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The page ... has been reviewd.

Hello, From time to time I've received notices that state 'The page [name of page] has been reviewed. When I look at the watchlist I can see (Page curation log) time, name of user, and marked [name of article] as reviewed (Tag: PageTriage). For some time now I've been curious of the meaning of this. I can not see any tags on the articles. Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 21:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC) LorriBrown (talk) 21:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

LorriBrown, this has to do with curating new pages. This is done with new page reviewers who use the tool to evaluate new pages and lets them improve it, suggest improvements to it, nominate it for deletion, among other things. If you would like more info refer to Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:40, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu Thank you I appreciate this information! Best, LorriBrown (talk) 01:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

LorriBrown, it also means that the article has been released for indexing by search engines. Any article that you have created doesn't show up on google search before it is marked as reviewed. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:43, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, Thank you this is very good to know! :-) Best, LorriBrown (talk) 14:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, on that note, is there a way to review a page but suppress search engine indexing on it? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, I know no better than is at WP:NOINDEX. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, thanks for the link. One of my user subpages got reviewed so I assumed it's been indexed, though according to that page it seems like reviewing does not index user pages. Cheers! Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, that's correct. Unfortunately, commons, mediawiki and simple wikipedia results apparently don't do that; so engines throw my userpages from two of those every time I check. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:54, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Page of an Indian Cybersecurity Expert rejected

 Courtesy link: Draft:Rahul Sasi

I have submitted about an Indian Cybersecurity expert and a well renowed Infosec speaker who has travelled across 14 countries and gave speaches. He has tons of News sources citing his works. Yet it failed the review. Kindly help me where it went wrong ? SahilZAC (talk) 21:49, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

SahilZAC, welcome to the Teahouse. Reading AngusWOOF's comment it seems that he would prefer your best three sources to consider for the review. I suggest leaving a message on his talk page or on the draft's talk page to start a correspondence with him. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:04, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

SahilZAC. I've only looked at a couple of the sources, but: the first one is a mere mention, and the third one is partly by him, not about him. Neither of these contributes towards his notability. Have a look at WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 09:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine Can i know which are these sources.? Plenty of news sources have covered his research. I will remove the source which was written by him. Are we looking mainly on links in the infocards ?

courtesy ping ColinFine; mention without signature^^ Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:56, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

SahilZAC. I have no idea what "links in the infocards" means. What about CSMN do you not understand? And, pinging doesn't work unless you sign the post. Thanks, Usedtobecool --ColinFine (talk) 21:10, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

(BLP violation removed) George Pell

 Courtesy link: George Pell

Is it not possible to remove Pell's countenance from the home page? (BLP violation removed) PLEASE get rid of him. 70.105.250.100 (talk) 01:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

If you wish to talk about getting his picture removed, please refer to the article's talk page. Unless it violates a copyright of some sort it is highly unlikely that the image of him will be removed. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, FWIW, the IP is presumably referring to the main page, where Pell's picture is currently present under "In the News" due to his recent acquittal. Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 02:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Moaz786, I saw that; perhaps I should redirect the IP editor to the Talk:Main Page then? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, perhaps we should refer the IP to WP:BLPREMOVE which I am tempted to invoke for his posts to this thread. Elizium23 (talk) 11:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Elizium23, the last time this IP made meaningful edits was in 2016 and so far hasn't made any further changes in regards to the subject. If anyone can close this I think we can lay the matter to rest. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:57, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: The poster is unlikely to be the same person that posted using that IP in 2016, but I'm not sure why that would matter. Last I remember, consensus here was against implementing the type of "closing" used elsewhere (e.g., admin noticeboards). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: I'm aware that the person using that IP is most likely not the one from a few years back. In any case, it doesn't seem like they've done anything else since yesterday besides post here. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:34, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

You might find him (Redacted), but he is in the news. It will pass. Then people will spend much time and aggro fighting over neutrality and due weight in his bio. Probably we've also had recent pictures for Weinstein and the-other-guy-whose-name-escapes-me (and they haven't had their convictions overturned). We're not celebrating the verdict, just reporting it. You could set your sights on Sky News, I heard they've been giving him a sympathathetic airing recently. And this thread will soon be archived and forgotten. But thanks for stopping by to let us know how you feel. Pelagic (talk) 15:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Why has this not been suppressed in four days?? Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Music Notability

Hello! I am addressing Draft:Droeloe, an article that I wrote. It was taken down today because the topic was deemed "not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia", and I would like to discuss the notability that I have found after reviewing Wikipedia:Notability (music). JessFranborough (talk) 03:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

JessFranborough, that draft cites 92 references. No sane reviewer is going to check all of them. The first few do nothing to establish that the subject is notable. If you believe that there are sources that establish notability, please list three or four such sources here. Maproom (talk) 07:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

References 15-78, which all confirm that songs exist, contribute nothing to the requirement of establishing notability. Per Maproom's request, can you list here at least three of the 'references' that are at-length content about Droeloe. P.S. I deleted the list of events (and those references), because that does not contribute to notability. David notMD (talk) 10:31, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Maproom and David notMD! My apologies, for Droeloe’s discography I cited the songs and added links because I saw other musicians do this on their pages and thought it may be a good idea. I can delete all of those links. I had forgotten to put in this article that Droeloe’s song "Jump" was featured in an Apple Inc. advertisement. This means that Droeloe fulfills criteria number 10 on the list of Criteria for musicians and ensembles on Wikipedia:Notability (music). I just updated the Droeloe article with the Apple Inc. ad information. Here are links to the advertisement information if you would like to see here:

• https://www.applemusic.info/
• https://www.youredm.com/2017/08/16/apple-features-one-edms-best-upcoming-duos-new-commercial-watch/
• https://www.facebook.com/apple/videos/1504957402897137/

In addition per your request, here are some references that are notable about Droeloe:

• https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/dance/8495947/droeloe-mask-infomercial-only-be-me
• https://earmilk.com/2017/08/25/droeloe-wow-with-emotionally-complex-debut-ep-a-moment-in-time/
• https://edm.com/music-releases/droeloe-looking-back

JessFranborough (talk) 03:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

JessFranborough, you've listed six sources. I've reformatted them, to make them easier to identify.

The first three don't discuss the subject at all, and the third is from Facebook, which is not a reliable source. The fourth is based on an interview, and so not independent of the subject. The fifth and sixth do appear to me to contribute to establishing that the subject is notable. If you can find a couple more sources like the last two, and get rid of all the others, you should be able to get the draft accepted. Maproom (talk) 10:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Maproom. The first three sources that I listed were links to the information about the advertisement Droeloe participated in, not part of the reliable sources that you asked for. I didn't mean to confuse you. Here are a couple more source that will prove Droeloe's notability. Thank you!

• https://wololosound.com/lanzamientos/droeloe-virtual-friends/
• https://www.cultr.com/news/droeloe-drop-10-track-a-promise-is-made-ep/

JessFranborough (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Translation Cleanup- Keep Sources?

Resolved

 – Direct translation with original sources are allowed (English preferred per WP:NONENG); suggestion to acknowledge where content is from in edit summaries or putting {{Translated page}} on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Very new to Wikipedia. I recently cleaned up the translation of a Spanish-to-English page Maria Eugenia Suarez and added multiple paragraphs that were included in the Spanish page but not the English one. So far everything I've done is direct translation, since I don't want to get into the weeds of the many Wikipedia standards for adding new content. So with the added paragraphs, I'm wondering if I can copy the (Spanish-language) citations over as well? Carla.Abra (talk) 23:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

You are absolute allowed to use reliable sources in Spanish, though we prefer English-language sources if they exist. --MrClog (talk) 00:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

In your edit summaries for the addition of citations acknowledge where the info is from. David notMD (talk) 00:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Carla.Abra: Note that each Wikipedia project (in each language) has its own standards, and enwiki is among the more strict as far as source reliability and notability. The fact that an article exists on another Wikipedia does not give it any special waiver of enwiki standards when it is translated and created here – it should comply just like any other new article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all! Your comments are very helpful. Carla.Abra (talk) 02:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Carla.Abra: InterWiki translation is really valuable work. The more multilingual editors there are, the better! A couple of points in addition to what others have already said:

If you translate from another language into English as you did with Maria Eugenia Suarez, it's best practice to add a {{translated page}} template to the Talk Page of the English article. That way, the original Spanish-speaking editor gets due credit.

There are some useful links to browse towards the bottom of that template, which might give you some ideas.

