Talk:Queen Letizia of Spain

Not yet married

Wait a minute. Jiang has now change the page to start with Her Royal Highness, The Princess of Asturias, but she's not princess yet as the wedding is in May. Let us not write history before it actually is history... This should be change back! --Vikingstad 08:49, Mar 22, 2004 (UTC)

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née

I used "née" because I don't imagine "Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano" is her full name anymore. Wouldn't it be, if anything, "Letizia Ortiz de Borbón y Grecia"? - Montréalais 16:29, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

No. See Diana, Princess of Wales. --Cantus 20:42, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

What does Diana have to do with Letizia? The Spanish naming system and the British naming system are rather different. Letizia was born Ortiz y Rocasolano, daughter of Jesus Ortiz y Alvarez del Valle and Maria Paloma Rocasolano y Rodriguez. Her maiden name (apellido de soltera) was "Letizia Ortiz y Rocasolano". A woman's married name, her apellido de casada, consists of her forename, her father's first surname, and her husband's first surname appended with a de: on marriage to a "Borbón y Grecia" she became "Letizia Ortiz de Borbón" - Nunh-huh 21:06, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

That's an old style tradition, no longer in practical use. As long as I know, legally women in Spain never lost their surnames after wedding and this is the convention used nowadays. ManuelGR 21:45, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

in spain, the womans never change their surnames,always is the first father surname and the first mother surname

Exactly, in Spain women do never change their name. The above mentioned form of "de" followed by the husband's name is now old-fashioned but anyway was never legal. It was only a way of calling yourself but women never changed their name legally. Therefore she has never been called Letizia Guerrero. Do please change that as it is a serious error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.147.17.60 (talk) 17:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Strange Redirect

Why does Alonso Guerrero y Pérez, her first husband, redirect to this page? --67.71.78.193 1 July 2005 19:28 (UTC)

Erika Ortiz Rocasolano

There is a lot of important information in that article. I think it is, but User:Andromeda apparently thinks not. I don't want to start a revert war about this, because I think that as it stands, the article has sufficient information. So what if she's the sister of the Crown Princess of Spain. I think her death, and the circumstances around it is notable enough to warrant her own article. Morhange 06:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I am afraid that I have to agree with Andromeda. Érika Ortiz Rocasolano is not a notable enough person to have her own biography. Nobody should be able to imagine an article about her before her death. Er Komandante 20:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC) PS: it seems that wikinews in english doesn't have an article about her death, maybe there it should be acceptable. Er Komandante 20:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Then maybe a subarticle from Letizia to Erika? I agree with Morhange, and I think the issue should have been at least debated before taking any action. Her death made her internationally (not locally) notable -so what's the problem? Is that against any policy? I'm not that fussed either way, but I think a subarticle would work for everyone. Raystorm 22:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Birth after Death

It seems the dates are off. It says she gave birth in April 2007, but died on Feb 7, 2007. I don't believe that's possible.Irishpisces 18:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Princess Letizia gave birth in April, her sister, Érika Ortiz Rocasolano, died in February. -- Arwel (talk) 21:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Letizia Ortiz Coat of Arms.jpg

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1st husband

Was her first husband her high-school teacher? --Error 00:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Name Letizia during her first marriage

Letizia was married from 1998-1999 with Alonso Guerrero y Pérez, a previous teacher of hers. What are the naming conventions for a married woman in Spain, and how was she named and styled then? Something like Mrs. Letizia Guerrero-Ortiz?? Demophon (talk) 13:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

• See Spanish naming customs. Simply put: Spanish women do not take their husbands names upon marriage. Even after marrying the Prince of Asturias, her official name remained Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.11.65 (talk) 22:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Fluff in article

It seems to me this article needs improving substantially, but I dont know enough about the subject to tackle it myself. It does seem to contain a lot of "fluff" though, and a trivia section that (IMHO) doesnt even rate as trivia!....Should it be marked for a cleanup? Jcuk (talk) 10:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Fast & the Furious

