User talk:Bobak

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DYK for First Baptist Church (Bakersfield, California)

Thanks for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 03:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bakersfield California Building

Thank you for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 10:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ault Store

Hello! Your submission of Ault Store at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Um... we're not done yet. Please come back to the DYK page to discuss. --Orlady (talk) 03:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Justia

I have mixed feelings Justia and linking in general. I like that Justia has a lot of decisions and is free, but I don't like the ads or the formatting and I don't know if its reliable or will be there tomorrow. If we were talking about Canadian law, the choice to link to canlii would be obvious (or its counterpart in most other common law countries), but I don't think Justia or any other site (findlaw, Cornell, GoogleScholar, supremecourt.gov, etc.) is that good for US opinions. I've been talking to some of my more techni-capable friends about the possibility of doing something like what Wikipedia currently does for ISBNs; that would at least give people a choice between these options. However, as things stand, I see only marginal value in linking to any of these sites in footnotes. Given that I don't think any of the sites I mentioned are that compatible with the values of Wikipedia, I don't like the idea of propping them up with ad revenue through my or anyone else's labor (with the exception of Cornell, but they don't have any old decisions). I am more supportive of linking to these in infoboxes and external links sections than in footnotes. I do acknowledge that legal citations aren't the most accessible thing in the world to non-lawyers, and remain open to ways to improve this, but I'm not ready to external link to any of the aforementioned sites in footnotes as of yet. Savidan 04:38, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

And, by the way, I don't like west/lexis either. I think the "keycite" is worthless. The only useful features they have are automatically generating links and their version of the "what links here" feature (which they don't even do that well for older cases), plus the ability to search within jurisdictions. My hope is that a free site will emerge with these features soon, and without ads---after all, the decisions are in the public domain. Sure, the integration with secondary sources and the manually generated negative history feature (which again, isn't that good) would be hard for a free site, but I for one could do without these. However, I'm don't provide west/lexis specific citations (except for unreported decisions). Readers could theoretically take reporter citations and plug them into the free, proprietary, or hard-copy source of their choice. Savidan 04:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, the infobox links are automatically generated. The fact that the infobox can create these links with only the U.S. Reports cite give me hope that what I've described above is possible. Savidan 05:20, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jackie (dog)

Materialscientist (talk) 06:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Great to see you at the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary Meet-up

Hi, Bobak,

I'm glad you took the time with DW to visit the meet-up yesterday. I was fascinated to hear about the amusement park. I've been near that lake, to visit friends, but didn't realize that there was something like that farther west than Excelsior from the Twin Cities. I've been finding new sources to add to the source lists I keep in my user space to help wikipedians source articles on the more controversial topics where I usually edit. Bopping by articles on your contributions list will always be a good way for me to have a change of pace. Keep up the good work. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 21:35, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! It was great to see you again and I'm really happy I was able to make it out --even for a bit. Spending time looking at NRHP listings has occasionally revealed some fascinating, if not semi-forgotten historical quirks from around the state, definitely join us on those projects whenever you feel like it! :-) --Bobak (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Winter Saloon

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:09, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Edward T. Archibald House

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:04, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors

I saw the quality of your contributions at DYK and clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 03:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

You could ask Sage to limit the number of mentees you get until you actually figure out how much time you have free during the semester. Even if you do one or two, the help would be greatly appreciated (we are looking at 500+ students this semester), Sadads (talk) 03:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ault Store

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

McCants Stewart

I have reviewed your article for DYK and have also made a few minor amendments. Two comments: unfortunately, the link to the Broussard book only goes to the first page of the article, as it appears to need a subscription. Should this be mentioned in the reference? Secondly, an article on the father would be an interesting addition to Wikipedia. Best wishes. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed the father was quite interesting; I think he'll be my next bio article when I get around to it (there are plenty of materials about him online). I forgot about the JSTOR article having the sub requirement, I just accessed it through the University of Minnesota Library System but I forget that I'm an adjunct so it let's me pass-through. I'll throw a mention in the ref --a surprising number of academic institutions offer free access to JSTOR, and given the numbers of college students on Wikipedia, I'll go ahead and include a mention/link of that too. --Bobak (talk) 17:05, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for McCants Stewart

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bridge No. L-5573

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Grand Hotel (New Ulm, Minnesota)

Hello! Your submission of Grand Hotel (New Ulm, Minnesota) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! . Thanks, Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 08:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for New Ulm Oil Company Service Station

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Grand Hotel (New Ulm, Minnesota)

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit War

Hi. Can you pleas have a look at here? Regards, --Verman1 (talk) 17:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Help requested on deleted images

