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New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019

Hello Citobun,

Backlog

Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.

Coordinator

A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.

This month's refresher course

Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired Ballonman, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for making the occasional mistake while others can learn from their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.

Deletion tags

Do bear in mind that articles in the feed showing the trash can icon (you will need to have 'Nominated for deletion' enabled for this in your filters) may have been tagged by inexperienced or non NPR rights holders using Twinkle. They require your further verification.

Paid editing

Please be sure to look for the tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary. WMF policy requires paid editors to connect to their adverts.

Subject-specific notability guidelines' (SNG). Alternatives to deletion

• Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves once more with notability guidelines for organisations and companies.
• Blank-and-Redirect is a solution anchored in policy. Please consider this alternative before PRODing or CSD. Note however, that users will often revert or usurp redirects to re-create deleted articles. Do regularly patrol the redirects in the feed.

Not English

• A common issue: Pages not in English or poor, unattributed machine translations should not reside in main space even if they are stubs. Please ensure you are familiar with WP:NPPNE. Check in Google for the language and content, and if they do have potential, tag as required, then move to draft. Modify the text of the template as appropriate before sending it.

Tools

Regular reviewers will appreciate the most recent enhancements to the New Pages Feed and features in the Curation tool, and there are still more to come. Due to the wealth of information now displayed by ORES, reviewers are strongly encouraged to use the system now rather than Twinkle; it will also correctly populate the logs.

Stub sorting, by SD0001: A new script is available for adding/removing stub tags. See User:SD0001/StubSorter.js, It features a simple HotCat-style dynamic search field. Many of the reviewers who are using it are finding it an improvement upon other available tools.

Assessment: The script at User:Evad37/rater makes the addition of Wikiproject templates extremely easy. New page creators rarely do this. Reviewers are not obliged to make these edits but they only take a few seconds. They can use the Curation message system to let the creator know what they have done.

DannyS712 bot III is now patrolling certain categories of uncontroversial redirects. Curious? Check out its patrol log.

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About issues concerning HK

Dear,

I have cited the proper sources for constructive editing on Wikipedia. Please refrain from deliberate vandalism. Meanwhile, as Wikipedia is a free one, please abide by the policy that anyone may edit it as long as the sources be cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mockingjay28 (talk • contribs) 09:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Mockingjay28: Please review the policies at WP:BLP and WP:NPOV. Secondly, the sources you are citing at Joint Declaration do not actually reflect the content you are adding, only the position of the Chinese gov't. Citobun (talk) 09:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

As illustrated in the declaration, HK is part of China under the basic law. Therefore, the Chinese government is the official one to state the status of HK, not the Group of 7, in which neither mainland China nor HK is involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mockingjay28 (talk • contribs) 09:22, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Mockingjay28: It's called "joint declaration" for a reason. The content you are adding is uncited and controversial. It's not Wikipedia's role to issue a judgement on this issue. Citobun (talk) 09:24, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter November 2019

Hello Citobun,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.

Getting the queue to 0

There are now 809 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox.
Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards.

Coordinator

Admin Barkeep49 has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers.

This month's refresher course

Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.

Tools

• It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
• It is now also possible for accredited reviewers to put any article back into the New Pages Feed for re-review. The link is under 'Tools' in the side bar.

Reviewer Feedback

Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13.

Second set of eyes

• Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
• Do be sure to have our talk page on your watchlist. There are often items that require reviewers' special attention, such as to watch out for pages by known socks or disruptive editors, technical issues and new developments, and of course to provide advice for other reviewers.

Arbitration Committee

The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights.

Community Wish list

There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion.

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Kartikeya Sharma restored

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New Page Review newsletter December 2019

Reviewer of the Year

This year's Reviewer of the Year is Rosguill. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.

