Talk:Atlantis

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2023

Current research on Atlantis

Although the story of Atlantis has been passed down through generations, modern scholars have been unable to find any concrete evidence to support its existence. However, some researchers believe that the legend of Atlantis may have been inspired by real-life events.

For example, some scientists have suggested that the island of Crete, which was destroyed by a massive volcanic eruption around 1600 BC, may have been the inspiration for the story of Atlantis. The eruption was so powerful that it caused tsunamis that devastated the surrounding area, which may have been the basis for the catastrophic destruction of Atlantis described by Plato.

Other researchers have suggested that the story of Atlantis may have been inspired by the Minoan civilization, which was also located on the island of Crete. The Minoans were a highly advanced civilization that existed around the same time as the supposed existence of Atlantis, and they were known for their impressive architecture and sophisticated culture.

193.225.109.131 (talk) 13:37, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

References

We already cover this. Slatersteven (talk) 13:40, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Where in the article would you suggest this section be added? As another editor mentioned, this content is covered by the article in a more comprehensive fashion and more appropriate encyclopedic language. Additionally, the source you provided does not seem to exist. The link does not work, and I could not find the article by its name either. Actualcpscm (talk) 13:48, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

ChatGPT creation, maybe? - Donald Albury 18:25, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking when I initially saw this edit request. Deor (talk) 18:29, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Donald Albury @Deor GPTZero says it's likely completely AI-generated, and I absolutely get those vibes too. Someone should code a tool that highlights text likely to be generated by AI, or maybe include that with Ultraviolet or Twinkle :) Actualcpscm (talk) 19:41, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I must try it.[1]. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 20:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

no its not AI created but I see it deans matter to you:)) 2A00:1110:110:6CC2:62:B2EB:1A35:508D (talk) 11:44, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

AI-generated content is not per se prohibited, largely because it's hard to conclusively identify. Content is judged against the relevant guidelines and policies, and the suggestion was declined for such reasons. However, it is fun to speculate :) Actualcpscm (talk) 12:02, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Deans matter? That’s not English. Doug Weller talk 12:29, 21 April 2023 hutch

Games featuring Atlantis

• The VR game "Walkabout Mini Golf" by Mighty Coconut features "Atlantis" (2023) as a course in its lost cities series.

  SO? we can't list every game here. Slatersteven (talk) 13:09, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

The article Atlantis in popular culture has a "games" section, though I don't know whether a mention of this particular game would be appropriate there. (Video games are not my thing.) Deor (talk) 13:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

MOS:POPCULT covers how and what to add.

"Cultural references about a subject should not be included simply because they exist. A Wikipedia article may include a subject's cultural impact by summarizing its coverage in reliable secondary or tertiary sources. A source should cover the subject's cultural impact in some depth; it should not be a source that merely mentions the subject's appearance in a movie, song, television show, or other cultural item."

and further down after examples

"This sourcing requirement is a minimum threshold for inclusion of cultural references. Consensus at the article level can determine whether particular references which meet this criteria should be included." Doug Weller talk 13:28, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

There Is a mistake!

Aristotle didn't believe that Plato created Atlantic I hope look at this I was want to add link but it's not allowed حمزة للنواصره (talk) 21:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

It’s not fictional.

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Atlantis actually existed. 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 17:22, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I think you will need to find some top-line RS to back up this claim. Slatersteven (talk) 17:25, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I’m a historian. 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk)

2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 17:31, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Then you're used to needing to cite sources. Let's see them. MrOllie (talk) 17:32, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

This is real evidence.

https://greekreporter.com/2022/12/10/atlantis-plato-history-real/

2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 17:35, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

This is not a peer-reviewed academic journal. Slatersteven (talk) 17:41, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

That's an advert for a book from a vanity publisher, written by the book's author and posted on an unreliable website. At minimum we'd need something peer-reviewed, as Slatersteven says. As a historian you should be familiar with academic publishing and what sorts of journals publish peer-reviewed articles. MrOllie (talk) 17:45, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I don’t have to. 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 20:20, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Please read wp:v and wp:or. Slatersteven (talk) 17:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/amp/ncna1055856 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 17:48, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

This is not platos Atlantis (it is using "Atlantis" to mean sunken land), and is not Santorini either. Slatersteven (talk) 17:51, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Atlantis is real, please believe me. I’ve written a book on it. 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 17:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

It's not that we don't believe you, it's that we don't believe anyone. Wikipedia follows the best available sources per WP:V and WP:NOR. When you can support with peer-reviewed journals, feel free to come back. Until then there's nothing we can do here. MrOllie (talk) 18:04, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

We also already mentioned Santorini, it is one of many "real atlantasses". Yours is just the latest version of an idea that is 60 years old. Slatersteven (talk) 18:06, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

You’re wrong. 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

ok MrOllie (talk) 19:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Just “ok?” 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 20:17, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes. You know what you have to provide to change the article. There is nothing more to discuss. MrOllie (talk) 20:18, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

What do I need to provide? 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 20:21, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I’ll just change it from fiction to non-fiction when I get semi-protection editing rights. 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 20:23, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

No, you won't be allowed to change the article without proper sourcing. This has been explained above, more than once. Feel free to re-read the discussion, I'm not going to keep repeating myself. MrOllie (talk) 20:25, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

You’re an idiot then. 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 20:27, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Why can’t it be changed? Can you explain it to me again? 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 20:31, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

No, the explanations stop when the personal attacks start. Have a good day. MrOllie (talk) 20:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I’m sorry for my actions. May I please have a second chance? 2600:1005:B164:AC1A:9145:2171:1E7B:B3CF (talk) 20:46, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

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Kodiak Island

Can we add a mention under location hypothesis of Kodiak Island as discussed in the following book:

https://archive.org/details/atlantis-and-its-fate-in-the-postdiluvian-world

Reasons:

1) Similarities between the Kircher Map of Atlantis and Kodiak Island during the Younger Dryas, and that Kodiak at that time fits many of Plato's dimensions.

2) Similarities between the "Aeletean" kings of Ancient Egypt, thought to have come from a faraway land, and the modern word "Aleutian". Other historians also imply there was a colony from India and the Far East south of Egypt in antiquity near "Punt" where the Ancient Egyptians believed their gods, the same ones aligned with the Aeletean kings, came from.

3) Sonar imaging of an underwater site southeast of Chirikof Island might imply a sunken human face monument and ruins that would put the pyramids at Giza to shame.

4) Genetic evidence of the X2 haplogroup in the Bayahira Oasis region of Egypt suggests a link to Native North Americans, suggesting Beringia as a possible origin point for Atlantis. The Berbers of North Africa also share a relative with the Sami circa 7,000 BCE, who would have been in Northern Siberia at the time. 47.32.37.155 (talk) 14:37, 10 October 2023 (UTC)