Talk:Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film)

References to use

Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.

• Wright, Terri Martin (1997). "Romancing the Tale: Walt Disney's Adaptation of the Grimm's Snow White". Journal of Popular Film and Television. 25 (3). {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
• Nesbet, Anne (1997). "Inanimations: Snow White and Ivan the Terrible". Film Quarterly. 50 (4). {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

Links: Film Reference, UC Berkeley Library, Film Literature Index

Plot

The plot summary needs work. Snow White does not start "a new life" with the Dwarfs as she is with them (alive) for only a day at most. Second, the entire sequence where the Dwarfs entertain her with a song and dance and then she returns the favor by singing to them is left out. From this scene and others, it is obvious Snow White and the dwarfs are now friends and that instead of her merely cooking and cleaning for them, she is a friend and companion. Also, the Dwarfs don't let her stay merely because she can cook, expect for Grumpy, they all really wanted her to stay from the start, the fact she can cook was merely the final tipping point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.57.121 (talk) 05:50, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Tomato Tomoto

Umm...do you know what similarties "Gone With the Wind," "Casablanca," "The Sound of Music," and "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves," have in common aside of them all being classic movies? They don't have a Rotton Tomato or Metacritic score recorded in them! I mean am I missing something here? I mean is it because there old movies because both "Citizen Kane," and "The Wizard of Oz," have there scores recorded and there about as old as a movie can get...So why doesn't "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves," have a score in them? I think that people who read this article would be very interested about how contemporary critics rated this movie. I don't know I'm just saying it's an idea.-James Pandora Adams —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.164.245 (talk) 21:17, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Link needs fixing

In the "Crew" paragraph of the "Cast and Crew" section, see the line headed "Animators:" (The last line in the paragraph).

The hyperlink "Cy Young" links to the article about the baseball player. It should link to "Cy Young(animator)".

Correct link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cy_Young_(animator)

Done Jnorton7558 (talk) 18:08, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Would it be worth noteing

That the 7 dwarfs were feat. as an easter egg in Fallout Newvegas dlc Old World Blues? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poohman0 (talk • contribs) 02:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Not in this article. Powers ^T 12:28, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Succession of Snow White movie.

Did the 1937 film fail or succeeded? What it a hit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.204.103 (talk) 13:09, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Have you perhaps read Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film)#Critical reception? Powers ^T 14:43, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Disney Fact:Disney won one normal sized Oscar and seven smaller Oscars for the production of Snow White And the Seven Dwarfs

Candidate for anniversary collaboration

Hello, the film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film) is one of the candidates for WikiProject Film's anniversary collaboration. Please see the discussion about the collaboration here. Feel free to support this candidate, the other candidates, or even nominate other films as candidates for the anniversary collaboration. Erik (talk | contribs) 17:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Is it "Mirror, mirror" or "Magic mirror"?

This article quotes the famous query as "Magic mirror on the wall, who is the fairest one of all?" However, I've heard it quoted (more commonly, in fact) as "Mirror, mirror on the wall..."

Which is correct? (Somewhat surprisingly, being such a famous quote [or misquote] from a famous film, this topic isn't mentioned in the article. I haven't seen the movie myself, so I don't know the answer.)

(Also, while I'm at it....I've heard the last three words quoted, in about equal amounts, as "one of all" and "of them all". Again, which is correct?) Captain Quirk (talk) 03:44, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

"Mirror, Mirror" is a Star Trek episode. "Magic mirror" is the correct quotation from this film. As for the latter question, q:Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film) says it's "one of all", but I don't know how to prove it. =) Powers ^T 22:13, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Gremlins

Shouldn't Gremlins be mentioned in the other media section seeing as how they were watching this movie? EgyptKEW9 15:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)EgyptKEW9EgyptKEW9 15:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EgyptKEW9 (talk • contribs)

While that's fun trivia, it's nothing more than trivia. -- Zanimum (talk) 23:49, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Trivia is still mentioned in articles EgyptKEW9 20:09, 20 December 2012 (UTC)EgyptKEW9EgyptKEW9 20:09, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