Special commendation again goes to Onel5969 who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to Boleyn and JTtheOG who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

Top 10 Reviewers over the last 365 days

Rank	Username	Num reviews	Log
1	Rosguill (talk)	47,395	Patrol Page Curation
2	Onel5969 (talk)	41,883	Patrol Page Curation
3	JTtheOG (talk)	11,493	Patrol Page Curation
4	Arthistorian1977 (talk)	5,562	Patrol Page Curation
5	DannyS712 (talk)	4,866	Patrol Page Curation
6	CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk)	3,995	Patrol Page Curation
7	DragonflySixtyseven (talk)	3,812	Patrol Page Curation
8	Boleyn (talk)	3,655	Patrol Page Curation
9	Ymblanter (talk)	3,553	Patrol Page Curation
10	Cwmhiraeth (talk)	3,522	Patrol Page Curation

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

Redirect autopatrol

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by DannyS712 bot III.

Source Guide Discussion

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.

This month's refresher course

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag.

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Online Conference call for Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong in 2020

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We will soon hold our first online conference call of year 2020 in the coming days. As a major part of preparation work ^[1] will be held in our Telegram group, we wish you to join us in Telegram and are also looking forward to your opinion.

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About: Second online meeting of Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong in 2020

Dear Citobun,

This is User:1233 from the Hong Kong User Group.

We will be hosting our second online meeting on the Hong Kong User Group's Wikipedia Discord Server [1], where we will be discussing matters that weren't finalized at the last meeting. We will also be discussing the future of the User Group at the same time. Please join us on the server at that date. If you do not have a Discord account, please feel free to register one or contact me for more details.

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Re:Tsim Sha Tsui station

If including such information, which is verifiable, is merely presenting political point of view, therefore has to be deleted, then Yuen Long and Prince Edward station has to do the same, otherwise it would be double standard.--owennson（Meeting Room、Certificates) 08:59, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

WP:NNC. Notability does not apply to the content within the article. Also, how much the media reported, how much the information I added. That is not any political viewpoint, that is a FACT. It HAPPENED. The station was destroyed, like it or not.--owennson（Meeting Room、Certificates) 12:54, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Well... no, the station wasn't destroyed. Anyway, I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong to find consensus on this. Thanks, Citobun (talk) 13:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter February 2020

Hello Citobun,

Source Guide Discussion

The first NPP source guide discussion is now underway. It covers a wide range of sources in Ghana with the goal of providing more guidance to reviewers about sources they might see when reviewing pages. Hopefully, new page reviewers will join others interested in reliable sources and those with expertise in these sources to make the discussion a success.

Redirects

New to NPP? Looking to try something a little different? Consider patrolling some redirects. Redirects are relatively easy to review, can be found easily through the New Pages Feed. You can find more information about how to patrol redirects at WP:RPATROL.

Discussions and Resources

• There is an ongoing discussion around changing notifications for new editors who attempt to write articles.
• A recent discussion of whether Michelin starred restraunts are notable was archived without closure.
• A resource page with links pertinent for reviewers was created this month.
• A proposal to increase the scope of G5 was withdrawn.

Refresher

Geographic regions, areas and places generally do not need general notability guideline type sourcing. When evaluating whether an article meets this notability guideline please also consider whether it might actually be a form of WP:SPAM for a development project (e.g. PR for a large luxury residential development) and not actually covered by the guideline.

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March 2020

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at 2019-20 Hong Kong Protests. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. WP:BOOMERANG Sleath56 (talk) 02:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Please don't post frivolous warning templates on my talk page. You are the one edit warring (three reverts and counting). Citobun (talk) 02:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Clearly an issue of WP:CIR exists if you can't see the unresponded comments I've left on the Talk thread you've opened under the claim that you wanted to prevent an edit war and gain community feedback. Sleath56 (talk) 02:20, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Link issues - Tingyat

Pray tell, what are the problems with the External Links that I've attached to two or more Wikipedia page - in particular the one's you have just removed from Ghost Festivals and Sai Yeung Choi Street?