I was directed to the page about the "Fast & the Furious" series when looking for this page (typing in "Leticia Ortiz"; note the spelling difference). I don't think there are any direct link paths from one page to the other. How would one go about correcting this? I am unfamiliar with the process of making a disambiguation page, and I don't know whether it would be useful or appropriate in this case. Tha Pyngwyn (talk) 14:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed. You need to click the "redirected from" link at the target article you were directed to, then edit that page to make it point to the correct page. See the edits here and here. Hope you can do it yourself next time! --Waldir ^talk 01:24, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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Honours and styles

Detailed info about honours and styles moved to List of titles and honours of Letizia, Princess of Asturias.--Galico (talk) 18:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

Letizia of Spain → Queen Letizia of Spain – As per naming customs for queen consorts (WP:CONSORTS) this article should be a Queen Letizia of Spain, as is the case with other current queen consorts, ie Queen Mathilde of Belgium, Queen Máxima of the Netherlands, Queen Sonja of Norway, etc. Also, note that her mother-in-law's article was at Queen Sofía of Spain while she was a queen consort. Morhange (talk) 22:16, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

• Support Entirely non-controversial. Seven Letters 22:17, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
• Support Requested move is in line with similar cases. Gugganij (talk) 22:18, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
• Support-I didn't know there was a difference between consorts and royals when moving. Origamite^{\(·_·\)(/·_·)/} 22:21, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
• Support Also change the infor box to Queen consort of Spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.129.220 (talk) 22:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
• Support as this is the standard on Wikipedia, for queen consorts. GoodDay (talk) 22:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
• Support To match format of other queens consort. Current format would be for a queen regnant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metheglyn (talk • contribs)
• Support per above,--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 23:10, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose per old argument on Talk:Queen_Sonja_of_Norway#Requested move. Short version: yes, the RM is correct within Wikipedia's current guidelines for royalty, but said guidelines are totally crazy in this instance. No entity but Wikipedia distinguishes regnal queens from queens consort by using "Queen" only for the consorts. SnowFire (talk) 23:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Obviously a completely symbolic opposition, like SnowFire's, given the support provided without regard to mere logic. "Queen Letizia of Spain" and "King Felipe VI of Spain" looks and sounds silly, as if Letizia's regal position is more important than Felipe's and so the article about her uses her title while his does not use his title. Even worse when comparing "Queen Letizia of Spain", a woman who is queen due to her marriage, and "Juliana of the Netherlands", a woman who was queen as head of state; a reader could logically only assume the opposite judging by article titles. Surtsicna (talk) 15:43, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Comment One wold assume that probably because there is no distinction between monarchs who are the first of their name and listed without regnal numbers and deceased consorts. We ran into this issue with the recent Belgian and Dutch kings, but personally, to me it's quite obvious when looking between Felipe VI of Spain and Queen Letizia of Spain which is the monarch. Morhange (talk) 19:27, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
• Support standardization of format. --Article editor (talk) 02:48, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
• Support Is uniform with all other current Queen Consorts in Europe (ie, Silvia, Sonja, Máxima and Mathilde). 04:00, 19 June 2014 (UTC)JasonBux
• Support To keep consistency with other consorts articles.--Hipposcrashed (talk) 17:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
• Support per other queen consorts. Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 23:05, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Arms

I expect that Letizia's arms will need updating, now that she is Queen consort rather than Princes of Asturias? P M C 22:20, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Photo dates

She seems to be wearing the exact same dress in both photos, so I doubt one was taken in 2010 and the other 2011... -- AnonMoos (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

The first is just a crop of the second, so I'm changing the date. Origamite^{\(·_·\)(/·_·)/} 14:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Do we need two versions of the same image at all? AlexTiefling (talk) 21:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Current name of the article is incorrect

The name of Queen Letizia has not changed from Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano to Letizia of Spain, as queens do not change their surnames in Spain. At the official biography of the Spanish Royal House, her name appears as "Her Majesty the Queen, Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano". http://www.casareal.es/ES/FamiliaReal/ReinaLetizia/Paginas/princesa_biografia.aspx Therefore, the correct title should be, either "Queen Letizia", "Letizia, Queen of Spain", "Letizia, Queen consort of Spain" or just "Letizia Ortiz". But not "Letizia of Spain". 193.175.73.201 (talk) 09:41, 20 June 2014 (UTC)