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First is citations, I was checking for POV when I saw, " During the 1980s, Chávez led a boycott to protest the use of toxic pesticides on grapes. Bumper stickers reading "NO GRAPES" and "UVAS NO"[11] " I check the source to see if the pesticide was really toxic. What I got was a link to a selling store with "UVAS NO" on it. This is not a site to advertise your website selling. |
First is citations, I was checking for POV when I saw, " During the 1980s, Chávez led a boycott to protest the use of toxic pesticides on grapes. Bumper stickers reading "NO GRAPES" and "UVAS NO"[11] " I check the source to see if the pesticide was really toxic. What I got was a link to a selling store with "UVAS NO" on it. This is not a site to advertise your website selling. |
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Then I noticed "The union also won passage of the California Agricultural Labor Relations Act" really "won"? A better non-pov sentence would be, " The actions of the union help passed the California Agricultural Labor Relations Act."It is like saying the activist of healthcare won the Affordable HealthCare Act. You don't "win" an Act. |
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I am considering removing this paragraph. It lacks citation and seems very POV.[[Special:Contributions/98.127.229.23|98.127.229.23]] ([[User talk:98.127.229.23|talk]]) 23:25, 8 October 2012 (UTC) |
I am considering removing this paragraph. It lacks citation and seems very POV.[[Special:Contributions/98.127.229.23|98.127.229.23]] ([[User talk:98.127.229.23|talk]]) 23:25, 8 October 2012 (UTC) |
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First is citations, I was checking for POV when I saw, " During the 1980s, Chávez led a boycott to protest the use of toxic pesticides on grapes. Bumper stickers reading "NO GRAPES" and "UVAS NO"[11] " I check the source to see if the pesticide was really toxic. What I got was a link to a selling store with "UVAS NO" on it. This is not a site to advertise your website selling.
Then I noticed "The union also won passage of the California Agricultural Labor Relations Act" really "won"? A better non-pov sentence would be, " The actions of the union help passed the California Agricultural Labor Relations Act."It is like saying the activist of healthcare won the Affordable HealthCare Act. You don't "win" an Act.
I am considering removing this paragraph. It lacks citation and seems very POV.98.127.229.23 (talk) 23:25, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Rhetorical Genius?
I won't try to edit the article because it would surely be altered, but come on. Calling this fellow a "rhetorical genius" is preposterous. This isn't a biography, but a case of worship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.149.170 (talk) 18:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
This was the first thing that hit me on reading this page. Paragraph #3 needs some work, and since I see someone else agrees, I'm going to do it. Any disagreements, please air them here.The-Postman (talk) 05:57, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Biography?
It says the Helen was his high school sweetheart, which is impossible because Cesar never went past the eighth grade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piggieprotector (talk • contribs) 16:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm shocked that there is no biography for him in this article. Just goes straight to his activism, which seems a little strange. In fact, I checked the edit history to make sure some vandal simply hadn't deleted it. Is there some (good) reason why there is no biography on this page? RobertM525 (talk) 04:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
- You're right, there definitely should be one. --N-k, 18:09, 26. November 2008 (UTC)
I am shocked that there is no reference to his accolades in Northern Ireland. The Catholics in the northern 6 counties idolize him for his efforts in protesting. There are several huge murals painted in his honor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.141.204 (talk) 22:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Text removed from an ealier version
“ | == Early times == César Chávez (named after his grandfather) was born near Yuma, Arizona on March 31 1927 to an American family of Mexican and Basque descent. His early life was difficult: among other problems, the small adobe home where Chávez was born was swindled from his family by dishonest businessmen: Chávez's father Librado had agreed to clear the home in exchange for the deed to 40 acres of land, but the agreement was broken and the land was sold to a man named Justus Jackson. The elder Chávez went to a lawyer who advised him to borrow money to buy the land, but when he could not pay the interest on the loan, the lawyer bought the land and sold it back to the original owner.