I hope you have very good reason for doing so. The photo galleries to which the links point contain images that are of significant interest and specifically relevant to each of those sections.

Looking forward to your comments and reasons.

TIA

Tingyat (talk) 06:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Tingyat most of your edits (going back to 2007) serve to add links to websites promoting the work of one particular photographer, hence it appears to me like a case of WP:EL#ADV. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a vehicle for promotion. In addition, the articles already have links to their respective Commons image pages, and the links you are adding seem to be outside the scope of what the external links section should contain. Thanks, Citobun (talk) 07:36, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit Warring

Hi, I'm EGL1234, and I wanted to inform you about a case of edit warring on the page "Kowloon". Although you are on the correct side of the argument (IMO), you are constantly reverting IP Account 100.12.216.122's revisions. If you carry on participating, you may be blocked by an admin.

I know how frustrating it feels when someone keeps reverting your edits, but instead, just tell an admin perhaps on the Teahouse to block them.

EGL1234 (talk) 03:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks User:EGL1234 for the notice. I only made one revert on that page. Anyway, I already reported the IP to ARV for edit warring after level 4 template warning & abusive edit summaries. Citobun (talk) 04:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you User: Citobun. I really appreciate your help. EGL1234 (talk) 04:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Monster Building

Hi. What do you mean by not public housing? The template was put into the original articles of the Monster Building's sub-blocks. Then why put this template into the article if it is not related? Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 09:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Teemeah: I removed the template from the article. It's not public housing. Citobun (talk) 09:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

I see that. Can you also tell what your problem is with the sources of the article? Did you actually check the sources? And what is it if not public housing...? Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 09:54, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Teemeah: The article claims things such as "because it is such a dense living space, it is difficult to have it demolished" which, from an engineering standpoint, makes no sense. So there should be better/more reliable sources attesting to such claims. Secondly, there should be more evidence that "Monster Building" is the common English name of this building. It just seems like a nickname among foreign instagrammers. I don't understand your last question about public housing. Citobun (talk) 10:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article titles and naming conventions already describe that the subject should be called by the name it is most widely know at in English. I don't think anyone knows this building by its Cantonese name outside of HK. Whether it is instagrammers, Time Out Hong Kong, South China Morning Post or videos on youtube. There are other examples, like China Zun which is featured by its popular English name instead of its original Chinese name. Or Petronas Towers that deviates even from its official English name. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 20:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Upmerging proposed

Pease see my proposal to upmerge Category:Railway stations in Hong Kong opened in 2020 to Category:Railway stations in China opened in 2020 as we do not have categories for subnational divisions like railway stations in California opened in 2019 or railway stations in Hong Kong opened in 2020. And the categories by country should be restricted to those countries with a number of new railway stations in all or most years e.g at present only China, Canada, Russia and the United States. Hugo999 (talk) 21:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Discussion about Link Reit editing

Hi According to Link REIT (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Link_REIT&oldid=948093289), I totally agree with you that ‘monopoly’ has been referenced in the body of Link REIT’s wikipedia. However, there is no reference to refer Link REIT as a “corporate monster”. This term and the statement are misleading which has harmed Link REIT’s reputation unjustly. Such term and statement are completely a defamation and must not be posted on wikipedia according to Wikipedia:Libel. "The goal of Wikipedia is to create an encyclopedic information source adhering to a neutral point of view, with all information being referenced through the citation of reliable published sources, so as to maintain a standard of verifiability". Also, as Wiki’s co-founder Jimmy Wales said, zero information is preferred to misleading or false information. As such, the statement ‘it has been widely considered a “corporate monster” in Hong Kong partly responsible for the city’s socioeconomic issues’ must be removed from wikipedia.

DYK for Suara (newspaper)

On 10 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Suara (newspaper), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a Suara journalist was partially blinded while covering the 2019–20 Hong Kong protests? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Suara (newspaper)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Vanamonde (Talk) 00:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations! Your hook made our all-time DYK page views list! Yoninah (talk) 11:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Hong Kong protest edits

Hey, I have noticed my edits regarding the HK protests are reverted. Editors strive to maintain neutrality, but there is limited coverage of the other side and lesser-known side of the protests. The article in of itself is neutral, but the information provided is totally one-sided to the side of the protestors. Therefore, I proposed adding a section - "criticism of protestors," to which you deleted. If there is criticism of police responses, there should also be a criticism of the protestors section to balance things out and maintain a neutral even-handed tone. The criticism of violent methods, the counter-protests, and the people's negative views of the protests should also be presented to an audience who may not know about these protests. There are always positive and negative evaluations in any controversial article or Wikipedia pages of controversial figures, and I believe it is only right to do that. As a new user, I understand my citations and content may be a bit off, but I believe with the help of VIPs and other more senior and experienced editors like you, we can add a section like this and present the concerns and criticism of the protests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starslayer1234 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I think we need to create new article about the new bill

Hi, there! It looks Wikipedia needs a new article about law of Honk Kong re on BBC news (BBC, China proposes controversial Hong Kong security law, May 21, 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52759578). I placed request on Wikipedia:WikiProject Hong Kong/Requests. I may add my own minor working with fixing References templates or like that, but my English is a bit weak as second language. Also, all issues of Asian English are very difficult for me (how to call article, will it similar 2019 Hong Kong extradition bill or National Security (Legislative Provisions) Bill 2003?). I see you now on Hong Kong Basic Law Article 23. The two topics, new 2020 bill and this one, Hong Kong Basic Law Article 23, looks to be close topics? Best wishes. PoetVeches (talk) 18:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

In fact, this article of the topic was created already long ago, that is National People's Congress Decision on Hong Kong national security legislation. There is only a bit puzzling how to call article (see Talk:National People's Congress Decision on Hong Kong national security legislation). So, I found and answered to myself while you was busy :) PoetVeches (talk) 22:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion about Link REIT reference

Hi, According to Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Undue_weightDue and Undue Weight of Wikipedia’s NPOV, the term ‘corporate monster’ in your reference is only described by extremely minority. There is no another reference in Google regarding describing LINK REIT as a ‘corporate monster’. More importantly, the reference is belonged to an OPINION column - the view by Richard Harris. Personal opinion can’t be a reference except it's professional Wikipedia:Verifiability#Newspaper_and_magazine_blogs . Moreover, according to Richard Harris’ article, he only mentioned that "…it is described as ‘corporate monster’” but he did not provide any reference to support this. His article is not a professional one.

Unless you can find a few more strong reference to refer Link REIT to ‘corporate monster’, I don’t think the reference you provided is strong enough to support that Link REIT is a corporate monster. Please remember "All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic". 21:00, 24 May 2020 ((GMT+10) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jybl (talk • contribs)

New Page Reviewer newsletter June 2020

Hello Citobun,

Your help can make a difference

NPP Sorting can be a great way to find pages needing new page patrolling that match your strengths and interests. Using ORES, it divides articles into topics such as Literature or Chemistry and on Geography. Take a look and see if you can find time to patrol a couple pages a day. With over 10,000 pages in the queue, the highest it's been since ACPERM, your help could really make a difference.

Google Adds New Languages to Google Translate

In late February, Google added 5 new languages to Google Translate: Kinyarwanda, Odia (Oriya), Tatar, Turkmen and Uyghur. This expands our ability to find and evaluate sources in those languages.

Discussions and Resources

• A discussion on handling new article creation by paid editors is ongoing at the Village Pump.
• Also at the Village Pump is a discussion about limiting participation at Articles for Deletion discussion.
• A proposed new speedy deletion criteria for certain kinds of redirects ended with no consensus.
• Also ending with no change was a proposal to change how we handle certain kinds of vector images.

