Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing

FAR

I have nominated Macintosh for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 22:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Project Monitor

I suggest adding Project Monitor by Virage Group [1] to the list. Project Monitor is well known in France and Moroco and used by big companies and public services. Project Monitor is different of other portfolio management softwares because it is simple to use (like Base Camp for instance) but powerfull and BI minded with drill functionalities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pilote44 (talk • contribs) 11:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible to filter large tables in mediaWiki?

Does anyone know of a way to add a drop-down style filter to the tops of tables? Some of these articles that list different software and compares the features seem clumsy, I was just looking at the List of content management systems,and thought I'd put a note here to see if any of you awesome folks could think of a brilliant answer. Could HTML5 just make the browser do it? 71.195.228.116 (talk) 01:56, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

No, not with MediaWiki's limitations. Gary King (talk) 03:45, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Review of EICASLAB requested

User:Caporaletti (or Gabriella), the creating editor and most prolific contributor of the article, has politely asked me to review the EICASLAB article for advertising tone. She approached me because I nominated the article for deletion back in 2008 on the grounds that it failed notability criteria and that it read like an advertisement. I withdrew my nomination due to Gabriella's efforts to address the issues and several subsequent discussions that I had with her during which time she proved to be extremely cordial, civil and understanding of what the concerns were. She has been working on the article ever since and would now like a second opinion. I am not well versed in this field of knowledge so I'd like to refer this issue to your WikiProject if anyone would like to look over the article and offer their thoughts about the issue to Gabriella. Big Bird (talk • contribs) 12:56, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Glossary of computers

I have created a basic Glossary of computers page as well as the related Category:Glossaries on computers. A related Glossary of computing should be created to describe terms relating to software and Glossary of computers should be reserved for hardware terms. The creation of these glossaries is well overdue especially considering that some of the lesser known computer topics already have glossaries. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Computer hardware

Computer hardware could do with its own article rather than being a redirect. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 10:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

What other sections are you thinking about? What format? What scope? Computing hardware also redirects there but the abacus is a computing hardware item. That is already in History of computing hardware. Do we count cell phones because they run computations? I'm brainstorming and following the implications. You make a good point and I agree and it needs some planning. It would be possibly be a huge article. Alatari (talk) 10:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

How about Modern computer hardware/History of computing hardware or (Historical computer hardware) contains the entire realm.Alatari (talk) 10:47, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Some people will think that "modern computer hardware" is only stuff after 2005. Peter Flass (talk) 18:28, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

WikiPedia Ads

Here is the Wikipedia Ad for This Project:

Wikipedia ads	file info – show another – #1

[[::User:Andewz111|Andewz111]] (talk · contribs) (typo intended) 01:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't that heavily favour Windows instead of Computing (there's things like Linux, and Macintosh out there)? 76.66.193.224 (talk) 23:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I can animate the ad to rotate through the various logos. OpenTheWindows, sir! 22:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Close to finishing. The end result has some more logos too. I'll update the ad soon. OpenTheWindows, sir! 23:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Done! OpenTheWindows, sir! 00:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Nice -- Tinu Cherian - 13:27, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey, what about OS/2? Peter Flass (talk) 18:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Wiktionary X Window System

FYI,

someone is questioning wikt:X Window System as a term.

76.66.193.224 (talk) 07:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Several points:

• It is a common term
• There's not talk page, much less an explanation of what the issue is
• On the flip side, X11 and X Window System reference each other but neither provides any real information about X11.

My take is that the two articles should be merged and one of the names made a redirect. The article is a stub, but concerns a reasonably important topic, so I don't believe that it should be simply deleted. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 15:26, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Help: Save the Operating System

The term Operating System is now endangered, and needs your help to save it! Every OS vendor now wants to avoid the term operating system like the plague. Instead, all vendors want to use the term 'Platform' instead, as it gives the impression it is something more than a disk operating system. Makes it feel like a suite of tools, rather than just a DOS. Even though traditionally, a computer platform referred to the combination of hardware and software together. Using the word 'platform' to describe an OS is marketing fluff. But that doesn't stop the marketing people at every OS vendor from wanting to call their OSes a platform. Google calls Android a 'platform'. However, that argument is now over, and the article has finally settled nicely at Android (operating system). However, other OSes are fighting to be renamed 'platforms', and the debate is currently going on at those articles. See Talk:Bada (operating system), and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Symbian platform. The public generally thinks of Bada, Symbian, MeeGo, and Android as operating systems, despite what other terms the vendors try to use. Thanks for saving the old-fashioned world 'operating system'.--Lester 21:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

In what follows there may be no answer to your question. Can you provide detail so that a true answer might be given?

In my opinion the definitions taught in the 1970s and 1980s have not changed. Confusing marketing terms and technical terms can be a capital mistake. Nevertheless, today's businesses go out of there way to do exactly that. (In some cases this can make a deficiency more difficult to see. In other situations, an genuine lack of understanding is the reason. To those who don't appreciate just how difficul is technical writing, such prose may appear dry or boring. To someone who seeks to understand, there are times when well-written technical information is pure beauty.

The term "Operating System (OS)" refers to the lowest-level of code. The term "deepest" may be more appropriate than "lowest" since the former is analogous to use when describing anatomy. (Superficial being on the other end). Another term refers to how the OS contrasts with other code and identifies the OS as having the highest degree of detail. OS code is dedicated to making resources (often hardware) available to other code. It typically includes other functionality for memory management (unless there is no memory management as in an MMU-less device) and a job scheduler. To be useful as a multi-use OS, it usually runs a shell. The shell parses command line input. A graphical interface, or GUI, provides a pictorial interface to the command line. The "platform" refers to the hardware. (This is why the term "Android" is not a correct reference to a telephone.)

