Talk:List of PlayStation 3 games (A–C)

untitled games page

as some1 didnt like the seperate page, i thought, like with the system software pg, we cud use the talk for this content, so here it is.80.7.73.24 (talk) 01:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Working title Games

Title	Developer	Publisher
2010 Project →	Brash Entertainment
ActiveDogs →	MTO	MTO
Airtight Project →	Airtight Games
Akari P.J. →	Takuyo	Takuyo
Alien RPG Project →	Obsidian Entertainment	Sega
Angel Rings →	Sony Computer Entertainment	Sony Computer Entertainment
AQ Interactive PS3 Project →	AQ Interactive
Big Huge Games RPG →	Big Huge Games	THQ
Bipedal Movement Simulation →	Artdink	Artdink
Bizarre Creations Racing Project →	Bizarre Creations	Activision Blizzard
Capcom PS3 Action Project →	Capcom	Capcom
Cavia PS3 Action-RPG →	cavia, inc.
Codename: Panzers Next-Gen →	StormRegion
Cryptic Studios MMO Project →	Cryptic Studios
Crytek Project →	Crytek
CyberFront PS3 Puzzle Project →	CyberFront Corporation
CyberFront PS3 Simulation #1 →	CyberFront Corporation
CyberFront PS3 Simulation #2 →	CyberFront Corporation
Datam PS3 Adventure →	Datam Polystar
Derby Stallion →	Enterbrain
Destineer Spy Project →	Destineer
Epic Next-Gen Project #1 →	Epic Games
Epic Next-Gen Project #2 →	Epic Games
Ertain PS3 Action Project →	Ertain
ESP PS3 Action Project →	Entertainment Software Publishing
Factor 5 Project #2 →	Factor 5
Fantasy Lab Project →	Fantasy Lab
Game Arts Project →	Game Arts
Genki PS3 Samurai Action Project →	Genki
Global A PS3 Comical Action Project →	Global A Entertainment
Global A PS3 Comical Simulation Project →	Global A Entertainment
Goodnavigate Mystery Adventure →	Goodnavigate
Gretzky NHL →	Page 44 Studios	Sony Computer Entertainment
Gust PS3 RPG Project →	Gust
Hackberry Pachinko Simulator →	Hackberry
Hamster PS3 Management Simulation →	Hamster Corporation
Hudson Soft PS3 RPG Project →	Hudson Soft
Illusion Softworks Project →	Illusion Softworks
InExile Project →	InExile
Interchannel PS3 Adventure →	Interchannel
Irem PS3 Action-Adventure →	Irem
Iron Lore Project →	Iron Lore
James Bond 007 →	Treyarch	Activision
Konami PS3 Action Project →	Konami	Konami
Konami PS3 RPG →	Konami	Konami
Little House in the Plateau →	Success
LMNO Project →	EA Los Angeles	Electronic Arts
LucasArts/Free Radical Project →	Free Radical Design	LucasArts
Luxoflux Next-Gen Project →	Luxoflux	Activision
Marionette PS3 War Simulation →	Marionette
Marvelous PS3 Action Project →	Marvelous Interactive
Master P.J. →	Takuyo Kougyo
Media-mix Game Project Featuring Anime →	Namco Bandai
MediaWorks PS3 New Type Adventure →	MediaWorks
Namco PS3 RPG →	Namco Bandai
Namco PS3 Sports Project →	Namco Bandai
Naxat Plan →	Digital Gain
Nikitova Project →	Nikitova
Now Production New Style Action Project →	Now Production
Project Delta →	Playlogic International	Playlogic International
Project New Jersey →	Obsidian Entertainment
Project Strike Team →	Codemasters	prototype
Pterodon FPS Project →	Pterodon Software
Relic Strategy Project →	Relic	THQ
Returning Alive →	Astroll
Rockstar PS3 Exclusive Project →	Rockstar Games
Sarugechu PS3 Project →	SCE Japan Studio	Sony Computer Entertainment
The Scourge Project →	Tragnarion Studios
Shaun White Snowboarding →	Ubisoft
Silicon Knights Next-Gen Project →	Silicon Knights	Sega
Starbreeze Next-Gen Project →	Starbreeze Studios	Vivendi
Success PS3 RPG →	Success
Sunsoft PS3 Simulation →	Sunsoft
Surreal Software Project →	Midway Games
Team ICO PS3 Project →	Team ICO	Sony Computer Entertainment
thatgamecompany PS3 Project #3 →	thatgamecompany
Vigil Games Project →	THQ
World Tour Soccer PS3 →	SCE London Studio	Sony Computer Entertainment
Xtreme →	Taito
Yamasa DigiWorld DX →	Yamasa Entertainment
Zipper Interactive PS3 Project →	Zipper Interactive

