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Q1: Should the article mention reports that Michael Jackson was Muslim? (No.)

A1: No. The article should not mention reports that Michael Jackson was Muslim. Jackson had not publicly spoken about his exact religion in a number of years and only spoke about spirituality in general terms. The specific reports of a conversion ceremony for Jackson have been denied by his New York lawyer Londell McMillan.[1] They were also denied by Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens [2] and Dawud Wharnsby [3] who were allegedly present at the ceremony. The Michael Jackson memorial service did not involve any Islamic rites. Without further details from his family or representatives, it will not be included in the article.

Q2: Should the "Jacko" name be mentioned in the lead? (No.)

A2: No. The "Jacko" name should not be mentioned in the lead. Past consensus goes against such inclusion. The name is a derogatory term used primarily by US/UK/Australian tabloids. The slogan is discussed in the relevant section of the article.

Q3: Should the article mention that Jackson reportedly had cancer/blindness/liver disease/AIDS, etc.? (No.)

A3: No. The article should not mention that Jackson reportedly had cancer, blindness, liver disease, AIDS, etc. Until such claims are confirmed by a Jackson representative it will not go in the article at all. These claims are largely fabricated by tabloids.

Q4: Should the article mention that Jackson reportedly had a secret child called Omer Bhatti? (No.)

A4: No. This claim was denied by Bhatti [4] and only a DNA test would resolve the matter.

Q5: Isn't Jackson the seventh child of the Jackson family, not the eighth? (No.)

A5: No. Marlon had a twin, Brandon, who died shortly after birth. This makes Michael the eighth child.

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Shiels, Maggie (June 28, 2009). "Web slows after Jackson's death". BBC News.
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New additions which will improve page substantially

Please make the following changes and additions to the article.

State that:

1) Michael Jackson is referred to as the King of the Music Video, too. 2) He is the most successful African-American recording artist in the history of music. 3) He holds more records and achievements than any other recording artist in the history of music. 4) He has raised more for charity than any other person in the history of show business.

Please add more images - the current ones are very bad! Keep the first main image as the main image, but also add the following:

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/media/multimedia/2009/06/25/media/MichaelJacksonYoung_t_w300_h600.jpg http://macleans.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/84843405.jpg http://live.drjays.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/michael_jackson.jpg http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/b/7/e/5/Michael_Jackson_performing_f47e.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_baOacp0B_V4/SkTuEnRa4HI/AAAAAAAACr4/pfyvOKh5XAc/s400/michael-jackson_performing.jpg http://passitonsv.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/smooth-criminal.jpg http://www.cine-electric.ie/img_library/news/thriller.jpg http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2009/07/michael_jackson_and_quincy_jones_at_the_grammys_in_1116397641.JPG http://ladjevic.com/dusan/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/48669857-michael_jackson_news.jpg - TO REPLACE THE CURRENT "THE WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL" PICTURE!!! http://www.epiphanyedu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/MJ.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bYcSLHBKSLI/SkT32HHKZAI/AAAAAAAAARI/4M3MhBehrlg/s400/z+jackson.jpg http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/images/stories/mjandpaul.jpg http://www.michael-jackson-lovers.com/images/Michael-Jackson-Diana.jpg http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/ncassley/2006/04/19/aa_billiejean_live5.jpg

And please update the video of the moonwalk to the one he did in Bucharest, because he hated the original Motown 25 moonwalk...

Please remove the image showing how the "Smooth Criminal" lean is performed, it ruins the legacy and illusion...

Finally, please ensure clips of all the following hits are on his page.

Billie Jean Bad Smooth Criminal Thriller Black Or White Beat It Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' Don't Stop Til' You Get Enough The Way You Make Me Feel Rock With You You Are Not Alone Man In The Mirror Earth Song Human Nature Heal The World Dirty Diana I Just Can't Stop Loving You —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickfryett (talk • contribs) 18:55, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rofl. Klow (talk) 22:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

inatruments

how do we know what instruments jackson could play? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.77.1 (talk) 20:56, 25 May 2010 (UTC) He played Piano in a pepsi advert and in the album credits he played a few. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.73.15 (talk) 15:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pop Singer Michael Jackson

In The Infobox For Age Of Death It Should Be (age 50),Also He Was An Author Having Written Three Books: Moonwalk (1988),Dancing The Dream: Poems And Reflections (1992),And My World: The Offical, Vol. 1 (2006).67.162.29.162 (talk) 02:08, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

Please make the following changes and additions to the article.

State that:

1) Michael Jackson is referred to as the King of the Music Video, too. 2) He is the most successful African-American recording artist in the history of music. 3) He holds more records and achievements than any other recording artist in the history of music. 4) He has raised more for charity than any other person in the history of show business.