The term "platform" can be found in marketing literature and in other non-technical documents. The ease with which non-technical people can manipulate a network node (a device) has given rise to documentation that is considered "technical". Unfortunately the term "Technical Writing" is what is being obscured. Vendors used to employ (and some still do) someone with an engineering degree (or say, An Associate Degree in engineering) as a Technical Writer. The because the nature of technical writing varies substantially from other writing forms.

More people are willing to write than in earlier decades but the quality of that writing has dropped. It is easier to improve writing skills than it is to elicit the technical information so this problem may correct itself. Technical writing isn't really "creative" but "Creative Writing" is creative. There seem to be more tech writers who maintain a creative writer's ego, so improvement may be hard to come by. Software design (and hardware design) require creativity. Adhering to the facts created by a designer, is the job undertaken by a technical writer. Or, so it seems to me.

Kernel.package (talk) 02:34, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Request for Feedback

Your expertise are requested!

A user is Requesting feedback on an article related to computing, if you can help out please do so here: Wikipedia:Requests for feedback#Input/Output Control System.

WP:FEED provides general feedback about the quality of articles, helps users add references and such to get new pages higher on the quality ladder. Best regards, Captain n00dle\^Talk 08:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

The topic Input/Output Control System is a programming interface for early IBM systems. Knowledge from someone familiar with those systems would be helpful. I posted comments on what I could. --Pnm (talk) 00:04, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Help cleaning up Features of Skype

I've done some work on this article and I'm looking for advice on how to proceed next.

Should articles about rapidly evolving products provide detailed back story about features? I can't tell if recentism needs to be avoided here, especially for something evolving so quickly.

For example, under Subscription calling plans:

On 19 December 2006, Skype announced that there would be a new pricing structure in 2007. Details on a new scheme were released 18 January 2007. The initial press release was vague about the new scheme, but it did reveal that there may be a new connection fee.

In January 2007, Skype launched a prepaid Unlimited call subscription service for North American customers. Skype's Unlimited calling offers a full year of Unlimited calls to anyone, on any phone, within the U.S. and Canada for a one-time (i.e., annual) fee. This plan which was called Skype Pro only allowed the unlimited calls that were made from inside North America. As of April 21, 2008, these plans were changed to the new calling subscription plans, which don't require the calls to start from a certain country. Under the current plans, there is a Unlimited US & Canada plan for $2.95 or €1.95 per month, an Unlimited Country plan for $5.95 or €3.95 per month, and an Unlimited World plan for $12.95 or €8.95 per month.

I'm inclined to condense the history into one sentence.

There's also Skype#History.

Any thoughts?

--Pnm (talk) 02:30, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Category for lists of popular pages

I propose that there be a category for the following pages and others like them.

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing/Popular pages
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment/Popular pages
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals/Popular pages
  

-- Wavelength (talk) 23:41, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

• Support—I have no objection to the creation of this category. It couldn't hurt, but will need updating. Could a bot read the WP namespace pages and update the articles accordingly along with the lists? Airplaneman ✈ 23:49, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I am considering the name Category:Lists of popular pages by WikiProject. It would be a subcategory of Category:Wikipedia.
-- Wavelength (talk) 15:15, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

That sounds good. Do you know of a bot that can update articles? Airplaneman ✈ 17:56, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

The system uses bidirectional linking. When one adds a category to a page, that page is automatically added to the category. It is somewhat similar to editing an article by adding to it an internal link to an second article, and the second article automatically having a link to the first article in "What links here". -- Wavelength (talk) 19:54, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I know. I'm asking whether we should have a bot update pages, placing or removing the category as necessary, as I'm sure what pages are regarded as popular will change over time (top 1500 for computing and environment, top 500 for mammals). Airplaneman ✈ 20:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Each of the three lists says, under "Lists", "Period: 2010-05-01 — 2010-05-31 (UTC)". It seems to me that a software program will automatically update each list after the end of June, and monthly after that. For placing the category, more of such pages would have to found, and for removing the category, I can not think of a reason. -- Wavelength (talk) 22:01, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

What I'm saying is that it is highly unlikely that the top 1500 most popular pages will invariably be the same 1500 pages after each update – some pages will drop out of the top 1500, while some will join the ranks. Every time the list changes, pages will need to be updated. Airplaneman ✈ 22:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I must have misread – if you are creating a category for the lists themselves and not the individual pages within the lists, then a bot update will not be necessary. Sorry for the confusion! Airplaneman ✈ 22:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Would a personal bibliography be of use to other project members

I've been compiling a personal bibliography of sources that I might want to cite in articles that I edit or write. It currently has sections on IBM program numbers, IBM Selectable Unit numbers and (mostly IBM) manuals, with {{cite manual}} markup for the manuals. Is this a resource that would be of use to other project members, and, if so, should I move it somewhere in project space? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 16:22, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Dispute resolution process?