{{Interlanguage link}} ({{ill}} for short) is really useful if there's a bluelink in the original but a redlink in English. I've added a couple of them to Maria Eugenia Suarez so that you can see how it's done. They point to useful information, and can encourage editors to translate whole articles.

If you get the courage to translate a whole article, be sure to make an InterWiki link using the Languages/Edit links tool in the left-hand column. There's a good example in Maria Eugenia Suarez, where the articles in 14 languages are linked together.

Happy editing! Narky Blert (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Compliments to Wikipedia

Hi everyone! I know that this isn't really a question, but I would like to give my compliments to Wikipedia and all of the Wikimedia projects. I haven't been a user for very long, and I'm so surprised at all the things that go on in the background. It's like when I wasn't a user, all I saw was the tiny top of an immense iceberg of edits, talk pages, and users. I'm so glad I'm able to experience all of this now and hopefully make a difference on Wikipedia. Thanks a lot! Wikiforever47 (talk) 02:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hope you enjoy your time here as many of us have! Take your time to explore and have fun. :) bibliomaniac15 05:21, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Including an artist's real name in an article (when it's claimed they do not the name in the public sphere)

It is claimed Mxmtoon doesn't want her real name in the public sphere. However, her name has been published by at least one source. Is there any Wikipedia policy to help decide? See discussion at Talk:Mxmtoon Jonpatterns (talk) 07:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC) Jonpatterns (talk) 07:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jonpatterns. My immediate question is how do we know that she wants her name to be kept private? I can't get to the bottom of that from reading the talk page comments. If the subject of the article has communicated this to an editor, then it might be a good idea for her to be advised to contact OTRS (Wikipedia:Contact us) so that the issue can be discussed privately between her and the OTRS team. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:25, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses the most common name for a subject. If the person's stage name is only in one or a few sources, and vast majority use their stage name, it may be possible to keep their real name out. I would suggest following Cordless Larry's suggestion. 331dot (talk) 08:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Do not "fix" redirects - please clarify my assumptions

after WP:NOTBROKEN, i have made some assumptions, please say yes or no

• dont change interwiki redirects
• dont change http -> https in hyperlinks in references or notes ... if there are no other changes in article
• do not change error 302, if there are no other changes in article
• change errors 301 or 302 along with other changes [ frequent changes made by me : removing www in website, adding archive date and hyperlink in case of 404 error, removing non existent interwiki links in article, adding missing authority control, etc..] Leela52452 (talk) 07:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC) any OTHER suggestion or critique is preferred here

Don't change interwiki redirects. Y Unless the link doesn't make sense in its current state, avoid changing them

Don't change HTTP → HTTPS in hyperlinks in references or notes... N If there is a HTTPS link available, you should always try changing it to that.

Do not change error 302. Y I think you're confused. 302 means the page has been successfully found, so you should leave it like that without a doubt.

Change errors 301 or 302 along with other changes (frequent changes made by me: removing www in a website, adding archive date and hyperlink in case of 404 error, removing non-existent interwiki links in an article, adding missing authority control, etc..) Y If you have a page redirecting, like in a 301, change it to the final page. All of the things you said in the parentheses are correct.

Hope this helps! — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 14:07, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Shadow Warrior

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 09:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Kiyomi the sunshine (talk) 08:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I found this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Warrior which has many sections empty. how much info should I collect from main article. a summary would be enough I guess.Kiyomi the sunshine (talk) 08:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kiyomi the sunshine. Welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for wanting to improve Wikipedia. (I added a header to your question). I'm not sure there's any need for those sections in the first place, since they link to the main articles: there might as well be just a list of links. Far more valuable would be finding some reliable, independent sources which discuss the series (not just the individual games) in some depth - without such sources, the series will fail notability. --ColinFine (talk) 09:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Getting notification from actions (like reply to your post)

Can I get notification from replying and when someone revert my changes? in the replying they often misspell my username can I do something about it? Thanks in advance – Erfan Talk☻ 09:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Et0zl! You should get a notification if someone reverts you, but it depends on how they did it. If the one who replied to you didn't WP:PING you, you won't get a notification, but looking at your Help:Watchlist can help. Or your edithistory, [1]. If it doesn't say "current", someone has edited the page after you (not that helpful on high-traffic pages like this one). Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Thanks a lot – Erfan Talk☻ 10:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Et0zl: you can hardly blame other users for mispelliing your username when you've chosen to display a different name in your signature than your actual username! You also fail to link to your user page, which might have helped, as well. These are two things you could definitely do something about.  Nick Moyes (talk) 10:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes I don't blame anyone, My point is this is happening and what can I do about it. Thanks for your help – Erfan Talk☻ 10:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Well 'blame' might not have been the best word I could have used, but I have offered you an additional suggestion for something you can do actually do to address the issue, over and above the advice already given you. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, not sure if I adjusted some setting or not, but I do get an alert when someone reverts my edits; maybe it has to do with manually reverting instead of clicking "undo" on diffs? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

That's what I meant, yes. If I "revert" your edit by just deleting it with a normal edit of my own, you won't get a ping. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:25, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Abed-Elrahman Ahmed

Can anyone here at wikipedia create a page named Abed-Elrahman Ahmed? It's for a boy that I care extremely much. Please someone create the page so I can edit it. After you create it please send me a talk. Thanks!Julia Schubert (talk) 10:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Julia Schubert! Probably not, see WP:BASIC. Do you have such references? If not, such an article will be quickly deleted. If you do, I recommend you read Help:YFA carefully and then start a Help:Userspace draft. Assuming you don't mean Abdelrahman Ossama. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Julia Schubert, are you referring to the 12-year-old Romanian chess player? Any Wikipedia article (not page) about this boy can only say what reliable, published sources have written about him, because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not social media. If you care extremely much, start Googling for reliable published sources, and write the article. There is a Romanian Wikipedia where you may have an easier time writing the article.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Sourcing question

Hallo, I am trying to improve Carlo Masi bio as it has been selected for deletion. He was a porn actor so sourcing is one of the hardest thing. I would like to mention that he appeared in many calendars (often on the cover) and there is a lot of merchandise after him. Do you think there is anyway I can source this? is for example amazon.com a possible source? After all any source that shows the cover would do, am I wrong? thank you for helping. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 11:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 11:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, generally, you don't need to mention merchandise in Wikipedia articles. Regarding using Amazon reviews as sources, per WP:RSPSOURCES, Amazon is not a reliable source and is not to be used. Hope this helps. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:54, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Berrely Hallo, thank you for your answer. I was considering mentioning calendars and merchandising after Carlo Masi because some one questions his notability so I thought that being on the cover of a lot of calendars and having a vaste merchandise after you could be a rafforzative for his notability. Anyway, I guess it was a bod idea than. thank you --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 14:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

How to my article page in Vietnamese language to English

Dear sir / madam, unknowingly my article page is in Vietnamese language, please help to me , made English as the article page. Msgouda2412 (talk) 13:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Msgouda2412, can you please elaborate? What is your article? — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Apostolic Movement

Please. Can someone help me to improve the Draft:Apostolic Movement to create a new article on Wikipedia? Thanks Progettistauniversale (talk) 13:18, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse volunteers primarily answer questions on how to, but do not directly help edit articles (unless they are so moved). The draft has been declined twice, each time with the reviewer providing guidance. David notMD (talk) 22:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Help regarding reporting

Not an issue for Teahouse. Referred elsewhere

 – WP:DISPUTE for content disputes, WP:AN/I for behavioural disputes.

hello, i want to report a user for constantly removing translations of names and adding his own country's language's names instead because of his bias, and he doesn't seem to give up after mulitple discussions on talk pages. How do I report him? Through Wikipedia email? CuriousGolden (talk) 13:20, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CuriousGolden: you seem to be involved in a content dispute with HistoryofIran. Content disputes aren't handled by reporting users you disagree with, but by following the procedures at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. In case you ever do have an actual behavioural issue that needs to be reported, you can use WP:AN/I. However, note that your behaviour will be examined too if you do so! --MrClog (talk) 13:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

User is continiously adding anachronistic and/or revisionism names to the lede of articles. Nothing to see here, he will most likely get banned like many other users before him. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

You're aware that you're removing Azerbaijani names from Azerbaijani empires and Turkic names from Turkic empires and putting Persian instead? We'll see who'll be the one to get banned first CuriousGolden (talk)

I'm removing names (mainly added by you) that were never used under those Turkic empires (not Azerbaijani as you claim in a revisionism way), hence anachronistic. I haven't added any Persian name instead, and even if I did, I'm sure it was justified. Go on, report me if you're so sure of that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:24, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

HistoryofIran and CuriousGolden, can we please keep this civilised and not argue with each other on the Teahouse page. I suggest taking this to another respective talk page. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 14:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Legendre Conjecture

Yesterday - April 14,2020 I sent e-mails to a number of mathematicians proposing the following: Bridgeman Conjecture

"There are at least two prime numbers between N² and (N + 1)² for every positive integer N, and two of these prime numbers form a twin prime in most cases. For N less than 2¹⁵ the eleven known exceptions are when N is equal to 9, 19, 26, 27, 30, 34, 39, 49, 53, 77, and 122."