Bobak, Next time you stop by SHPO I would like to talk to you about this issue. It is quite madding to go through all the work on my end here at MHS and then have someone delete them over a year later with no debate. VernoWhitney also attempted to delete more images on Wikimedia Commons but it looks like he didn't understand copyright law fully before be attempted to delete them. I am hope you might either have ideas or provide some insight on this.
Myotus (talk) 14:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi Joe, I'll try to come in this week --I apologize for the delay. This sort of thing irks me as well. --Bobak (talk) 05:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Alt names

Where they belong is not really a big deal to me, rather how they got deleted without discussion is puzzling. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:25, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

AFD Discussion

FYI: There is an AFD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Directional Michigan (3rd nomination) you may be interested in. You participated in previous discussions on the topic, so I am sending you a notification.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Happy Birthday and First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day, Bobak, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Logan Talk Contributions 01:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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Survey for new page patrollers

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New NRHP listing in Olmsted County, MN

Hi Bobak ... Since you've contributed a number of photos to National Register of Historic Places listings in Olmsted County, Minnesota, I thought you might want to be aware that a new listing was announced today ... the Bernike Family Barn at 5209 Co. Rd. 21 NE., Farmington Township. If you're in the neighborhood, it would be nice to keep that list complete with photos. Thanks for your efforts! --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:59, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The Aguinaldo and delegates Picture

Hi Bobak,

The picture you posted of Aguinaldo and delegates in the Philippine revolution appears to be one taken much much later. Firstly, Mr. Aguinaldo appears to be older than he was in his 1898 and 1899 pictures. Likewise, the fashion of the people around him appear to be worn in the height of the American colonization of the Philippines. Unless the persons in the picture with Mr. Aguinaldo can be identified to be members of the 1898-1899 Malolos Constitutional Convention, I do not think it was taken during the Philippine revolution (note lastly that the place does not look like Barasoain church where there are existing pictures of the convention).

Just my two cents worth,

A.M.R. Gonzalez — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.55.181.229 (talk) 11:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, the information I added to that caption/photo when I uploaded it would've been from the source it was taken from --I tend to upload public domain photos from a variety of sources when they have historical interest. --Bobak (talk) 07:50, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear Bobak,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
• All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 15:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon at Hennepin County Library

Minneapolis History edit-a-thon

The Minnesota Wikipedia community and local historians are invited to edit entries in Wikipedia on Minneapolis history. Please help increase the depth of information on Minneapolis history topics by utilizing materials in the Minneapolis Collection. Find your own Minneapolis History topics to edit or work from a list developed by Special Collections Librarians.

Where: Minneapolis Central Library, 300 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis
When: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 10-5 pm
10 am - 11 am Orientation to Minneapolis Collection
11 am - 5 pm Edit-a-thon
Website: Hennepin County Library, Special Collections, Map & Directions
Parking: Metered street parking or pay ramp in basement, enter on 4th Ave

For more information see Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Minnesota#2012. —innotata 00:20, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

	Happy Adminship	from the Birthday Committee
	Wishing Bobak a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! -- Ramesh Ramaiah talk 14:11, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Great American Wiknic

In the area? You're invited to the Great American Wiknic.

Place: near Minnehaha Falls at Minnehaha Park, Minneapolis
Date: Saturday, July 7, 2012 (rain date July 8)
Time: 12–3 pm

• Accessible from the Minnehaha Park light rail station, bus, walk, bike, or car
• If driving, free parking available at 46th Ave. S, and pay parking in the park
• Food and drink options nearby, or bring your own... maybe even to share!

See the meetup talk page for more. —innotata 23:55, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#use of upload-assisting pic in NRHP lists

Could you comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National_Register of Historic Places#use of upload-assisting pic in NRHP lists?

This is regarding a key part of the upcoming WLM-US photo contest. Smallbones (talk) 12:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Sports soon

Coming soon, - a good time to polish article and blurb, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

w00t! --Bobak (talk) 17:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Los Angeles Athletic Club

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Removing Speedy at Los Angeles Athletic Club

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Arabic

Hi, Bobak! Do you speak Arabic? If so, would you mind adding an Arabic description to File:2011-0209-Dubai-MOE-Pinkberry.jpg? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 18:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed response: I don't speak Arabic, unfortunately. --Bobak (talk) 15:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Thanks for the feedback :) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves Libraries event

In the area? You are invited to Wikipedia Loves Libraries in Minneapolis.

Hennepin County Library's Special Collections is hosting a Minneapolis history editathon on November 3. Help increase the depth of information on Minneapolis history topics by using materials in the Minneapolis Collection. Find your own topics to edit or work from a list developed by Special Collections librarians.