The Wiki page on dispute resolution suggests obtaining assistance from Wikiproject prior to posting an RfC, but I haven't located anything that explains how to request that assistance. The article in question, IBM System/360 is within the purview of this project. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 15:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

What is the nature of the dispute? --Kvng (talk) 02:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

There were several disputes, mostly resolved, e.g.,

• Listing 2361 as a peripheral
• Name of 2361

but I'd like to know the proper procedure for future reference. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 18:48, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations on working it out. If good diplomacy does not work, one of the next steps is to involve other editors through various means. Have you read WP:DR? --Kvng (talk) 18:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's what sent me to Wikipedia:Requests for comment, which contains the text

If the article is complex or technical, it may be worthwhile to ask for help at the relevant WikiProject.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 15:18, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. You did well. You'll get better help with a more specific request (e.g. reference a section on a talk page in your request). --Kvng (talk) 16:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Are you saying that the proper procedure is to start a new section in the project talk page, summarize the issue and provide wikilinks to the discussion on the article talk page? Thanks. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's the best way to do it IMO --Kvng (talk) 18:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Astrology and computers

On the fringe theories noticeboard we've been discussing the above article. We've decided that an article probably is justified, because horoscope application software is a notable topic. But you people may want to review the article title, as well as its structure and sourcing. So, handing it over to you, if we may. Itsmejudith (talk) 09:46, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

GNU

There is a content dispute on the GNU article -the problem is basically where and how to put the current usability status of GNU in the article lead. There is a long discussion between me and User:Yworo on the talk page about that and it seems we're unable to reach a compromise. Expert attention would help. Thanks. --Cyclopia^talk 00:36, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles covering IBM I/O channel architecture

I plan to expand Count Key Data to provide an overview of how it works from a programming perspective. The text will require an understanding of the Channel I/O on the IBM System/360. Ideally I would like to just use a Wikilink to an existing article, but I haven't found one with the requisite material, so I will need to write it myself. I raised a question in User talk:Chatul#IBM System/360 I/O channel description as to the proper placement of the new material on S/360 I/O channels, and Chzz (talkl) suggested that I ask on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing. Tom94022 (talk) suggested that I either add it to Channel I/O or write a second article on S/360 & 370 I/O Channel with a link therefrom.

If I had time I would write a series of linked articles on

• IBM 7000 series 6-bit channels
• IBM 7000 series 8-bit channels
• IBM S/360 and successors common channel architecture
• IBM S/3x0 S/370 mode I/O
• IBM S/370 Extended Architecture I/O
• IBM S/3x0 Bus and Tag Channels

As it is, I've committed myself to too much already in User:Chatul#My contribs and User:Chatul#To do, so I only plan to write the material that I need to refer to from Count Key Data. So my question is whether to do it in an incomplete new section of Channel I/O, a new section of Count Key Data or a seriously incomplete new stub. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 01:44, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of VGASAVE

This is to notify members of this WikiProject, within which scope this article falls, that VGASAVE, has been listed for deletion. Editors interested in the deletion discussion, are invited to participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VGASAVE (2nd nomination). Thank you. - Ahunt (talk) 11:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Cvision Technologies

This is to notify members of this WikiProject, within which scope this article falls, that Cvision Technologies, has been listed for deletion. Editors interested in the deletion discussion, are invited to participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cvision Technologies. Thank you. - Ahunt (talk) 19:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Kane karu

This is to notify members of this WikiProject, within which scope this article falls, that Kane karu, has been listed for deletion. Editors interested in the deletion discussion, are invited to participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kane karu. Thank you. Empty Buffer (talk) 21:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

What happened to the auto-sequencing memory page?

WTF? Auto-sequencing memory is a very important concept in computing and computing science. And it's the crucial center-stone to non-von-nuemann architecture and data-centric processing. I'm pretty sure there was a page on it before. WTF happened? Kevin Baas^talk 19:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Deleted under WP:CSD#R1 as a redirect to deleted page Anti machine. Airplaneman ✈ 05:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay, then what morons voted to delete anti-machine? Did they just think "duh, that sounds like some geek's pet project. delete."? thanks for the info. Anycase, there are a lot of pages that link to it and a lot of content that discusses it or is very relevant to it. (e.g. Zero-copy, systolic array, reconfigurable computing...). but right now there's just this big black hole where a half-century old idea used to be. ("anti-"machine, oh, ironic!) and something needs to be done about it. and i don't think deleting THOSE articles too would be a proper solution. Kevin Baas^talk 20:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

What the heck is this on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computing/Collaboration

I initially thought someone had vandalized this page when some random paragraph editing. I now believe it was done on purpose by our own key member and contributor Tinucherian. I certainly hope I don't offend you, but the text that appears on the main Computing project page linked to the Collaboration page really does not appear to belong there. Even though you have it on the collaboration page it automatically rolls up to the main Computing page. I would like to vote that you remove that content. I believe you even mentioned it yourself that you were not sure where to put the content. What about on your talk page? I see no problem giving people a link to that, but it really appears out of place here in the encyclopedia (even thought it is the editors' sections). Again I certainly have no intention of insulting anyone. Thanks for considering this change. § Music Sorter § (talk) 08:56, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I noticed this too (it's hard to not!) and assumed it was simply an accidental use of {{ instead of [[. After reading this, I've now realised what Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computing/Collaboration is supposed to be used for. Nevertheless, my edit solves the problem of the project page being trashed. --kikumbob (talk) 16:19, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Where in Virtual memory article to discuss CCW translation

I would like to add some material to Virtual memory that explains Channel Control Word (CCW) translation in, e.g., IBM's flagship operating system. As the article is currently structured, I don't see any good place to put the new material.

Note that the UCB is not an appropriate place to discuss I/O, and that the relevant systems do not use an I/O Memory Mapping Unit (I/O MMU).