This conjecture implies proof of Legendre's Conjecture.

My question: How do I go about getting this conjecture added to Wikipedia and included in the info on Legendre's Conjecture? 2601:5C5:201:B0B0:B555:C64:290D:139 (talk) 13:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)James N. Bridgeman 2601:5C5:201:B0B0:B555:C64:290D:139 (talk) 13:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi 2601:5C5:201:B0B0:B555:C64:290D:139, you might want to consider asking this question at WikiProject Mathematics, they can probably add your request into the article easily. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 14:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mr Bridgeman. I know zilch about mathematics, but if, as it sounds, you are hoping to advertise the brand new 'Bridgeman Conjecture' on Wikipedia, you may not do so. That is, not until sufficient independent, reliable sources have published articles describing this conjecture in enough details as to demonstrate that the world (and not just a few independent mathematicians) have taken notice of it. That is not to decry any of your contributions to science and mathematics; we simply do not publish 'Original Research' on Wikipedia, if that is what it is. In roughly the same way, we did not have an article about Donna Strickland on Wikipedia until there were published, verifiable sources talking about her achievement after she won her Nobel prize. She did great things beforehand, of course, but nobody wrote about them. Wikipedia collates and follows other sources. It does not lead by publishing new research or theorems, sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)  

Charles Greathouse beat you to it in 2011, so probably gets naming rights. Listed in the comments to A063790 in the OEIS. Mathglot (talk) 02:33, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit exisiting page or create a new one?

This page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Logic_Factory contains information about a former game development company, which doesn't exist anymore. Yet in 2007 a Dutch software development company, called The Logic Factory, was founded. In the meantime this software development company has grown to an international company, with over 100 employees and offices in the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, India and the United States of America.

Currently I am investigating the possibility to create a Wikipedia page for them, but now I am wondering wether the existing page of The Logic Factory should be modified or if a new page should be created for it. Anyone any suggestions? Pieter van der Wulp (talk) 14:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Pieter van der Wulp, you might want to consider moving The Logic Factory to something similar to "The Logic Factory (defunct company) and then calling the new page "The Logic Factory (2007–present)" — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 14:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Pieter van der Wulp, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that I disagree wtih Berrely's advice. If the current company is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense), then somebody could create an article about them (rather than a "page for them"), and if somebody does, the existing article should probably be moved to a different title: probably "The Logic Factory (game company)". But until such an article is written (assuming one can be written), the policy on article titles says the that title should not be changed. If you chose to write an article about the current company, I would advise you to use articles for creation to create a draft; and when the draft is submitted and accepted, the accepting reviewer will sort out the naming. --ColinFine (talk) 16:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

How to update an article

Hi there. I am John Simley -- the communications director for UOP LLC. The entry for our business on Wikipedia is pretty out of date, containing technologies we no longer offer while missing others we have offered for years or decades. It also differs appreciably from how we describe the business to customers and investors in Honeywell (our parent company). How do we go about correcting these issues? 199.64.6.155 (talk) 14:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey John Simley, welcome to the teahouse! I suggest you read Wikipedia:Edit requests and continue from there. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 14:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

What that means is that after you register an account and acknowledge on your User page the nature of your paid relationship to UOP LLC, you should not make direct edits to the article. Instead, you should specify the changes on the Talk page of the article (as in, in section ___ the wording and ref is ____ and the wording and ref should be changed to _____. Then, an unconnected editor will review the proposed change and either implement or decline. Given low traffic on the Talk page (last entry 2012!!!) there is a process for asking for evaluation of proposed changes. David notMD (talk) 22:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Carl Andreas Göpfert, 1768-1818

Could this be added? It is from the Newspaper Åbo Allmänna Tidning, Turku, Finland Nov. 20 1817, page 4. Nästkommande Söndag den 23 November uppföres, med benäget biträde af Herrar Amatörer, till förmon för Herr Goepffert från St. Petersburg, en fullstämmig Vocal- och Instrumental-Concert, uti Societets-Husets stora Sal, hwartill Billetter à 2 Rub. B:co Assign. stycket försäljas hos Källarmästaren derstädes samt hos Mamsell Wahlund. De Piecer som komma att exequeras, blifwa genom Afficher kungjorda. [ÅAT 20.11.1817, s. 4]. On Sunday next, the 23rd of November, shall be performed, with the kind assistance of "Herrar Amatörer" [the orchestra Gentelmen Amateurs] to the benefit of Mr. Göpfert [coming] from St. Petersburg, a complete vocal and instrumental concert, in the grand hall of the Society House, to which tickets are sold at 2 Rubels a piece by the restaurateur on the spot as well as by Mademoisell [Christina] Wahlund. The music to be performed shall be announced by posters. 91.159.202.73 (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC) Carsten Bregenhoej 91.159.202.73 (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC) Helsinki Finland

ref: from the Newspaper Åbo Allmänna Tidning, Turku, Finland Nov. 20 1817, page 4.

Hello IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. The entire text of the notice (as fantastic as it is – De Piecer som komma att exequeras, blifwa genom Afficher kungjorda – that's beautiful in so many ways!) shouldn't be added to the article, but I think it can be used as a source. Add a reference (see this information) with the information you have listed above – title, date, and page. Nice find! --bonadea contributions talk 14:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

A page about me

Sonal Jindal Business Woman (talk) 14:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Please help me how to start my wikipedia ? Sonal Jindal Business Woman (talk) 14:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Sonal Jindal Business Woman, please don't. We strongly discourage writting autobiographies. It is very difficult to do this whilst following policies:

• Articles are based upon what reliable published sources say about something - this means you have to completely forget everything not in those sources, not easy.
• Articles are neutrally written - obviously in your interest to have a positive article about yourself, but this isn't neutral.
• Articles need to be about notable subjects - it is difficult to determine if you are notable yourself.

Ultimately, we aren't somewhere to promote yourself. If you are notable enough to have an article, someone will come and write one in time. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 15:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank You for your input. Sonal Jindal Business Woman (talk) 16:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

About My Talk Page

Deleted due to finding the answer elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thibeinn (talk • contribs) 15:13, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Thibeinn: OK, but per WP:TPO please don't edit talk page postings if others may have seen (and possibly begun to reply to) them. You should just add a comment to disregard the question. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect citations

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I removed several incorrect citations on the Settlement Schools wiki page. I am the manager of the collection cited and the citations removed point to materials that our collection does not have. These materials were removed prior to 2012 and we do not know where they are. Please do not undo my edits - we keep getting requests for this material that is not available. MountainDogTime (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

This must be about Settlement school. You have removed some references, presumably because the links no longer work. That is not an adequate reason for removing them. It would be better to fix the links, perhaps by providing an alternative source such as the Wayback Machine. Maproom (talk) 18:57, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

So, MountainDogTime, these are photograph albums that are no longer in the University's library collection? I wonder whether the Description from the old catalog record can qualify as a source in itself?

As a convenience to other readers, here's an example of what one of the ref's pointed to. Another is only archived as a 404 page.

I would hope, as a librarian or library manager, that you would value preserving information. Your last edit appears to have removed some content in addition to the ref's.

Would it be acceptable to retain the citations but include a note that the materials went missing in 2012 and their current location is unknown? That could be sufficient to reduce the quantity of enquiries that you're receiving.

I suggest taking this discussion to Talk:Settlement school, so that it will be available to readers of the article.

Regards, Pelagic (talk) 18:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

MountainDogTime, I'm afraid that even dead references need to be kept. Even a dead reference establishes that such material did exist at point. Even if your organization no longer has that info, it still exists (or did exist) somewhere. The references should be tagged, perhaps using Template:Dead link. That way the sources can be updated if possible. Even better would be to find copies of the material and update the citations. But they cannot just be removed for being dead, as they still support information. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 18:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Citing lectures, seminars

Hi dear reader!