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New articles

new ones have been done but this list is such a pain in the ass (i mean the detailed ref link is a nightmare), where can i list newly created PS3 articles to be added by *someone* on the list please? thanks. Synchronicity I (talk) 13:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC) i suggest to complete the list using the japanese PlayStation.com Software Catalog (there tick "PlayStation 3" and "Disc" to get a proper full list). latest articles under chronological order gives:

• Miyasato Miyoshi Kyoudai Naizou: Sega Golf Club
• Mist of Chaos
• Winning Post 7 Maximum 2007
• Professional Baseball Spirits 4
• 山佐DigiワールドSPパチスロ戦国無双 (not created yet)
• G1 Jockey 4 2007
• Winning Post 7 Maximum 2008
• Professional Baseball Spirits 5

with the preceding titles, the list of japanese blu-ray releases would be complete as of june 25, 2008.

i think we should use a chronoligical sort with month and year of the original version's release like it was done with the PS1 game list [here]. Synchronicity I (talk) 13:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

• 山佐DigiワールドSPパチスロ戦国無双 (not created yet) aka Yamasa PachiSlot added to the list Synchronicity I (talk) 08:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

what about Game Archives

is there an existing list with all "Game Archives" which is the name for the PS1 games available on the PS Store (like MGS1, Policenauts, RE2 etc.). Synchronicity I (talk) 13:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

chart

why is europe before usa? japan first ok since the ps3 was released there first but second is usa why is it in third position instead of second? Synchronicity I (talk) 14:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

who cares? this isn't a place where you can field a bias for a particular region. it doesnt need changing. chocobogamer LOOK AT WHAT I DID 10:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Unecessary sections

Why do people keep adding unecessary sections like resolution, xmb support etc? It makes the page look overcrowded, and techincal information such as this shouldnt be included on a page that is intended to display general information. Keep it in line with the 360 and Wii game lists please. Jericho1337 (talk) 20:18, 2nd July 2008 (UTC)

publisher column

Is there any reason to have it there? I don't really see the point to it, especially as certain developers use different publishers in different territories (Square used to publish EA games in Japan and vice versa for America), or even different publishers for re-releases of the same game (FF9 in the UK was orginally published by Squaresoft themselves, the platinum version was published by Infogrames). Surely if people want to know something as "small" as that, they'd actually visit the games page. I feel that the space 'wasted' by therefore possibly erroneous information could be put to better use... we could use it for an 'first released' column, meaning the chronological page can finally disappear and you can sort from the same list.
Example:

Title and Source	Developer	E	First released				T
Armored Core 4	From Software	N	21 December 2006	21 December 2006	22 June 2007	20 March 2007	N

Opinions? chocobogamer LOOK AT WHAT I DID 12:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Thingg^⊕⊗ 13:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

cool... now, anyone with a lot of time on their hands wanna do it? at least itl end 2 discussions and probably even make this page (albeit only slightly) smaller.. chocobogamer LOOK AT WHAT I DID 14:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the publisher column in not necessary. The space could be put to much better use. I'm also not sure on even having the developer column for the same reason chocobogamer for the publisher; the reader can drill down into the game's article if they want the information and can then access the developer's article for a list of games from that developer (which most of them seem to have). I'm also not a big fan of the abbreviated 'T' and 'E' column headers. I know it doesn't seem like a big deal but it requires the user to read the introduction which could be irritating if they are just looking for something for quick reference. Removing the Dev column would allow these to be expanded. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 14:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Example:

Title and Source	First released				Exclusive	Trophy Support
Armored Core 4	21 December 2006	21 December 2006	22 June 2007	20 March 2007	N	N