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Hi, I want to contribute

Hi! I love HK, and I think that I found something useful to add to the article 2020 Hong Kong Legislative Council candidates' disqualification controversy. This piece of news where I can clearly recognise Jimmy Sham and Sunny Cheung but not the other three. As I have translated, they have also been DQ. Is it right?. Thank you and my warmest greetings. CoryGlee (talk) 21:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Kau To Shan

I don't understand your actions taken against the revised version of 'Kau To Shan'. You put that the real estate pages were not trustworthy. However, they show valid transactions being made - the price you see on the houses are what came through on the contract. Therefore, please stop reverting these changes entirely, at least try and cut things out that you deem are 'falsified'. Thank you. Hushbraun (talk) 04:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I have replied at Talk:Kau To Shan. Citobun (talk) 00:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Offer of help

I'm a Hong Kong English-language editor, back on Wikipedia after a hiatus. If there are HK pages that need cleaning up, please let me know. PumpkinKitten (talk) 16:23, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Your notice on my page

Hi this is to let you know I have responded to your blanking notice on my page. Festerhauer (talk) 09:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Display of traditional and simplified characters in HK articles

Hi! Just as an FYI there was a discussion about this at the Manual of Style for China-related articles: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/China_and_Chinese-related_articles#Request_for_comment:_Do_the_traditional_and_simplified_forms_of_Chinese_count_as_the_same_name_or_different_names_in_regards_to_eligibility_of_displaying_characters?

As per the RFC the default is to display both Traditional and Simplified characters for topics related to the Chinese-speaking world.

The closer stated "A few editors limited their support for displaying both to the infobox, and most editors noted that there is room for case-by-case exceptions."

As per Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/China_and_Chinese-related_articles#Display_of_simplified_characters_in_Template:Infobox_Chinese_at_ROC_articles another user interpreted that as if a user wants an exception for an article, one needs to get consensus for that article.

What I meant by post-1997 is that Mandarin gained currency after that, not so much simplified characters. However the latter are usually to be displayed anyway as per the RFC.

WhisperToMe (talk) 06:12, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

If you wish to challenge my revert please consult the MOS talk page on Chinese related articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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New Page Patrol December Newsletter

Hello Citobun,

Year in review

It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by Rosguill who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to JTtheOG and Onel5969 who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to John B123, Hughesdarren, and Mccapra who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by DannyS712 which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.

Rank	Username	Num reviews	Log
1	DannyS712 bot III (talk)	67,552	Patrol Page Curation
2	Rosguill (talk)	63,821	Patrol Page Curation
3	John B123 (talk)	21,697	Patrol Page Curation
4	Onel5969 (talk)	19,879	Patrol Page Curation
5	JTtheOG (talk)	12,901	Patrol Page Curation
6	Mcampany (talk)	9,103	Patrol Page Curation
7	DragonflySixtyseven (talk)	6,401	Patrol Page Curation
8	Mccapra (talk)	4,918	Patrol Page Curation
9	Hughesdarren (talk)	4,520	Patrol Page Curation
10	Utopes (talk)	3,958	Patrol Page Curation

Reviewer of the Year

John B123 has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.

NPP Technical Achievement Award

As a special recognition and thank you DannyS712 has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 2262 Low – 2232 High – 10271

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Congratulations on the No. 7 hook of 2020!

The 2020 totals are now complete, and your hook for Suara (newspaper) ranked as the No. 7 hook of the year with 2,581 DYK views per hour. A list of the 25 most viewed hooks of 2020 can be viewed at "Top hooks of 2020". Congratulations on your hook's remarkable showing, and keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Cbl62! Citobun (talk) 03:16, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Shenzhen Bay

Is there any reason why this control point gotta be removed from the Yuen Long district template? Yes there were, please state them in the template's talk page. 203.218.129.244 (talk) 12:26, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

@203.218.129.244: I have replied on the talk page. Citobun (talk) 12:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Featured article review MTR

I have nominated MTR for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. FemkeMilene (talk) 17:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

