Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics, government, and law

The following discussions are requested to have community-wide attention:

Talk:Campus sexual assault

This RFC concerns a dispute over how to frame the research on campus sexual assault.

1. Academic surveys of sexual assault generally report a far higher rate of sexual assault than the rate reported by the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). Should the article give more weight to the NCVS, equal weight to the NCVS, or less weight to the NCVS, relative to the higher estimate found in academic sources as a whole.
2. A number of non-academic critics (such as Christina Hoff Sommers, or Stuart Taylor Jr.) have argued the research on campus sexual assault is methodologically flawed. Should the views of these non-academic critics be given equal weight to the academic views, or should non-academic criticisms be treated as a minority or fringe viewpoint? Nblund ^talk 16:29, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Copyright infringement

Requesting someone who has a good understanding of 17th century English and copywriter guilds to verify whether the article's content really reflects what the source material is saying. 20:11, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:William Barr

Attorney General William Barr's article contains a section entitled "Mueller investigation and report", which concerns his handling of the Mueller Report. Should the following quote by Robert Mueller regarding William Barr's handling of the report be included in that section: "The Attorney General preferred to make that — preferred to make the entire report public all at once, and we appreciate that the Attorney General made the report largely public. And I certainly do not question the Attorney General’s good faith in that decision." Cosmic Sans (talk) 19:15, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests

Rfc on including or excluding Junius Ho in the infobox of this article , especially |leadfigures2= or other field as a suspect. Matthew hk (talk) 19:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:The Australian

Should we write in the infobox that the political position of the Australian is Centre-right to right wing? See above discussion for more context.--SharabSalam (talk) 20:17, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:List of terrorist incidents

Should the WP:LISTCRITERIA for all "List of terrorist incidents in ..." lists be:

1. The incident is notable (has a stand-alone article), and
2. The consensus of WP:RSes describe the incident as "terrorism"

RfC posted 17:36, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Greta Thunberg

I just removed this section as at least one of the sources (Pravy prostor) used was weak (to put it charitably) and in my POV any BLP article requires high quality sources for any controversial content (which plainly worded inclusion of that insult certainly is). Your opinion? Pavlor (talk) 12:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Draft talk:2024 United States presidential election

I'd like to begin by saying that I don't know If I've categorized this correctly. Second, roughly a day ago I asked on this talk page when we should move this to article space. I received only a single opinion. So my question is...When do we make this an article? Now? After the 2020 primaries? After the 2020 election? After a major candidate declares? Some other time? Squeeps10 01:28, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:List of common misconceptions

Was a consensus discussion improperly closed? 75.191.40.148 (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Meghan Murphy

Meghan Murphy is a radical feminist known for their opposition to transgender rights and their ban from Twitter for "hateful speech" directed at trans women. Due to extensive manipulation, including that the original text was created from Meghan Murphy's own published profile by a contributor who has been blocked for disrupting transgender related articles, and while blocked has continued to manipulate the article content and discussions using sockpuppets, I propose that the article is now rebuilt. This is being raised as an RfC to gain a wider consensus, partly because local discussions have been significantly manipulated by confirmed sockpuppetry.

The proposal is to replace with a non controversial stub, based on only independent BLP compliant reliable sources. As a community we can then gradually add sources and material one at a time, ensuring that there is a balance of material in line with policy and documented consensus on controversial topics.

Thanks --Fæ (talk) 09:04, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:White genocide conspiracy theory

Should the introductory paragraph state that the conspiracy theory blames the alleged plot on Jews alone (as in [1]), or should it describe Muslims and other races as also blamed (as per e.g. [2])? 09:07, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:2019 Dayton shooting

Should the article include a list of dead victims' names? El_C 23:44, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:2019 El Paso shooting

Should the article include a list of dead victims' names? El_C 23:42, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

Is Bellingcat a reliable source? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:46, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)

Should countries and other territorial articles (Example?) contain "road maps" with borders outline of the areas in question with links to the Crowd sourced OpenStreetMap (WP:UGC)? These maps seem [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Maps_Terms_of_Use endorsed by the Wikimedia foundation - however are not editable by the Wikipedia community directly to correct errors and original research problems. Secondly should we lead our readers to an external website in the lead of territorial articles WP:ELNO? --Moxy 🍁 14:00, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Abortion

Does the sentence "It is safer than carrying a pregnancy to term, which has a 14 times higher risk of death in the United States" in the article's lead constitute a breach of WP:NPOV and WP:IMPARTIAL specifically? Brandmeister^talk 08:23, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:People's Mujahedin of Iran

Should the MEK's current principles be included in the lede?:

The MEK currently espouses the principles of a "democratic, tolerant and anti-fundamentalist Islam" and non-nuclear Iran with gender equality and a ban on capital punishment.

Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 17:12, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Southern strategy

is the suburban strategy notable enough to carry the WP:WEIGHT required for inclusion in the lead? DN (talk) 03:33, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Great Famine of 1876–1878

Should the article include the following text under the heading “Scholarly debate”—

’’Some scholars hold that the famine was the product of Malthusian and laissez faire economic policies instituted by British officials, particularly Lord Lytton. In his book Late Victorian Holocausts, Mike Davis called the famine a "colonial genocide" perpetrated by Great Britain. Some, including Niall Ferguson, dispute this judgement, while others, including Adam Jones, affirm it.