I am currently working on my first Wikipedia article Draft:Text World Theory, which was declined because it needed more exact references. I want to cite my sources as accurately as possible, so most of my article relies on reliable, peer-reviewed articles and books. To be frank however, I also relied on the content of lectures and seminars that I followed as a student. Sometimes, I found the explanation of a professor to be very useful, so part of what I have written, draws from this. I personally know that their information is reliable as I find it to agree with the information that I find in additional resources that have been reviewed.

This however, is of course problematic. I cannot cite these additional sources directly for a number of reasons. Firstly, this is not the inital source that I have for the information, so it feels as though I am not being fair with my citations, as well as that the explanation of my professors might be different from the exact writings of other scholars. I also do not know where my professors got their information exactly, because I rely on their authority to learn something, rather than their exact citations (usually, they just state information without citing where they got it from, because they are authorities themselves). As they have been appointed a teaching position within the University, I assume that they are reliable. Secondly, I know that even though something might seem reliable to me, I might be biased or my professors might be wrong. Thusly, I am not sure whether citing a lecture or seminar actually meets the guidelines of Wikipedia, though I would want it to. Thirdly, even if I could cite my classes, they aren't public. This means that they cannot be checked by others that aren't fellow students or teachers of the same institute. This is of course extremely problematic.

I would love to cite my exact sources and provide all the exact details of the lectures or seminars I got the information from. It seems to me that that both improves the quality of the article, as well as that it credits the proper people as well. However, it seems like this format doesn't work for Wikipedia. What should I do? Owndifiction (talk) 15:57, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Lectures given by your professors in the course of your education are not reliable sources. If the lecture was instead a public lecture where reporters came and wrote articles about the lecture, those articles would be usable as secondary sources. Your report of your professor's lecture is not a reliable source because you are not journalist, and would only be publishing it here, which means it is original research. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, Owndifiction! Could you contact your professors and ask them about good sources? They might be pleased by your interest in the topic, and point you to some important works in the field. Or, if you're a current student, they might also tell you to go off and hone your library skills as a "learning exercise". :)

P.S. I just clicked through to your draft, and the references appear to be shaping up. (My background is biology, not linguistics, so discourse theory is a bit over my head.) You can use one of our citation tools – in Visual Editor, there should be a Cite button in the toolbar – to fill out author, title, publisher, date, etc. I'm not sure whether we have something that can pull the metadata for you from a Google books URL, but maybe from an ISBN. Anyway, thanks for coming to Wikipedia and sharing your knowledge of the topic! Pelagic (talk) 19:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Pelagic: The cite book tool will usually read bib data from a Google books URL as well as from ISBNs. @Owndifiction: please see MOS:BOLD. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Too much celebrative bios

Hallo, I am working on a porn actor bio and I bumped into François Sagat bio. I find it way too celebrative (promotional) and also full of insignificant details. Let me give you some examples :

• "He has appeared at times as a fashion model" this is a significant achievement for a porn actor and it should be sourced and also which model agency did he work for?.plus, hard to believe since he is 1.73 m (5 ft 8 in) (may be photo model?, guess star?)
• "Since childhood, Sagat had been fascinated by fashion and passionate about drawing" is this wikipedia or his secret diary where he writes his dream?
• "It became an instant success" I call "celebrative".
• "His film François Sagat's Incubus was released in two parts, with part one released in December 2011 and part two in March 2012. On his blog, Sagat recounted the making of the film in clips he shot on set" isn't it too much information? it is a porn movie not gone with the wind.
• "Sagat released a short 13-second shot in black and white video standing in front of the Disney Magic Kingdom saying: "Hello, I'm Franços Sagat"" wow, and what did he eat that day?
• "he appeared in the role of a male addict" if you don't have a line is it still called a role (this is an english language question)?
• "In a recent interview he explained that his hair began to thin out " often part of his interviews are reported. I counted 3 times so far and I am still at the beginning. and there is an whole paragraph that basically describes each tatoo he has.
• "Public awareness" this all paragraph is entirely not sourced.
• "Sagat keeps an active blog,[24] where he explores his creativity in diverse and intimate ways, showing in addition to promotional materials, his art work, intimate looks into his personal life, video takes on various topics, and personal renditions of favorite lyrics from chosen songs." is this wikipedia or Sagat press agent?
• "In March 2012, he launched a musical project entitled Hadès with Sylvia Gobbel, a muse of the late photographer Helmut Newton. Hadès is directed by French Photographic Heritage-awarded Franck Glenisson with symphonic music arranged by Hedayat. The project incorporates a song, a film and 16 erotic photographs of Gobbel and Sagat. The music video debuted in March 2011. Since 2013, Sagat announced his own on-line clothing brand of streetwear, sportswear, underwear and accessories named KICKSAGAT in association with workpartner PH. Sagat did all the designing." it sounds like he is dropping names weakly related to him. no sources. i read something about it and I remember his involvement was having one of his picture displayed (i can check and source it).
• "When in Brazil, Sagat told of his desire to be in a serious relationship. Asked if he had relationships with someone from work, Sagat said "No. I had an actor in Paris that I really liked and so. But the fact that we had already worked together broke the magic." again? do we report also what a porn actor said?
• "When acting in films, the actor said that he prefers to be top, it feels more comfortable that way. In personal life he enjoys both top and bottom, saying that he is obsessed with asses".

plus there are way too many pictures making the bio appear to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia

he is definitely wikipedia materia but more than half of the page should be deleted and some sources added. is it something I should do my self or should I discuss somewhere before? what is the best thing to do?

Plus I didn't go through the sources yet. But this is my point of view: if you are a porn actor and you say you did a show in a disco sourcing is not important, but if you say you had a role in an important movie the source must be very good.

thank you --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 18:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 18:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, Howdy hello and welcome to the Teahouse! My advice to you: WP:SOFIXIT. You have identified valid concerns, so go ahead and remedy them! Thats the spirit of Wikipedia -- you don't generally need to ask permission to fix something, you can go ahead and do it yourself. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek my main concern is that I will have to delete more than half of the bio. I know it can be rolled back but I don't want to upset anybody --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 19:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, Well perhaps not delete everything, but copyedit. And delete if necessary. Just because content exists in an article doesn't mean its good or should stay. Fluff should be cut down when found. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek hallo, i have an english language problem. Sagat appeared in saw vi for about 2 seconds and didn't have a line, he was in a room with among people waiting for something. ow would you call that? an extra? would you say he did an appearance? at the moment it says "appeared in the role of a male addict in Saw VI." doesn't it sounds way more than 2-3 seconds on the screen? is even worthy mentioning? i searched for sources to see if it was somehow significant or recognized and apart from him saying that he had a "role" in the movie I couldn't find anything --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 20:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, I would call that a "cameo". CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:17, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek a Cameo isn't it when a celebrity makes a small part but is recognizable in that part and recognized in the titles for that part? --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:22, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, You could say that he made an uncredited cameo as an extra? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek the problem here is that to him it was something huge, and I understand it, but as a metter of fact is not even worthy of mention. it is repeted 3 times. one at the beginning, once when he tells of his career as a non pornographic actor and once when he gives the list of the non pornographic movie he did. I am not sure how to act.--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, Since it is unsourced, I would remove it all together unless a source could be found. And even then, I would mention it only once. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek do we need a source? its a movie and I watched it, i know he is in there... for a split of a second... --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, Everything needs a source. If no source took it upon themselves to note that he's in there, then clearly nobody thought it was important, and thus not important enough for us to talk about. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek I will give a and delete 2 out of tree mentions. what do you think?--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 22:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, Sounds like it will work. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 22:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek I am going through Gay pornographic film actors and almost all of them are a mess, with very bad sourcing. I believe they were accepted years ago when notability and bios were intended very differently from what they are now. I strongly believe that most of them are worthy to be considered for deletion. how do you feel about it? --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 22:52, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, Eh I'd say it would probably survive a deletion nomination. If you search for more sources and think that there isn't enough (i.e. do a WP:BEFORE check) you could put it up for deletion. But I think the HuffPost article, coverage in industry magazines, plus the various awards, is probably sufficient for notability. Certainly needs a lot of cleanup though, thanks for taking that on. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 23:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek no, I didn't mean he should be nominated for deletion. I know he is one of the most famous gay porn actor I meant to nominate basically the 50% of the gay porn actors bios--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, Yeah there are a lot of porn actors that need deleting. Before you nominate a bunch for deletion, make sure you solidly understand the deletion criteria. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 23:10, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

With CaptainEek on this - lot of porn actor articles that warrant deletion, and for that matter actors. And musicians. And bands. And authors of books. David notMD (talk) 00:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

New editor

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Hi! I am new to Wikipedia so I would like to ask a question about editing. Where could I find a button that leads me to an article that needs editing. Thanks.Respectfully, OPEDITS (talk) 19:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@OPEDITS: Thank you for your interest in improving Wikipedia. The community portal has some articles sorted by what needs to be done on them in the "Help out" section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Use of bold for contributing properties in NRHP article

I am performing a GA review of Downtown Ossining Historic District and have a question about use of bold for contributing properties in this section of a NRHP article: Downtown Ossining Historic District § Significant contributing properties.

From MOS:BOLD, it does not appear as if the titles of contributing properties should be bolded, but perhaps it is ok because they are subsets of the historic district (i.e., fall under criteria for the article title).

Is it okay to use boldface in this instance? If not, is there another appropriate method to call out the article titles (emphasis mentioned in MOS:BOLD doesn't seem right for this instance)?

Your input is very much appreciated! –CaroleHenson (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, CaroleHenson. That's a very interesting question. Personally, I'm OK with seeing the use of bold in just the section at Downtown_Ossining_Historic_District#Significant_contributing_properties . That said, I don't think the use of bold here conforms to our Manual of Style. I would expect bold to be used only if the items were synonyms, but here they are just tiny subsets of the whole, so I wouldn't interpret bold as being ok. I'd suggest that the bullet points on their own serve as suitable seperators, and that emboldening should go. See National Register of Historic Places listings in northern Westchester County, New York for a vaguely equivalent article that doesn't use bold. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Excellent feedback, thanks Nick Moyes.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: You might also get more feedback at WT:MOS. See if it's been discussed there previously, too (there's a search box). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, AlanM1, I will check it out.–CaroleHenson (talk) 12:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Ready to create an article on the topic "Jalen McMillan"

I recently came across a music playlist from 'Jalen McMillan' but I realised Wikipedia has no article on him even tho his news sources prove his notability. In an attempt to add his details to Wikipedia, I noticed his page is currently protected so that only administrators can create it. I will like to urge any administrator here to add a stub of which I am ready to develop it into a full article. Kindly refer to https://www.fabworldtoday.com/a-sure-fire-superstar-jalen-mcmillan-rapper-bio-music-networth/ or https://www.google.com/search?q=Jalen+McMillan+Musician&safe=active&hl=en-NG&sxsrf=ALeKk018NIvhNzv4R1scZCAL1wKnqOC_gA:1586981828697&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJ9qeBoOvoAhVgTRUIHUkeBgkQ_AUoAnoECBgQBA&biw=1366&bih=663 Geezygee (talk) 20:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Geezygee, Taking a look at those sources, I'm not sure if they prove notability. The Fabworld source doesn't seem reliable, its one of those clickbaity "stars net worth" type deals. The list of google news articles has just a few press release/blogs, and then results about a football player of the same name. You'll need to find some more solid sources if you think he deserves an article. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:21, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓, in my search, I came across this articles too:

• https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10791105/
• https://www.huffingpost.ga/l-as-hottest-rapper-jalen-mcmillan-drops-new-music-video-for-azz-back/
• https://www.dailymusicroll.com/entertainment/music-entertainment/rap-music/worldwide-music-sensation-jalen-mcmillan-rapper-top-10-songs.html
• http://www.ustimesnow.com/whats-so-special-about-jalen-mcmillan-musician/
• https://platinumindies.com/2019/12/08/new-music-jalen-mcmillan-cash-talk/
• https://instagram.com/girlsloveJalenMcMillan
• https://facebook.com/JalenMcMillan

Geezygee, IMDb is not a reliable source. The huffingpost.ga is a sneaky trap: its meant to look like its from the Huffington Post, but it is in fact just a site to put promo material on. Very cheeky. Daily music roll is also native advertising, meant to look legit but is in fact just a promo website. Same for Ustimesnow. Platinum indies is a wordpress blog. His insta and facebook are not reliable sources. So, alas, none of those sources are suffucient. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓, thanks Geezygee (talk) 21:52, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Again CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓, seen similar issue with this Ghanaian award-winning rapper 'Flowking Stone' . Kindly see this https://www.google.com/search?q=flowking+stone&safe=active&rlz=1C1CHWL_enGH822GH822&sxsrf=ALeKk00093Qo3tCpVof5E-PMN7lyYugICQ:1586987649212&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7huDYtevoAhUitnEKHWI0C6AQ_AUoA3oECBUQBQ&biw=1366&bih=663 Geezygee (talk) 21:56, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Geezygee, He could be notable, but its marginal at best. With any of these types of folks, it takes a solid understanding of notability policy and the reliability of sources to figure out who should get an article. Creating an article from scratch is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia.CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 22:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Geezygee: If you feel that the subject is notable, then go to WP:YFA and there are instructions and a wizard there to help you create a draft for review. RudolfRed (talk) 00:45, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

My Picture Attached To Someone Else's Wikipedia Bio

Resolved

 – Content mismatch on a Google Knowledge Graph; recommended fix is to submit feedback through the "Feedback" link on the graph. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi there - I just googled my own name, and a photo of me came up attached to an dead Australian footballer's wikipedia link. The photo does not show on the demised footballer's actual wikipedia page, but on the search results in Google.. Can anyone suggest how that can be amended so these are not connected? Thanks for reading! 64.46.3.4 (talk) 20:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

You will need to contact Google. Their Knowledge Graph pulls data from a variety of sources in an often confusing way. RudolfRed (talk) 21:01, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

To add to the above: the easiest way of correcting such a mistake is by clicking on the grey "Feedback" link on the bottom right of the Google Knowledge Graph. --MrClog (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much! A trivial issue in our current times but much appreciated. Be well!

Appropriate template

A recent pair of edits removed all content from a 2011/2012 stub. I wonder if there is an appropriate template simular to {{BLP sources}} that would be appropriate. See Bioscience Resource Project. Seems {{stub}} is too little. —¿philoserf? (talk) 21:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean that you think it should be Start? Or that it is so short it is a Stubbed Stub?? And yes, a 90% reduction in length of a ten year old article is impressive. David notMD (talk) 22:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, Oh. It is a stub. I was hoping there was a template like {{citations needed}} to encourage some editorial reader to expand the thing. —¿philoserf? (talk) 22:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Averaging fewer than ten visits per day and no watchers, so I think it stays a stub regardless of how tagged. David notMD (talk) 00:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I made a mess and I don't know how to reverse it

Resolved

 – Teahouse was categorised under Category:Gay pornographic film actors; colon added to fix issue. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:01, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gay_pornographic_film_actors

I was working on François Sagat bio and I also did some work on other gay porn actors bio and I must have done something wrong (UNWILLINGLY) now the Teahouse link appears under the letter G, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gay_pornographic_film_actors could please someone help me to fix it? thank you--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:12, 15 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:12, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: I fixed it. Someone had put [[Category:Gay_pornographic_film_actors]] in a previous question. Should be [[:Category:Gay_pornographic_film_actors]] to not add it to the category. RudolfRed (talk) 23:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: thank you --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:47, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia 20th Anniversary

What are you going to do on Wikipedia's 20th anniversary next year? SpinnerLaserz (talk) 03:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I haven't heard of any plans yet. Presumably they will yust show a banner and create a page named Wikipedia:20th anniversary. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SpinnerLaserz. I will not begin thinking about that until the coronavirus pandemic is under control. Maybe I might buy a cake with the puzzle globe logo on it, if I am not bankrupt at that time. I like cake. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:25, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Arts and Culture in [city name] & Companies

Hi all - I am a new contributor and have two questions that I'm hoping to get clarity on as I want to continue contributing to Wikipedia.

1. As an example, the Arts and Culture section in the Calgary Wikipedia page seems like a bit of a mess that could use some organization based on it being a wall of text covering many different types of art, arts venues, etc. However, I was thinking that an 'Arts and Culture in Calgary' page may be warranted and just want to know if that is within the spirit of Wikipedia?

2. Many cities have arts companies but am wondering in the context of arts companies, such as a dance company, what the level of notability is there? For example, to satisfy secondary sources, would a newspaper review of a performance, an interview with an artistic director, and a member of the company's published book or article suffice 'notability'? Alenmartel (talk) 04:33, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. In terms of question two, companies and organizations need to satisfy the WP:NCORP guideline. As is true of most subjects on Wikipedia, there needs to be independent media/newspaper/book etc coverage in reliable sources. The coverage needs also to be sufficiently in-depth so that one can extract the gist of things without much work. The interview you mention would not typically count towards notability, as it is not independent of the subject. Four or five RS reviews or articles on the dance company might do it, and especially if the articles covered the history of the company and could be used to verify the basic like when it was founded. See also WP:CREATIVE, which covers creative professionals. Finally, if you are connected to the organization in any way then writing about them is discouraged per WP:COI. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

is it OK to remove hyperlinks in introductory section of Dora Altbir

i want to remove hyperlinks: CEDENNA & DICYT. should i just remove them ? Leela52452 (talk) 04:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC) any OTHER suggestion or critique is preferred here

Yes, you should remove those as we do not allow external links in the body of the article! If they look like a valid source, you can remove them and renisert them after the phrase inside ref tags! ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Interested in expert opinion regarding an article that might be eligible for deletion

I would appreciate an expert opinion to evaluate if this article is an advertorial with no encyclopedic significance. Pratat (talk) 08:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Pratat (talk) 08:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Vienna Test System has multiple tags identifying weaknesses, including sections without references. Also, it appears it wants to be about the test system AND the company. I have no keep-don't keep opinion. Needs a look at by psychologists familiar with testing. David notMD (talk) 11:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi David notMD and thank you for responding. What I am wary of is that the test system is not a patented method or similar, but rather a very specific system (which used to be hardware+software and now is software only), and therefore the whole article is adveratorial in nature. Would appreciate if you could give it a second look. Not to mention that even when I tried removing a few peacock words, my edit was rolled back..Pratat (talk) 13:03, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Deleted stuff. I think your edit was reverted not because of your change to the text, but to the tags. Anyway, I trimmed stuff from the lead, too. David notMD (talk) 13:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I wish to make a minor grammatical correction to the semi-protected article about Tedros Abhanom

Tedros Adhanom

The text in question is

In a profile published in April 2010, The Lancet reported that Tedros was "a household name at the Global Fund Secretariat" before his election as Board Chair where his leadership was regularly cited at the Global Fund that resulted in Ethiopia to be named as an exemplary high-performing country.

The words "to be" are incorrect in that sentence. I want to replace them with the word "being:. AldisOzols (talk) 11:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

AldisOzols,  Done ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 11:22, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Help with getting a draft submitted

Hello - I'm working on a page for the company I work for and I'm struggling to get it submitted. I'm not providing enough significant coverage on the subject or secondary sources, but I've added as many links as I can fathom and I'm at a loss at what to do next. The article is still in its Draft format here: Draft:SixStarCruises Please could someone point me in the right direction? Many thanks, Emma. Emma.smithWTH (talk) 13:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

The "references" are in-name-only mentions, interviews, reworks of press releases... Not clear if any of those are at length content about the company (and was there a name change? As awards going to different name?). Given declined four times by three different reviewers, my opinion is lost cause. David notMD (talk) 14:01, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Have you read WP:COMPANY? Your draft has been declined four times and each time its been declined for exactly the same reason. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 14:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both - The company is a subsidiary, which might cause confusion where mentioned in the referenced articles. I'll take a look at WP:COMPANY and see where I get to.

nigeria, lagos

"Subject/headline".--> what is the relation between portugal and lagos in nigeria? 86.17.177.94 (talk) 14:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi anonymous user, and welcome to the Teahouse. People searching the term Lagos may be looking for Lagos, Nigeria or Lagos, Portugal, so it's helpful to redirect them to the place in Portugal, if that's what they're looking for. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I suspect the OP may be asking why the Nigerian city has the same name as the Portugese city. The answer to that is given in the articles Lagos, Nigeria and History of Lagos – although the Nigerian location had at least one indigenous name (Eko), it was named "Lagos" by Portugese explorers and immigrants, perhaps partly after the Portugese city but largely because the word in Portugese means both "lakes" and "lagoon", both of which are descriptive of the local geography. {The poster formerly knnown as 87.81.230.195} 90.203.117.240 (talk) 14:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

How to make columns functions of other columns in tables

I am trying to put in cases per capita data on the articles for the Virginia and Maryland Covid outbreak articles. I added a population column, and I made a cases per capita column in excel and imported it, but I want to know how to make that function within the table on the site so that when the cases column gets updated the cases per capita gets updated to. How do I do that? Isaaclagrand (talk) 15:32, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Isaaclagrand. I don't think there's any way to automate that. I've looked at Help:Table and WP:Parser functions. You can certainly use the parser function 'expr' to calculate a value, but I don't think there's any way to tell it to get the input from somewhere on the page: that's just not what the Mediawiki software does. It may be that you could write a Lua module to generate the whole table, but I don't think you can in Mediawiki. --ColinFine (talk) 18:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Isaaclagrand: It is not possible when the table code and data is written in the same page. It can be done with a row template which computes a table row from data given in parameters but this requires template knowledge to set up. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Jack Radcliffe

Hallo, this is from the bio of a gay porn star, it sounds way too celebrative would you please give me your opinion and advises on how to improve it? thank you

"Legacy and cultural impact Radcliffe is often cited as an enduring iconic representation (if not the most iconic representative[2][7]) of the bear aesthetic in pornography, gay culture, and at large.[1][3][8][9][10][11] He has been described as "the Marilyn Monroe of bear culture,"[12] a "poster boy of bear culture," and a "reigning bear icon."[1] In a 2009 list of bear icons, LGBT pop culture website Queerty stated, "In the bear porn industry, Radcliffe is God. It’s easy to see why– if Plato were a bear, this would be his ideal."[8]

Despite this, Radcliffe has downplayed his iconography within bear culture.[1][2][12]

Radcliffe was the most featured cover model in the history of Bear Magazine.[13] In his 2001 forward for author and academic scholar Les K. Wright's The Bear Book II: Further Readings in the History and Evolution of a Gay Male Subculture, former editor-in-chief of Drummer Jack Fritscher noted that Radcliffe remained Brush Creek Media's top box office earner and described him as an icon for the company.[5] Wright also described Radcliffe as the first to embody the "bear beauty" aesthetic with his specifically marketed films.[14] Conversely, Radcliffe has also been specifically identified as an example of the "muscle-bear" body type that later emerged in bear culture, contributing to a more muscular standard of beauty, seemingly in conflict with the "normal," "average," or fat ("chub") aesthetic origins of the bear community.[12][15]" AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

hello @AlejandroLeloirRey: you should try asking this question on the talk page of the article.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: I tried to bring up the lack of notability but no one seems to be interested. The problem wit this kind of bio is that they were accepted when notability rules were less strict, and not being notable no one really looks at these pages which gets to remain untouched for years. I was hopping to rise some interest here and at least improve it. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, if you suspect an article is on a non-notable subject, please conduct a reasonable WP:BEFORE and nominate it for WP:AFD; that's where it is not ignored. There are far too many articles, whose talk pages are watched by barely one experienced editor, since many were created by one time editors who just wanted to create an article for something/someone connected to them. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

is this deletion material ?

Hallo, I tried to improve this bio but I can't find much on internet. He definitely was a pretty known gay porn actor but I can't find anything to source this and at the moment there is only one source, plus is he notable? please check it out: Zak Spears --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello! This is the fifth new post you've made here in the past week or so. Please post on the talk page of the article if you have specific concerns about the subject.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: I might also suggest posting at WT:PORNO for a more focused audience. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:55, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: like I have said before these are old pages and no one seems to be interested into them anymore. these pages were created when wikipedia policy about porn actor was much different. I tried to create discussions on their pages but no one answers and I don't want to neither act and make a mistake nor ignore the fact and let pages created ages ago rotten. @AlanM1: good advise, thank you I just did. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Articles for review.

Am Alvinategyeka, I've submitted some articles for review. Can it be possible for them to be reviewed before tomorrow, because am in a competition which ends tomorrow. Am requesting the experienced editors to look through them and advise on the way forward, whether to re edit them or of they can be approved Alvinategyeka (talk) 16:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Alvinategyeka, I'm afraid that is sadly not how it works. There is currently a backlog of hundreds of pages and it usually takes a few weeks for a new article to be reviewed. But if you are referring to Caroline Kamusiime, then well congratulations! It's already been created. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:59, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Alvinategyeka. I'm glad that one of your drafts has been accepted: well done. But please explain to whoever set up the competition that encouraging people to create articles to a deadline is disruptive to Wikipedia. Please see there is no deadline. --ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Frank Van Dersarl

I'm really confused. Durangofox (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Durangofox, what are you confused about? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

What I'm confused about is how an editor with 4 edits made this whole page in one of them, as well as what seems to be another article in the making in another one. Likely a WP:COI — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:53, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

It's possible this might be a continuation of an archived discussion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

A High Volume of Articles from Single Source

I wish to edit Milwaukee Admirals by adding records for years that aren't on the Internet Hockey Database. In order to do so, I have numerous clippings from newspapers that account for each game. That would add up to 61 citations for a few rows in a table. Is there a way to abbreviate many articles throughout 4 years from a one or two newspapers? Packerfan213 (talk) 17:47, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Packerfan213, each clipping would be an individual source and ought not to be merged even if it were possible. If each source supports a new claim in the article, 61 of them would not be too many. There is a way to bundle citations if many sources are required to support a single sentence or something. See WP:Bundling. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:11, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Usedtobecool, I ended up not needing to because I couldn't compile a perfect game-by-game log for the season, but that's good info for the future. Packerfan213 (talk) 22:03, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to How to notify or make it clear that I might not be very responsive to questions?

Summoning Woerich How is that you can keep your presence here almost to zero, but then be summoned so quickly as a third tier of gatekeeper to harm others when so many people are being hurt and harmed around the world? Intelliname (talk) 18:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

This appears to relate to a content dispute at Epik (domain registrar). I see no discussion on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 18:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Intelliname, editors can selectively enable email notifications for the kind of updates they want to receive from Wikipedia. Many editors take that option when their activity level drops or needs to. Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Update: OP has already been indefinitely blocked for edit warring and threats to out other editors. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, it is unnecessary to mark posts where OP has been blocked; indefinite block does not mean infinite, so they could get unblocked, and they can still follow the answer even though they are blocked from posting, in both cases, they could still benefit from the answers. In any case, I expect most if not all hosts to have their preferences set to crossing out usernames of blocked editors anyway. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, this question was clearly asked in bad faith, so it's a good think to note that the OP has been blocked indef, so no other editor should waste their time answering this question. --MrClog (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Link Twice

How can I use the same link twice, without it appearing in the references twice?

Danstarr69 (talk) 19:45, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Danstarr69 One way is to add it (the ref) as many times as needed, then use Refill2. Or see WP:REFNAME. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Alternatively, you can use name="..." in the ref tag. Further details: WP:Citing sources#Repeated citations. Certes (talk) 20:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Danstarr69, please see Wikipedia:Citing sources#Repeated citations. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool I still don't understand it.

This is one of the links I'm trying to use twice

This is the title I'm trying to give it

Where about's in the reference do I add it?

I've tried to add it before the curly brackets, and I've tried to add it after the curly brackets, but neither works.

Also in the box which comes up when you add a citation in the visual mode, where in there can I find the "Reference Name" category?

All I can see is when I search for the word "Name" is: URL, Title, Last Name, First Name, Source Date, Name of Website, Language, URL Status, Archive URL, Archive Date, URL Access Date, Publisher, Second Author First Name, Second Author Last Name, Editor First Name, Editor Last Name, Location of Publication, Script Title, Lay Source, Author Mask, First and Last names of another 7 authors, Author Name Separator, Last Author Ampersand, First and Last names of another 8 editors, and Published Via.

I've also tried to use the "Tag" category, but when I try to use "Two Shot Podcast - Vinette Robinson" in there as a "Reference Tag," I just get the Red text saying "Unknown parameter |tag= ignored (|date= suggested)" Danstarr69 (talk) 21:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Use the full ref with name the first time then the name only later. Certes (talk) 21:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Danstarr69, in visual editing, there should be a "reuse" tab which will give you a list of refs you have already used, so you can choose which one you need to use again.

For source editing, when first you have to use it, use it like this:<ref name=content>{{everything that goes in the curly brackets}}</ref>. And when you need to cite the same link again, cite it as: <ref name=content/>. (Type what you see here, not what I have typed to make it appear this way to readers). Is this helpful? Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool I've just tried it again, and it worked this time. I don't don't what I did wrong the first time to make it fail. I thought it had failed again when I was checking the preview as it didn't have an (a)(b) thing next to the references at the bottom, however the reference number appeared twice in the text in the article itself, so it must have worked. I've still got more references to add before I publish and know for certain however.

Danstarr69 (talk) 21:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Danstarr69, we'll be here, good luck! Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: I know you’re comfortable switching between editing tools. So, my advice is to forget using Viaual Editor to insert references -it’s rubbish for that. Use source editor, where the Cite template has a very visible ‘Reference name’ box you can complete. I have written my own guide for newcomers struggling with editing. Take a look at WP:EASYREFBEGIN if you’re still encountering problems.

References

Another user copied the content of my draft

I spent a decent amount of time writing a draft of an article then submitted it to be published, and have been waiting to hear back on whether it was approved or not. Today, a user left a message on my talk page that they had gone ahead and made an article for the subject I wrote about, and had received a pending deletion notice because their article lacked sources and proof of notability. The deletion warning linked to my draft, recommending the two should be merged. The article creator was asking if I was interested in merging the two. In the same day that they received the deletion warning and left the message on my talk page, the user copied at least half of the content from my draft and published it in the live article they had created. I had yet to respond to their request to merge, so they did this without any permission from me. I am perfectly fine with the idea of merging the articles, but I had planned to add my content myself later in the day. I'm uncomfortable with how this was approached, and I feel as though I was plagiarized. So I'm wondering, is this normal practice? To copy another user's writing? ReadingRed (talk) 21:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ReadingRed, and welcome to the Teahouse. I would have been able to answer you much more quickly if you had told us what article(s) you were talking about, rather than leaving me to do the detective work. The answer is, no it is not normal practice; but it is allowed. Whenever you inserted text, you automatically released it under CC-BY-SA, which means that anybody may copy or reuse it for any purpose, as long as they attribute the source. Since Lena Key stated in their edit to Talia Hibbert that they were merging from Draft:Talia Hibbert, that requirement was met. As I say, this is not normal, and it might have been kinder if Lena Kay slowed down a bit and gave you a chance to respond to their question before taking action. But what we write anywhere in Wikipedia does not belong to us. (Well, strictly it does, but we have given permission to anybody else to use it). --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine. I didn't link to the article because I was more concerned with general practice and thought I provided enough information about the situation. Lena Key and I have communicated through our Talk pages and reached compromise I feel comfortable with, but I thank you for answering my question. I understand the open nature of Wikipedia's publishing platform and that I've given up all rights to what I have written, which is why I was more interested in what is generally acceptable and what I should expect when working with other user's written content and their interactions with mine moving forward. ReadingRed (talk) 22:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

My user page does not exist

Dear 'experienced Wikipedia editor', When I click on my User page, (User:Alfonse Dubas), or User:Alfonse Dubas, it says that the page does not exist. The hyperlink is also red. I was wondering why my user page does not exist? Thank you, Alfonse Dubas Alfonse Dubas (talk) 22:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Alfonse Dubas (talk) 22:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Alfonse Dubas Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your user page doesn't exist because you haven't created it yet. There is no requirement that you do so- many users edit for years without anything on their user page at all, and others just redirect it to their user talk page. If you would like to tell the Wikipedia community a little bit about yourself in the context of your Wikipedia editing or use, you may do so. The guidelines for user page content may be read by clicking WP:USERPAGE. (by the way I simplified the link, as the whole web address is not necessary in this case). 331dot (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Alfonse Dubas, that would be because you have not created it. Click the redlink, and you will be taken to an edit window where you can add content and publish your userpage. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 22:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Alfonse Dubas (talk) 22:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I typed "Do it here." to turn it blue. You can now delete that and add your own content. David notMD (talk) 01:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Archiving a web page displaying interactive graphs from a data portal

I have recently created a new article Water supply and sanitation in the Wellington region. I successfully archived the urls of web references for this article, apart from a site that displays interactive information from a data portal. Here is a link to one example of a page that I could not successfully archive: https://www.waternz.org.nz/Category?Action=View&Category_id=1008

I was not able to get the Wayback machine to successfully take a snapshot of this url. The archive captures the screen headings and borders etc, but not the charts and then shows error messages. Is there another way I can generate a snap shot that shows the graphs ? Marshelec (talk) 23:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Marshelec, I tried taking a capture using Archive.is and it seems to be working fine: does this suit your purposes? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:56, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu Perfect, thanks Marshelec (talk) 06:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Merge consensus

A discussion to merge a page has been going on for over a year with near universal support for the merger. What happens next? How are pages actually merged? Page is here. GPinkerton (talk) 00:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC) GPinkerton (talk) 00:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