'Trivia', like beauty, is ALWAYS in the eye of the beholder. Wiki-policy is 'all over the map', as usual, depending on who 'oversees' which entries -- i have seen countless references to 'cameos' of film characters/films 'appearing' in other entries on films/TV, and every article that has an (in) 'Other Media' section is 'trivia' in every sense of the word, unless there is some profound effect of the topic at hand, which is very hard to argue, BUT is there BECAUSE it can be 'cited', while first-hand source material can not, against all common sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.245.171 (talk) 09:19, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Zanimum (talk · contribs) 22:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so to start, there's lots of new {{fact}} tags, in addition to earlier ones and one asking for clarification. All of these existed as of when you nominated the article, which qualifies as a "quickfail". That said, I'm wanting to see this article through to GA status. Please start to clean things up. -- Zanimum (talk) 23:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your guidance on this. I'm not a major contributor to the article but felt, like you, that this should be GA or better and wanted to do what was needed to get it there. Thanks for taking the time to review it. I'll be working on these changes over the coming week (a bit slower than usual given the holidays). Lemurbaby (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Lead

• Walt Disney Animated Classics series has a ref on it. Down in Home media, you only discuss the WD Masterpiece Collection. Everything in the lead should be in the article, and there shouldn't be refs in the lead. Really, the title is rather dubious to have in the lead at all, just a modern marketing title.

• I moved the ref and that content into the body of the article. Lemurbaby (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks. -- Zanimum (talk) 22:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

• The second paragraph is a little too focused on modern honours for the film. Why aren't either the honourary Oscar or “most successful sound film of all time” mentioned? I personally feel that those are more important, the AFI rankings could be summarized into.

I've tried to make this a bit more balanced between contemporary and modern achievements, but leads are always difficult to pin down. Betty Logan (talk) 03:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Plot

• Solid, but should there not be a citation of the film itself? Or of Grant's Encyclopedia? Plots need citations.

• Sorry, realizing this article hasn't cited Grant at all, it was the other Disney article I reviewed. I've added a citation, as indeed most if not all details are repeated in that publication (even though it likely wasn't actually the source for any of the contributors.) -- Zanimum (talk) 22:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Plots for fiction works do not need to be sourced, since the work itself serves as the source. See WP:FILMPLOT. Betty Logan (talk) 02:38, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Design

• First para needs cleanup.

• Edited. Lemurbaby (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

• That works. -- Zanimum (talk) 22:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Cinematic influences

• Break the 106 word sentence up. Please.

• Done. Lemurbaby (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

• Merci. -- Zanimum (talk) 22:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Rereleases

• What's 4K resolution? 4 megapixels? 4000 pixels high? There's an extremely direct solution to this.

• Hint, it involves square brackets. -- Zanimum (talk) 22:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

• I didn't write this part, so I'm actually not certain what that editor was intending. If you think you know, would you add the brackets? Thanks in advance. :) Lemurbaby (talk) 18:26, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

• We have an article about 4K. -- Zanimum (talk) 20:49, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

• Top money makers of all time, as of when? How much money, adjusted?

Don't know how much of this has been addressed, but it's now clear in the article it became the highest grossing sound film. I don't think there is much point giving an adjusted amount because this keeps changing as ticket prices go up. We would have to change it every few months, whereas the rank has been the same since The Exorcist reissue overtook it in 2000. I've added a link in to our own adjusted chart on Wikipedia, so readers can click on that and get the figure. Betty Logan (talk) 03:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Critical reception

• You need to discuss what the heck these AFI lists are. I know, I loved these lists, but they'd be lost on someone who didn't see the programs at the time.
• There really should be some brief mention of AFI's methodology, the fact it was an industry vote, was it not?

• To address both these points, I've added a short paragraph explaining the significance and methodology of the AFI. Lemurbaby (talk) 18:26, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

References

• Refs 6 and 7 are the same. Merge, please! (This is only one edition of the book, the other being devoted Aladdin.)