Chávez did not like school as a youth. He remembered being punished with a ruler to his knuckles for speaking Spanish. Some schools were segregated, and he frequently encountered racist remarks. He and his brother Richard attended thirty-seven schools over the course of their lives. Chávez felt that education had nothing to do with his farm worker/migrant way of life. In 1942, he graduated from the eighth grade. He could not attend high school because his father Librado had been in an accident and did not want his mother Juana to work in the fields. Instead, César became a farm worker. Chávez was arrested in 1944 for violating a "whites only" segregation rule in a movie theater. He was soon released, and then joined the US Navy. Chávez served in the Navy for a two-year enlistment during World War II aboard ship. His tour of duty included the campaigns to take Guam, Saipan, and Okinawa. In 1948 Chávez married Helen Fabela. They honeymooned in California by visiting all the California Missions from Sonoma to San Diego. They settled in Delano and started their family. They had eight children, Fernando, Sylvia, Linda, Anna, Paul, Eloise, Elizabeth and Anthony. Chávez went to San Jose where he met and was influenced by Father Donald McDonnell. They talked about farm workers and strikes. Chávez read about St. Francis, Gandhi and nonviolence. After Father McDonnell came another very influential person, Fred Ross, and Chávez became an organizer for Ross's organization, the Community Service Industrial Areas Foundation. His first task was voter registration. |
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199.200.253.9 (talk) 22:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Vegan
I put Chávez in the category "American vegans" and took him out of "American vegetarians," because he was a vegan. --N-k, 17:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I found a video of Chavez discussing animal rights and "ending the exploitation of all beings." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeXVjpaNMpk&feature=player_embedded 64.81.247.165 (talk) 00:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Activism heading
I just added a section called "Activism" to the main body of the article and transferred the information about Chavez's activism from the introduction to this section. I wasn't sure what the section should be called, but I don't think Chavez's union activities should be in the introduction. At most, a one paragraph summary would be appropriate. --Yitzhak1995 (talk) 16:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC) I love Cesar Chavez —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.162.72.18 (talk) 02:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
In 1962 Cesar founded the National Farm Workers Association, later to become the United Farm Workers - the UFW. By 1970 the UFW got grape growers to accept union contracts and had effectively organized most of that industry, at one point in time claiming 50,000 dues paying members. The reason was Cesar Chavez's tireless leadership and nonviolent tactics that included the Delano grape strike, his fasts that focused national attention on farm workers problems, and the 340-mile march from Delano to Sacramento in 1966. The farm workers and supporters carried banners with the black eagle with HUELGA (strike) and VIVA LA CAUSA (Long live our cause). The marchers wanted the state government to pass laws which would permit farm workers to organize into a union and allow collective bargaining agreements. Cesar made people aware of the struggles of farm workers for better pay and safer working conditions. He succeeded through nonviolent tactics (boycotts, pickets, and strikes). Cesar Chavez and the union sought recognition of the importance and dignity of all farm workers.
Merge from César Chávez Day
It doesn't seem like César Chávez Day will ever be more than a stub, and this article already has several mentions of the remembrance, so I think the content from César Chávez Day should be merged here. --beefyt (talk) 16:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- Support Merge as per above. Peace, rkmlai (talk) 17:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Fuck this day! its bullshit. a legal national holiday for farm workers but yet everybody has school and work except government jobs. it makes no sense. it just another damn excuse for the stupid ass government to be even cheaper. this day in my opinion is as pointless as a donkeys ass...like ester
"Jerry Gonzalez, executive director for the Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials, said he thinks Chavez’s birthday could become a federal holiday within a decade. He pointed out that President Barack Obama endorsed the idea during his run for the White House." — Preceding unsigned comment added by WemitcheASU (talk • contribs) 22:46, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Hey, how did he die?
Undisclosed causes? Just wondering... MisplacedFate1313 (talk) 15:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Cesar Estrada Chavez died peacefully in his sleep on April 23, 1993 in a small town called San Luis which is near Yuma, Arizona. This was only a short distance from the small family farm in the Gila River Valley where he was born more than 66 years before. He was found in his bed lying on his back with his head turned to the left. His shoes were off and he still wore his clothes from the day before. In his right hand was a book on Native American crafts. There was a peaceful smile on his face. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glee14ASU (talk • contribs) 22:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
March 30
Except in some schools it ic=s clebrated as a holiday on March 30! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.3.212 (talk) 00:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
whoever typed the above statemnt is immature and needs to think before they act and and post you have no idea how cyberbullying can affect people in the long run. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.106.6 (talk) 03:26, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and deleted it.--75.50.58.17 (talk) 21:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest another book that should be listed under the "Further Reading" section; Why David Sometimes Wins: Leadership, Organization, and Strategy in the California Farm Worker Movement 9780195162011. It's written by Marshall Ganz, a top field organizer for Cesar Chavez’s united Farm Workers Union and a lecturer during "Camp Obama"'s community organizing training sessions. In sum, it's an insider's account of the 1966 strike that made Cesar Chavez a national figure and gave migrant workers a better life. If you want a history of Cesar Chavez and strategic leadership, this is an important and fascinating book.