Well that I'm not so sure about, seems like too little information, the developer will be the same with each version of release of the game. And I did adjust (widen) the game title column so it could easily be made smaller to fit the full words Exclusive and Trophy. But obviously everyones opinion counts, so whats everyone think of takin dev from the table? chocobogamer LOOK AT WHAT I DID 14:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the right way to be looking at it, but my thinking is about what people are likely to use this article for. What I'm thinking is that people who come here would just be looking for a list of PS3 games. If they were after a list of games from a certiain developer, they would look for that developer's article. Again, I'm not sure if that's the way I should be looking at it but that's the rationale behind my suggestion. :) ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 14:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

The thing i'm worried about is, if it is just a list with dates and trophy/exclusivity, it could become classified as part of what wikipedia is not, if we're including devs and chronology, its not just a list, its a valuable source of information chocobogamer LOOK AT WHAT I DID 14:46, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Good point. And as you said, the full column names can fit anyway. Now, at the risk of sounding like a looser with nothing better to do with a Sunday afternoon, I don't mind making the changes, but does anyone happen to know of any software that makes editing Wikitables not such a pain in the arse!? :) ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 14:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Not personally, sorry. thats half the reason my examples have only been one line long lol. chocobogamer LOOK AT WHAT I DID 14:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Right, I've made that edit. I think the Exclusive column should be moved to the left of the Trophy Support column. I can't do that now so if anyone fancies doing it, feel free. I came across this tool which looks as if it should be able to do it easily but I couldn't get it to work. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 17:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

definitely better not having the pub list, however, still need a chronological column, and I think still use the YandN, but maybe a simple extra like C for console exclusive and P for trophy patch, seems like a waste of space otherwise. thanks for that though :) chocobogamer LOOK AT WHAT I DID 17:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I really think it should stay as it is. The Y and N are too restrictive and don't really allow for other information to be included in the column. 'C' and 'P' would have to be explained elsewhere on the page which I don't think is very good. There is enough space for the current formatting now that the dev column is gone. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 17:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Just so you guys know, I'm adding the other info now. Thingg^⊕⊗ 01:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done "Exclusive" column moved to the left of "Trophy support" column and "First released" column added. There are a few factual errors that will need to be fixed still, but right now, I really have to get to bed. Thingg^⊕⊗ 03:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, commented on your talk page before I saw this. I think the similar work needs to be done to List of PlayStation Network games. Would be a lot easier if I could find some software that works! ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 07:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'm going to start on List of PlayStation Network games. I'm just letting you know so we don't have two people doing hte same thing. Thingg^⊕⊗ 15:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done with that. I ended up removing the info in that article relating to PSOne classics because it is a copy of the info in List of PSOne Classics. If someone else wants to do that article, feel free. Right now, I need to do something else... Thingg^⊕⊗ 16:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm getting started on PSOne Classics now ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 19:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done and I never want to look at a Wikitable again! Now I think that's everything? Good job everyone. Thanks! ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 20:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks guys looks great. Wish I'd had the time to help. Still at least its stopped ongoing discussions.. chocobogamer LOOK AT WHAT I DID 20:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

final fantasy versus xiii

is still apparently exclusive to ps3. no mention as yet has been made of a 360 version and according to a final fantasy fansite http://finalfantasyversusxiii.net/ (its a fansite but not console oriented) in an interview with Kitase there are no plans. I'm assuming this interview was after ff13 was announced for xbox360 chocobogamer LOOK AT WHAT I DID 21:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep, sorry i reverted it. My mistake. I'm adding a ref for FF 13 not being exclusive as some people may think it's a mistake. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 22:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

coloumn list for co-op play on ps3

read headline..

i think it would be a good idea and is allways ending up with, looking for co-op games for playstation 3 or any other game machine. and it is very hard to find a webpage that do this if there are any on the web. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugblue (talk • contribs) 18:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Removal of 1080p information

Just thought I ought to say why I removed the column which was added by 202.40.139.168. Firstly, none of the information was sourced. Also, there is not really room for any more columns on this table. On smaller monitors is distorts the table and makes it hard to read. I also, in my humble opinion, don't really think the information is needed here. Obviously, if anyone disagrees, discuss! ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 07:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

How about adding GENDER (like FPS, RTS RPG ...) column to the table? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.118.128.253 (talk) 09:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I assume you mean genre? Like I said, i don't really think there's room for any more columns. Especially for something like genre because it could be quite wide with all the diferent genres a game could come under. Also, the information is easily available from the infobox on a game's article ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 22:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

