women leading the way toward gender equity". Note, I also did a Women in Red Lightning Talk, though I don't know if there was a video of it. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I saw this of course from the main programme but from Jane's messages above it looks as if there might also be a video. I hope it also includes questions and discussion. (cc Jane023)--Ipigott (talk) 19:03, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

I think I found the video Ipigott- Here. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 23:34, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Antiqueight! --Rosiestep (talk) 15:03, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, I plan to use content and ideas from it, and Asaf's, when we run a Science Fiction and Fantasy Convention Panel on How and Why to edit in October. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antiqueight (talk • contribs) 08:07, July 25, 2018 (UTC) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:33, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Antiqueight, that sounds amazing! --Rosiestep (talk) 16:33, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

translators and translation

Hi Rosie,

Last month I briefly met a new Wikipedian, Artatra, interested to help our coverage of women authors and translators. I believe they have come across WiR already, but do you know of any good resources/lists/potential activities specific to translators/translation? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:11, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The only real way to translate is to be bilingual, which also means being bi-cultural. That said, as a professional bilingual translator, Google Translate has now become so good for some language pairs that I let it do the typing for me and then clean up what it gets wrong. This is also much faster than trying to clean up someone's brave but poor translation. Google is now putting the traditional translating agencies and translation software developers out of work. Of course, if one is translating a novel or a piece where the narrative style of the source language has to be interpreted, that's another task, but it's not so important for an encyclopedic entry. Check out the new side-by-side translation tool in your preferences under 'Beta' and read about it at mw:Content translation. I had long and very interesting discussion in Esino Lario with Amir, the developer, in my hotel. See him talking to an interviewer here. I very much regret not having had the opportunity to meet Rosie while I was there. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:19, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Rhododendrites and Kudpung and thanks for bringing up the topic as it's near and dear to my heart. [is the Women in Red index] of lists of redlinks. You'll see that we have multiple lists for women writers, translators, and so forth. These might be a good place to start for Artatra if you're seeking inspiration. During the month of August, one of the virtual events Women in Red will be running is Women writers. I do quite a bit of translation myself from various languages (mostly Spanish) into English. I have used the Beta translation tool and find it doesn't work as well as Google translation. Kudpung, hope to meet you another time at another event! Rhododendrites, hope I answered your questions but if not, just ping me again. I love to talk about this (translations/translators). --Rosiestep (talk) 14:06, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

thanks @Rhododendrites and Kudpung for the introduction. I'm interested in increasing awareness of international women writers and of women translators (and of other underrepresented groups, beyond gender) on Wikipedia. I've jumped into this without much experience on Wikipedia -- am learning as I go along. It's part of an larger activism within literary translation to address the gender disparity in what gets translated into English (literary fiction and poetry). At an upcoming conference for literary translators this November, I along with a colleague will run a workshop in editing and improving entries for women writers (who don't write in English)and women translators. My immediate goal is to edit and improve, not create pages for writers or translators. Translating pages from other languages (the language I translate from is Spanish) isn't a goal right now.

I've been looking at this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_writers especially the stubs in red. Not all are for international women writers, but many are. Artatra (talk) 15:00, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Artatra. Thank you for your interest in this wiki work, and thanks for bringing up WikiProject Women writers. Yes, it's a good resource. You can find additional translator stubs here: Category:Translators. Would love to hear more about the conference after you return home. If you have any questions about editing Wikipedia, I'd be glad to try and answer them, as would many of my "pagestalkers". --Rosiestep (talk) 15:19, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Rosiestep! If questions come up I'll let you know. I'm using "visual editing" almost exclusively, which pretty much covers the adds and edits I'd like to make. Biggest challenge is to establish notability for literary translators (and also for women writers), to keep things from being removed. Artatra (talk) 15:35, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, Artatra; establishing notability for literary translators, women writers, and women in general, in compliance with the current policy is challenging. I think the international wiki movement understands that WP:N, in all language versions, needs to be re-addressed. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:19, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, historically and even to this day there's a gender gap in who is seen as important (and not minor and/or secondary) and who gets covered by sources deemed reliable. Thanks for the link to

WP:NArtatra (talk) 00:10, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rosiestep! I have a friend and fellow traveler in improving entries on international women writers and women translator who is based in Chicago, Womeninenglishtranslation . She's a new editor like myself. Do you know of any Chicago meetups she could join or any edit-a-thons on the horizon in the Chicago area? thanks! Artatra (talk) 17:16, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Artatra, I don't, but, Womeninenglishtranslation is in luck as there is a wiki User Group in Chicago, and it would know about the calendar of events: m:Wikimedians of Chicago User Group. I would recommend that she adds her username to this page, and maybe posts a question about edit-a-thon schedule on the talkpage. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:59, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

thanks for pointing Womeninenglishtranslation there! Artatra (talk) 19:40, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Susan Marr Spalding