The book can be found here: [1].
I'm a new user and can't edit the page myself, so if anyone could add this book to the page I'd be very grateful! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmeskime (talk • contribs) 21:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC) on April 23, 1993 at (aged 66) San Luis, Arizona he died. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.211.21 (talk) 23:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Holiday in eight states
I don't think there's a complete listing in the article MMetro (talk) 16:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC) Born March 31, 1927(1927-03-31) Yuma, Arizona, US Died April 23, 1993 (aged 66) San Luis, Arizona Occupation Farm worker, labor leader, and civil rights activist. Parents Librado Chávez (father) Juana Estrada Chávez (mother) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.41.182.93 (talk) 02:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC) I don't really see how the above comments apply to the status of Cesar Chavez day, however, the article does not mention that the day is also recognized in Nevada, although it is not a state holiday.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/19/governor-signs-bills-drunken-driving-cesar-chavez-/
National Cesar Chavez Day is a state holiday in California and an optional holiday in 10 different states. These states include Arizona, Colorado, Texas, Michigan, Utah, Illinois, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Rhode Island and Nevada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glee14ASU (talk • contribs) 22:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
i'm fairly sure it's not a holiday in texas, as i've lived here my whole life and never knew about a cesar chavez day until a few minutes ago when i read about it on this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.74.1.96 (talk) 02:40, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
There has never been a union leader in the United States who has received or deserve a special day of recognition; because by nature, they are thugs.
Chávez has been called a "civil rights activist" because he wasn't a civil rights leader, he was just a thug union leader.
Union leaders are not "civil rights leaders" and should never be thought of as great people like Marin Luther King, Jr.
Chávez was a union organizer who worked to separate people of Mexican decent from America. He had no desire to improve the lives of Americans of Mexican heritage. He only wanted to increase the multitude of subservient class to create Mexican-Americans.
If he wanted to improve the lives of "his people", he would have addressed "his people" in how to improve their lives through education instead of attacking American farmers insisting that "his people" were inferior to the rest.
The One and Only Worldwise Dave Shaver 21:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaxdave (talk • contribs)
Pronunciation
The pronunciation of Chávez should be added since it was non-standard.
Varlaam (talk) 15:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
History of Holiday
There needs to be more on the history of the holiday, i.e.:
SB 984 made March 31st a California state holiday, beginning 2000-03-31.
Also, there is a movement (and web site) designed to make it a federal holiday. 169.237.215.179 (talk) 03:23, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Chavez schools
This can't possibly be a comprehensive list of all the schools named after him. I know there's a high school here in Phoenix, AZ. Shouldn't it just say there are many schools named after him? 68.104.175.130 (talk) 03:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
- It's up to individual editors to annotate the article with that type info and then document it as citation from a reliable source. --Morenooso (talk) 03:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
There are a total of 6 schools named after Cesar Chavez in Arizona. They are Cesar Chavez elementary, Cesar Chavez Community, Cesar Chavez High school, Cesar Chavez school, Cesar Chavez community elementary.
I know there is at least one school in California named after Mr. Chavez. He even came and visited the school and signed a poster of himself that hangs in the front office. 216.100.93.239 (talk) 16:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Here is one such school in California named after Cesar Chavez: http://ccmweb.nhusd.k12.ca.us/. It is a middle school located in Union City, CA. I would annotate the article myself as according to Morenooso, but clearly it is currently semi-protected and I can't seem to get into the edit page. Nadesri (talk) 16:27, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Brown Beret Membership
On the Brown Beret page, it says they were inspired by César Chávez. Did he really have any connection with the party if membership at all? Stuntman crow (talk) 23:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Need for edit.