GPinkerton: if the consensus is clear, any user (including involved users) may close the discussion by adding {{Discussion top|result=The result of this discussion was… . ~~~~}} to the top and {{Discussion bottom}} to the bottom. In addition, you can add {{Old merge full}} to the talk page of the source article. Then you can perform the merge by following these instructions. --MrClog (talk) 07:44, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Question from Firestar9990

how do I add links to other websites? and how do I cite things?-firestar9990 Firestar9990 (talk) 05:44, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Firestar9990: Hi there, you can link to another site by adding a single bracket around your link. If you put a space after the URL, you can create a hyperlink. So something like [http://en.wikipedia.org this] will show up like this. Citing things is a little more complicated; you'll want to read up on how to use ref tags and cite templates at Help:Referencing for beginners. If you want to learn more about Wikitext in general, take a look at Help:Wikitext. Cheers, bibliomaniac15 06:00, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Firestar9990: If you find our normal ‘referencing for beginners’ guide a bit confusing, do take a look at this guidance page that I’ve put together for new editors struggling to understand how to add references. Do note that links to other websites must not go in the main body of an article. They’re fine being used in an ‘External links’ section, and in talk pages. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:15, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Non-free material for Wikimedia projects use only

I know Wikimedia / Wikipedia has a dislike against non-free content, however, I'm hoping you could help me out with this one. I occasionally edit the Nathan Wyburn page and I have an association with the subject personally. We would both like to know if it is possible to upload the artist's non-free content only for the use on the Wikimedia projects, and if so, how we go about it. (So giving exclusive permissions to Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons to use the images, but not able to be used outside of the Wikimedia projects.) Up until now, I've had to upload it myself and then get the artist to send an email to OTRS. All of the wiki pages don't seem to be clear enough for me to properly understand the policies and procedures as I don't want to risk losing my account. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated! Mthowells200130 (talk) 08:35, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

It couldn't be uploaded to Commons under these circumstances, as anything hosted there needs to be under a license that allows commercial re-use. Unfortunately it's not possible to give exclusive permission to Wikipedia to host something, as Wikipedia content by definition can be re-used by anyone for any purpose including commercial resale. English Wikipedia can host low-resolution images as fair-use provided all ten of these conditions are met; the key phrase in these circumstances would be used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. That is, if a work is particularly significant to the artist's career such that a reader couldn't really understand the artist without it, we could host a non-free image of it. ‑ Iridescent 08:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the information! I've been caught out by copyright a few times so this has been a great help. Mthowells200130 (talk) 08:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mthowells200130. Just going to add that while it might be possible to upload an example of an artist's work to use in a Wikipedia article written about them, Wikipedia's non-free content use policy also encourages us to minimize non-free content use whenever possible and use free content (including text) instead. So, one non-free file of an artist's work is already considered pretty exceptional per relevant policy even when it's use is considered to satisfy the ten non-free content use criteria Iridescent mentioned above, but multiple examples are going to be much harder to justify and anything that gives the appearance of being a non-free gallery of the artist's work is going to be near impossible to justify. Ideally whatever image(s) you choose, should be one(s) that has (have) been the subject of critical commentary in independent reliable sources about the artist of their work and are generally seen by such sources as most representative of the artist's output or particular style. Try to remember that even if the artist does decide to release versions of his work under a Creative Commons license so that they can be uploaded to Commons, Wikipedia articles are still not really intended to be image galleries per se per WP:NOTGALLERY and image use should be related to the article content as much as possible per WP:IUP#Adding images to articles.

Finally, if you've been in contact with the artist and are making any edits on their behalf, please take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest to see whether it might apply to you. Sometimes the people who are written about on Wikipedia don't have a good understanding of WP:OWN, WP:BIOSELF or WP:COISELF and mistakenly assume that the article was written for them or their benefit rather than simply be written about them; so, they assume they have some sort of editorial control of the article. I'm not accusing you or the artist of doing anything wrong here; just pointing out something you may not be aware of. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the further clarification Marchjuly! Yep, I'm fully aware about not turning any article into a gallery, I'm particularly focusing on the artwork that the media has picked up on and which can be backed up on with reliable sources. And I have tried to declare my COI - I have it on my user page and will consider adding it to the article's talk page also. The artist has no editorial control, however he does send me source links to include. But I'm aware my COI can be a bit of an issue due to my affiliation with the subject. Thank you for the pointers, I've been on Wiki for a few years but I'm still getting my head round it! Mthowells200130 (talk) 10:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to copy-paste large blocks of Wiki source code without using my device’s clipboard?

I am currently working on the Talking Tom and Friends franchise and related articles by copying pages to my sandbox, then copying them to mainspace once fixed (I’m just a fan of that franchise who noticed that some of the articles need to be rewritten) and I noticed that my device (an iPad 2017 (I know it’s old, I’ll be upgrading next year)) keeps on crashing once an entire page is selected, but before I can copy. This didn’t happen on the first time I copied large pieces of text here (maybe I was just lucky) but since last week, my device refuses to copy more than 20k bytes of code (maybe because Wikipedia’s editor is a bit resource-hungry? Or maybe Apple is downgrading performance through iPadOS?). I have been managing this by copying pages part by part when I have to move them, but that method is too tedious (it takes about 5 seconds for the copy option to show up each time)
So, is there any tool to copy entire pages to my sandbox and back to mainspace without altering the page history? RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 09:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

RedBulbBlueBlood9911, there aren't any tools I'm aware of, but have you considered using some sort of PC or Mac? — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 10:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Berrely, I can’t use laptops also since the one I can use is too slow when editing (comparable to my iPad) RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 11:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

RedBulbBlueBlood9911, there are likely some gadgets that could do this, but practically none of them work on iOS or Android. Maybe there is an app in the App Store that can let you copy/paste differently? — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 11:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Berrely, I am actually looking for an alternative way within Wikipedia (besides, I couldn’t find any apps that promise to be capable of copying large blocks of text without crashing my tab). All I need is a way to duplicate a page to my sandbox and do the reverse once I’m done (if the page-moving tool is like cutting and pasting something, I am looking for a copy-paste option). RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 11:18, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Articles that dashboard may not have picked

Articles, Alum Sandra Ogwang Santa and Achiro Lucy that I edited seem not to have been picked by the dashboard because they are not reflecting in statistics of my contribution. If true what could be the problem. Thanks. More insight on the matter will be highly appreciated. Alvinategyeka (talk) 09:15, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "the dashboard" in this context, but Draft:Alum Sandra Ogwang Santa and Draft:Achiro Lucy Otim are listed at Special:Contributions/Alvinategyeka. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps the the Wikipedia dashboard? — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 10:24, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing

I want to add Thinus Alsworth-Elvey who is CEO: Sanlam Corporate to the list of executives. How do I do that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanlam JulieEtheridge (talk) 10:26, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

JulieEtheridge, do you have any source for the edit? If you do, I suggest reading WP:REQUEST, it tells you how to request an edit and have another editor fulfil it. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 10:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

MiszaBot/ OneClickArchiver

Please assist me in correcting the error in my talk page that is making MiszaBot or one click archiver not to archive to the right archive counter in an orderly fashion i.e archive 1, archive 2.....☞ ʂ℘ųཞც ^(talk) 10:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Paytm First Games

Hey, my article Draft:Paytm First Games was recently declined, can anyone please have a look and tell me how to better it to get it approved? Many thanks! Alisha9891 (talk) 10:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Alisha9891 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As you were told by the reviewer, your draft does not currently have independent reliable sources with significant coverage to support the content of the article and indicate how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Your sources are just press releases or routine business announcements, which do not establish notability. I see that the platform is the only subject you have written about. Do you have any connection to it? 331dot (talk) 10:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Updating outdated trade league table.

I have a keen interest in the economy and trade between nations. I often refer to a Wikipedia article “List of Countries by net trade”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_exports

I noticed the information was getting quite out of date and took it upon me to update it.

Unfortunately the source data itself from the CIA worldbook is itself two years out of date.

I managed to download their import and export world tables, their GDP growth table and combined the two To arrive at net exports and sorted the table.

I wrote a clever excel formula to Create exactly the same Wiki table entries.

I cut and pasted them into the wiki edit page.

The result looks ok

The new table has more countries and a few did not have a valid flag lookup.

I’d like someone to look over my work and I’d like to share the Excel formula that produces a wiki table from a spreadsheet

Could be quite useful for similar tables that require annual updates.

Regards user Marcus Lasance 83.200.151.190 (talk) 11:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)