• I'm going to give the refs an overhaul here in the next few days. Lemurbaby (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all the above changes, a very good start! -- Zanimum (talk) 16:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

• Hope to get this done in the next few days... Fingers crossed, as there's a bit of polishing to do. Thanks for your comments and patience! Lemurbaby (talk) 18:26, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Eagerly awaiting the final few fixes, so that this can be promoted... hopefully you'll get a chance early in January, if nothing else! -- Zanimum (talk) 20:00, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the delays - I'm traveling the next few days and will be home over the weekend to work on this and hopefully finish up. Lemurbaby (talk) 20:25, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Zanimum (talk) 14:53, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Hooray, I think between the four of us (Lemurbaby, Betty Logan, Sjones23, and myself) we've got this article on solid ground now. I'm adding mention of some of the 1994 and 2012 publications strictly about the movie, and promoting. -- Zanimum (talk) 19:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Unprotecting

I've unprotected this article, which was on "semi". It was protected way back in 2008, by a user that stopped editing Wikipedia in 2010. He cites another user that had a redlink user page. Lets see if we can trust the masses again, and rely on some of the great automated vandalism prevention methods developed since then. -- Zanimum (talk) 19:51, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Very good. However, this page is a target of the banned user Bambifan101 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). See also WP:Long-term abuse/Bambifan101. It was previously protected because of BF101. Should we implement Recent changes if necessary? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:57, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Bambifan is back on the scene as well, it seems: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bambifan101, so keep your eyes peeled. Betty Logan (talk) 03:37, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Bleck. That is long term. -- Zanimum (talk) 19:09, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Or... maybe that recent SPI report was inconclusive. Either way, be on the lookout for Bambifan101. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:04, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request

There is no mention of Walt Disney wanting to make a possible sequel to the film, entitled Snow White Returns that he abandoned or about the archived storyboards found in the "Disney Vault" when the Diamond Edition was released. Sources: The Diamond Edition release of Snow White, both Blu-ray and DVD releases. & Yahoo! it says: Two deleted scenes from the film that may have been repurposed for a sequel that never materialized can be seen in "Snow White Returns" or on their own.

If you have specific text you would like added to the article, please place it here. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 18:29, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Signature Collection

Disney released Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs on Digital HD today, and they will release it on Blu-ray on February 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLennyGriffinFan1994 (talk • contribs) 23:33, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

First feature-length animated film?

The question of what the first feature-length animated film was has never been resolved. The Fleischers apparently did a long silent film on Einstein's theory of relativity, but this wouldn't count, as it (presumably) wasn't a "narrative" film. Does anyone know? WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 13:11, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

• There were many animated features before Snow White. (See the wiki article on History of Animation.) However, SW is the first animated feature with sound, in color, and with an extensive audience. --Janke | Talk 13:57, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

For a chronological list, see List of animated feature films before 1940. According to the articles about the films and their completion and/or release, the order is:

• El Apóstol (1917). 1st feature-length animated film.
• Sin dejar rastros (1918). 2nd.
• The Adventures of Prince Achmed (1926). 3rd.
• Peludópolis (1931). 4th.
• The New Gulliver (1935). 5th.
• The Adventures of Pinocchio (1936). 6th.
• The Tale of the Fox (April, 1937).7th.
• Academy Award Review of Walt Disney Cartoons (May, 1937). 8th.
• The Seven Ravens (December 2, 1937). 9th.
• Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (December 21, 1931). 10th.
• Gulliver's Travels (1939). 11th.

