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There appears to be a serious spelling error in the hook and article for [[Bangalore Nagarathnamma]], which claims she was a "consort artist". Unsure what exactly what this term means, I investigated further. The supporting source, [http://books.google.com/books?id=KvNR1V6hKJAC&pg=PR17 available here], uses the term "concert artist" while both the article and hook employ a different term despite the use of quote marks highlighting the words. --''[[User: Allen3|Allen3]]''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Allen3|talk]]</sup> 16:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
There appears to be a serious spelling error in the hook and article for [[Bangalore Nagarathnamma]], which claims she was a "consort artist". Unsure what exactly what this term means, I investigated further. The supporting source, [http://books.google.com/books?id=KvNR1V6hKJAC&pg=PR17 available here], uses the term "concert artist" while both the article and hook employ a different term despite the use of quote marks highlighting the words. --''[[User: Allen3|Allen3]]''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Allen3|talk]]</sup> 16:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:I've double checked what you've said, and agreed, so I changed the article and the hook to "concert". To be honest, I dislike the entire wording of the hook, and don't like the use of so many quotes on the main page without attribution, but that is just my own opinion. [[User:Harrias|<b style="color:#00cc33">Harrias</b>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Harrias|<span style="color:#009900">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:I've double checked what you've said, and agreed, so I changed the article and the hook to "concert". To be honest, I dislike the entire wording of the hook, and don't like the use of so many quotes on the main page without attribution, but that is just my own opinion. [[User:Harrias|<b style="color:#00cc33">Harrias</b>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Harrias|<span style="color:#009900">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
::There's a lot wrong here, since we're on the subject. The article says that something or someone "catapulted her into a concert artist" in Madras, and I think most readers will want to know whether any injuries resulted from this unorthodox encounter. Beyond that, the claim that she was the "first female artist to pay income tax" needs to be qualified -- is this worldwide, or just India, and whose claim is this? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng|talk]]) 22:09, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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This is where the Did you know section on the main page, its policies and the featured items can be discussed. Proposals for changing how Did You Know works were being discussed at Wikipedia:Did you know/2011 reform proposals.

Two DYK?

Is it possible that two unrelated DYK is nominated by the same user simultaneously. Please {{ping}} me when replied, thanks.--FrankBoy (Buzz) 21:34, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, did you remember to ping FrB.TG? EEng (talk) 01:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn't forget, I thought if you have a question you should be interested enough to watch the page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:21, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, unless the person specifically asks you to ping... EEng (talk) 12:07, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting article on an early Trans person in colonial Jamestowne (possible DYK for LGBT history)

Hello, I've been on Wikipedia for 7 years, and edited extensively, but the rigamorale of the DYK process baffles me so I don't ever even attempt to work with it. That said, I ran across an article while reviewing for AFC (where I've reviewed thousands of articles in the last few years), and one that was so unusual I was sure it was a hoax until I checked GoogleBooks and found serious academic mention.

The new article Thomas(ine) Hall covers a person in Colonial Virginia's Jamestowne who's entire gender identity was a matter of legal and social dispute. Really interesting article showing the longevity of Trans issues in the US. I'm not formally submitting this for DYK since the process seems so arcane, but mentioning this in case anyone finds it worth nominating. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think the DYK nomination process is now simpler than it used to be. In any event, I will nominate the article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Meh, you still have to do two things to make it work, and one of them is trivially easy to do wrong or simply forget. I find it particularly amusing that the instructions for step two appear on the page for step one, but disappear when you complete page one. The process should, and could, be far more automated. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:30, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's hope for the world after all

It's all too easy to dismiss the planet as being filled with a bunch of sex crazed 15-seconders, but once in a while you see hopeful signs otherwise. How else to interpret the fact that some boring article on an obscure radar system got more hits than one with an image of one of the world's most famous hotties? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to pour cold water on your optimism, but apparently many more people directly clicked through to the hottie instead of the company she worked for. The world is still hopeless, after all. :) -Zanhe (talk) 23:48, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh noes! Back to building the fallout shelter then. And speaking of, everyone should take a good look at the chart on page 13 of this uplifting little tome. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:50, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Browser wars