True, but if I'm interested in researching FPSs only, should I have to go to each game's article and infobox? Everyone has their own view, of course. Mine is that I think genre information is more useful than exclusivity. Leave it with you.Heds (talk) 22:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Even if Genre was added, it wouldn't allow the user to easily filter/sort by each one. As games come under multiple genres, each game's genre column could contain something like FPS, Action while another could be RPG, FPS. There'd be no way of just seeing the FPSes. (Unless there's a way of coding it that I don't know about?) I see where you're coming from though. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 22:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe someone should create a wikipage on the various genres of video games, this could then include a list of all the games separated by genre. Dark verdant (talk) 14:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

You can already do this. For example: Category:Racing video games, Category:Off-road racing video games. But I'm not sure how well these are maintained or how specific the categories get. To add a game to a category, you just add a link to that category at the bottom of the game page eg. [[Category:Racing video games]]. As is done on MotorStorm: Pacific Rift for example. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 14:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XIII and Versus XIII Not Going to PC

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6195345.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0

Quote from article:

"Nomura and Toriyama also debunked rumors that a PC version of FFXIII is in development. They explained the confusion arose from a misunderstanding when producer Yoshinori Kitase mentioned at E3 that Square Enix is working on a PC project. 'We've always been developing on PCs,' laughed Nomura. 'In fact, I've been doing so since Final Fantasy VI.' "

That quote is directly from the DK Sigma3173 Event that was on August 2nd. Both XII and Versus XIII are NOT coming to PC (as of yet anyway), and therefore Versus XIII is full exclusive, not just console exclusive, so I'm changing that back. 68.161.115.8 (talk) 04:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't mention Versus XIII. The only source regarding V13 says it is going onto PC chocobogamer LOOK AT WHAT I DID 10:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Well so much for that eh?... 71.249.144.35 (talk) 02:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty Not a Retail Title

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6195261.html?tag=result;title;0

It's a $15 downloadable title coming out on August 21st. It belongs under the PSN list, not the retail list. 68.161.115.8 (talk) 04:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It is also being released on Blu-Ray in Europe. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 11:17, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It's coming to Blu-Ray in Europe as a $15 disc? Or will it come with the original Ratchet or something? Regardless I wish that would come stateside, since I hate buying things as downloads since they have no value to after that. 71.249.144.35 (talk) 02:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I changed the release date to the blu-ray edition, the PSN-verson can been seen on List of PlayStation Network games. --Arthur 2045 (talk) 14:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Could someone direct me to where this page says its only retail titles? I cannot seem to find this information. TheUsedVersion (talk) 22:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Trophies: N/A for unreleased games?

I notice that SpindashStudios has changed the trophy status to N/A for unreleased games which haven't been confirmed to have trophies. For trophies, don't think there's a difference between released and unreleased games. If trophies haven't been confirmed we can assume that the game doesn't feature trophies. I think it was more accurate as it was. Not Applicable (because the game hasn't been released yet) isn't true because some unreleased games show "yes". If the rule was that a game should show "N/A" until it has been confirmed either way, then most of the already released games should show "N/A" aswell. Thoughts? ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 07:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Spindash, in your recent edit, you added "Please note: majority of the unreleased games listed have not yet been confirmed to have trophies and are therefore left blank." The majority of released games have not been confirmed either way either but they are assumed not to have trophies until it is confirmed otherwise. Currently, as most games being released do not have trophies it is fair to keep this assumption. Please disuss here. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 20:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to make it clear for people that future titles haven't been recognized whe:ther or not Trophies would be included and that it doesn't flat out mean "no" just yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpindashStudios (talk • contribs) 22:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to leave them blank until the game is confirmed from media/consumers that Trophies have or have not been included? Saying that it doesn't for titles yet to be released is misleading.—Preceding unsigned comment added by SpindashStudios (talk • contribs) 22:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for finally engaging in this discussion. You appear to be fairly new, so you may not know that in situations like this, if there is a disagreement on a certain edit, it should be discussed on the article's talk page.

