Talk:George Floyd

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2021

Change: "George Perry Floyd Jr. (October 14, 1973 – May 25, 2020) was an African-American man who was murdered by a police officer in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during an arrest after a store clerk suspected Floyd may have used a counterfeit $20 bill, on May 25, 2020.[3] Derek Chauvin, one of four police officers who arrived on the scene, knelt on Floyd's neck and back for 9 minutes and 29 seconds.[4] After his murder, protests against police brutality, especially towards black people, quickly spread across the United States and globally. His dying words, "I can't breathe," became a rallying cry.

Change to: "George Perry Floyd Jr. (October 14, 1973 – May 25, 2020) was an African-American man who was murdered by a police officer in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during an arrest after a store clerk suspected Floyd may have used a counterfeit $20 bill, on May 25, 2020.[3] Derek Chauvin, one of four police officers who arrived on the scene, knelt on Floyd's neck and back for 9 minutes and 29 seconds while onlookers recorded his dying works, "I can't breathe".[4] After his murder, protests against police brutality, especially towards black people, quickly spread across the United States and globally. His dying words, "I can't breathe," became a rallying cry. " Abracadmbra (talk) 19:15, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Whilst the request has been closed, I would like to re-open it if we can achieve consensus. The proposed wording is better than the current wording. I also feel that demanding a consensus before being allowed to request an edit is setting the bar too high. We normally make good faith edits without waiting for permission.OrewaTel (talk) 06:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I assume that the edit request contains a typographical error where it says "his dying works" and the intent is to add "his dying words". If I am correct, then I oppose this proposed change, since that three word phrase "his dying words" already appears in the lead section. Once is OK but twice comes off as hackneyed and clichéd. Cullen328 (talk) 06:58, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree that we shouldn't use it twice, but I do like the other part of the edit. How about

Derek Chauvin, one of four police officers who arrived on the scene, knelt on Floyd's neck and back for 9 minutes and 29 seconds while onlookers recorded his dying words, "I can't breathe". After his murder, protests against police brutality, especially towards black people, quickly spread across the United States and globally. His dying words became a rallying cry.

valereee (talk) 15:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

That looks good to me. Generalrelative (talk) 16:34, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

The phrase "his dying words" is still repeated.—Bagumba (talk) 17:12, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

His last words? valereee (talk) 17:43, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I think mentioning his "words" more than once in the lead is excessive.—Bagumba (talk) 00:27, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Derek Chauvin, one of four police officers who arrived on the scene, knelt on Floyd's neck and back for 9 minutes and 29 seconds while onlookers recorded the scene. After his murder, protests against police brutality, especially towards black people, quickly spread across the United States and globally. His dying words, "I can't breathe", became a rallying cry. valereee (talk) 01:03, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

So is the addition of while onlookers recorded the scene the only change? I am OK with that.—Bagumba (talk) 04:13, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Agreed! OrewaTel (talk) 04:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that's what it boils down to, yes. valereee (talk) 17:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Appearance in an adult movie

I'm wondering why Floyd's appearance in an adult movie isn't included in the article? Is it a policy issue or is it due to a lack of good secondary sources? By searching for the relevant terms, including his partner in the movie called Kimberly Brinks and his apparent stage name, Big Floyd, I was able to find nothing but scraps. The most compelling of which being this article on a Brazilian website: https://www.polemicaparaiba.com.br/polemicas/18-george-floyd-trabalhou-como-ator-no-porno-segundo-informacoes-de-site-adulto/ The video itself is much easier to find, would that be considered sufficient as a source? --Bahati (talk) 00:31, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

No it certainly would not, per e.g. WP:PSTS. If you're curious you can search the talk page archive for the previous instances in which this was discussed. Suffice it to say that the consensus is against inclusion. Generalrelative (talk) 01:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

While it is true, there are still no reliable sources to support the fact. See also Talk:George Floyd/Archive 1#George Floyd a film actor. WWGB (talk) 02:14, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion in music related categories

Does this article really belong in categories for musicians? Yes, he dabbled in hip hop briefly in his life, but he is not notable for that. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 22:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit Hatnote ? -- It seems unnecessarily ambiguous

Would it maybe better if the introductory 'about' hatnote would either be changed to:

• ".. a man .." / or
• ".. a U.S. American man .." / or
• ".. an African-American man .." ----- instead of just
  

".. the man .." ?

• Or alternatively: ".. the George Floyd who was.."

---

Reasoning: George Floyd was far from the only person who was ever murdered during a police arrest on this planet...