@Astro interest:, @Jakob:, @HalfGig: Prep 4 currently says "Did you know ... that Thomas Reardon invented Internet Explorer?" I didn't, and I don't think Eric Sink, long time blogger and former Spyglass, Inc. developer who could (and, indeed, has) lay claim to have written the software that turned up as IE 1.0 ([1]) does either. And it seems the source used just says Reardon was the program manager for IE 3.0, some way down the line. Should we pull this hook, or can people think of an alternative? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It says he was on the original development. I think the hook is ok but I also don't object anyone else changing it. HalfGig talk 22:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The term "program manager" means something very specific here - it's Microsoft jargon for somebody who writes the functional specification and guides the long-term direction of a product. That doesn't really correspond with the layman's view of what "inventing" something is. And when I know and can verify a counter-claim for somebody else "inventing" it, things become a big cloudy. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:29, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The source says that Reardon was the one person development team behind IE. I took that to mean that he was the one who invented it. --Jakob (talk) 22:50, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I also feel it has a quirky nature without being false. HalfGig talk 23:21, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The hook should be pulled immediately. Saying anyone "invented" IE is simply wrong. Microsoft licensed the code of the Mosaic browser in 1995, and developed IE based on the Mosaic technology. See the Mosaic article and Windows IT Pro. Reardon is merely the first Microsoft programmer, later program manager, to work on the project. -Zanhe (talk) 23:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Look on the bright side. Six months ago nonsense like this was getting on MP several times a week. EEng (talk) 12:12, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Zahne already pulled it. It was in prep 4 so that needs a new hook now. HalfGig talk 14:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. This is a claim I have seen from some sources (and IE3.0 was very different from IE1.0 or IE2.0). However, I would not object to changing the hook to something like:
This is directly corroborated by the MIT Tech Review source. Astro interest (talk) 16:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Astro interest, your ALT hook sounds fine, as is EEng's suggestion. Please add it to the nomination page. -Zanhe (talk) 23:44, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've pulled this from the prep area, as the hook fact didn't appear at all in the article. Both the editor who approved the article, and the editor who promoted it to the prep area should have picked this up, it's a pretty fundamental flaw. Harrias talk 21:59, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A bit of <bleep>ing swearing on the front page

I'm a little bit concerned about Template:Did you know nominations/Fuck It, We'll Do It Live? It's not the first time a nomination with this opening word has happened, and this time round, it's been accepted under the DYK criteria, although not queued yet. While procedure has been followed correctly, I have this nasty feeling, possibly with Jimbo's last Wikimania speech in the back of my mind, that putting "Fuck" on the front page will not go down well. What do others think? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:59, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

... and let's not forget the "Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties" part ;) - We have an article on bollocks. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comma in Q6

Now in Queue 6, I see a comma missing behind Cardiff (hook 3), and don't understand the one after Jesus in the quirky, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:49, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've altered the wording in hook 3 slightly so that it reads better (in my opinion anyway), and removed the comma in the final hook. Harrias talk 21:50, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question on timing

I've typically stayed away from DYK for various reasons but dived in with a recent article. As someone new to it, I still can't figure out how the timing works. A recent article is clear for DYK (2014 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final) and it is hard to see if it is going through the process or if I need to click a couple extra buttons or something. No big deal in the grand scheme of things but I imagine others would be frustrated (I'm secretly hoping it is delayed a couple weeks for the net round of the wikicup).Cptnono (talk) 05:37, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment, it is approved, but waiting for promotion to a prep area. I would be surprised if it lasts as long as two weeks, more likely it will be selected in the next few days, and run later this week. Harrias talk 08:19, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Harrias: Template:Did you know nominations/Sessue Hayakawa: Silent Cinema and Transnational Stardom was approved on 11 January but hasn't been promoted to any prep area.--Skr15081997 (talk) 15:20, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Harrias! Does this question come up sometimes? If so it might be worth putting a note somewhere. There is a lot of information and I poked around without finding anything. Of course, I could have completely missed it and will feel silly once I realize it.Cptnono (talk) 19:12, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Top Totty DYK

I've just been told that Top Totty has been moved into the prep areas. This is wrong as it is an april fools day hook and was in the april fools day area and shouldn't be running now. Can someone please remove it from the prep areas and put it back for april fools day? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 23:12, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Or at least wait for Easter. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:14, 25 January 2015 (UTC) [reply]
Never mind, I have reverted and put it back into the AFD holding area myself. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 23:35, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think you mean DYK. :) G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 23:57, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, AFD is short for April Fools Day. There's a separate nominations page for that day. --Jakob (talk) 00:00, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can Wikipedia just delete a whole day like that?! Scandalous. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:22, 26 January 2015 (UTC) [reply]
Stop writing so small, I can barely hear you. Harrias talk 01:38, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers

I've compiled a new set of the 36 oldest nominations that need reviewing. The first section has those 3 that have been waiting over a month, and the remaining 33 have been waiting for a shorter period than that.

At the moment, 102 nominations are approved, leaving 222 of 324 nominations still needing approval. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially those nominations that have been waiting the longest.

Over one month:

Also needing review:

Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:29, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 4 needs a new lead hook

The image is not used in the article String Quartets, Op. 50 (Haydn) as per DYK rule, and is of a person quite tangential to the topic. Need to either move it to a non-lead slot or use the image of Haydn, which is used in the article. -Zanhe (talk) 10:41, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the hook to the second slot of Prep 5. Someone can pick a new lead hook from the dozens currently approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:27, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored the hook to the lead position after the image was added to the article and an explanation was left on my talk page. -Zanhe (talk) 00:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just mentioning something which is quite tangential to this topic ... that previously existing image in the article is not Haydn, but King Frederick William II of Prussia. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing it out. The caption of the image was a bit misleading; I've changed it. -Zanhe (talk) 03:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Prep areas