ANI Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#PailSimon.  // Timothy :: talk  18:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Shau Kei Wan Government Secondary School for deletion

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CLAUDIA MO

Stop reversing my edits on Claudia Mo's page. I have inserted factual information about her arrest under the NSL, her bail hearing and the fact that she is now remanded in gaol custody for three months. I will add a citation to newspaper reports to support this. It is also a well known fact that she is a controversial politician. If she were not controversial, she would not be facing criminal prosecution for conspiracy to commit subversion. Thank you. Stoatmonster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stoatmonster (talk • contribs) 17:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Suara logo.png

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Happy St. Patrick's Day

Happy St. Patrick's Day! I hope your St. Patrick's Day is enjoyable and safe. Hopefully next year there will be more festive celebrations. Best wishes from Los Angeles.   // Timothy :: talk

Complaint about your edits at WP:AN3

Please see WP:AN3#User:Citobun reported by User:86.9.227.81 (Result: ). You may respond there if you wish. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 22:21, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

One of these things is not like the others

Hi again, Citobun. Just wanted to touch on something you said at your Hong Kong Free Press protection request: ...Hong Kong media outlets such as Apple Daily, RTHK, and Epoch Times (perm link, bold is my emphasis). Two things stand out for me: 1. As the opening sentence to the The Epoch Times notes, the publication is considered "Far-right" — non-RS: was deprecated on Wikipedia in 2019 (WP:EPOCHTIMES). And 2. Although expressly an "international" publication, I always thought their general locus was more Taiwan than Hong Kong — possibly, a misconception on my part...? Regards, El_C 14:25, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi El_C, to be honest I have never read the Epoch Times, though I am aware it is not mainstream media as Apple Daily and RTHK are. It was on my mind since their Hong Kong printing press was attacked last week ([1], [2]), which was big news here. I am not sure of their geographic focus, although Falun Gong street booths are commonly seen in busy parts of Hong Kong, where they hand out copies of the paper, and at pro-democracy protests. Regardless of their editorial slant or reliability (or lack thereof), I think the printing press incident is part of a broader trend of intimidation and attacks against non-pro-government (usually that means independent) Hong Kong journalists and news organisations. Best, Citobun (talk) 14:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Interesting — I was unaware of that printing press incident. Though I wouldn't call The Epoch Times contributors "journalists," except in so far that they are "bad journalists." Regards, El_C 14:59, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

El_C – I'll be sure to pick up a copy next time to see what the fuss is about :). I just looked at their English homepage and didn't expect it would be so Americentric. Anyway thanks again for the assistance. Citobun (talk) 15:12, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Brain worms at your own risk, Citobun! For sure, glad I was able to help. El_C 15:15, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Reverted neutrality edit on Hong Kong Free Press

Hi Citobun! I recently made a minor edit to the Hong Kong Free Press page to change a sentence credibility rating of 5.56 out of 10 that the Hong Kong Free Press received to make the sentence more neutral. Can you please explain why you have reverted my change? 219.79.0.26 (talk) 15:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi 219.79.0.26 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), I reverted this edit because it does not seem to me to be an improvement – it appears to remove important contextual information and the reason for doing so is not clear. The original content is not an "opinion" or a "POV" statement (as you wrote in your two edit summaries). It is neutrally worded and is reflected by the cited source. Please discuss further on the article's talk page. Thanks, Citobun (talk) 02:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Halifax

Hi! I intend to make some update of the pl.wikipedia-article on pl:Halifax (Kanada), but I stuck in the beginning of it. First, I plan to update the status of the place according to [3], so it became not a city (miasto) as it is now, but a metropolitan area (obszar metropolitalny). But there is a problem: in the lead pl.wikipedia-article it stands, that Halifax is the capital of Nova Scotia. I couldn't find a reliable source, that says, that Halifax (metropolitan area) is no more the capital. In pl.wikipedia there will be also an article for regional municipality [4]. Could you help me? User:Paelius 19:58, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect

What the disgusting attitude of you and your pro-Beijing is utterly incorrect!