Mentioning neither his name, nor any other disambiguating specifics, seems peculiarly unbefitting of the WP encyclopedia to me !? --84.106.97.242 (talk) 21:47, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Is there another George Floyd that was murdered by police? —Bagumba (talk) 00:48, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

The hat note is solely there to define the article. By the time you read it, you know that you are reading about George Floyd so all that is needed is to distinguish this George Floyd from the other three people. OrewaTel (talk) 21:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

OK - so by that logic, would you have no objection to replacing "the man" with "a man" - considering: 1). that's more concise; and 2). he's not the only one shot while arrested ? --84.106.97.242 (talk) 20:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

A reader arrives here looking for a George Floyd, and this is "the" one who was murdered.—Bagumba (talk) 01:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Porn actor

It has already been debated here whether to add it or not, since there were few reliable sources back then. I understand this, but, since the publication of “His Name Is George Floyd”, we can all agree that there is indeed a reliable reference now. (And, since it is included in Floyd’s biography, there are truly better reasons to believe it should be included in Wikipedia as well.) I quote the passage where it can be read in the book:

‘Man, I feel bad,’ Floyd finally let out.
‘You feel bad about what?’
Floyd pulled his phone out and handed it to Cains.
‘Man, I done this porn,’ he said.
Floyd was feeling a sense of regret over a decision he had made to chase some quick money, and perhaps some measure of fame, by agreeing to appear in an amateur pornographic video. He had been approached by adult filmmakers while working out at the gym one day and had decided to take them up on their offer.”

Robert Samuels and Toluse Olorunnipa, His Name Is George Floyd: One Man’s Life and the Struggle for Racial Justice

ContaAtiva2906 (talk) 19:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

It wasn't in doubt that it happened, there were RS provided in previous discussions, regardless the WP:CONSENSUS was to exclude it. There is ALOT included in his biography as it is a full book, but every detail does not need to be included here. WikiVirusC^(talk) 19:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, this is a biography article. Why exactly an atypical detail about one’s life should not be added here? (I already got what you meant by the consensus.) And it was in fact in doubt that it happened. Better sources were to be provided. I quote:

Administrator note unless it receives widespread mention by reliable sources, I am deeming this addition to be a BLP violation. In fact, I had already revdeleted it from the article earlier today on those grounds. I won’t remove this article talk page section for the simple reason that I predict the matter will be brought up again anyway (so in that sense, to avoid a timesink). But unless the aforementioned conditions are met, further unsourced or poorly-sourced mention of this are prohibited and will be summarily removed henceforth.

Having seen the entire video, in which he introduces himself as Big Floyd from Third Ward, Houston, Texas, I understand your frustration. However, Wikipedia requires that content be supported by reliable independent sources, which we do not have. In the current climate, I doubt that any newspaper or magazine would publish such a counter-positive story. It may appear at a later time but, for now, we do not have the secondary sources to support inclusion.

Since there is now a new source, and a reliable one, and since “the current climate” is over, or at least minimized, I think we should consider again whether to add this information, at least in the article’s infobox. I insist that someone being a porn actor is indeed notable and worthy of being added on Wikipedia, and the mere fact that this information cannot be added with the source that exist now is a sign of prejudice against this profession. ContaAtiva2906 (talk) 20:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

The "current climate" has never had anything to do with it. If it is a necessary detail to understand why the person is notable, then include it. If it is just trivial information, then it doesn't warrant inclusion. Not every fact about person needs to be in an encyclopedia--only the relevant details. Minnemeeples (talk) 22:54, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Folks, being in one video having sex is not the same thing as making a living as a porn actor. The event is a minuscule moment in his life and including it would be WP:UNDUE. MarnetteD|Talk 23:05, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Murder? + Detail

Wow, it's better then when I came back her a while ago, but to start, I don't think there was a lot of evidence that he was murdered. He was certainly a victim of police brutality but not murder. According to the video footage minutes before his death he seemed to be rather high on drugs as he exhibited confusion, Delirium, and over the top defensiveness.

In the clip, one of the officers (I believe Chauvin) told Floyd to put his hands on his head. Floyd put his hands on his head in a defensive manner before letting go and seemingly speaking at an enhanced rate like he was on drugs which could slow the breathing in the Human Body. When Chauvin grabbed Floyd the 3 traits he had shown started to go at a more enhanced rate due to the drugs.

When Chauvin put his knee on Floyd's neck, Floyd said the memorable sentence "I can't breathe" which probably means the drugs were starting to kick in. Chauvin wasn't helping and probably sped up the time Floyd was going go die and he should've called an ambulance, but is it really necessary to say he was murdered by the cops physically? I don't know but I would like some elaboration to support that claim.

Thank you. Signed, (talk) 19:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Considering his killer was convicted of murder, it is safe and accurate to say he was in fact murdered. The rest of your comment is speculative nonsense that's been repeatedly addressed here. Feel free to go through this talk page and it's archives. There are plenty of sources to support the statements that he was in fact murdered, I suggest you take a moment to read them before soapboxing here. PICKLEDICAE🥒 19:28, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

The closest complains he has gotten were misconduct complains and it is in no way similar to murder. And that first sentence is counter productive to my argument because he was only convicted after the Death of Floyd. It's like saying the army shouldn't have accepted Hitler's enlistment in World War I because he would be responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews. So saying that he was a convicted murder isn't answering my question.

Thank You. Signed, (talk) 21:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)