Talk:Prayagraj

Allahabad name change

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Please change Allahabad to Prayagraj because its name is changed officially. 839930jkddkls (talk) 16:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Please read the contents of this talk page first. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 16:18, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

You can start the discussion on/after 4 April 2023, not before - Arjayay (talk) 16:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely Inappropriate that you haven't changed this name yet to Prayagraj

It is beyond offensive to the Hindu community that you are not changing Allahabad to the official name Prayagraj. Please change the name. 2600:1009:B0E7:E8F6:2D68:8F54:FC22:8751 (talk) 22:18, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh no it is not -- Toddy1 (talk) 23:14, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Beyond what is it to the Hindu community of your representation that the Allahabad High Court—smack in the middle of Prayagraj—has not changed its name? Beyond justice, injustice, legality or illegality? In other words, just as the Allahabad High Court has its own conventions for changing names or for not, so does Wikipedia. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's conventions. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

The Offended Generation, here too? — kashmīrī ^TALK 13:21, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Name change

Although asking for a name change would be beating my head against the wall. However, what perplexes me is how city of Astana's name change to Nur-Sultan was done yet Allahabad to Prayagraj(which actually happened a year ago to Astana's name change) is facing so much opposition. What is the rationale or logic behind this? Rook6 ^{Let's Talk} 10:00, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Maybe the sheer number of sources referencing the old names? The two cities are sort of, uhm, different age. — kashmīrī ^TALK 10:40, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

(1) Lots of people in India can read and write in English. (2) There is also a large Indian diaspora, many of whom can also read and write in English. (3) The British liberated India in the 18th and 19th centuries, so British people also take an interest. None of this is true of Kazakhstan. So what happens in India matters to more people on English-language Wikipedia than what happens in Kazakhstan.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:23, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I still wonder why everyone is fixated on Astana->Nur-Sultan 🧐 — DaxServer (talk) 12:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Dear Rook6, I think the main reason for not moving this article is religious. The references are just the weapon used to avoid the move. As you mentioned, Astana is a good example of why not moving this article is so biased--Lambrusquiño (talk) 19:39, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

The vast majority of Indians do not care and do not even use these new names. I remember once asking which stop to get off for Varanasi. Blank stares. "Va-ra-na-asi". Nope. "Benares?" "Oh, next stop, sir!"! Dāsānudāsa (talk) 09:29, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Looking at the developments in Kazakhstan, it won't be long before editors will spend long hours restoring Astana across Wikipedia. — kashmīrī ^TALK 03:02, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Let's face it.. Like everywhere.. Wikipedia has a political issue.

Article's names are not always named like their usage in that respective Wikipedia language tells them too, which should be applied according to Wikipedia's naming conventions, but some article's are renamed swiftly without the usage of the new name being that high.

Still, the article will be renamed Prayagraj eventually, this is obvious.

English Wikipedia is simply the most backwarded. And yes, it is totally offensive to Hindus not moving the article's name, since the name Allahabad was created under occupation. Somebody, who hasn't lived under occupation would not understand. German Wikipedia has a guideline: to name places like they are named in their native.

Maybe English Wikipedia will one day come to that if they want to improve, it makes things much easier and is simply fair to the people's of the world. --Tecumseh*1301 (talk) 07:42, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, we are the most backwarded people in the entire multiverse. Happy now? Unless you have anything that is remotely useful for the article which is not a name change, please do not post here. We all had enough of your bickering already. Please also see User talk:Tecumseh*1301 § Discretionary sanctions alert 2 — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 11:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

You are arguing the wrong way. A few regions of the Subcontinent were ruled by foreign (mostly Turkish) dynasties sometime in history; most remained ruled by various local rajas. FYI, Queen Elizabeth II is also of German origin (of the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha dynasty), yet it would be insane to claim that this amounts to "German occupation of the UK". So, stop that nonsense please. We're talking here about a 21st century city and how people call it today, not about righting the great wrongs of the 15th century. — kashmīrī ^TALK 14:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Moreover, your point about the German Wikipedia clearly isn't true. The United Kingdom isn't called "Vereinigtes Königreich" in the "englische Sprache", nor indeed any of its other native languages. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 14:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

