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Having just been relisted, the relisting administrator makes the excellent point that more eyes from established en-wp editors would be welcome at that discussion. Many thanks! [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7F:BE04:700:A9F8:23B7:6A9:AA40|2A02:C7F:BE04:700:A9F8:23B7:6A9:AA40]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7F:BE04:700:A9F8:23B7:6A9:AA40|talk]]) 11:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)


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The argument here seems to be that [[WP:NOTEVERYTHING|Wikipedia is not everything]]; this is something, and so it should be deleted. [[WP:NOTSTUPID]] seems more appropriate, but so it goes. Anyway, I'm already finding that there are many interesting angles and so other perspectives will bring out more detail. Compare with [[vehicle registration plate]], for example... [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 10:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
The argument here seems to be that [[WP:NOTEVERYTHING|Wikipedia is not everything]]; this is something, and so it should be deleted. [[WP:NOTSTUPID]] seems more appropriate, but so it goes. Anyway, I'm already finding that there are many interesting angles and so other perspectives will bring out more detail. Compare with [[vehicle registration plate]], for example... [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 10:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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Having just been relisted, the relisting administrator makes the excellent point that more eyes from established en-wp editors would be welcome at that discussion. Many thanks! [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7F:BE04:700:A9F8:23B7:6A9:AA40|2A02:C7F:BE04:700:A9F8:23B7:6A9:AA40]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7F:BE04:700:A9F8:23B7:6A9:AA40|talk]]) 11:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)


==[[Jamal Sims]]==
==[[Jamal Sims]]==

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ARS Code of Conduct
  • Note that this wikiproject is only intended to improve the encyclopedia. The project is not about casting votes or vote-stacking. Be sure to follow the guideline on canvassing. This means, in part, that you should use Template:Rescue list on the deletion discussion page when you list the discussion here.
  • Focus on improving content. For example, when working on an article listed for rescue, try to qualify topic notability by adding reliable-source references with significant coverage of the topic. Edit the content to address specific concerns raised in the AfD discussion.
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Iman Farzin

Iman Farzin (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) AfD discussion

Having just been relisted, the relisting administrator makes the excellent point that more eyes from established en-wp editors would be welcome at that discussion. Many thanks! 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:A9F8:23B7:6A9:AA40 (talk) 11:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gun serial number

The argument here seems to be that Wikipedia is not everything; this is something, and so it should be deleted. WP:NOTSTUPID seems more appropriate, but so it goes. Anyway, I'm already finding that there are many interesting angles and so other perspectives will bring out more detail. Compare with vehicle registration plate, for example... Andrew🐉(talk) 10:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jamal Sims

Plenty of reliable sources, hard to believe nom followed BEFORE. Gleeanon 22:58, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Pro Wrestling Australia

Moving to draft is being used here as alternative to deletion, that's why this is a non-AfD.

Pidzz moved the article to mainspace twice, and it was reverted twice.

I agree with Pidzz that the article is ready for mainspace, but I felt like requesting assistance from experienced rescuers here would be better. Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 12:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pidzz:, and @Walwal20:, I formatted a few references; for the dead links and unformatted cage links I suggest using the “Wayback Machine” (Google it).
The roster section should be referenced otherwise anyone can add anybody there. Gleeanon 14:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Gleeanon409. I'll see with Pidzz what can be done about the points you raised, although an IP user gave some help already (and added more unformatted links >.<). Thanks again. Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 07:47, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Walwal20:, I would source every name on the roster list, while the links are still fresh, good luck! Gleeanon 08:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Star Saga One: Beyond the Boundary

I built this article from an existing redirect, using several reviews which I linked to, and a couple more reviews as found on its Mobygames page, as you can see in this version of the article, but it was reverted by another editor; can anyone help me find additional sources to help assert notability? 2601:243:1C80:6740:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 20:51, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mango (Saturday Night Live)

I found some references, but mostly dead links to articles no longer where they once were. Anyone feel like searching for coverage? Do you find the Mango irresistible? Dream Focus 01:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of tallest buildings in Augusta, Georgia

A rehash of the arguments at a lot of list of tallest buildings .... articles. This time Marching through Georgia. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Detecting Earth from distant star-based systems

Metaphorically speaking, WP:SAUCE? Being on the other end of the telescope. Could use more sources. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:14, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alexis Texas

This is the 2nd nomination for deletion, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexis Texas (2nd nomination). I embarked on a research project to improve this page. Please compare (prior version), with (expanded and improved version after research project).

I also went ahead and created a new article, on the film, Bloodlust Zombies.

Please let me know if you'd like to help out with research and sources for either of those pages -- thanks very much! Right cite (talk) 14:46, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Piraya Film

This is a film production company that has produced multiple notable films, including oscar nominee The Act of Killing, whose accolades have their own page, and the new much-talked about The Mole: Undercover in North Korea — Ad Meliora Talk∕Contribs 12:53, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rural purge

"Today, we no longer have to rely on such things as prognosticating beetles." Andrew🐉(talk) 10:49, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of buzzwords

Apparently it's time to talk about this again and, as I'm already enjoying this immensely, thought I would share the fun. We can get a lot of inspiration from this and I'm already thinking that we should start a rebranding exercise for the ARS, as there are rude boys who never tire of the obvious pun. Changing one letter seems to be the way this is done. And, as we have over 400 members now, we should step up a level and make it the Article Rescue Brigade. ARB – that has a nice ring to it... Andrew🐉(talk) 11:56, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Teeuwynn Woodruff

A rare example of a female tabletop game designer. 8.37.179.254 (talk) 12:38, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

86 (term)

It seems too ironic that there should be an attempt to 86 this entry. As I'm British, I am not familiar with it but am finding that there's much more to be found and written about this. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kept Per the closer: "The result was keep." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:58, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tomasz Jędrowski

Author with just one book but with, IMHO, enough sources to meet GNG. Gleeanon 17:28, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article ended in keep but was later renamed to be the name of the book, and edited to be a book article instead of one about the writer. Dream Focus 01:46, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Hotel AfDs

  • Find relevant notability guide for hotels. Do some of these also pass WP:GEOFEAT social, economic, or architectural importance? Can we find sources to show that these hotels or buildings pass our guidelines? FYI: nominator has 538 edits. SPA account? AfD Stats. Lightburst (talk) 20:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Westin Savannah Harbor Golf Resort & Spa

Westin Westminster

Four Seasons Resort Carmelo, Uruguay

Olive 8

Hyatt Regency Aruba Resort & Casino

Hyatt Regency Portland

Grand Hyatt Colombo

Grand Hyatt Duta

Grand Hyatt Kuala Lumpur

Grand Hyatt Muscat Hotel

DoubleTree by Hilton Chicago Magnificent Mile

DoubleTree by Hilton Harrogate Majestic Hotel & Spa

DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Shanghai–Pudong

DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel London - Chelsea

I think I found enough GNG sources for this one. Gleeanon 22:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Casey Calvert (actress)

I recently did a research initiative at this article topic, taking it from before to after the research project. I added in info that was previously not there, about her work as a film director. Any other research or help with additional sources would be most appreciated! Right cite (talk) 18:36, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Did more research on her diversifying her film career from simply acting -- to writing and directing as well, see expansion of article after additional research. Thanks, Right cite (talk) 14:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Ross (publisher)

Undoubtedly meets GNG as a LGBTQ newspaper pioneer with many historical touchstones. Gleeanon 11:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Quiet Room (2018 film)

Borderline AfD at the moment although it has plenty of sources, someone else is already looking for more. Gleeanon 08:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tiny the Terrible

KEEP
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat

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List of works with the subtitle "Virtue Rewarded"

List and notability. Interesting discussion. Sources should be easily found. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:25, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion continues. More references would help. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:40, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted Per the closer: "The result was delete. I wasn't around in 2004 but I joined in 2005 and read enough dramaboards to say that it was a very different place. It was certainly a more homogeneous community which allowed for us to have fun. Then we made the mistake of doing a good enough job on the whole be one of the world's largest websites and, despite our protests to the contrary, become one of the leading reference sources in the English speaking world.[citation needed] Our community is more diverse which carries certain advantages (we're only pretty systemically biased instead of being incredibly systemically biased!) but also means that we've had to "grow up". Rather than fun, in 2020 we have April Fools "jokes" that are so amusing that they find a way to cause multiple noticeboard discussions and RfCs. So instead we're left with policies and guidelines like "No Original Research" (an oldie but a goodie). The discussion here seems to suggest that the WP:Let whatever Floquenbeam likes exist guideline might have some support but alas that isn't the discussion I'm closing. So instead we end up with a delete consensus. However, there is clearly enough support for the tomfoolery of days gone by that it could certainly exist in someone's userspace (or perhaps even project space) and I would have to burnish the "no fun stick" that I was given instead of a mop to anyone suggesting it be WP:G4 (abbreviations impenetrable to outsides? Just as good in 2020 as 2005)." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
a more homogeneous community [in 2005] lol I wish that were true. Funny how we romanticize the past forgetting the bad and remembering the good. The period 2004-2007 was the most chaotic in Wikipedia history. Also the most active, it peaked in 2007 and then dropped and plateaued from there. They were the wild west days where incivility of any type went unchecked, copyright violation, back channel cabals, lack of rules and structure, lack of citation templates, crashing servers, exponential growth of users and articles, extended outages, epic flame battles, etc.. it was really crazy. -- GreenC 15:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Kamala