GPRamirez5 (talk) 22:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Immigration and crime in Germany

What do you think should be done with the whole section "By Region"?Deb (talk) 14:06, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests

I am prepared to change the section title Censorship into Censorship and propaganda. However, "propaganda" may be suggestive because it is often used as derogatory term which may discredit Chinese media’s every report are totally propagation. The reason why I change the title is for presenting current changes (such as Sina Weibo allows the topic appear but must maintain an official view) Should we change the title or not, or we have better choices?Mariogoods (talk) 22:14, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Sukavich Rangsitpol

1: Should the article mention his involvement in a scandal over the purchase of overpriced computers, and that he was later cleared by a court?

2a: Should the article mention his position on a ban of homosexual and transgender students from teacher training institutes?

2b: Should the article, in the context of 2a, contain the quote: "homosexuals are no different to drug addicts who need treatment. ... I do not want these people to be role models for children"? RfC relisted by Cunard (talk) at 00:19, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Kirkland & Ellis

Should the lead paragraph(s) mention clients by name, and include lists, or statistics?

• China Fishery: not shown as noteworthy to the firm (though it may be, unknown); development of the item started in the lead (several versions); name first added to a list in body of the article 7-26-19
• Jeffrey Epstein: like China Fishery, subject is noted in one sentence in the body of the article and that content is mimicked in the lead; not shown as a primary client of firm
• Lists: specific revenue, profits, numbers of lawyers, and other statistics, as listed in body of article. Lindenfall (talk) 18:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Israel Shamir

Should we include claims by Shamir that he was a paratrooper and worked for the BBC and Haaretz, which originate from his personal website? Avaya1 (talk) 21:08, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Françafrique

Survey on lead sentence between an Option A and an Option B. 2-year-old debate between 2 editors, initially triggered by a condensation of the lead sentence (Option A) in May 2017 by User:Danielkueh which I believed left the sentence ambiguous and inaccurate as to Françafrique's actual meaning. SUM1 (talk) 13:13, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Greta Thunberg

• Deutsche Welle asserts: "Greta was finally diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, her younger sister Beata turned out to have an attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)".
• The New Yorker asserts: "both Greta and her younger sister, Beata, have been diagnosed with autism, A.D.H.D., and other conditions."

Wikisaurus choosed to believe in Deutsche Welle. But I suppose that others reliable sources support The New Yorker's version:

1. The Guardian asserts that Greta has obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) and selective mutism;
2. Greta said: "I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrom, OCD and selective mutism".

What other editors think about it? Раммон (talk) 16:49, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Suicide of Leelah Alcorn

Should the Alcorn's parents section of this article include the following passage, or should the passage be removed?

Writing for the United Kingdom-based website Spiked, the columnist Brendan O'Neill stated that those harassing Alcorn's parents represented "a new breed of illiberal liberal" who were intolerant of anyone holding conservative views on social issues. He compared their tactics with those of the Westboro Baptist Church, for both "view harassment of the bereaved as a legitimate form of politics".

References

– Arms & Hearts (talk) 16:40, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Rachel Campos-Duffy

Which version of the lede do you prefer?: Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Fascism

In an effort to stop going around in circles, let's try to clarify where everyone stands on the various possibilities. I believe that all of the below descriptors have support from reliable sources. I have not included any mention of not being on the right at all, because I do not believe there is a reliable source to support that possibility. If someone wants to vote that way, they must provide a bona fide reliable source to support their vote, or it will be struck.

Here are the choices:

• A. right wing
• B. far right (wing)
• C. extreme right (wing)
• D. radical right (wing)

Please bold your favored descriptor in your answer. If you can live with a number of these choices, please list them in your order of preference - we'll do a simple statistical analysis of the results.

This is a survey, it's not intended to be threaded discussion -- we've had plenty of that above. Let's just try and see what people's preferences are. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Abby Martin

Should the lede describe her involvement in the 9/11 Truther movement? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 10:04, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Alt-right

What should the opening sentence of the lede look like:

Option A: The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a loosely connected far-right, white nationalist movement based in the United States.

Option B: The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a loosely connected far-right, white supremacist, white nationalist, white separatist, anti-immigration and sometimes antisemitic movement based in the United States.

The former has been in place for several months; it was expanded to the latter in the past few days beginning 10 days ago. There is some Talk Page dispute as to what is best. Further input would be appreciated. Midnightblueowl (talk) 08:59, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Ilhan Omar

Which of the following should be in the article between She described Trump's action as a "U.S. backed coup" to "install a far right opposition". and Omar added that the U.S. should not "hand pick" foreign leaders and should support "Mexico, Uruguay & the Vatican's efforts to facilitate a peaceful dialogue."? wumbolo ^^^ 12:19, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Antifa (United States)

The purpose of this RfC is to gain consensus for adding a new section titled Antifa activism for the purpose of creating and maintaining a timeline of notable antifa events, demonstrations, riots and various other forms of anti-fascist activities. Antifa supporters are recognizable by their black bloc attire, the targets they choose and/or their ideological behavior which does not rule out violence. They are also referred to as anti-fascists, or they could be individuals who act out and identify as antifascist but are not connected to a specific antifa group. Following is an example of a timeline with notable dates of past events involving antifa. Each date will include a description of the event per cited RS, and will closely adhere to WP:PAG. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 04:06, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Antisemitism in the UK Labour Party

Should we include the content about the claims made by former staff in the recent Panorama programme and the 64 peers' letter (advertisement) to Labour? See the second paragraph in the "Claims by former Labour staff" section here and also the "Criticism of party from Labour peers" section in that same version. Furthermore, if the claims by the former staff are included, should they be covered in the lede? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 18:39, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:United States involvement in regime change

I propose to add text to the article concerning Venezuela (1998-present). GPRamirez5 (talk) 00:05, 1 July 2019 (UTC)