​ Interwiki links: [[:de:Vereinigtes Königreich]] produces de:Vereinigtes Königreich.
See Help:Interwiki linking-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

European city names in different European languages
English	Italian	French	German
Antwerp	Anversa	Anvers	Antwerpen
Cologne	Colonia	Cologne	Köln
The Hague	L'Aia	La Haye	Den Haag
Geneva	Ginevra	Genève	Genf
Genoa	Genova	Gênes	Genua
Lviv	Leopoli	Lviv	Lwiw
Munich	Monaco di Baviera	Munich	München
Moscow	Mosca	Moscou	Moskau
Naples	Napoli	Naples	Neapel
Prague	Praga	Prague	Prag
Rome	Roma	Rome	Rom
Vienna	Vienna	Vienne	Wien
Warsaw	Varsavia	Varsovie	Warschau

-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:11, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, what's your point? To show similarities or to show differences? If the latter, Aachen is a sufficient example. — kashmīrī ^TALK 20:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Vereinigtes Königreich means United Kingdom, it is only in German and was used for a long time. Maybe even this will change in the future, and we will call it "United Kingdom".. I would have no problem with that.

--Tecumseh*1301 (talk) 20:47, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I would, because it would be ridiculous, considering neither "United" nor "Kingdom" are words in German. Why are some people so adamantly opposed to the concept of exonyms? Dāsānudāsa (talk) 21:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

By the way, I take it you're also pushing this hard for the article de:Indien to be renamed "Bhārat" (or at least "India")? Dāsānudāsa (talk) 21:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

As I said, Bharat would sound just fine to me, if the people show that they want it with a referendum maybe..

Kashmiri writes, that it is not important to right the wrongs, if they are long ago.. I beg to differ...

We now live in a different world (most of us) thank God.. so we now are responsible to clean up some of the mess, that has been done some time ago. And renaming city's under occupation is belonging to this, and people do care as though it was long ago, which only shows, how important this issue is and always will be. Within days sometimes another one writes, when the article is finally going to be renamed „Prayagraj“.. people, who don't usually write on Wikipedia and don't know, what else to do, but nothing helps, the city is still named Allahabad. Tecumseh*1301 (talk) 08:15, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

You are getting WP:TEDIOUS with all your bickering over the lost wars of the Middle Ages. — kashmīrī ^TALK 14:32, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

The foremost requirement to be a wikipedia editor is to be neutral in nature, but looks like it is not at all followed (those who are biased will definitely feel offended with this statement). I am not writing here in support of name change or in support to retain the name, but just want to put forward a general point, Wikipedia is not a place where people come and perform searches (users do search within it but mostly reach here through google search), and wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia where one has to manually search an entry by going through indexes or pages so it becomes important that only the popularly known name should be indexed. For instance, if I search Astana or Nur-Sultan, I will always end up getting the same page. It is practically redundant to use a name which is not current official name of a place. The purpose of any encyclopedia is to provide upto-date information to its readers. It is high time that wikipedia updates its WP:COMMONNAME policy. Ideally, we should create pages with all those names which people know across the world but should be re-directed to a page which is its current official name. We have to come out of herd mentality that, what majority says is always right. If majority of English speaking population doesn't know that Astana is now known as Nur-Sultan then they need to be made aware of it through projects like Wikipedia. Let them search Astana and reach to the page Nur-Sultan, the opening line of the article should mention that Nur-Sultan was formerly known as Astana. Keeping the old name as article name is more of a conservative approach. Even constitutions of nations are amended with evolution of society, then why should wikipedia stick to a policy which is no more relevant in the era of advanced internet technologies?. Please don't ask me to initiate that? I am not aware of the process to amend any policies, or if even I am eligible to initiate that discussion. Rohit klar (talk) 17:23, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I completely disagree. Maybe you should follow the news more closely: Officials, including President Tokayev, have likewise ceased referring to the capital city as Nur-Sultan, preferring instead to call it just “the capital city.”^{eurasianet 20 Jan 2022} -- Toddy1 (talk) 21:03, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Had we gone strictly by official names, we'd not only have Baile Átha Cliath instead of Dublin or Droichead Nua instead of Newport but bump into problems when a place has a number of official names in different official languages (e.g., Genève/Genf/Ginevra, all of them official names for Geneva). So, we have WP:COMMONNAME and we intend to stick to it also for Indian cities as far as I can judge the consensus. — kashmīrī ^TALK 17:30, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