Minor thing, but Chavez was not a farm worker as it says in the article. He was an organizer working on various issues for the CSO (Community Service Organization) before deciding to shift his focus to labor, specifically the plight of farm workers in the southwest. Though I admit this isn't the biggest deal, it is a potentially important distinction for individuals studying the labor movement who are looking to contrast leaders who emerge from the rank and file against professional activist labor leaders.
Need for edit
Need for edit.
Minor thing, but Chavez was not a farm worker as it says in the article. He was an organizer working on various issues for the CSO (Community Service Organization) before deciding to shift his focus to labor, specifically the plight of farm workers in the southwest. Though I admit this isn't the biggest deal, it is a potentially important distinction for individuals studying the labor movement who are looking to contrast leaders who emerge from the rank and file against professional activist labor leaders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.207.216 (talk) 07:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Pronunciation edit
I wanted to point out that I disagree with the IPA pronunciation of Chavez's name. It is showed with thetas (/th/ sounds) for the first sound of his first name and the last sound of his last name. This is how his name would be pronounced in Spain, but Chavez is from the United States and according to the pronunciation rules of Mexican Spanish his name would be pronounced with /s/ sounds instead of the /th/ sounds shown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.182.44.252 (talk) 01:02, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Sí, se puede
Sí, se puede does not mean "Yes, it is possible." As far as my education and Mexican friends say, Sí, se puede means "Yes, you can." Since it's semi-protected, I can't change it, I guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codster925 (talk • contribs)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I'm sorry, but this amounts to original research and, under our verifiability policy, it's not allowed. Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 17:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Your Mexican friends know what it means in general, my Spanish teachers who studied Medieval Latin and the origins of Spanish know what the structures mean and they agree with this article.
Blindman shady 04:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Your Mexican friends know what it means in general, my Spanish teachers who studied Medieval Latin and the origins of Spanish know what the structures mean and they agree with this article.
A little bias?
Chavez was charismatic; a self-taught rhetorical genius he created commitment by inspiring well educated Latino idealists with undiscovered organizing potential and encouraged them to offer a liberating, self-abnegating devotion to the farmworkers' movement.
This seems to be a bit biased... -- 82.51.30.198 (talk) 15:53, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
- how is it biased? It represents the consensus of the experts, who all report his charismatic inspirational impact on organizers and workers. Rjensen (talk) 20:17, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well..."self-taught rhetorical genius" is a bit over the top, as is "self-abnegating devotion", especially without any support for either of those in the article (at least, not explicitly). It sounds like a fannish pop culture article. --jpgordon::==( o ) 16:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
- how is it biased? It represents the consensus of the experts, who all report his charismatic inspirational impact on organizers and workers. Rjensen (talk) 20:17, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
If this whole article on Chavez is not biased, can the author(s) please explain how they get away by not mentioning his communist philosophy (as in Marxism). Could it be because they sympathize with Marxism themselves? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koner1958 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Catholic identity
This article needs to discuss César Chávez's Catholic background, which was at the core of his identity. This article makes no mention of it which is a huge omission and a disservice to the reader. Frostandchill (talk) 21:43, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
- That's a great idea, you should start.
Blindman shady 04:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from 159.83.252.230, 25 October 2010
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The Cesar E. Chavez Foundation (http://www.chavezfoundation.org/) lists his name as Cesar Estrada Chavez rather than the Cesar Chavez Estrada in the article. Is the difference due to Hispanic naming conventions?
159.83.252.230 (talk) 17:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Done Thanks, Stickee (talk) 03:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Cesar Chavez Holiday additions and Arizona`s Contribution to it
"It is a state holiday in California and an optional holiday in states such as Colorado and Texas but its celebrations go beyond these three states. " "The California legal holiday set into motion a wave of initiatives resulting in optional and commemorative Cesar Chavez Days in nine additional states (Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Michigan, New Mexico, Texas, Utah, Wisconsin and Rhode Island.)"
"Cesar E Chavez Building University of Arizona
The Economics Building, constructed in 1952, houses the Department of Agricultural and Resource Economics, the Mexican-American Studies and Research Center and Hispanic Student Affairs. Many disciplines utilize the classroom space in this building."
"There are 6 schools in Arizona named after Dr. Chavez."
