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*'''Support'''. ''[[Little Women]]'' and the "[[Battle Hymn of the Republic]]" were both composed in the 19th century, so one would expect [[Category:19th-century compositions]] to apply to both of them. Since the category is meant to apply only to music and not just anything that could be composed, it ought to have a name that demonstrates its scope. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 00:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. ''[[Little Women]]'' and the "[[Battle Hymn of the Republic]]" were both composed in the 19th century, so one would expect [[Category:19th-century compositions]] to apply to both of them. Since the category is meant to apply only to music and not just anything that could be composed, it ought to have a name that demonstrates its scope. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 00:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''', per key article name and to reduce ambiguity. The situation is not totally analogous to "Composer", which automatically implies musical composer - several other meanings of the word composition use "compositor" or do not have an equivalent noun form. Poems and essays are compositions, as (more trivially in the case of this category) are some chemicals, equations, and legal documents. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 04:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''', per key article name and to reduce ambiguity. The situation is not totally analogous to "Composer", which automatically implies musical composer - several other meanings of the word composition use "compositor" or do not have an equivalent noun form. Poems and essays are compositions, as (more trivially in the case of this category) are some chemicals, equations, and legal documents. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 04:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – clear enough [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. Also, [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (music)]] has a category example that says "compositions ..." and not "musical compositions ..." (meaning: that guideline is not going to change if there's no preliminary notification on its talk page that a change is being discussed somewhere else – and the current proposal above is against the current guidance, and would from that perspective also be unacceptable). --[[User:Francis Schonken|Francis Schonken]] ([[User talk:Francis Schonken|talk]]) 06:13, 25 March 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Theatre award footer templates

Nominator's rationale: expand the small (two subcats and one template) category to allow inclusion of Category:Drama Desk Award templates, Category:Helpmann Awards templates, Category:Helpmann Awards templates, etc as subcategories. —⁠andrybak (talk) 23:10, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Current Honkbal Hoofdklasse team rosters templates

Nominator's rationale: A category for a single team, that has a single template. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Clock templates

Nominator's rationale: All of these templates are used on user and user talk pages. Merge the smaller, newer category into the older, bigger category. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hellboy films

Nominator's rationale: Seems like a bit of a WP:SMALLCAT, and a bit redundant given that there's already a relevant navbox. DonIago (talk) 20:22, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Musical compositions

Propose renaming 1,342 categories. These categories plus their subcats:
... plus subcats, giving a total of 1,342 categories to rename. The full list of renamings is at WT:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 24#Musical compositions.
Nominator's rationale to resolve ambiguity, and match the parent Category:Musical compositions and the head article Musical composition.
The term "Compositions" is highly ambiguous: see the disambiguation page Composition, which has 9 entries under "Arts", out of a total of 26 entries.
Note that I have not included some subcats of Category:Musical compositions where the "musical" context is arguably inferred from the name, e.g. Category:Compositions by instrumentation+subcat, Category:Compositions by key+subcats, Category:Classical compositions + subcats. If there is consensus to rename the categories which are included in this nomination, then those edge cases can be considered in separate followup nominations.
Note that this seems to me to meet WP:C2D, since it is to match the head article Musical composition. If you support speedy renaming, please mention that in your !vote. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Only five categories used the word "composer". 1,341 use the word "composition". Whatever the primary meaning of "composer", that question is irrelevant here, because this is not a proposal to rename "composer" to "musical composer".
  • There are 389 chronology categories which give no indication of music, e.g. Category:19th-century compositions, or Category:1957 compositions.
  • Reliance on Bach and Mozart to prove your case is an extreme exercise in cherrypicking.
    there are 936 subcats of Category:Compositions by composer. Very few of them are household names like Bach or Mozart, so most of the names will be meaningless to most readers. A title such as Category:Compositions by Michel van der Aa gives zero clue to vast majority of readers, who will never have heard of Michel van der Aa..
If you want to argue that the default meaning of 'composition' seems to be 'composition of music', them WP:RM is thataway where you can argue the case for making a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT or even a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. But the existing consensus is that musical composition is not the primary topic for "composition".
As I made this nomination, I thought that that if anyone was going to oppose this renaming, it would be Gerda . It seems to me that as someone immersed in musical topics, you have overlooked the fact that Wikipedia is written for a general readership, for whom classical music is a minority interest. General readers don't start with the assumptions or knowledge of a skilled topic expert like Gerda. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't examined the list, and will not, because I have no extra time. I read in Musical composition, "Musical composition, music composition, or simply composition ...". I have written hundreds of articles on compositions, and never felt that "is a composition" needed an adjective to clarify. My 2ct: not needed in categories either. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt, your point about writing articles is not relevant, because in the text of an article the musical context is clear. A similar situation exists with many many terms, where the qualifying adjective can be omitted when it is clear from the context. Category titles may be seen in any context, where the musical meaning is not self-evident, which is why category title follow article names.
I trust that the closer will draw their own conclusions about how much weight to attach the objections of someone who won't even look at the list of nominated categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:02, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Northern Virginia politicians