Suggestions? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 13:23, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

New subcategory for Category:KDE

Hi, you might be interested in my suggestion for a new subcategory of KDE here. --Schuhpuppe (talk) 01:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Dining cryptographers problem/protocol/whatevah

There are two articles, dining cryptographers problem and dining cryptographers protocol, that have been tagged for a proposed merger since last November — as well as a sandbox rewrite of "protocol", which has existed since 2005 without ever getting seriously merged into its target. (Further, that sandbox page was sitting in articlespace, where sandbox pages aren't supposed to be, but since the user who created it hasn't been around since 2006 I've moved it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing/Dining cryptographers protocol/Rewrite instead.) Could somebody take a whack at merging the articles if appropriate, or removing the tags if it's not? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 18:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Software archaeology

This is to notify members of this WikiProject, within which scope this article falls, that Software archaeology, has been listed for deletion. Editors interested in the deletion discussion, are invited to participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Software archaeology. Thank you. - Radagast3 (talk) 01:04, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Computer aided presentation

The article Computer aided presentation has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No incoming links, content is covered in The Mother of All Demos, subject phrase is not encyclopedic does not need an article any more the walking with shoes

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 16:38, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

This strikes me as an interesting topic. I see that User:Radagast3 extensively cross-referenced the article. Article seem legitimate, even if User:Radagast3 may have been overzealous with links. Wxidea (talk) 03:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

New page: SpicyNodes -- Is it notable?

Hi. I am the initial author for SpicyNodes, an article on a relatively new web-based radial mapping tool, which has been published in peer reviewed journals, including the well-regarded InfoVis2009. I am also a key team member on the project. I felt that we have enough peer reviewed background, 2 other academic works that cite our work, a few undergraduate courses which use our work, a userbase of over 20 thousands users, and growing blog coverge -- that we might be notable enough to warrant inclusion. If not, there is a proposal to merge our project into a page about our nonprofit organization (but I think that's a bad idea since the software is much more broadly interesting to the public than our organization is). I would like to request review by someone who has more of a computing background. In the meantime, I have left the COI and notablity flags -- but if you have time to take a look, and think it is notable, please remove them. Wxidea (talk) 02:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Triangular array

I've created a new article titled triangular array, concerning such things as Pascal's triangle, Stirling numbers, Narayana numbers, Bell polynomials, etc. It is severely stubby. Currently 17 articles (not counting redirects) link to it.

So:

• Expand it.
• Add any appropriate new links to it from other articles.

Michael Hardy (talk) 21:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

writing a new article

Hi, we are running a non-profit humanitarian project from the university and we would like to write a small article describing what the project does. This would be my first article at wikipedia, so thought a bit of guidance would be great. The project is called Labdoo; I have written a sample article under my personal domain User:Jordi.ros/Labdoo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jordi.ros/Labdoo). I was wondering if it would be proper to put this article under your category and if you would be willing to accept it. Our intention is only to be informative of the type of work the project does. Some of the concepts the project is based on, sit on what economists call commons-based peer production, or open source project. Labdoo is actually a project similar to the wikipedia project but with the goal to mobilize laptops for the developing world and to promote recycling. --Jordi.ros (talk) 20:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

connect card

i wrote this article but i do not know how to rate it in its talk page. thanks --Pierpao (talk) 10:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

History of Computing, Australian conference proceedings

I ran across some conference proceedings that might be interesting, especially for adding information about the history of computing in Australia. online at springerlink and also published as a book with ISBN 978-3-642-15199-6: History of Computing. Learning from the Past, IFIP WG 9.7 International Conference, HC 2010, Held as Part of WCC 2010, Brisbane, Australia, September 20-23, 2010. Proceedings Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 14:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Help with an article?

Hi. The article PlusCal was listed at the copyright problems board as an unusably close paraphrase of its source, [2]. Rather than delete it, I made an effort to replace it, but I am so over my head in this field. :) If somebody had an opportunity, I'd be very grateful for a quick review in case I've misunderstood something, because I don't even really know what the text I wrote means. :D (I lack the background, alas.) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:46, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

 Done --Kvng (talk) 17:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much! :D --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:27, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Computing articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release

Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.

We would like to ask you to review the Computing articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as One Laptop per Child and Wikipedia for Schools to extend the reach of Wikipedia worldwide. Please help us, with your WikiProject's feedback!

For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, SelectionBot 22:18, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merge to Middleware

I would appreciate comments on the proposed merger of Enterprise service bus, Message-oriented middleware and Message broker to the Middleware article at the merger dicussion. -- prat (talk) 07:04, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Hyper Algorithmic Logic 15

I don't know enough about supercomputers to but a hoax template there, but it does look fishy. Could somebody have a look at it? Thanks, ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 16:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I just googled HAL-15 and come up with this: [3] . it looks legit, and the stuff on the website is all technically correct. and while i can't confirm their purchase orders / customers / partners / claimed circuit density, it's all plausible. the only thing is what they call a "hypercomputer" is not a hypercomputer as defined on wikipedia. also, that article is definitely a stub and needs more sources. Kevin Baas^talk 17:28, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, NASA isn't very well funded, so it's questionable whether they could afford that. DOD or DARPA, on the other hand, sure. Kevin Baas^talk 17:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I've copied this discussion to the article's talk page and added a couple tags to the article itself. --Kvng (talk) 17:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. when i said "the stuff on the website is all technically correct", i meant "all the technical stuff on the website is correct". and by "all" i meant, of course, what i considered a reasonable sample size. i.e. "the technical stuff looks correct." (sorry, wasn't enough left-brain there.) Kevin Baas^talk 18:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Memory hole (computing)

I recently run into a term "memory hole" (and "memory hole remapping") in my BIOS. I tried looking it up on wiki, but the closest I can find is the disambig at Memory hole (disambiguation) directing me to Slab allocation (and with a confusing sub-bullet point in the disambig). Perhaps somebody more familiar with the area could either stub or redirect memory hole (computing) (and if possible, add an explanation of the memory hole remapping somewhere)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:30, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Comparison of software articles