"The legal holiday bill introduced by then State Senator Richard Polanco (Los Angeles-D) was signed into law by then Governor Gray Davis (D) on August 18, 2000. The holiday is celebrated in California on Cesar E. Chavez’s birthday March 31st. This marked the first time that a labor leader or Latino has been honored with a public legal holiday."
"The César E. Chávez Leadership Institute (CCLI) was established in 1995 by a group of ASU and community leaders seeking to inspire and motivate high school students through the life and legacy of César E. Chávez. Under the direction of Mr. Frank Hidalgo, the goal of the Institute is to develop a cadre of youth prepared for leadership that will allow students to participate fully in the civic, economic and cultural life of their community."
"The ASU César E. Chávez Leadership Institute recognizes the importance of increasing the number of Arizona youth attending institutions of higher learning and how social and economic pressures are intensified as students pursue their college education. To this end, the Institute gives high school students the means to explore their educational potential and leadership development skills." — Preceding unsigned comment added by WemitcheASU (talk • contribs) 23:04, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Fasting
Many events precipitated the fast, especially the terrible suffering of the farm workers and their children, the crushing of farm worker rights, the dangers of pesticides, and the denial of fair and free elections. Cesar Chavez completed his 36-day Fast for Life on August 21, 1988. The Reverend Jesse Jackson took up where Cesar left off, fasting on water for three days before passing on the fast to celebrities and leaders. The fast was passed to Martin Sheen, actor; the Reverend J. Lowery, President SCLC; Edward Olmos, actor; Emilio Estevez, actor; Kerry Kennedy, daughter of Robert Kennedy, Peter Chacon, legislator, Julie Carmen, actress; Danny Glover, actor; Carly Simon, singer; and Whoopi Goldberg, actress. Cesasr Chavez Fasted a total of 3 times.
Degree
In 1991, ASU West professor, Dr. José Náñez, nominated Chávez to receive an Honorary Doctorate on behalf of the University. Chávez was honored with the honorary degree and participated in commencement ceremonies in the Spring of 1992. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WemitcheASU (talk • contribs) 23:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Jesselanders, 10 January 2011
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In the first paragraph of the "Early Life" section, there is a typo:
Chávez experienced injustice early in life; his home was taken away after his father had agreed to clear eighty acres of land in exchange for the deed to the house, and agreement which was subsequently broken.
Should be changed to: Chávez experienced injustice early in life; his home was taken away after his father had agreed to clear eighty acres of land in exchange for the deed to the house, an agreement which was subsequently broken.
There is an 'AND' where there should be an 'AN' and it disrupts the flow of the narrative. Thanks! Jesselanders (talk) 19:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Immigration
last sentence of first paragraph of Immigration section: " Later during the 1980s, while Chávez was still working alongside UFW president, Dolores Huerta, the cofounder of the UFW, was key in getting the amnesty provisions into the 1986 federal immigration act.[17]"
This sentence is weird. The source says DH was instrumental in the amnesty program. This sentence seems to say that CC was instrumental, but is improper in structure... a fragment maybe, albeit a long and complicated one! I'm not sure of the precise history of it though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.111.110.137 (talk) 19:30, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
How many children?
This article and its source list Cesar and Helen as having seven children:
"where they would have seven children: Fernando, Linda, Paul, Eloise, Sylvia and Anthony"
However, only six names are listed.
Can anyone verify how many children?