Nominator's rationale: Subcategorizing politicians by region of the state is overcategorizing. TM 17:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It's a culturally distinct region (together with Richmond and bits of Hampton Roads, they basically run the state and ignore the rest of us), but the problem is that it doesn't have precise boundaries. Is a delegate from Frederick County from Northern Virginia? (It's the northernmost county in the state, but "Northern Virginia normally doesn't mean that far west.) What about a senator from Spotsylvania County? It's far southeast of Frederick, but it's linked by Interstate 95 to Northern Virginia and basically a part of the metro area now. Same with politicians from Culpeper County, another fringe county. And finally, what about a politician who moves from Arlington County to Dickenson County (like that would ever happen); would we categorise him as being Northern Virginia or Southwestern Virginia, or both? Much better to split up the politicians by city or county, if we need to split them up. Nyttend (talk) 22:56, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Reform synagogues in West Virginia

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Reform synagogues in the United States. Small category (2 articles) that is unlikely to substantially grow. TM 17:02, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Deaths from fire in June 2017

Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT and there's no parent Deaths from fire in month, year categorization scheme. The category itself contains one structural fire, one wildfire, one explosion and one person, while Category:Deaths from fire is reserved for persons. Brandmeistertalk 16:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Iranian songs

Nominator's rationale: Redundant - Songs should be categorized after language and/or genre (and Iranian is not a language). Semsurî (talk) 16:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Term 'Iranian' can be misleading since it can be understood as the the pan-ethnic term or confused for Persians (which many believe Iranian is a synonym of). The category could be renamed "songs from/of Iran" but again not relevant. --Semsurî (talk) 17:07, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBT members of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:LGBT city councillors from the United States, ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:LGBT history in San Francisco, and ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:LGBT people from the San Francisco Bay Area. This is an overly narrow triple intersection of municipality, sexual orientation, and political office. TM 15:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tank names

Nominator's rationale: The existence of this category tree gives the impression that we have articles about the naming of tanks - we don't. What we have is 4 dab-like SIAs that are much better categorized in Category:Set indices on military vehicles.  Note: These pages would probably be better as dabs because incoming links are mostly/all intended to be to a specific article, but that's a separate issue. DexDor (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I haven't proposed upmerging to the tanks-of-country categories as the actual articles (e.g. Tiger II) are already in those categories and these pseudo-dabs don't need to be. DexDor (talk) 18:49, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Municipalities of Negros (Philippines)

Nominator's rationale: Empty category of a defunct region. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 11:54, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eponymous categories about Czech politicians