Do you have to be an administrator to move hooks to the prep areas? I'd be happy to lend a hand, but am not an administrator. MeegsC (talk) 17:10, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, building sets in the prep areas can be done by anyone. Harrias talk 19:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
MeegsC, it's great that you want to do this. You'll want to read over the WP:DYKSG#Rules of thumb for preparing updates and T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook for useful information on the process. Also, be sure to check the approved nomination to be sure the reviewer didn't miss anything important, and the hook facts check out as being in the article and in the inline cited sources. For example, we've had two lead hooks lately where the image in the nomination wasn't in the article; only images from the article are eligible, and they must be free. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 6 lead hook

Sorry, I have somehow managed to overlook for the last few weeks that the hook for Dog Island Lighthouse has lost a bit of its hookiness. What happened was that a newish reviewer edited the hook, instead of providing an Alt hook. I then provided the original hook as Alt1 and gave an explanation why I thought that was a better hook. This was agreed, but then Alt1 got crossed out, and not the original hook; instead, the original hook was further reworded. My mistake for not spotting this; it happened some weeks ago. Can I please request that somebody swaps it over to Alt1; there's no difference in hook fact behind any of the variations. I could do it myself, but thought it better to request somebody else to do it: Schwede66 02:15, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to change the hook, the nomination should go back to the nomination area, since the first hook fact ("marine engineer for New Zealand") doesn't appear in all the articles. Do you want me to return it to the nom area? Yoninah (talk) 10:08, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In principle I would support that, but that would give me the chance to sneak Jaywick and its picture to the top on the same prep set, so I'll stay out of the way of this and leave it up to the rest of you. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoninah: No. We had the discussion in the nomination already ("Question to anybody here - do all the hook facts need to be confirmed in all three articles? I'm asking because Balfour's drowning has nothing to do with Dog Island or its lighthouse, so it would be totally out of place in those articles.") and you yourself responded: "I have since seen other editors waive this requirement, especially for multiple hooks such as this, where the facts don't fit into every article." So why do you want to relitigate this now? Or do you feel that the drowning doesn't have to be mentioned in all three articles, but the fact that he was a marine engineer should be stated? Schwede66 18:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Past practice has only required a hook fact to be present in one article for multi-article hooks. See Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 94#Hook-fact in multi-hooks for a past discussion on this concern. --Allen3 talk 19:15, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think the marine engineer part should be stated in the other articles, or else readers will be looking all over the place trying to figure out who's the marine engineer. That title could easily be added to his name in Dog Island Lighthouse and Dog Island, New Zealand, and then I'm fine with ALT1. Yoninah (talk) 23:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Never mind, I added the title and cited it in the other 2 articles, and replaced the hook in Prep 6 before it gets promoted to the queue. Yoninah (talk) 23:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, team! Schwede66 00:15, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My DYK Hook

One of my hooks that I nominated was accepted and asked to be moved into the queue. It was never moved and I was wondering the reasoning behind this. The hook I nominated is here Template:Did you know nominations/Broadway Limited. Eurodyne (talk) 01:50, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We currently have a large backlog of approved hooks—88 at the moment, which is lower than in recent days. Given that we use only 14 approved hooks per day, it will take a while before all of them will be promoted, and it's fairly random what the order will be, including future approvals. Sometimes it's quick, sometimes it's quite slow. Please be patient; it will be promoted. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @Eurodyne: there's no reason. No one has gotten around to promoting it yet. At the moment all the prep areas are full. It will probably be promoted soon, once the preps need to be filled again. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 02:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So it won't grow stale? Eurodyne (talk) 02:26, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurodyne: I had the same worry on my first DYK, but no, it won't. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 02:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What we really need is for an administrator to move things from prep into the queue; that's been the holdup of late. MeegsC (talk) 16:17, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurodyne: I've promoted your hook to Prep 6. -Zanhe (talk) 21:16, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 6

"... that email letters about Angelina Jolie and mentioning films set in the pre-civil rights era to President Obama are among leaked confidential data belonging to Sony Pictures Entertainment?" I couldn't understand it without reading the article. Does the email about Angelina Jolie also mention films? (No, it isn't the same email, and it doesn't just mention films, it's about mentioning films.) Does it mean Obama in his youth before civil rights? If I'm not the only person who had that problem, you could add a few words, but it's already the longest hook. Or you could remove a phrase somewhere. Art LaPella (talk) 07:01, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bangalore Nagarathnamma in Queue 4

There appears to be a serious spelling error in the hook and article for Bangalore Nagarathnamma, which claims she was a "consort artist". Unsure what exactly what this term means, I investigated further. The supporting source, available here, uses the term "concert artist" while both the article and hook employ a different term despite the use of quote marks highlighting the words. --Allen3 talk 16:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've double checked what you've said, and agreed, so I changed the article and the hook to "concert". To be honest, I dislike the entire wording of the hook, and don't like the use of so many quotes on the main page without attribution, but that is just my own opinion. Harrias talk 21:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There's a lot wrong here, since we're on the subject. The article says that something or someone "catapulted her into a concert artist" in Madras, and I think most readers will want to know whether any injuries resulted from this unorthodox encounter. Beyond that, the claim that she was the "first female artist to pay income tax" needs to be qualified -- is this worldwide, or just India, and whose claim is this? EEng (talk) 22:09, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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