Designquest10 (talk) 12:23, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from Sramatic, 26 March 2011
{{edit semi-protected}} In the very beginning of the description of César Chávez, there's a phonetic IPA spelling of his name: [ˈsesar ˈtʃaβez] The last letter, "z", should be "s" (non-voiced)... same sound in Latin American Spanish pronunciation as the "Ce" and "s" in his first name... please fix this!!! Anyone who has studied Spanish knows this... but here's a page where seseo is described: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dialects_and_varieties... and they state clearly that casa (house) and caza (hunts, 3rd person singular) are homophones. Thanks! Sramatic (talk) 04:36, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Done with this edit per this. – Ajltalk 20:23, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Militant Support
Hey It says in the intro he had a militant support for workers rights, did the author mean fervent or something like that or did he advocate violence? I can't find any mention of militarism later in the article? If not I think this should be changed as it gives, and gave me a false impression since this article is being mentioned today as a link due to Cesar CHavez day 50.80.150.100 (talk) 01:00, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
- when dealing with labor leaders "militant" does not mean violent or military--it's more a matter of taking and holding the initiative. From Webster's 3rd unabridged: "militant" = " aggressively active in a cause *militant suffragist* *militant trade unionism*" " MILITANT, complimentary [to "Aggressive"] except for suggestions of doctrinaire intractability, applies to fervent, resolute, devoted furthering of a cause *the militant suffragist nuisance— Rose Macaulay* *militant in fighting to get for workers a larger share of the national income— Time*" Rjensen (talk) 02:13, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I know that the adjective is technically correct, I was just suggesting you change it as he was non-violent and in contrast to other civil rights movement members who did advocate violence. Someone glancing through and not reading the whole article would read that passage and potentially say, oh so he was like malcom x and not mlk, whatever, click on another link. But if you feel that it is so important to use the militarism word instead of getting out webster's 3rd unabridged thesaurus, whatever... 50.80.150.100 (talk) 14:33, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Agree that "militant" needs to go. ---artdyke
Cesar Chavez
Article noted that he "married his high school sweetheart". It also states that he did not attend high school. I suggest the author check his/her facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.132.208 (talk) 19:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Meeting with Ferdinand Marcos
Should the split between Cesar Chavez and Vera Cruz be included in this article?
- Rodel Rodis (30 January 2007). "Philip Vera Cruz: Visionary Labor Leader". Inquirer. Retrieved 18 May 2011.
In one chapter of this book, Philip provides an account of his conflict with Cesar Chavez over Philippine strongman Ferdinand Marcos. This occurred in August of 1977 when Marcos extended an invitation to Chavez to visit the Philippines. The invitation was coursed through a pro-Marcos former UFW leader, Andy Imutan, who carried it to Cesar and lobbied him to visit to the Philippines.
- Shaw, Randy (2008). Beyond the fields: Cesar Chavez, the UFW, and the struggle for justice in the 21st century. Los Angeles: University of California Press. p. 253. ISBN 9780520251076. Retrieved 18 May 2011.
Further divisions emerged in August 1977 when Chavez was invitied to visit the Philippines by the country's dictator, Ferdinand Marcos. Filipino farmworkers had played a central role in launching the Delano grape strike in 1965 (see chapter 1), and Filipino activist Philip Vera Cruz had been a top union officer since 1966.
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In the fall 1977 Chris found himself embroiled in a much more public confrontation. Chavez traveled to the Philippines, a misguided effort to reach out to Filipino workers who distrusted the union. Ferdinand Marcos hosted the UFW delegation. Chavez was quoted in the Washington Post praising the dictator's regime. Human rights advocates and religious leaders protested.
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This is also what Philip Vera Cruz found when, despite his public protest, he witnessed Cesar Chavez endorsing the vicious Marcos dictatorship in the seventies.
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This is a highly notable event, and is relevant to the subject of this article.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 14:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- I have boldy added content supported by the above references, within the Activism section of the article. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 10:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from Thelinguini, 4 July 2011
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The article currently reads:
In a failed attempt to reach out to Filipino American farmworkers, Chávez meet with then-President of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos in Manila.
It should read: In a failed attempt to reach out to Filipino American farmworkers, Chávez met with then-President of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos in Manila.
Thelinguini (talk) 18:26, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Done Thanks for the catch. Jnorton7558 (talk) 22:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Siblings
"César Estrada Chávez was born on March 31, 1927 in Yuma, Arizona, in a Mexican-American family of six children. He had two brothers, Richard (1929-2011) and Librado, and two sisters, Rita and Vicki."
This needs to be corrected. If he had two brothers and two sisters then that would make five children including himself, not six. If there were six children one is yet to be accounted for. If there were only five children then this needs to be changed. Burbridge92 (talk) 14:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Children
The article says he had seven kids but lists only six (error appears in a source too). Another source in the article says there were eight kids. ??? This needs resolved. PumpkinSky talk 02:56, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
The article is fatally slanted
Was this entry copied and pasted from the UFW Web site? Why is there nothing in here even remotely critical of Chavez? The man was a megalomaniacal autocrat, an apologist for brutal dictator Ferdinand Marcos, and a dupe of the Synanon cult. To name a few of the less savory things about him. See Miriam Pawel, The Union of Their Dreams: Power, Hope, and Struggle in Cesar Chavez's Farm Worker Movement (Bloomsbury Press 2009).