Please add more images - the current ones are very bad! Keep the first main image as the main image, but also add the following:

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/media/multimedia/2009/06/25/media/MichaelJacksonYoung_t_w300_h600.jpg http://macleans.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/84843405.jpg http://live.drjays.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/michael_jackson.jpg http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/b/7/e/5/Michael_Jackson_performing_f47e.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_baOacp0B_V4/SkTuEnRa4HI/AAAAAAAACr4/pfyvOKh5XAc/s400/michael-jackson_performing.jpg http://passitonsv.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/smooth-criminal.jpg http://www.cine-electric.ie/img_library/news/thriller.jpg http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2009/07/michael_jackson_and_quincy_jones_at_the_grammys_in_1116397641.JPG http://ladjevic.com/dusan/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/48669857-michael_jackson_news.jpg - TO REPLACE THE CURRENT "THE WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL" PICTURE!!! http://www.epiphanyedu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/MJ.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bYcSLHBKSLI/SkT32HHKZAI/AAAAAAAAARI/4M3MhBehrlg/s400/z+jackson.jpg http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/images/stories/mjandpaul.jpg http://www.michael-jackson-lovers.com/images/Michael-Jackson-Diana.jpg http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/ncassley/2006/04/19/aa_billiejean_live5.jpg

And please update the video of the moonwalk to the one he did in Bucharest, because he hated the original Motown 25 moonwalk...

Please remove the image showing how the "Smooth Criminal" lean is performed, it ruins the legacy and illusion...

Finally, please ensure clips of all the following hits are on his page.

Billie Jean; Bad; Smooth Criminal; Thriller; Black Or White; Beat It; Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'; Don't Stop Til' You Get Enough; The Way You Make Me Feel; Rock With You; You Are Not Alone; Man In The Mirror; Earth Song; Human Nature; Heal The World; Dirty Diana; I Just Can't Stop Loving You— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickfryett (talk • contribs)

For 1-4 you will need to provide reliable sources. I doubt whether any of those images and the video can be used as they are almost certainly copyright and would not comply with WP:NFCC. – ukexpat (talk) 19:29, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First - "Thank you" for taking the time to comment on the article, we will review as to there merit of there inclusion.

Point by point view by Moxy (talk) 19:33, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1) Michael Jackson is referred to as the King of the Music Video - This is used in some blogs , but this statement is not found in mainstream news [5]

2) He is the most successful African-American recording artist in the history of music. - this sounds right - but we need a references...If i am not wrong only the Beatles and Evils have sole more.
3) He holds more records and achievements than any other recording artist in the history of music. - this sounds like it could right - but we need a references...
4) He has raised more for charity than any other person in the history of show business. - again sounds plausible but i can only find this statement in blogs.

Please add more images --- This is something we would all love, However we have copy right issues that must be adhered to See : Wikipedia:Images..

please update the video of the moonwalk to the one he did in Bucharest, because he hated the original Motown 25 moonwalk... - This might be possible we will have to look into copy right etc...

Please remove the image showing how the "Smooth Criminal" lean is performed, it ruins the legacy and illusion... This is not realy possible, as Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and does not censor information.

Finally, please ensure clips of all the following hits are on his page...... ...This might be possible, but requires lots of work,,, and i would assume that this is on everyone's TO DO list......

The article is already pushing fair use guidelines by having more then one audio sample. The sample is to get an idea of the sound of the musician, not his individual pieces. Those belong on the respective song article pages. Spigot Map 19:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes i though that is what the editor meant..i hope he was no suggesting all that on the main pageMoxy (talk) 19:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Grammys

I made some changes in regard to the grammy he has won. He won 13, not 15. His lifetime achievement award and legend award are special non-competitive awards that are presented by the recording academy. The Grammy winners search shows 13 grammys that he has won. Those special award he has received are in a way considered to be separate from grammys he has won. --Alextwa (talk) 20:13, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Intro is far too long

The introduction is far too long, it should be no more than two paragraphs. Everything else belongs in the article itself. (92.4.173.160 (talk) 20:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC))[reply]