Hi there, just wanted to give you a heads-up that it needs to be more clear that the "style and themes" section at Susan Marr Spalding is a direct quote. (I googled it just because it didn't seem like encyclopedic/modern language.) Thanks! Jessicapierce (talk) 06:27, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Jessicapierce. You are right, and I've added them. Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 12:54, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Ebony Flowers page

Hello Rosie! I was told you might be a good person to reach out to in regards to an editor who doesn’t want a woman writer on my page to also be sorted into the American writer category (she only wants the writer to be sorted into the American women categories). I have read about the problematic uses of the sub categories on Wikipedia and wanted to tag the author with both categories. The other editor however keeps undoing my edits. Do you have any recommendations on how to deal with this? The discussion is on my talk page. Cbratbyrudd

Thanks! Cbratbyrudd (talk) 23:26, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Cbratbyrudd. Thanks for reaching out to me.  Done! --Rosiestep (talk) 01:03, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Rosiestep. Thanks so much for your comment!! --cbratbyrudd (talk) 01:03, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Help save Leila Stahl Buffett

Hi Rosiestep, Your help is needed to save Leila Stahl Buffett, mother of Warren Warren Buffett. Thanks, SWP13 (talk) 05:13, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi SWP13, thanks for reaching out to me regarding Leila Stahl Buffett. Unfortunately, I'm not convinced that the article meets WP:N. But perhaps my pagestalkers might have an interest in this article? Also, you might consider posting a comment about LSB on the Women in Red talkpage as there are a lot of eyes on it. Sorry I couldn't be more help. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:08, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

>Is someone who has millions in stock investment considered notable? She is quietly rich. I am trying to find sources but very little luck from online. Thanks for your quick response? SWP13 (talk) 17:13, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

SWP13, I, too, was having trouble finding reliable sources, ergo my earlier comment. This is an ongoing problem that we find when writing women's biographies... finding reliable sources. I struggle with this every day in my wiki work, so I understand the frustration is can cause. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:56, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

>If woman who did great things but not mention in writing, then, the world thinks she does not exist or considered not notable. What can I do to help in this general area? I don't usually go out of my way to save an article, but this one is differernt. I started with a minor clean up, then I could not stop. Thanks for trying.. SWP13 (talk) 22:39, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, SWP13. No easy answer to your question, but there are a few communities working on this very issue, including the newly-forming m:Gender Diversity Visibility Community User Group (not a recognized User Group yet, but has applied for formal recognition), and m:Whose Knowledge?, among others. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:01, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

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Second Life

Hey @Aaron, I read this article, a reflection back on Second Life, and envisioned some parallels with wiki personaes. I wondered about the differences of personaes across language wikis. I wondered if there were any research that had been done, or could be done, regarding wiki personaes through a review of editors' userpages, user talkpages, contribution histories, and so forth. And if so, what does that look like? Clueless how someone would crunch this data, but it makes for interesting thinking à la, Hari Seldon. If this were somehow possible, could you predict who would be a harrasser based on their first x amount of edits, or an All Star, etc.? --Rosiestep (talk) 18:52, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

It's an interesting article. I'd heard about some of these patterns from second life in the research literature around it. For Wikipedia, there's more work around implicit behavioral patterns than the kinds of ways people present themselves on user-pages. E.g. Arazy et al. 2015 offers a pretty good literature review of the quant work in the area. I think that Yang et al. 2016 is the state of the art in behavioral role patterns as determined by the type of work that people do.

WRT answering your questions about the first x edits, I do think we have a lot of potential there. One of my contractors (@Notconfusing:) is working on user-level modeling. I'd really like to extend his work to predict new editor potential (independent of what sort of response they receive based on their first submissions). Notconfusing is doing the groundwork of just trying to split newcomers who are clearly vandals from people who are clearly trying to contribute productively so that can be used in routing newcomers support. The next problem is "how productive might the goodfaith newcomers be if they were given support". Lots of potential for scary bias here. So in the meantime, we're most closely focused on getting mw:JADE, our AI auditing system, deployed. --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 20:27, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree that as AI develops, there may indeed be better opportunities of identifying promising new editors. On the other hand, I have frequently noticed how editors who start out well and obviously have a lot to offer are criticized or bullied by established editors. This is particularly true of women editors who are no doubt more sensitive to such treatment. As a result, they often begin to react defensively or angrily, are perhaps blocked from editing, and sometimes are even forced into retiring from Wikipedia. In this contest, we therefore need to take into account the dangers constructive editors are liable to face after joining Wikipedia. I'm not sure whether AI is yet able to cope with this level of interaction.--Ipigott (talk) 08:46, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

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Women

Stronger together.....