I have edited the column heading in an attempt to clarify what the column shows. The fact is, if an announcement has not been made as to whether a game has trophies, or if trophies have not been implemented, the game does not have trophies. Like I said, under the same logic as your edits, you would have to remove "no" from all the already release games as, like the unreleased ones, no announcement has been made either way. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 22:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Titling the column "Trophies (Confirmed)" is much better and clearer. That'll do it for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpindashStudios (talk • contribs) 22:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree. That's a good way to present the info. Thingg^⊕⊗ 00:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Removal of "exclusive" column

I reverted an edit which removed the "Exclusive" column from the table. I don't see how this information could be perceived as "trivia". I could understand if it was "Number of celebrities who own this game" or something ridicules like that but exclusivity is a big deal and has a major influence on the game and the console that it's released on. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 15:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

It's unnecessary clutter that just makes the huge game lists even larger. Large articles = a problem. The exclusive column has been removed from nearly all video game lists with little to no problems. PlayStation 3 should be no different. If you want to know the exclusives: search the category or go to a video game site. See: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Should_video_game_lists_by_platform_include_the_exclusive_column.3F for a discussion I made on this matter. RobJ1981 (talk) 15:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

All Games or Retail Games?

Is this list for all PS3 games or retail games only? The title of the page suggests that this is all Playstation 3 games and not just ones that are released via retail. Either the list needs to include all PS3 games or the title needs to be changed to reflect that this is only retail games. It would seem better that a list is available for all PS3 games. It would also improve the credibility of the site to have all the games in this list since the title of the article reflects as much. I know that there is a separate list for "PSN only" games and thats an appropriate list to have. Maybe a new list should be created that has only retail releases on it. It would be quite simple to do since you would only need to copy this list over to a new one. TheUsedVersion (talk) 22:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Please see List of PlayStation Network games. Thanks. Thingg^⊕⊗ 23:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

As I said above, I know that there is a list for PSN games. The average person who comes to the site and sees that there is a list called, "List of Playstation 3 games" would expect to find all Playstation 3 games in the list, correct? A lot of people would not even know what PSN is. TheUsedVersion (talk) 23:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

We need to specify exactly what this list is supposed to include, with proper sources if applicable. Until we come up with inclusion criteria per WP:LIST, we should only include games that have their own Wikipedia articles. --Ronz (talk) 20:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Basically, the inclusion criteria appears to be games listed by independent sources. In most (all?) cases, the source is ps3.ign.com. These sourcing links need to be formatted as references. --Ronz (talk) 17:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Single source for trophies

I reverted a good faith edit which used a single source for all of the games' trophy flags. It's my understanding that it is always best to use an announcement directly from the a company involved where possible, in this case the games developer/publisher. This edit removed many of these refs. Also, ps3trophies.co.uk (the website used) has not been established as a reliable source and on the page provided, does not provide it's sources for the information. I see also that the TheSixthAxis's trophy list has been used as a source for some time however this page provides sources for games which have not yet been released or for patched that have not yet launched. It might be a good idea to replace these refs with direct sources anyway. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 09:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Play Factory

This game has been removed from the developer's site and they are ignoring enquiries about it. I think it has been dropped. It was even supposed to be released in 2007! 86.7.209.199 (talk) 02:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Removal of "exclusive" and "trophies" column

I don't believe this information is trivial. Exclusivity is very important for both the games and the consoles that they are exclusive to and as such, game exclusivity is reported widely in the gaming media. Having it in a list povides quick reference to the number and percentage of games which have only been released on this console. Trophies may be less important but are still widely reported in the gaming media, making them notable. I understand that the page is very big and something needs to be done, but simply removing valuable information without discussion doesn't seem like the way to go. One suggestion would be to maybe break the list down by year to create List of PlayStation 3 games first released in 2006, List of PlayStation 3 games first released in 2007, etc? ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 09:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Trophies are a trivial feature that people can find out in the game's respective article, and could be converted into a Category. Why do we need to list what PS3 games are exclusive when we have Category:PlayStation 3-only games? - A Link to the Past (talk) 09:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Does/should Wikipedia be long winded and confusing? If I wanted to read a list of all the games and whether they are exclusive or have trophies this list makes it very easy. However what you propose is that I click on each of the links for each game to find out if they are exclusive or have trophies. That would take me ages to do when the information is quite easily available in the list on this page. I don't believe that the information is trivial as it is quite important to some readers of the page that require that information. Surely by your reasoning the PS3 only games page should be removed; as in your eyes that is trivial information. Dark verdant (talk) 11:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

On the basis that it's not necessary because there are already categories that provide the same information, surely that makes the whole page redundant as there is already a 'PlayStation 3 games' category? Having the information in this form (helped by the colour-coding) provides an overview of the percentage of exclusive games and the percentage of games offering trophies, at a glance. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 13:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