The intro is to prepare you for the rest of the article, so the rest of the intro is supposed to be there. Guy546^(Talk) 20:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and will go ahead and restore it to its former length. People have been coming and adding every factoid to the lead/article when it is not necessary. Pyrrhus16 21:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as improvements to the lead are being reverted, it looks like I'll have to bring it up here. As has been noted, the lead is far too long. It is also oversourced. Information should be sourced in the body of the article, and no facts should be in the lead that aren't in the article body. Additionally, the lead is overlinked. Who doesn't know what an American is? Or what an actor, or a singer, or a dancer, or a poet is? Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is linked twice, as is music video. Songs are in italics when they should not be. There are also further MOS breaches. There is original research and peacock terms ("groundbreaking", "unrivaled contribution", etc), spelling errors and grammar errors. There is undue weight on certain details: "Referred to as the King of Pop or shortened form 'the King'". He is not frequently referred to as "The King". This is nonsense. Just because he may have been called something a few times by a few people, doesn't mean it should be mentioned, especially not in the lead. Too many facts are crammed into the lead, and should be mentioned in the body of the article, or even the subpages to which the information is relevant. Furthermore, there was no consensus for this bloated lead. It appears that people can add whatever fact they want to the article, but to remove one you have to take it up with every Tom, Dick and Harry that wanders by. The article is way over the recommended size guidelines; it is around 166,000 bytes. When I removed the bloat, overlinking and oversourcing from the lead, it reduced the article size by 5,000 bytes. Prior to Jackson's death, the article was around 112,000 bytes. It is absolutely ridiculous that this article is the size it is now, and even more ridiculous that individuals are trying to hinder the progress and restoration of this article. As there was no consensus for this bloated lead and there has been longstanding consenus for the succinct lead, I consider restoration of the overlong, oversourced, original research-filled, error-ridden and POV lead to be major disruption. Pyrrhus16 18:58, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I pretty much agree with everything Pyrrhus16 has said. Hardly anyone wants to take the time to discuss the issues, but these same editors are the first to jump to reverting any type of rewriting done anywhere in the article as it doesn't meet their taste of POV. It's a shame that the article has gone to hell and seems unlikely to ever return back to a stable, well-written piece. — ξ ^xplicit 19:18, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree with what Pyrrhus16 said, the lead is suppose to generally summarize the article without going into too much detail. Crystal Clear x3 23:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And yet, another revert. Boo. — ξ ^xplicit 01:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To the anon IP, it's not true that the lead should only be two paragraphs. WP:LEAD says, "no more than four", so for an article of this length, four is fine. That said, it does seem to have deteriorated rather since the article was promoted to FA. Look back at that version, which was much more succinct. We could use that as the basis for an updated version.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The introduction should be no more than two paragraphs though. Jackson was only a singer, he wasn't Napoleon. (92.10.127.145 (talk) 09:45, 1 June 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Your personal opinion of the subject's importance is completely irrelevant; the size of the lead should reflect the size and scope of the article.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:44, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The lead paragraphs should be no more than four paragraphs so to say that an artists accomplishments should be thrown out the window thats not right. There are other articles here on wikipedia with even longer paragraphs and in the lead. Michael Jackson is listed as the most successful entertainer of all time. To provide the information that backs that up isn't wrong its just the facts. I have been on this editing this Michael Jackson page religiously for a while now. The lead-paragraphs has always been the way it is now. You just dont go and change up the whole lead like that have some respect people.Knighttrain (talk) 13:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also Pyrrhus16 its funny on your talk page you said that you're a fan of Michael Jackson. yet according to your rants its seems otherwise. Your judgement can't be based on being biased. Also the article says Michael is called the King as a shortented form as the king of pop not the king of music. All information provided is within the guidlines of wikipedia in terms of paragraphs and valid sources. You may not like it but its the facts.

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	The lead paragraphs should be no more than four paragraphs so to say that an artists accomplishments should be thrown out the window thats not right. There are other articles here on wikipedia with even longer paragraphs and in the lead. Michael Jackson is listed as the most successful entertainer of all time. To provide the information that backs that up isn't wrong its just the facts. I have been on this editing this Michael Jackson page religiously for a while now. The lead-paragraphs has always been the way it is now. You just dont go and change up the whole lead like that have some respect people.[[User:Knighttrain\|Knighttrain]] ([[User talk:Knighttrain\|talk]]) 13:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)		The lead paragraphs should be no more than four paragraphs so to say that an artists accomplishments should be thrown out the window thats not right. There are other articles here on wikipedia with even longer paragraphs and in the lead. Michael Jackson is listed as the most successful entertainer of all time. To provide the information that backs that up isn't wrong its just the facts. I have been on this editing this Michael Jackson page religiously for a while now. The lead-paragraphs has always been the way it is now. You just dont go and change up the whole lead like that have some respect people.[[User:Knighttrain\|Knighttrain]] ([[User talk:Knighttrain\|talk]]) 13:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


			Also Pyrrhus16 its funny on your talk page you said that you're a fan of Michael Jackson. yet according to your rants its seems otherwise. Your judgement can't be based on being biased. Also the article says Michael is called the King as a shortented form as the king of pop not the king of music. All information provided is within the guidlines of wikipedia in terms of paragraphs and valid sources. You may not like it but its the facts.