There will also be an intro for people new to Wikipedia, and tours of Special Collections.

Where: Minneapolis Central Library, 300 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis
Special Collections (4th floor)
When: 10am-4:30pm, Saturday, November 3, 2012

For more info and to sign up (not required), see the meetup talk page. —innotata 13:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

File:Beijing smog comparison August 2005.png

Hi! I'm thinking of posting it on the request board to have someone make a Mandarin description, but at File:Beijing smog comparison August 2005.png is it usual to have a first person description? I think it may be better to have a shorter description written in the third person, like "Two photos taken in the same location in Beijing in August 2005. The photograph on the left was taken after it had rained for two days. The right photograph shows smog covering Beijing in what would otherwise be a sunny day." - The licensing info can be moved to a separate template that can be applied to all of your pictures.

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 20:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

That's fine with me. I actually changed it to a first person perspective because early on people were saying the caption was backwards and would alter it. I finally made it clear that, "no, as the photographer that's what happened". --Bobak (talk) 22:49, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Cool beans! For an example of a user license template see Commons:User:raboe001/licence WhisperToMe (talk) 01:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Requesting protection of several Notre Dame football pages

Hi Bobak, I am requesting protection for the 2012 Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team and for Notre Dame Fighting Irish football through the 2013 BCS title game, on Jan 7, 2013. I am already starting to see reverted edits by registered editors on these pages and I think to make all our lives easier it would be prudent to protect these pages, given the magnitude of Alabama and Notre Dame for the national title and the media circus that is sure to ensue. Thanks! Tedmoseby (talk) 03:16, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Khaled Holmes headshot

You should've not reverted my changes to File:2012-1103-USC-HolmesKhaled.jpg. The current format of the image stretches the infobox content too far to the bottom. Landscape format (with a picture just including the person's face) looks much better (see e.g. Vince Wilfork, or Everson Griffen). --bender235 (talk) 17:15, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Create a new, cropped image, don't destroy the original. That's not my license. It's free to adapt the work (and plenty have with my thousands of other photos), but not by replacing the original. --Bobak (talk)

Okay. But the original was not destroyed. It was still there, in the version history. --bender235 (talk) 14:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry if I came off harsh. I just tend to find some of my images totally changed and I occasionally get into it with commercial websites that use my images without citation (a photo I took of the LA Coliseum surprises me for how popular it was... the Pac-12 even used it in their teaser commercial). Here's an example of a photo of mine on Commons that other users have chopped up for other photos but kept them listed as "derivative works" linked in the original. --Bobak (talk) 14:57, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Is that okay? --bender235 (talk) 16:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks! I went ahead and connected the two through their license tag "other versions". --Bobak (talk) 14:45, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	I wanted to take a moment to tell you how awesome you are for all the work you do on Shahs of Sunset‎. Recollected 23:55, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

A very pleasant surprise, thanks! --Bobak (talk) 00:56, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of McGraw-Hill Construction

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Nothing like Wikipedia users who prefer to tear down borderline line photos rather than build them up. It must make them feel like bigger human beings than they are in real life. --Bobak (talk) 14:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of List of papabili in the 2013 papal conclave for deletion

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Kindly observe the following

In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it is done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus (WP:CAN) . - The general notice written on your talk page did not include any reference, tone or words that could be interpreted as trying to influence the outcome of a discussion towards one side of a debate.

After desperately trying to get balanced discussion going an extremely difficult situation arised i.e. stalemate. A possible precedent may have been set in regards to media journalism and media speculation as the predominant source. We needed as many sharp pencils as we had in the box i.e. editors-administrators with experience to solve the policy & guideline conundrum. It was simply a plee for help in getting Wikipedia heads together solving a problem concering alleged speculation and contested sources. I am sorry you took the message for something else. The post on the Talk Page was forthright, simply and neutral without breaking any clear WP guideline. I'm sorry some editors jumped so fast to other more sinister conclusions. Let's just assume the good faith in the future. --JamboQueen (talk) 20:39, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Please don't misquote policy and Wikilawyer me. I'm both an admin on Wikipedia and a real life lawyer. Please stop this ridiculous behavior. --Bobak (talk) 20:46, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm not misquoting policy. My post on the talk page did in any sense of the word violate WP:CAN policy. You have taken a quite unWikpedian tone with me and I think in all of this the burden of proof lies with the accuser.

PS

I kindly thank you for presenting me your most assuring jurisprudential credentials. Unfortunately my old world understated peculiarity made me withheld my very same academic background from your astute awareness. Shall we simply assume good faith and leave the unfortunate misunderstanding to it's proper resting place. --JamboQueen (talk) 15:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC)