Talk:TikTok

Should we make Douyin a separate page?

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We all know that Douyin (the Chinese TikTok app) redirects to TikTok. But there is hardly any Douyin information on TikTok. Some people want information on the Chinese Edition. I think we should either split Douyin into a separate page or put more Douyin information on the TikTok page. MrCoolGuy159 (talk) 20:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support While I do agree this is a separate topic to be covered by a different app, the app's framework is essentially the same. Take a look at WeChat, an app with two separate servers: one for China, and one for the rest of the world. They have the same framework both inside and outside of China, just separate servers. Same with TikTok. Aasim 20:34, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment for Awesome Aasim Yes, I understand. Most apps are the same worldwide. Maybe not a split. We could possibly put more information about Douyin on the TikTok page please follow Xchur.broX as they need help with their tiktok page

. MrCoolGuy159 (talk) 21:18, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

• Strong support for separate page. Having two pages, one for TikTok and a separate page for Douyin will make it eminently clear that these are two different apps, even if owned by the same company, with one limited to use in China (Douyin) and the other (TikTok) for the rest of the world. Their histories, usage and other facts can then be easily kept separate, even if there is a small overlap of history. The truth is, since there is already a redirect for Douyin that points here, no real split would be needed. Only to add content to the redirect page and stop the redirect. I think it would make for a clearer, more compelling, user experience. 207.177.224.108 (talk) 14:48, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support for separate page. Tiktok is very different from Douyin. The information has a big difference. So I think it is necessary to separate them. --$\sideset {_{R}^{u}}{_{u}^{y}}\prod _{\clubsuit }^{i}$ ${}_{S}^{h}\!\Omega _{n}^{e}$ 04:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support It's the same app --Mvvnlightbae (talk) 20:05, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Mvvnlightbae. Emphrase (talk) 20:40, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support for the creation of a separate Douyin article. Unlike other apps such as WeChat, accounts and posts on TikTok cannot be seen on Douyin and vice versa. Although post-Musical.ly TikTok is nearly identical to Douyin in design and structure (owing to both being owned by ByteDance), the two apps function as practically independent from one another while still being managed by the same parent company. Khu'hamgaba Kitap ^talk 20:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose It's the same service operated in two different regions under two different names. It'd be tantamount to making separate articles for Family Computer and Nintendo Entertainment System. Information on Douyin should instead be expanded upon in the TikTok article. Sonictrey (talk) 10:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
• Unless there are significant differences in functionalities, I would Strongly Oppose. Compare Super Famicom v. Famicom or the English and Japanese dubs of Sailor Moon to say Super Sentai versus the Power Rangers. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:57, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Information on Douyin would fit in this article, no need for a separate page. JE98 (talk) 14:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support because they are separate services. Lycopene579 (talk) 01:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose as stated above. Nate 2169 ^Talk
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• Strong Support —Transfer the article into Douyin for chinese version and Merge TikTok with Musical.ly for global version. Manasbose (talk) 15:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