What I proposed is "find this information by means of a category". You are trying to twist logic to say "well if being a category means this information is unnecessary THEN WE HAVE TO DELETE EVERYTHING LOLOL". The PS3 games category doesn't adequately replace the list, but the PS3-only category adequately replaces that column, as should a category of games with trophies. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Remove the Trophies section, I will add them back in. They stay or you will constantly be removing them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Virginian (talk • contribs) 17:52, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Strong argument. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, this is what I think we should do with the list in the article:

Example:

Title and Source	Developer	E	First released				T
Armored Core 4	From Software	N	21 December 2006	N	N	N	N

And make it into:

Title	Developer(s)	First Available	Regions Released
Armored Core 4	From Software	21 December 2006 JP

I think some of you are familiar with that table below that I brought into List of WiiWare games (with the exception of the extra column of Wii Points). Vernon (Versus22) (talk) 02:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

The three columns are unnecessary. Just have one column with NA, JP, PAL. And like I said, the list of trophies could easily be converted into a category with no loss of information. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

What three columns are you refering to, and why do we need trophies? Vernon (Versus22) (talk) 03:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

The regional columns. And I assumed that the T = Trophies. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: My bad, I misinterpreted what you said. I thought your first template was the one you proposed. Yeah, the template you propose is good, though we shouldn't use flagicons. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Is the Japanese release date column necessary or appropriate on en.wikipedia? I think the trophy and exclusivity columns are far more useful than this. If this was removed would it adequately reduce the size of the table? To be honest, I'm not a fan of the layout suggested above. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 08:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

It's the difference of four characters - "(JP)", while with Trophies and Exclusives you've got to put either the X or Check template or Yes/No every time. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

None of the 3 release columns are necessary. The only release column we should have is the the First Available column (the time when the game(s) first hit the market anywhere in the world. The exclusive and trophies definately must go, as it's not appropriate to have in a video game list. Vernon (Versus22) (talk) 22:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Trophies can be made into a category of "PlayStation 3 games which feature trophies". - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm talking about removing the Japanese release date from the existing layout - the difference is of more than four characters! Removing the Japanese release date would save a significant number of characters. In any case, I oppose the use of the check template. There's no point removing the flagicons only to slow down the page again with more graphics. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 08:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't really care who developed what, to me that is trivial information, therefore I propose we remove the developer column. It also probably takes up more space than exclusive and trophies put together. Just because something is trivial to one person does not mean it is to everyone else. Developer info can be found on each of the games pages just like exclusivity and trophies. As can the release dates so what are we left with on our list of playstation 3 games, the game names. Which quite frankly can be found on each of the game pages so whats the point of having this list? In order for people to find the information they want quickly and easily without trawling through hundreds of pages. I think the table the way it is right now should stay. Dark verdant (talk) 10:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

When someone brings up the argument of "well EVERYTHING can be found on the game page, so we shouldn't even have lists!", it indicates a failing argument. No one has ever argued that trophies and exclusive status are necessary, only useful - and when we deal in articles slowly growing in size, we can't afford to add extras. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Why is the games publisher not listed? The publisher is more important than the developer, especially since it's the publisher who usually finances and controls a game. Also, trophies don't need to be mentioned, especially since starting in January Sony will require every PS3 game to feature them. TJ Spyke 23:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

No idea. It certainly should be listed over developer. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

If all PS3 games have to have trophies after January then sure may as well get rid of that column. Is this going to be retroactive though? What about games that don't currently have trophies? Wouldn't know what is more important between developer and publisher though to be honest. Wouldn't the people who make the game be more important than the ones publishing it. Surely authors of books are more important than the company publishing it would this not be the same for games? Dark verdant (talk) 15:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Because publishers of books are not as famous as publishers of video games. If we went by developer for games like, say, Drawn to Life, we'd get the relatively unknown 5th Cell, rather than THQ, or if we did The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons, we'd get Flagship over Nintendo. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

The publisher column was removed some time ago because publishers are different in different regions and it proved impractical to list all of them in the table. A consensus was made that the developer was more important because they actually make the game.

Trophies being compulsory from January only applies to games sent for certification after December 31. It does not apply to games already released. In the future (six months or so), I'm sure this column will become redundant, but for the time being I still think it should stay. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 09:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)