• Looking right above this, there's an agreement that we should wait 18 months and then readdress this issue to give time for sources to shift. This really should be closed per that consensus. Ravensfire (talk) 21:40, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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Biodiversity section

The article has a paragraph:

The most common birds found in the city are doves, peacocks, junglefowl, black partridge, house sparrows, songbirds, blue jays, parakeets, quails, bulbuls, and comb ducks. Large numbers of Deer are found in the Trans Yamuna area of Allahabad. India's first conservation reserve for blackbuck is being created in Allahabad's Meja Forest Division. Other animals in the state include reptiles such as lizards, cobras, kraits, and gharials. During winter, large numbers of Siberian birds are reported in the sangam and nearby wetlands.

References

• I do not see how page 61 of source [1] supports the statement it is cited for. I did searches for Allahabad and Prayagraj in the book, but found nothing.
• The second sentence appears to refer to Allahabad district. The third sentence refers to Uttar Pradesh.
• The third sentence is supported by source that refers to "Sangam and nearby wetlands." So I suppose it does refer to part of Allahabad as well as Allahabad district.

-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2022

"change ALLAHABAD to PRAYAGRAJ" 2409:4040:D97:4D93:1857:F54C:8DE:6DBA (talk) 14:26, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. AwfulReader (talk) 14:36, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Please also read the big blue box above which explains that we will not even start another discussion on a name change until 4 April 2023 - please come back then - Arjayay (talk) 14:47, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2022

Add a fews lines under the heading Entertainment and recreation-The Magh Mela is an annual gathering of Hindu pilgrims in Prayag, on the banks of Triveni Sangam (the confluence of Ganga, Yamuna and Saraswati). This Mela is held every year during the Hindu month of Magh (corresponding from mid January – mid February) and the important bathing dates are spread over a period of 45 days. Abhigya Pandey (talk) 07:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

https://prayagraj.nic.in/culture-heritage/ Under the heading: Traditional Fairs & Festival(Annual Magh Mela) Abhigya Pandey (talk) 09:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish Is my source is not correct? Abhigya Pandey (talk) 17:01, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

This request is made under a project named Edit Request Wizard https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T300454 Abhigya Pandey (talk) 06:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I have reset the request to try to get editors to respond. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done, confirmed and referenced. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • C • L)} 15:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank You! Abhigya Pandey (talk) 14:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Add a few lines under the heading Entertainment and recreation

The Magh Mela is an annual gathering of Hindu pilgrims in Prayag, on the banks of Triveni Sangam (the confluence of Ganga, Yamuna and Saraswati). This Mela is held every year during the Hindu month of Magh (corresponding from mid January – mid February) and the important bathing dates are spread over a period of 45 days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhigya Pandey (talk • contribs) 08:53, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2022

Sir since the old name of the given city was allahabad which was changed to Prayagraj by our respected government so in order to promote the new name it would be helpful if you remove the name of the city as Allahabad and change it to Prayagraj.You can mention the old name (Allahabad) in the article just for the extra knowledge but since you are entitling the whole page as Allahabad also using the name Allahabad at all places name of the city is required it might be misleading also isn't the right the right identity of the city. Therefore i request you to take my concern serious and change the required names at all places from Allahabad to Prayagraj so as to promote right information to people all around the globe which is the primary use of Wikipedia THE AYT (talk) 17:22, 23 April 2022 (UTC)