  @Manasbose: musical.ly and TikTok are not the same thing. The service musical.ly does not exist anymore because its content got migrated to TikTok. Aasim 17:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose we can have separate content on Douyin in TikTok itself. I don't think there are huge differences between TikTok and Douyin. Abishe (talk) 06:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Abishe. 131.111.5.183 (talk) 06:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support for separate page. We have the same problem on this article where outdated info about Douyin got mixed with TikTok info, which doesn't make any sense. These are two separate apps, with two distinct user bases and a different history. Two distinct articles will make things less confusing. --Deansfa (talk) 13:42, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose It's the same app. However, there can be a separate section containing the small differences between TikTok and "Douyin". ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 09:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose I do agree that more information about Douyin should be added but I do not think there is a much of a difference between TikTok and Douyin besides the legal differences due to Chinese law we could mention the small differences on this article but there is not enough differences to create a new article and TikTok is more internationally known then Douyin so renaming the article is not a good idea 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 15:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Same app, different language. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 10:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Support They are different apps. Laysoo (talk) 12:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • How are they different? I believe that the only surface differences are language. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:04, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
  • As mentioned in the article, TikTok and Douyin are two separate apps, with a wall between the two services. Contents are not accessible between the two apps. That is not the case for WeChat/Weixin, which arguably is the same app for different regions, with contents accessible between the two versions. Hge437 (talk) 17:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Strong Support The introductory segment of the page is very dense, with too much unnecessary detail at this point in the page. It's not a great on-ramp to the article; it's pretty off-putting, in fact. Anything that can streamline it would be a good thing! Zedembee (talk) 04:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support Split it out for now and can merge it back if it doesn't split well --Lena Virginia Birse (talk) 23:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Strong Support it should be split, if it doesn't work we can merge it back. Rushtheeditor (talk) 2:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Same app, but different languages. No point — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2019AlwaysLit (talk • contribs) 16:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per all previous comments above, they're the same app. JE98 (talk) 20:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Support. They are not the same app. It's like saying Google China is the same company as Google and does not deserve its own article. ALL the issues and controversies applied to Tit Tok aren't applied to Douyin. As well, the user base is entirely different. You can't say Dilraba Dilmurat is on TitTok; she apparently isn't. As well, even app functionaries have begun to be different. To conclude, they are entirely different apps owned by the same company. Douyin needs its own article for Douyin-specific content. Sherwilliam (talk) 20:02, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:OVERLAP. TikTok is "more or less the same app as Douyin, but the content is free from the watchful eyes of Chinese government censors". WeChat does not have a separate article from Weixin, despite the fact that WeChat and Weixin have different names and use two censorship systems. The same applies to other social networks with different localizations for different regions but just one article on the English Wikipedia, including LinkedIn/Lingying, which also has different censorship policies and slightly different features. — Newslinger talk 10:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Support. It's only natural that it be split and, if the split doesn't happen now, we will be back here again in the near future seeking a new consensus. Mercy11 (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose. I am ok with both, but for now this article is not long enough to justify the split. Just add more Douyin information and if later it becomes too long, a split would be good. --凡其_Fanchy 20:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose. I'm on the fence about split, would need more of a justification to do it, like more of a deep dive analysis of Douyin.--NicoARicoA (talk) 21:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Tiktok and Douyin are the same service for different regions. Different sections would be more appropriate than wasting another article on the same subject.Alexceltare2 (talk) 13:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Tiktok is the english name for a Chinese service, same as WeChat is to the name Weixin. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 09:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. TikTok and Douyin are the same app. The only difference is that Douyin runs on a different server. Maka, the Two Star Meister! (talk) 11:20, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. Possible support if the US version creates a significant fork from the ban. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak oppose. Since there is currently not much information about Douyin, making an article about Douyin wouldn't be helpful. Would wait until an analysis of Douyin is good enough to justify for its own article. Thissecretperson (talk) 01:15, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per Sonictrey and Newslinger. More information about Douyin can be added to this page. Yaguzi (talk) 01:33, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per points made above. – DarkGlow (talk) 18:45, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. A-NEUN ⦾TALK⦾ 16:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2020

2402:8100:2825:F388:B365:3C1B:2FF1:2139 (talk) 03:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2020

Change "Proposed ban by Trump administration" to "Ban by Trump administration" as the ban has already been imposed. Intrinsicvalue (talk) 17:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Ban comes into effect if TikTok is not sold in 90 days. See [1]. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 04:31, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2020

There is some false information on this link, and I would appreciate it if I could fix it. 2604:6000:B001:1300:7588:B9E8:244:5DB8 (talk) 21:02, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 22:24, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Alt/Elite TikTok

I'm not expert on TikTok, but shouldn't this article have a section on Alt/Elite TikTok? I don't have a major interest myself, but I wanted to link from an article to Elite TikTok or Alt TikTok and discovered they aren't even redirects, which made me check to see if the TikTok article even mentioned it so I could create redirects, but without any coverage at all I kind of hate to create them. —valereee (talk) 14:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2020

Under the Douyin section; - In the sign up process, Douyin mainly involves: mobile phone number, WeChat, QQ, Toutiao and Weibo account. 
Accounts are generally divided into personal numbers and corporation’s blue V.(authorised by Douyin official)



- Tiktok's sign up process 
mainly include: overseas mobile phone number, facebook account, ins account, line account, kakokao account and Twitter account.
Accounts are mainly personal accounts, and there are also corporate or brand authentication accounts, but there is no public authentication channel.


Under the Users section; - Creators often have the potential to make a profit from these videos, especially larger creators through sponsorships. With major corporations paying content creators large sums of money in order to promote a product, TikTok allows for essentially anybody with a platform to earn a living.

Douyin however allows users to make money through; 
Taobao and Jingdong selling goods through Douyin windows; 
Creators can add goods from assured shops in the merchandise window and doing ads. Nlromanic (talk) 02:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)