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October 6

US 'K' branded campsite in the 1960s

Although I'm English, I lived in the States in the 1960s as a kid and did a lot of road trips with my family and a camper trailer, staying in various campsites. There was one large chain of campsites, I think, called something like Kodak campsites or Kodiak campsites (neither of these return any hits), or a name beginning with the letter 'K'. Sorry this is very vague, but can anyone help with identifying the chain? I've had no luck with an online search and it's really bugging me. There might have been a big 'K' sign outside the campsite too (we're talking a trip from Washington DC to the West Coast, so it could have been anywhere in between). I looked up Howard Johnson ice cream parlors too, as that was another big part of my US childhood, and found that the company had stopped doing ice cream in the 1970s or something; the 'K' campsites might possibly be defunct too. Ericoides (talk) 12:04, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

When in the 1960s? Could you be thinking of Kampgrounds of America/KOA? According to that article, it was founded in 1962, decided to expand to more grounds in 1963 and had 262 campgrounds by the end of the 1969 camping season. Nil Einne (talk) 13:40, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

1968, 1969. Yes, that's a really good shout, thanks, and it might be it. Doesn't look familiar, however; I was sure it was a word like "Kodak", but I was only 5 and 6 at the time. Ericoides (talk) 14:31, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Come to think of it, KOA does have three of the five letters of KODAK... (PS I'd have had a sharp word with whoever decided on using a K for Kampground.) Ericoides (talk) 14:35, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Has An Article On Everything!: see Sensational spelling. Alansplodge (talk) 14:44, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm obviously looking in the wrong place then for How not to make you campsite look like an affiliate of the Klan. Ericoides (talk) 16:21, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's not spelled KKKampground. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:26, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Evidently not K Camp either. 2606:A000:1126:28D:68A0:D82D:EF5B:865F (talk) 16:38, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nor does it need to be, it's a special k. The Klan's not called the KKKlan. Camping, boy scouts, Baden-Powell, the British Empire, jumpers for goalposts, the Wandervogel, the Hitler Youth, Kamping. Ericoides (talk) 16:51, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Who ever said the word Kampground somehow implied Klan involvement? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:54, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. An extraneous K is perfectly kosher. SinisterLefty (talk) 20:58, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So Alan was right; we do have an article on everything, or at least a subsection. I think I was reminded of Amerika in its Yippie use, although our article claims that this was a reference to the German/Nazi spelling and not the Klan, although I'd have imagined that these two things were easily elided. Ericoides (talk) 06:42, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

People who spell Afrika with a K, to make it less Eurocentric or something, had a problem when they also wanted to use the Yippie spelling Amerika with a very different significance. They resolved it with Amerikkka. — Btw, elided means omitted. —Tamfang (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, Tamfang, elided also means joined together or merged. Ericoides (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Urgh. Okay, I see that someone somewhere misunderstood why French l'eau is called elision, and extended the metaphor. I would urge avoiding that extension for clarity's sake; it shouldn't be hard to invent a sentence in which the two senses lead to opposite meanings. —Tamfang (talk) 17:20, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And today I learned that the <small> tag affects indentations! —Tamfang (talk) 18:32, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And today I am learning how to write in an even smaller font! JIP | Talk 11:32, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I always had another unfortunate associate with KOA, mine being KIA. This was before it was known as a car company in the US, or I might have confused a KOA portage with a Kia Sportage. SinisterLefty (talk) 20:11, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe that's why Kia Motors omits the crossbar from the "A" in their logo. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:27, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So the A turns into capital λ (L) so it spells KIL. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:38, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kia have got previous in this regard. I recall they decided not to sell the Kia Provo in the UK. Ericoides (talk) 13:19, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Then I suppose you'd best be careful about which cites in Utah you select as sister cities. I'm sure the men there, and all their wives, will be disappointed. SinisterLefty (talk) 22:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC) [reply]

Filling in "missing letters" to make a real word is something I've done, too. I can't look at the Ulta brand without seeing "Ultra". SinisterLefty (talk) 21:28, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The reverse also applies: "Music hath charms to soothe a savage breast". Not beast. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:27, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Some of us might not mind be attacked by savages breasts. SinisterLefty (talk) 22:54, 7 October 2019 (UTC) [reply]

The names of the continents are actually spelled "Amerikka" and "Afrikka" in Finnish as the letter "c" doesn't occur natively in Finnish. JIP | Talk 20:45, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good for them. Always seemed like a useless letters, to me (x is another). It either makes a k or s sound, so why not just use k or s to make it klear ? It is needed for the ch sound, but it would make sense to just use c for that, if it was no longer used for anything else. Everyone who agrees, ceer me on ! SinisterLefty (talk) 01:59, 12 October 2019 (UTC) [reply]

October 7

Laylow

Laylow is a redirect since 2007 to the Ladbroke Grove section of the Notting Hill article, apparently because the word is a street term for the Ladbroke Grove district (according to the page's creator [1]). But I can find no reliable source for this usage, only references to a restaurant in the area by that name. Can the redirect be deleted? ---Viennese Waltz 09:07, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

None of the 6 references quoted in 2007 by user Skam1ism (who is inactive since) appear reliable. There is a restaurant Laylow at 10 Golborne Road, W10 5PE London, and some trace of a pirate FM radio Laylow 106.8 MHz. With no better source(s), the redirect of Laylow can be challenged at Talk:Notting Hill and subsequently deleted. DroneB (talk) 14:00, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the confirmation, I'll go ahead as you suggest. I'd already mentioned the restaurant, btw. --Viennese Waltz 14:17, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statue in Borås

In Borås, Sweden, near the city centre, there is a statue of a man partly submerged in water. Only the head and upper torso are visible above water. Who is it a statue of? JIP | Talk 11:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

According to sv:Bodhi (skulptur), it's a self-portrait by sv:Fredrik Wretman. Someguy1221 (talk) 11:38, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I took the liberty to fix your links. --Wrongfilter (talk) 11:40, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder why the water. I suppose it makes it less likely to be vandalized. SinisterLefty (talk) 18:39, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like most of this sculptor's works are in water, though not sure why. See for example his sculpture in sv:Barkarbystaden, one of the few listed on his page that is not in a natural body of water, but is sitting in water anyway. Maybe he just really likes watery reflections. Someguy1221 (talk) 21:20, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If most of his work is in water than I guess probably not. But in general, it's also possible "why the water" is the wrong question. Maybe there was a body of water and whoever was in charge of it decided they wanted an artwork inside it and put out some sort of expression of interest. Nil Einne (talk) 08:10, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe he just tried to save money on bronze, by using less. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:00, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

October 8

Identify these EU leaders

[2] Macron, Merkel and Johnson are easy, but who are the other four? (There are two others to Merkel's right, but they're obscured from view.) --Viennese Waltz 10:12, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I thought this would be easy by looking at the list of current members of the EU Council (Heads of Government of each EU member), see https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/european-council/members/. But I can't work out who the man with the white beard is. Reverse image search of the photo shows it was taken at/after a UN Climate Sunmmit, so they might be world leaders from non-EU countries. That's my best guess, sorry. Prokhorovka (talk) 08:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The bearded man looks like Miguel Arias Cañete, EU Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy. It would make sense that he would be sitting next to Donald Tusk at a meeting of EU leaders on climate issues. Xuxl (talk) 19:34, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But Donald Tusk is not in the picture. --Viennese Waltz 06:56, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I found these other photos taken at around the same time [3] [4]. They don't look like they will help with the main unidentified ones from the previous photo but there's chance the ones hidden by Merkel could be identified. Nil Einne (talk) 09:44, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.politico.eu/article/european-powerhouses-point-finger-at-iran-in-attack-on-saudi-oil-assets/ seems to point at a Johnson/Macron/Merkel meeting. MilborneOne (talk) 09:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, while the context of this meeting isn't clear from the various mentions of it, all sources I found only refer to those three and some even call it a tripartite leader meeting or similar. It's possible some leaders of the EU itself were present but I doubt there were any leaders or representatives of other EU countries. The lack of any mention of anyone else in any sources I found makes me think that whoever they are, they probably aren't that significant in political terms (whatever their significance in power terms). Probably even someone like Miguel Arias Cañete is unlikely. Nil Einne (talk) 10:32, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I found these other photos taken at around the same time [5] (direct link to image) [6] (direct link to image), [7] (direct link to image). They don't look like they will help with the main unidentified ones from the previous photo but there's chance the ones hidden by Merkel could be identified and maybe some of the others not really visible in the earlier image. (There are other's e.g. [8] (direct link to image, [9] (direct link to image), [10](direct link to image) which I found but they don't look like they will help with anything.) Nil Einne (talk) 10:24, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The name badges and lanyards on the other people suggest they are not leaders but some other type of bureaucrat. I'm not sure about the guy with the beard, but the guy opposite him is also sporting a lanyard. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 10:44, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably right that they're officials, apologies for the misdirection but I somehow assumed they were leaders or at least ministers. Also in support of your theory is that both Merkel and Johnson have name plates on the table (although Macron seems to have lost his), while the blokes at the other end of the table don't. --Viennese Waltz 08:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Judging by the last image link posted by Nil Einne, Macron has been busy crushing his name plate beyond recognition. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 11:32, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The fifth person from the left is the German government's spokesperson Steffen Seibert. --Pp.paul.4 (talk) 09:48, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Colour photographs of Adolf Hitler

Are there any colour photographs of Adolf Hitler? I mean photographs that were originally shot in colour, not recoloured black-and-white photographs, or drawings or paintings. JIP | Talk 10:14, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are, yes. See here, for example (don't click if you don't want to give clicks to the Daily Mail, btw). --Viennese Waltz 10:25, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are home movies of Hitler which are in color.[11] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:33, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

October 9

relating to WP:RM

At this page. I requested a WP:RM, but a few moments ago a page move happen anyway. While there was one who opposed and suggested of making a redirect instead. But the one week period hasn't past yet? I was assuming at the time; Assassin's Pride is the main page/ article, but have Assassins Pride redirect to Assassin's Pride. Which I was leading towards. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 01:23, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, for future reference WP:Help Desk or WP:Teahouse are the places for help with using and editing wikipedia. The reference desk is intended for help seeking references for any factual questions you have. But anyway I believe I've now reverted this move. I agree that the page should not have been moved without summarising and closing the existing discussion which does not seem to have consensus. Nil Einne (talk) 08:56, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, sorry. It was at the time when I was going to my job shift. As sometimes if I rush over there. I attend to forget to ask at the right place. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, one more comment, whatever the outcome of this discussion, it's quite likely both Assassin's Pride and Assassins Pride should exist one as a redirect to the other. The redirect could be created without discussion (and has as a result of the earlier move) although if you're going to start an RM it's best if you ensure you ensure the redirect is created in 1 edit to make things easier in case of a move by a non admin or page mover. Nil Einne (talk) 11:24, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

October 10

how can i help the kurds?

For an american citizen in the united states, what kind of opportunities for that are there?Rich (talk) 00:28, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Contact your congressman and/or senator, and ask them to speak out on your behalf. Directly, there are a number of charitable relief organizations accepting donations in the United States for the benefit of Syrians affected by the conflict, and some of these are quite highly rated: see [12] and search for "Syria". However, none of these have a specific focus on providing assistance to Syrian Kurds. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:17, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Domino

A friend and I are trying to solve the domino test. And we’re having a hard time solving this one https://unsee.cc/3fbccf42/. Anyone could help? We thought of 3/4. Miss Bono^{[hello, hello!]} 13:40, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

4 inside and 3 ouside. it runs clockwise 2...3...4...5...6...2...3...4... etc. Thanks Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 15:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What things do we do or say now that could be considered politically incorrect in the future?

This forum is not for predicting the future

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Since it changes pretty much every 5-10 years. 1.54.193.41 (talk) 14:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"I'm taking a flight to the Virgin Islands for a holiday with my girlfriend." Ericoides (talk) 14:43, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"We have three children"

"Yes I'm the only occupant of this pickup, and no I'm not going to carry a load in the back"

"He only has a part-time job" -- Q Chris (talk) 14:58, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, but I do clearly recall as a child being taught that the appropriate term for someone with a physical disability was to say that they were crippled. Then later in my teen this was seen as taboo and I was told that they should be called psychically disabled, now days I have been informed that such people like to be referred to as otherwardly-abled, and that crippled in deeply offensive. The same refers to those of a mental disability where the procession went from Retarded to Special to mentally handicapped and now most recently I have heard this referred to again as retarded, being the politically correct term, and so it would appear to me, and it may just be that I am an old man, and stuck in my ways but I suspect that this is cyclical due to those referred to never being happy with their own lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.40.58 (talk) 15:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That would be the euphemism treadmill. That is, if something really is bad, like being mentally retarded, or is perceived as bad, like being black, then any term for it will eventually acquire a negative association, and be replaced by another. So then, to answer the OP, any words we currently use that describe things which are bad or perceived as bad will eventually become offensive.

Of course, that's not the only way things become politically incorrect. Just as it's now considered politically incorrect to refer to the race/ethnicity/religion of a person unless somehow relevant, the same may eventually occur with gender. This would require gender-neutral terms like "newspaper carrier" be used instead of "paperboy" or "papergirl". SinisterLefty (talk) 18:38, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See also Intellectual disability#Terminology. "Mentally retarded" was itself a replacement for 'moron' and 'imbecile'. When and where I was growing up, parents and teachers preferred the term "special needs", so naturally kids used variations on that as an insult. Someguy1221 (talk) 21:24, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I like the term "slow", which means the same thing as "retarded", but can't be altered to the highly offensive "retard". "Slow" may still be a euphemism, though, since it implies that the only deficit is in the rate of learning, not the maximum level which can be achieved. SinisterLefty (talk) 16:50, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Swimming

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aktash,+Altai+Republic,+Altai+Republic,+Russia,+649743/@50.31111,87.59917,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipPuwThAlwJ_kVty_HuuStRmJrNShv0Na3IIvT81!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPuwThAlwJ_kVty_HuuStRmJrNShv0Na3IIvT81%3Dw203-h270-k-no!7i1536!8i2048!4m5!3m4!1s0x42c8381cfb19251d:0x39a29d3f35acbe67!8m2!3d50.3111598!4d87.599144

Is anyone able to shed any light on this pond. I would like to know what has created the blue colour, what created the circles and is it safe to swim in, and if so, why is no one swimming in any of the pictures? Thanks Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's a cyan color, how about cyanobacteria ? As for the circular shapes, perhaps this was from old wells, from when the water level was lower (the one in front being presumably the most modern) ? As for swimming in it, it's somewhat small, stagnant, mostly too shallow, and likely slimy, perhaps with leeches. Doesn't look like a place I'd like to swim. And some species of cyanobacteria are toxic: [13]. SinisterLefty (talk) 18:45, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It could be an ice circle, although obviously without the ice. A slow-moving current in smooth water can cause these. Although the surface film is usually thought of as ice, they can form with bacterial films too. Foam doesn't tend to form these (as the other common surface covering in watercourses), as it's too easily spreading and adhesive at the edges, so foam circles tend to weld themselves back together. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:10, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

October 12

Voting systems in the city of Philadelphia

Hi, a curiosity. From what I know, the city once adopted mechanical lever systems. Today there are touch screen systems. I come to the point; Has the city of Philadelphia ever had punch card voting systems? Thank you so much.

Here's the relevant webpage, as far as I can tell: [14]. You might want to just reach out to that department directly. RudolfRed (talk) 21:56, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

October 13

Finding a list with registred planes

Hi there. I am interested to search for airplanes (still in use and also scrapped ones - or because of a sale - no longer valid aviation marks) which have a WT, WTS or WS on their end (example: X-XXXWT) in their registration. Do I have the possibility somehow to find these planes and their full registration code which ends with WT, WTS or WS? I am looking especially for registred planes in great Britain and the US. Thank you --46.167.62.33 (talk) 11:07, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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+Do I have the possibility somehow to find these planes and their full registration code which ends with WT, WTS or WS? I am looking especially for registred planes in great Britain and the US. Thank you --[[Special:Contributions/46.167.62.33|46.167.62.33]] ([[User talk:46.167.62.33|talk]]) 11:07, 13 October 2019 (UTC)