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous categories that do not pass WP:OCEPON. For instance, these categories have been populated by elections in which the politician was a candidate, works where they appear as a character, places they have been, parties or cabinets they have been a part of, battles they have fought etc., most often not central either to the biography or the event. Once purged of ineligible content, there would be too few articles to justify a category. @Bedivere.cs: courtesy pinging creator. Place Clichy (talk) 11:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe, WilliamJE, and Oculi: more categories were added after your vote, I therefore invite you to check if your answer is still the same. Place Clichy (talk) 16:49, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom—I checked a few and they are correct that they violate guidelines. buidhe 11:34, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reaffirming !vote after more categories were added. These all appear to be a similar case. buidhe 16:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More eponymous categories about Czech politicians

Nominator's rationale: These categories have comparatively more content than the first list above. They are listed separately to leave room for discussion about separate case-by-case outcome, as it is debatable in most cases if this content is indeed defining per our standards. E.g. the 1948 Czechoslovak coup d'état involved many actors besides Klement Gottwald, which is the only eponymous category for an individual featured in this article, but it would probably not make a good Wikipedia policy to add such a category for all the major actors involved in this event. In another example, I wonder if Je to na nás!, a demonstration against Andrej Babiš, is worth placing in a Category:Andrej Babiš. For these reasons I also believe that they do not pass the criteria set in the WP:OCEPON guideline. Place Clichy (talk) 16:49, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish beverages

Nominator's rationale: Only 2 articles. No other religious beverages categories and these seem sufficiently categorised already. Rathfelder (talk) 10:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Yemenite Jewish cuisine

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article Rathfelder (talk) 10:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television series created by Emily Spivey

Nominator's rationale: only 1 article Rathfelder (talk) 10:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Herbert Baker

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEPON. Contains only 2 articles about buildings by this South African architect. Place Clichy (talk) 10:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Paul Kruger

Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON and WP:SHAREDNAME. Category contains a mixture of unrelated or loosely related articles (such as Clarens, Switzerland) and things named after Kruger (Krugersdorp). Child Category:Cultural depictions of Paul Kruger‎ is not affected by this nomination. Place Clichy (talk) 10:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:TV memes

Nominator's rationale: Defined as "TV shows that became Internet memes." Too subjective to form the basis of a category. Only 1 article. Rathfelder (talk) 09:28, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — per nom rationale. N2e (talk) 13:59, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish confections

Nominator's rationale: No other ethnic confectionary categories. Rathfelder (talk) 09:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Books by Leszek Kołakowski

Nominator's rationale: Only 1. He wrote quite a lot, but in Polish and no sign of any articles about his other books. Rathfelder (talk) 08:58, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. You know, I used to think exactly the same way you do about categories like this. So I nominated Category:Books by Tom O'Carroll for deletion. Feel free to review the discussion here. It was short, resulting in a quick decision to keep the category. Same exact issues apply here. Freeknowledgecreator (talk) 09:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films about struggles

Nominator's rationale: Only one article. Undefined and uncategorised. Rathfelder (talk) 08:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Metal bands with Lord of the Rings names

Nominator's rationale: Undefining association Rathfelder (talk) 08:18, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per nom rationale. N2e (talk) 13:58, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Boeing spacecraft and space launch systems

Nominator's rationale: The latter one is more WP:CONCISE. Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 05:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as although it is more concise, it is quite simply not correct to refer, for example, to a Delta IV rocket as a space vehicle, as only the second stage is ever a space vehicle, and then briefly for only a few hours, and then often just becomes space debris as a derelict rocket stage (but only the 2nd stage; not the entirel "Delta IV") is often left in orbit long term by its launch service provider (ULA) with full support of its customer (USAF). A second example: it is not the case that the Vandenberg Air Force Base Space Launch Complex 6 is a "space vehicle." Now one could remove those sorts of articles, and create some new subcategories for Boeing... ; but that's not the current proposal. Cheers. N2e (talk) 13:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per N2e; concision is better when shorter and longer phrases have the same meaning, but when they have distinctly different meanings, you have to use a longer category name if you want a bigger scope. Nyttend (talk) 22:58, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United Launch Alliance space launch vehicles

Nominator's rationale: The latter one is more WP:CONCISE. Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 05:10, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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