68.83.233.82 (talk) 07:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Because most Wikipedia articles are left-leaning and censorship of the facts is the easiest way to prevent people from learning the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.166.47.145 (talk) 08:43, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, history has shown that facts have a left-leaning bias. MoralMoney (talk) 05:50, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Requested move
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The result of the move request was: page moved per common usage and subject's own usage. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- Non-diacritic version is far more common, and is used by Cesar Chavez foundation OttomanJackson (talk) 01:53, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- I contest diacritic adds/removals to article title names. there have been several recent moves (or failed RMs) due to a lack of consensus on which names should have or not have diacritical marks. An RfC is needed to straighten this out.- UtherSRG (talk) 02:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Comment RfCs are not the way that proposed moves are "straighten out" -- That is what WP:RM contested moves process is for. -- PBS (talk) 08:29, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Comment it seems a strange comment from UtherSRG considering he just closed a diacritic RfM with a lack of consensus and moved the page anyway. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:55, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - Between the foundation, common usage and calendars it seems the logical choice. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:55, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose – Unless there are sources that he dropped the diacritics, they should be kept as this was the actual spelling, and per Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined by reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources. HandsomeFella (talk) 20:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support
Oppose per MOS:PN (section 4: diacritics); Cesar Chavez is a common spelling of convenience used in English-language sources, but César Chávez is more appropriate for encyclopedic style because the subject did not redefine himself as Cesar Chavez. Doremo (talk) 13:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)I've found his signature here and here, indicating that he himself did not use the diacritic. Doremo (talk) 19:02, 31 March 2012 (UTC) Commentborn Yuma, Arizona, died San Luis, Arizona in an era when Spanish accents were not added to birth certificates etc. What is needed here is some examination of WP:CONSISTENCY, for example how category:American people of Mexican descent works, and how this relates to first language for example in English source César Chávez and la causa Dan La Botz - 2006 "... to move consumers, and they needed leaflets, pamphlets, and posters to present those arguments. Chavez and ... Many of these workers were rural people with little education, their first language Spanish and their English often ..." In ictu oculi (talk) 07:31, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support and also Cesar Chavez Day - An American citizen signing his name without diacritics is sufficient. There's no rule that says we have to pay the same respect to BDPs as BLPs but if he had signed "Chávez" I believe it should be respected. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:40, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
- Support. Neither guideline quoted above has anything to do with the issue of diacritics in titles. The appropriate standard can be found in WP:DIACRITIC: "Follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language." Amazon's top two serious Chavez biographies are The Fight in the Fields and Cesar Chavez: Autobiography of La Causa. Neither one gives his name with a diacritic. The subject's life is preposterously well-documented. See here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here for additional diacritic-free bios, all published in the last 10 years. Kauffner (talk) 17:03, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Support and also Cesar Chavez Day and the same for any other articles with his name Far more common according to Ngrams. the Cesar Chavez foundation uses it, and that is how he signed it. OttomanJackson (talk) 20:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- Support. The subject was born, lived, and died in the USA and is notable for activities there, where diacritics are frequently dropped. In this case, as evidence provided above shows, the subject appears not to have used diacritics and sources don't either. — AjaxSmack 01:15, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Discussion
Can the interested parties please produce evidence of usage in reliable English language sources so that an informed decision can be made. -- PBS (talk) 08:29, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- note - whichever way this goes doesn't it seem logical that it should also apply to the article César Chávez Day? Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. I think that Christopher Columbus and Carolus Linnaeus, for example, have things named after them that then take on a life of their own, and may be spelled differently. The Carnegie legacies in the United States are usually pronounced with the accent on the first syllable, even though his name was pronounced with the accent on the second. I dunno, maybe there are better examples... Although I'd probably say that the day should only have the accents if the man does. ENeville (talk) 02:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Comment Britannica doesn't use diacritics for this name. They would certainly put them on if it was clear that they really belonged. Kauffner (talk) 19:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Two sections refer to a number of children, 6 and 7, then give 5 and 6 names respectively. Also, some of the removed text elsewhere says 8 children, and gives 8 names... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.118.128.41 (talk) 18:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
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