Rosie, entering my 80th decade very soon, all my life I have been an ardent supporter of gender equality. However, following recent criticisms from an arbitrator I am withdrawing my active support for Women in Red, and will no longer be actively helping to rescue bios about women, translate, or write them. I just thought you ought to know. I may even consider writing a Signpost article about the misandry male editors and admins occasionally have to put up with. I'm so sorry. I thought I had been doing the right thing for this lady's RfA here and defending it again here. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:02, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Kudpung I'm sorry to see you go and to lose your support, especially since women make up nearly half the human race that will limit your contributions on Wikipedia. Only you can know when to bow out, however and I respect that. We all have to have boundaries for ourselves and what we can handle. I did not know anything about the discussions going on and I'm dismayed that I'm still being brought up in reference to what happened at the RfA. I thought that was over. :( Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Kudpung I too am sorry to see you go. I know nothing of the situation with the arbitrator you refer to but would only state that one person does not a group make. Like Sue, however, I understand that when our boundaries are crossed, we each have to make decisions to protect ourselves and which work for our situations. I have thoroughly enjoyed working with you and appreciate your help and support of women and improving articles about them. SusunW (talk) 16:13, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

• I just need to make one correction: 'former' arbitrator. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:21, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Kudpung: Hold on. Am I correct in assuming that this all stems from one talk page discussion? If so, your reaction is extremely disproportionate. (cc Megalibrarygirl and SusunW, who may not have seen what started this.) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • It's not only disproportionate. There's no obvious connection between Women in Red and the exchange that sparked this. SarahSV ^(talk) 19:23, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

• SlimVirgin, agree; I don't see an obvious connection. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

The only connection I see, Rosiestep and SlimVirgin is that members of WiR were involved in two discussions... one about RfA (me) and one about consistent naming conventions (Gorilla Warfare). Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:04, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

• Hello everyone (@Gorilla Warfare, Kudpung, Megalibrarygirl, SusunW, SlimVirgin, and Ed17. I hope there's been a chance for reflection and that some of this has been sorted out while I've spent time this weekend with my family, away from the internet. If there's some specific follow-up you would like from me in the next few days, please let me know. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:43, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

• Nothing from me at least—I've posted on Kudpung's talk to try to clear it up and I'm not really clear why he involved you to begin with. I hope you enjoy your family time! GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:06, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

The "misandry" that you have to put up with over the course of your entire life probably doesn't equal what a single one of these women has to put up with on a single day on Wikipedia. I'm glad you have been an ardent supporter of gender equality your entire life, but so have many other men, and we haven't withdrawn that support because one woman made a polite request of us. Why are you posting here? Are you expecting the Ekklesiazousai to proclaim you Proud Defender of Women and beg you not to depart? Gamaliel (talk) 21:49, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Rubbish, Gamaliel. You should know me better, and nowhere have I said or even inferred that I have had to put up with "misandry" over the course of my entire life - I haven't. Quite to the contrary, I have been an active campaigner for gender equality (and LGBT) for decades before Wikipedia was conceived. GorillaWarfare has now apologised. I wrongly assumed that she was an active member of WIR, and I apologise for that error. I think we can close this. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:48, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

User:GorillaWarfare does not have to apologise for anything. Her request is one that could be reasonably made by any editor. Xxanthippe (talk) 07:49, 13 August 2018 (UTC).

@Xxanthippe: you need to pipe down, you were the cause of all this. When you are a bit calmer, you can join me and Ritchie in the pub. Mine's a glass of cool Tavel, or if you're buying dinner, a robust Vacqueyras or Gigondas will do fine with wild boar or caramelized saddle of hare. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:10, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Nothing will convince us more of your commitment to gender equality than you telling a woman to pipe down. Gamaliel (talk) 12:55, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

As I said to the gathered masses in Pendrel's Oak yesterday, I am still a strong supporter of Women in Red / Green and believe it to be one of the best projects we have - as you can see (or at least infer) from my recent mainspace contributions, I am beavering away trying to get a biography of a woman to GA status, which is something I have rarely done. If we could all concentrate on this, and not worry about one of the project members running into disruption (which I hope can be resolved), the project will be for the better. Let's keep the content up and the drama down. And you know what, if Megalibrarygirl had been sat next to me in the pub yesterday with a pint of IPA in one hand saying "hell yes, I couldn't agree with you more" I'd have got my point across even quicker. (By the way, congratulations on your stepson's wedding, Rosie). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:18, 13 August 2018 (UTC)