Reverted 1 edit by Ngyk198 (talk): Not an appropriate use of the "close" parameter Ngyk198 (talk) 11:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ngyk198: What? Citobun (talk) 12:17, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Tuen Ma Line.

As of 29th May, 2021, the MTR has announced that it will open on the 27th June 2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheIdeasOfPanthers (talk • contribs) 01:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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Removal of More citations needed

Hi, you removed More citations needed|date=July 2021 from Melanau people, Divisions section without adding any citations. May I ask why? The section still has no citations. Likewise you have reverted a number date changes I reverted as the users who did them were subsequently suspended from editing due to making unreferenced changes. Please see User talk:183.78.44.154. Sciencefish (talk) 08:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sciencefish: I am making hundreds of reverts of Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Date-changing vandal from Malaysia, apologies if I have reverted a legitimate edit by mistake. Citobun (talk) 09:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Please look at these two who have been blocked from editing for changing such dates: Special:Contributions/183.78.44.154 and Special:Contributions/Diane Molly Handerson. You have inadvertantly included me as a vandal and reverted my reverts of these individuals. Apology accepted. Sciencefish (talk) 09:19, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

LTA

Hey, I saw you reverted the changes to the LTA list so I wanted to explain. I removed the cases that are no longer active, already archived by somebody else (some haven't been active since 2010 or before), or pending, and then went through the pending ones, approved many of them, then added them back. I don't see a reason for undoing that as the vast majority of pending cases that needed to be added back already were (apologies for missing the Date-changing vandal from Malaysia), and the archived ones that are practically useless are cluttering up the page. Even if somebody needed the archived cases, they can all be found here. It'd be more useful if instead of reverting the changes, adding any you deem useful that I missed back to the short list (intended to be shorter, see full list here). I went ahead and set the Date-changing vandal from Malaysia to active. Thanks. 0qd (talk) 13:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks 0qd, I understand and will self-revert. You are correct that it was the Malaysian case being removed that confused me. Since unfortunately he/she is still very active... Citobun (talk) 05:05, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination declined

I have just declined your speedy deletion nomination for DJ KayWise as a repost of a page deleted at a deletion discussion. The current article is not similar enough to the old one to justify speedy deletion. You may like to take it to WP:AfD again. JBW (talk) 09:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Understood JBW, thank you! Citobun (talk) 11:16, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia For Promotional Purposes

Hi Citobun, I saw you mentioned me under an Administrator's Notice Board sub heading saying I made promotional edits. What is more shocking to me is you mentioned me in the same content you used to discuss sock puppetry. I understand the rules on Wikipedia is to first discuss with a user if you notice any unhealthy use of the platform by the said user before going to Administrator's notice board, I stand to be corrected on this anyway. More importantly, I realized that you mentioned me after I disputed a speedy deletion nomination you made on an article titled Dj Kaywise. Firstly, I created that page a while back because I see the growth of the subject and noticed they didn't have a Wikipedia page. Since I have created it, it has been reviewed and rejected and I have tried to improve on it because I also use articles to improve my knowledge of how Wikipedia works. I need to let you know I had no idea who edited the page recently, how it got reviewed and accepted, I didn't know. I only got a notification that you nominated the page for deletion and I noticed the reason you stated is not good enough to delete the page because the article is not the same as the article that was a subject of deletion conversation earlier. I am the first to state here every time I speak to anyone here that I am not a genius of Wikipedia, I am literally learning on here every day but what I don't appreciate is you consciously or unconsciously accusing me of sock puppetry. If you see an edit I made that seem promotional, it is most definitely an honest mistake because like I said, I am still learning how to edit here. I use only one account since I have been on Wikipedia. Just thought to speak to you about this. Thank you Olakunle Rufai (talk) 08:28, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

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