Just tossing an idea out here and seeing what you folks think of it. Being the geek I am, when I want to download some software for a specific task (i.e. notetaking software) I like to do some research to determine which specific app will tailor to my needs and wants best. Naturally, I turn to Wikipedia for my research purposes. This will eventually lead me to some article titled "Comparison of xxxxxxx software" (i.e. Comparison of notetaking software). The tables in the article allow me to filter the software by certain features I want, and can provide various different technical details. I would like to know how you guys would feel about adding a "Most Downloaded" or "Most Popular" table as well? Sometimes there are several different applications that would fit my needs based on their features, but I would like to know something subjective...Which one is the best? I think having a "Most Downloaded" table would provide useful, factual information about popularity that could also be used to suggest which one of the applications has the best quality for the average user. Tell me what you think! 24.118.174.244 (talk) 03:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Stuxnet

I have requested that the article Stuxnet be assessed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computing/Assessment#Open_requests. I am hoping we can get some eyes on this, being that it is a popular subject. I think it is a good candidate for FA class, eventually, if not already. Sephiroth storm (talk) 15:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

It looks like it has already been evaluated by Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer Security. The rating looks reasonable. There are potential WP:NPOV with all the political content in this article. I don't think you'll get a lot of competent help with that in the technically-oriented WikiProjects. --Kvng (talk) 13:09, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I have to disagree with a start class rating. The article is well referenced, better than half the WP:COMPSEC articles. The citation style is in line with policy. NPOV should not be an issue because it is well sourced, all of the news information is mostly limited to the appropriate section. Looking at the criteria on Computing assessment, i'm moving it to B class, with a GAN.Sephiroth storm (talk) 16:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the article is well cited. I feel like there is technical detail missing, that organization should be improved and some internal contradictions addressed before I'd give it a B rating. --Kvng (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I am not an expert wikipedian be any standard, feel free to contribute. Sephiroth storm (talk) 02:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Collaboration page?

Is the content of Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing/Collaboration/Current really supposed to be there? Ipsign (talk) 18:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Page (computer memory)

A discussion is underway on this article's talk page which could benefit from input from knowledgable editors. Thanks Tiderolls 00:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment (eHarmony)

Please visit eHarmony's discussion page for a discussion regarding the use of a citation that is critical of eHarmony. Some feel that it is a commentary by a notable competitor and should be presented as such, but others consider it too biased to be reliable. Shawnc (talk) 07:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Input sought on Computer water cooling article

Hi all, I joined in here after perusing Wikipedia's vast expanse of computer-related articles, only to be surprised that there is not an article that adequately covers the subject of PC water cooling.

I've done a bit of digging, and have found a substantial set of WP:RS (mainly books and magazine publications) covering this topic in detail, and as a result I want to start a new article on the topic. Before doing so, I have two questions that I'd like to get your thoughts on:

• As it stands, computer water cooling is mentioned as subsections of two broader articles:

1. Water_cooling#Computer_usage
2. Computer_cooling#Water_cooling

Both of these articles warrant a good bit of revision to be brought up to Wikipedia's own guidelines; however I feel that either one would become imbalanced if I expanded upon computer water cooling within one or both of them. Is this fair justification for creating an article of it's own on computer water cooling?

• Which name would best fit this potential new article: PC water cooling, Computer water cooling, or Water cooling of computers?

For additional background, see this discussion that I've attempted to revive at Talk:Water_cooling#This_article_is_much_too_focused_on_water_cooling_of_computers. Looking forward to hearing your ideas on how to best move forward. Cheers, Carthan (talk) 16:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I would go with Computer water cooling: This title is a bit more inclusive. If you find anything about water cooling of mainframe computers it should really be discussed in the same article for comparison. This will be a common subarticle of water cooling and computer cooling, and computer cooling is currently getting way too much weight in water cooling. Therefore the article will fit nightly into the encyclopedia and solve real problems of content duplication and undue weight.

Nevertheless, when you start the article be sure that there are references from your very first edit. That way you can probably an unnecessary AfD or other complication due to some overeager editor. Hans Adler 17:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Although I personally would spend my time improving Computer cooling it is not a problem to start a new article. We can always do a merge later if the topic turns out not to merit it's own article. --Kvng (talk) 18:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Solid. I'll look to compile a draft on the side over the next few weeks (making sure to reference WP:RS from the start), and I'll fill you all in on my progress as I go along. Also if any others have an interest in collaborating with me on this topic, drop me a line here or on my user talk page, and we can go from there. Best, Carthan (talk) 23:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree that PC water cooling is overly specific, and agree with suggestion of Computer water cooling; and also one link for reference (just in case if you didn't see it): http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13278_na/13278_na.HTML ; I think information that not only home-made water cooling solutions exist (which is a common perception), but that a major manufacturer (HP) produces this kind of stuff for their flagship workstation, is certainly important for this kind of article. Ipsign (talk) 04:34, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Personally I think this is certainly not one of our core topics, but if Carthan wants to extend the stuff that is already in water cooling even further then that's certainly permissible and must go to a separate article to avoid giving undue weight to the topic. Hans Adler 07:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Given that mainframes have been using water cooling since at least the late 1960's, it would be inappropriate to limit the new article to PC's.

BTW, there's an irony here. One of IBM's selling points for the 9672 was that it did not require water cooling. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 07:15, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

System bus model

FYI, System bus model was prodded for deletion. I deprodded it, since I think it deserves atleast an AfD, and it seems to describe how a computer is configured, with a bus, CPU, memory, and I/O devices. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 04:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. This was not an uncontroversial delete proposal. --Kvng (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation of common terms used with specialized meaning for computers

I recently proposed a move of Architecture to clear the way for a disambiguation page, and it occurred to me that there may be other common terms with specialized meanings for computers where articles have used the ambiguous term in their titles and failed to provide for disambiguation. Is it within the scope of WikiProject Computing to identify such articles? Is there already a project doing that?

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 17:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

A quick search indicates that Architecture shows up in the titles of numerous computer-related articles. Architecture (disambiguation) may need a little work but it does already hit the high points. I don't think that it needs to be exhaustive (see WP:PTM) --Kvng (talk) 20:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Marking article on CLI as needing examples?

Talk:TSS/360 has an inappropriate {{Reqscreenshot}} tag; it has no GUI. I could simply delete the template, but is there an alternative means to indicate that the article needs sample commands, scripts or outputs? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 17:46, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

"Thinking in"

FYI, Thinking in C++ and Thinking in Java have been nominated for deletion. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 06:05, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Deleting of minor Linux distributions

Currently deletion of Santa Fe Linux and SLAMPP is being discussed, input on respective AfD pages is appreciated. Results of these two AfD discussions are likely to affect many minor Linux distributions. Ipsign (talk) 06:46, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Merging from "Automated code review" to "List of tools for static code analysis"

Hi, just wanted to inform you that I have been doing several merge activities from Automated code review to List of tools for static code analysis. Summary of what I have done is given here Talk:Automated_code_review#Rename_or_merge_summary. I have also rescued some content which qualified as "linkspam" (or so) here Talk:Automated_code_review#Rescued.2Fsaved_information_which_was_only_using_external_http_links. Feedback is welcome here Talk:Automated_code_review. Thanks, Ptrb (talk) 17:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC).

Please provide feedback on refactoring proposal for Coding Conventions related pages

Hi, just wanted to let you know that I have made a proposal for some bigger (but straight-forward) refactorings for the articles on Coding conventions, Programming style and Naming convention (programming). Current proposals are documented here Talk:Coding_conventions#Refactoring_coding_conventions_and_programming_style_articles. Preparational changes are documented here Talk:Coding_conventions#Refactoring_coding_conventions_and_programming_style_articles_-_Summary_of_preparations_and_changes_made. I had some QA on this with admin User:HelloAnnyong, as you can see here User_talk:HelloAnnyong#Comment_re_change_by_Ptrb (see my question from "08:28, 4 November 2010 (UTC)"). I will not do any bigger changes there in the next (few) week(s). Any feedback/input is appreciated here Talk:Coding_conventions#Refactoring_coding_conventions_and_programming_style_articles, at the respective proposal. Thanks, Ptrb (talk) 17:32, 4 November 2010 (UTC).

WikiProject cleanup listing

I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 19:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

sr.wiki and old computers

Hi. Few months ago we automatically created ~900 articles using data from site oldcomputers.com. Now we have many orphans. Are you interested in doing same thing here? Full list of generated articles you can see here. Cheers. -- Bojan  Talk  10:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Are Supervisor Call instruction and System call the same thing?

I would have initially thought no, but from this ref: http://www.answers.com/topic/supervisor-call I am not so sure. Note that apparently Supervisor call is the same as Supervisor call instructions (according to the redirect). Any clarification on this would be great. If you are knowledgeable in this, either merge the two or remove the merge request/etc. Kind regards.Calaka (talk) 01:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

No, they are not the same thing. A Supervisor Call instruction simply causes an interrupt; any further processing is up to the SVC interrupt handler. Contrast this with, e.g., the behavior of the Program Call (PC) instruction on the IBM System/370, where the operating systems role is limited to initializing control registers and control blocks; the actual PC instruction does the context switching and dispatching without OS involvement.

Note: the protocol for {{merge}} calls for creating a new section for discussion of the merger on the talk page of the target article. Since you didn't do so, I created one and quoted the subject of your updated. If you decide to retract your {{merge}} request, please delete the discussion section I created or mark it dead. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 06:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

On the ICL mainframes, now defunct, users could set up their own access levels and do calls between them. Whether the call and exit instructions could be considered as system calls in this context is really up to your way of looking at it. Dmcq (talk) 12:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

AfDProposed deletion of Number cruncher.

There is a proposed deletion n AdD in progress for the article Number cruncher.

My feeling is that we should have an article on this topic - but the article that's there right now is really pretty terrible - and as such I don't feel justified in opposing the deletion. It would be A Very Good Thing if someone with some time on their hands could remove the AfDWP:PROD template and give it some TLC.

SteveBaker (talk) 13:42, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

FWIW: a) it is not an AfD, but another process, WP:PROD. Within this process, anybody can simply remove {prod} template to stop this process (to indicate that there is no consensus on deletion) - then it might be submitted to AfD. b) personally I don't think that having this page is a good idea, and would support deleting it on AfD, though if you can find another article where to put a section on it and make a redirect from Number crunching there, I certainly won't object. Ipsign (talk) 15:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry - I don't follow all the technicalities of WP processes - the fact is that the article will be deleted unless we do something to improve it. The grounds for deleting it are claimed to be that "Number cruncher" is jargon - but then what computing pages aren't?! Byte is also jargon - we're not contemplating deleting that! SteveBaker (talk) 14:14, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The grounds for deletion don't matter at all. So long as the article merely gets deleted by prod, everybody is free to recreate it. So long as nobody can be bothered to write a real article, this deletion without prejudice to recreation, is the best thing that can happen. If you remove the prod it will probably go to AfD and be subject to the usual inclusionist/exclusionist battles. As a result, it will likely be either deleted with prejudice, or will have to be improved immediately. Hans Adler 14:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh great! Don't you just love Wikipolitics? You have to allow an article that you think should stay to be deleted in order that you'll be able to recreate it. <sigh> SteveBaker (talk) 18:31, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Comparison of MPI, OpenMP, and Stream Processing

Please comment on AfD for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of MPI, OpenMP, and Stream Processing (3rd nomination) (2nd nomination didn't get any feedback, so it got re-nominated). Ipsign (talk) 10:46, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Modular computering cluster

For your information: Modular computering cluster has been proposed for deletion. -- Crowsnest (talk) 00:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

BeeCard

Hello, my friends: A group of us are working on clearing the backlog at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_October_2006. The article in the above header has been without sources for the past four years and might b e removed if none are added. I wonder if you can help find one or two good references. Sincerely, and all the best to you, GeorgeLouis (talk) 22:43, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done Good luck with your project. --Kvng (talk) 17:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Help on new article

Hi, could somebody help me verify if this article can be published? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jordi.ros/Labdoo). I was wondering if it would be proper to put this article under your category and what needs to be done to do so. Thanks. Jordi.ros (talk) 11:10, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, and welcome to Wikipedia! Labdoo sounds like an interesting and worthwhile project. I can't tell yet whether the project meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for websites. You may want to start by reading that, and then seeing if you can identify some reliable and independent sources that provide substantial coverage.

I also encourage you to read these:

• Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research, and Wikipedia:Citing sources
• Wikipedia:Neutral point of view
• Wikipedia:Conflict of interest

--Pnm (talk) 08:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

In general, to satisfy criteria of WP:NOTABILITY, references to some third-party coverage in reliable sources should be demonstrated. IMHO, currently such coverage is not demonstrated at all. Ipsign (talk) 12:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Linearizability and atomic operation

Does anyone else want to weigh in on the best title for the Linearizability article? I'm fairly convinced that Linearizability is not it and I think there's a weak consensus. So far there have been only two of us involved in the discussion and this has apparently been bouncing around for years - Talk:Linearizability#linearizability_and_atomic_operation --Kvng (talk) 20:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Deletion discussion for Connectivity (computer science)

I just nominated Connectivity (computer science) for deletion. If you're interested, please participate in the discussion. --Pnm (talk) 00:11, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Another: Cohort (computer science) (Discuss) --Pnm (talk) 01:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Another: Clumping (computer science) (Discuss) --Pnm (talk) 02:22, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Another: Inversion (computer science) (Discuss) --Pnm (talk) 02:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

A PROD: Sequel (computer science) --Pnm (talk) 02:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Afd: Adaptability (computer science) and Adaptivity (computer science) (Discuss) --Pnm (talk) 03:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed move of two groups of articles

I'm posting this here because it affects so many articles and WP:RM seems unwieldy.

Proposal (1): Rename the articles below from Article (computer science) to Article (computing).

Reason: Computing is a broader topic than computer science, and these topics apply to computing broadly, not just to the study of computing. Authors who are unfamiliar with computer science will feel more comfortable editing a computing article.

Barrier (computer science)

Binding (computer science)

Branch (computer science)

Coalescing (computer science)

Concurrency (computer science)

Default (computer science)

Design pattern (computer science)

Fiber (computer science)

Field (computer science)

Function composition (computer science)

Garbage (computer science)

Garbage collection (computer science)

Instruction (computer science)

Integer (computer science)

Lock (computer science)

Macro (computer science)

Namespace (computer science)

Node (computer science)

Offset (computer science)

Overwriting (computer science)

Persistence (computer science)

Polling (computer science)

Pool (computer science)

Record (computer science)

Recursion (computer science)

Reification (computer science)

Relocation (computer science)

Replication (computer science)

Resource (computer science)

Robustness (computer science)

Scale factor (computer science)

Self-management (computer science)

Session (computer science)

Set (computer science)

Slipstream (computer science)

Swap (computer science)

Synchronization (computer science)

Thrashing (computer science)

Thread (computer science)

Value (computer science)

Proposal (2): Rename the articles below from Article (computer science) to Article (computer programming).

Reason: These topics apply to computer programming broadly, not just to the study of computing. Authors who are unfamiliar with computer science will feel more comfortable editing a computer programming article.

Action at a distance (computer science)

Aspect (computer science)

Assignment (computer science)

Blind faith (computer science)

Callback (computer science)

Class (computer science)

Closure (computer science)

Cohesion (computer science)

Concern (computer science)

Containment (computer science)

Coupling (computer science)

Covariance and contravariance (computer science)

Declaration (computer science)

Destructor (computer science)

Generator (computer science)

Hot spot (computer science)

Literal (computer science)

Marshalling (computer science)

Method (computer science)

Parameter (computer science)

Poltergeist (computer science)

Range (computer science)

Reference (computer science)

Reflection (computer science)

Side effect (computer science)

Skeleton (computer science)

Subclass (computer science)

Superclass (computer science)

Trait (computer science)

this (computer science)

--Pnm (talk) 05:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

What's basically missing here is a description of the scope of computer science as opposed to computer programming or computing. The only reasoning I can see here is that authors would feel uncomfortable editing an article with 'science' in the title and therefore you want to move anything you can to some other title. Would that be correct? In that case we have to decide

Firstly: Should we avoid titles with science in the title and try and rename current articles to something more 'friendly'.

In either case what is computer science and what would be classed as tgat as opposed to computing or computer programming?

For instance to take the first entry in each section. Why is Barrier (computer science) more general computing rather than a computer science or programming term? Why is Action at a distance (computer science) more a programming term than a computer science term? Dmcq (talk) 09:15, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Well... I clearly agree with some, disagree with some others and am fairly sure that for most one can make an as convincing argument to put it into one category as in the other. The disambiguation tag should probably correspond with the category the article is placed into. E.g. "covariance and contravariance (computer science)" is really a topic in type theory/programming language theory and should therefore probably be disambiguated with "computer science" instead of "computer programming". Similarly the "concurrency (computer science)" article is (should) mostly be about the theory of concurrency, not a list of all applications of concurrency in computing systems, and therefore be placed in computer science instead of computing. For "garbage collection (computer science)" I could probably make an equally convincing case for all three the disambiguation tags. —Ruud 19:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I think editors will be uncomfortable editing articles that they think should be academic in nature. It isn't the word science per se, but computer science's academic denotation. Though computer scientists of course study computer programming, programming is primarily a practical, non-academic topic.

• It appears that Action at a distance (computer science) – and for that matter Design pattern (computer science) – are mostly used by programmers – non-academics.
• Barrier (computer science) really is a parallel computing term, so instead of the move I originally proposed I'd support Barrier (computer science) -> Barrier (parallel computing). (Same for Thread (computer science), Thrashing (computer science), Lock (computer science), Fiber (computer science).)
• Ruud makes a good point about Concurrency (computer science). I noticed we have Concurrent computing so I no longer support moving Concurrency (computer science) to Concurrency (computing), but moving it to Theory of concurrent computing instead.
• Good point about Covariance and contravariance (computer science), too. I suggest moving to Covariant and contravariant types.
• I think Garbage collection (computing) is the best name precisely because of the arguments Ruud makes.

In response to User:Dmcq's question defining computer science, perhaps it would be helpful to propose a guideline:

1. Use (computer science) to disambiguate computing topics whose primary context is academic.
2. Use (computer programming) for topics whose primary context is computer programming.
3. Use (computing) for topics which are used widely by academics and non-academics, and aren't specific to programming or a more specific subdomain.

By analogy, consider religion and theology. The "study of religion" is broad enough to include any religion topic. But the meta-topic Schism (religion) isn't named Schism (theology) – and I think appropriately not. --Pnm (talk) 17:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I disagree with most of your reasoning and conclusions here. I'll discuss them point by point:

Most of these topics should in fact be discussed from an "academic" point of view as this really is the only point of view that is supported by reliable sources. For example, Covariance and contravariance are well known and studied topics in academic literature but this theory has only really be applied and very recent languages such as Scala. Clearly these issues have plagued Java programmers, but the issues should be discussed firstly from a theoretical point of view only later moving on the what can go wrong in particular programming languages. I do not believe the disambiguation tag "computer science" will scare away any potential contributors, but if it does I doubt they would have been fit to contribute in the first place.

• Agree, so either Design pattern (software engineering) or Design pattern (computer programming).
• I think Barrier (computer science) is fine, otherwise Barrier (concurrency) (not parallel computing!), but I'm not in favour of creating too many additional disambiguation tags.
• Again I think Concurrency (computer science) is fine, definitely not Theory of concurrent computing as this would imply we should move General relativity to Theory of general relativity.
• Perhaps, although "making an equally convincing argument" does not really imply that.

My guidelines would be:

1. Use (computer science) to disambiguate computing topics which are studied academically and mainly "abstract" concepts.
2. Use (computer programming) (and perhaps also (software engineering)) for topics whose primary context is computer programming, programming language theory and software engineering.
3. Use (computing) for anything else, which will mostly be "concrete" concepts such as particular computer programs or communication protocols etc.

If we apply your reasoning to other field you would suggest most articles from (mathematics) to (calculation), (physics) to (engineering), (philosophy) to (thinking), etc. —Ruud 19:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I removed Concurrency (computer science) and Covariance and contravariance (computer science) – and all the contentious articles except Action at a distance (computer science) -> Action at a distance (computer programming), which I think may still have a consensus to move.

Ruud, you may not have noticed that I made those changes after my last post, and I'm sorry I didn't bring your attention to it explicitly. Comparing your proposed guidelines to mine, it sounds like you would support proposal (2) as amended. Is that correct? --Pnm (talk) 01:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd be in favor of any proposal that reduces the number of parenthetical disambiguation thingies we use. It appears we have (computing), (computer science) and (computer programming). Are there others related to computing? Is it too bold to suggest that everything becomes (computing) and we let categories do the rest of the work? --Kvng (talk) 14:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Here's a sampling (see also this list):

• Atomicity (database systems)
• Join (SQL)
• Rollback (data management)
• View (database)
• Bloomfield (microprocessor)
• Calculator (Windows)
• Cat (Unix)
• Cd (command)
• Nehalem (microarchitecture)
• Android (operating system)
• Stack (data structure)
• Frame Technology (software engineering)
• IOS (Apple)
• Java (software platform)
• Java (programming language)
• Reengineering (software)
• Security service (telecommunication)
• Hacker (computer security)
• Hacker (programmer subculture)
• Hacker (hobbyist)
• Spam (electronic)
• Amaya (web browser)
• Bonjour (software)
• Mail (application)
• Nebulae (computer)
• Dropbox (service)
• 1984 (advertisement)

I strongly oppose merging them all into (computing), though I'd like to avoid parenthetical disambiguation whenever possible (per WP:NCDAB and in some cases WP:COMMONNAME). For example IOS (Apple) -> Apple iOS, Calculator (Windows) -> Windows Calculator, Mail (application) -> Apple Mail. --Pnm (talk) 17:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Disagree with reducing it to just "computing" as well. But looking at the examples you gave reducing the tags to "computing", "computer science" and "computer programming" (and possible "software engineering") might well be feasible. I believe there are quite a few articles disambiguated with "data structure", those could be placed under "computer science" but I'm not entirely sure if that would be an improvement. —Ruud 19:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Then it seems that we'll either leave titles alone or assess each individually. Developing criteria for disambiguation categories and applying them will apparently take patience. I don't feel strongly about this so I'll bow out. --Kvng (talk) 21:24, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Merging Category:Computers and Category:Computing

Please comment on the Cfm proposal at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_December_9#Category:Computers. Thanks! --Pnm (talk) 04:56, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

deletion of Category:Computing navbox templates

Category:Computing navbox templates has been requested to be deleted 64.229.101.17 (talk) 05:50, 9 December 2010 (UTC)