Not exactly "many" in number. Most of these films were not cel-animated, unlike Snow White. Dimadick (talk) 21:50, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2016

[Paste of the entire article snipped. —User:Trivialist]

2602:306:33C5:1860:BD94:DBA4:7CCC:DF3C (talk) 21:42, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Trivialist (talk) 22:50, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

The magic mirror and its role

One must wonder about the magic mirror its powers its role. Where did queen Grimhilde get it from, and if someone gave it to her - who and with what intent? It has with reason been said that it just is not true that the sweet teen Snow white should be more fair than the queen. Also: can one at all speak of Anyone Objectively the most fair of all? Does the mirror pursue some agenda of its own - or of someone else? Of Greatest interest in the matter is that Grimhilde seems to have all but abdicated her role as regent. Then who does rule the kingdom? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.130.31.203 (talk) 09:09, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM.ZarhanFastfire (talk) 01:20, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

WW

When it says it Adjusted for inflation, it is one of the top ten performers at the North American box office should it also be added Highest-grossing films adjusted for inflation worldwide and the top aminted film of all time.82.38.157.176 (talk) 10:52, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2017

Cast: Snow White was essentially a composite of four women. Adriana Caselotti was the voice of Snow White. Marge Champion did the dance modeling for Snow White. Regarding her looks, Snow White was modeled after two actresses, Janet Gaynor and Hedy Lamarr. Linda Strassberger (talk) 16:15, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 18:22, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Appearance in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit"

Admittedly … it's a "blink and you'll miss it " or "if you don't watch it in widescreen" moment … but , when Eddie Valiant first arrives in Toontown , in the lower right hand corner of the screen , The Witch / Evil Queen is seen taking an apple from a fruit bin and Snow White hurries her into the grocery store. The Seven Dwarfs are also seen coming out of the subway entrance.75.104.163.77 (talk) 19:22, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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Box office in infobox

I have reverted this edit by Trekphiler where he replaced the lifetime box-office with the original theatrical gross. I think it is important not to make presumptions about what editors expect to find. If you look at most box-office trackers such as Box Office Mojo, The Numbers and Boxoffice.com in all cases the lifetime gross is presented as the primary figure (although all three tracker lack complete overseas data). In this spirit if you look at other film articles—such as Star Wars, James Bond and other Dsiney releases—you will see the lifetime total is the figure presented in the infobox, and I personally think it is the correct approach.

The original theatrical box-office should go in the XXXX in film articles where the articles relates to a particular release window. The 1937 in film article doesn't log box-office, but you can see a more recent example of this at Titanic (1997 film) which has the lifetime box-office in the infobox and the original gross at 1997 in film. Betty Logan (talk) 03:17, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Nice theory, except all too many of the "year in film" pages also use the lifetime figure... I happen to think putting the lifetime amount in the infobox is a stupid practise, but I won't argue it here, because the problem isn't limited to this page. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 04:29, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

The practise is standard, and not just limited to Wikipedia. Films like Snow White and Gone with the Wind have had long shelf lives and the bulk of their revenues came after the first release, so I don't see how it is useful to the reader to ignore the bulk of their income. Betty Logan (talk) 06:15, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

First feature length cel animation

Does Lotte Reiniger's 65-minute 1926 animation "The Adventures of Prince Achmed" predate the claim that Snow White "is the first full-length cel animated feature film"? --Iantresman (talk) 15:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

• No, Prince Achmed was made by stop-motion shooting of paper silhouettes. --Janke | Talk 16:41, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Apparently not. Reiniger used an entirely different technique: "manipulated cutouts made from cardboard and thin sheets of lead under a camera." Dimadick (talk) 16:45, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

• Sounds reasonable. --Iantresman (talk) 18:08, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2018

In this sentence in the third paragraph of Plot, "Snow White awakes to find the dwarfs at her bedside and introduces herself, and all of the dwarfs eventually welcome her into their home after they she offers to clean and cook for them. Snow White keeps house for the dwarfs while they mine for jewels during the day, and at night they all sing, play music and dance.", delete they in bold because it doesn't make sense why it's there. 2601:183:101:58D0:11D1:CFC6:1538:3819 (talk) 10:53, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done - thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 11:46, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

smuggled into the Soviet Union

I read somewhere that the movie was smuggled into the Soviet Union right at the end of WWII. If you see a Soviet made version of "The Snow Maiden" the drawings (especially the witch) look very similar to those in Snow White.