DELETE
The result was delete. Ritchie333

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Abigail Savage

NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus. JGHowes

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Abigail Savage is a Heyman save, and I think meets GNG/BASIC for the volume of references that cover her 100+ films, most of them as sound editor but also notable themselves. Gleeanon 10:59, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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InnerSloth

REDIRECT
The result was redirect to Among Us. This is officially the worst AFD discussion I have closed in years. There are some participants here who should hang their head in shame. And no, I'm not naming because if you lack self-awareness to know who you are yourself you won't get it anyway. What I get from this discussion apart from a headache is that company notability is not inherited from a product and that the detailed analysis of the sourcing is that there isn't enough about the company that isn't really about the game. I also discarded some late keep votes that failed to add any value as they clearly derived from a "rescue listing" and, if you are going to ask ARS to weigh in when they are well known for taking an inclusionist stance, the arguments they advance really need to be credible source review rather than just stated opinion. (Btw, given how poor this discussion was, don't discuss this with me if you disagree - just take it to DRV. I have had my quota of green coloured text for the week)@ Spartaz

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Article was taken to AFD after a failed PROD. Since then, I undertook a major research project to improve the article. Compare version at time of deletion nomination to ---> expanded version of the article after research project into the topic. Additional help with research would be appreciated. Right cite (talk) 21:04, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Since you have the product page I suggest you add a background section and put info about the company, that generally relates to the product there, and re-launch a company page when there is more. Gleeanon 03:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Beech Grove, Fulton County, Kentucky

This article is up for AFD in part because of the few citations but also issues with notability (particularly as to some confusion with other locales in Kentucky named Beech Grove). I'm hopeful that this article can survive with improvement. Jmbranum (talk) 19:50, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator AfD'd 25 KY community pages (all similar stubs). Normal Op (talk) 21:07, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chicha press

KEEP
The result was keep. Sandstein

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I did not create the original article, but I saw it on the AFD list. The initial version I saw was pretty weak (no citations and some NPOV issues), however, after researching the subject (and finding a much stronger article on the topic in the Spanish Language wikipedia ([1]), I think that this article could meet the notability requirements with some more additions. I have started the process of improving this article but would appreciate help from others. Thanks! Jmbranum (talk) 19:33, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jmbranum - The Spanish language version is quite promising! Right cite (talk) 21:12, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Political kidnapping

KEEP
The result was keep. Eddie891

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As rescues go, it's hard to beat Operation Thunderbolt. But this topic has been neglected and so there's a chance to shine... Andrew🐉(talk) 23:23, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Davidson -- Lots of great scholarly and academic sources about this topic, whole entire books, etc. Right cite (talk) 21:12, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Merwin Mondesir

KEEP
The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator, no one is arguing for deletion. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe

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Mark Famiglietti

  • American actor and screenwriter - also voice actor and author. I think we need to eliminate about 70% of the unsourced content and add in actual non IMdB references. With this many roles, there must be reliable sources. He is from New England - Rhode Island, and I did find once source from Connecticut. Lightburst (talk) 14:48, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lightburst -- Quite a career so far, probably has reviews of his work and appearances over time. Right cite (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kept Per the closer: "Closed as no consensus" 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:36, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shittymorph

Lightburst - lots of sources that appear that Reddit is trialing a new feature on the individual. Right cite (talk) 21:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sandra Grant Bennett

DELETE
The result was delete. I cannot see a consensus to merge or redirect this and the strength of the dignity / individual identity argument put up requires a consensus to not give it weight. This therefore defaults to delete. I should also say that the quality and tone of the discussion is to be commended Spartaz

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{{Friendly search suggestions}}

Templates like {{find sources}} and {{fss}} should need no introduction here. See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 September 22 for a proposal to delete them. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pendulum rocket fallacy

DELETE
The result was delete. No prejudice against recreating as a redirect to a suitable target, if desired. ‑Scottywong

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Interesting concept and a wrong-headed theory. Finding sources that are not from the Wikipedia article itself is problematical. The prior poorly referenced/cited version of the article here had a lot more information deserves your consideration, but wound up on the cutting room floor. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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John Calarco

SPEEDY KEEP
The result was keep. Tone

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Drummer, performer in a lot of bands and popular well-used session musician. Notability question. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Calarco, John. "Toilet Paper Hunt" (Video). Retrieved September 28, 2020 – via YouTube. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
1,303 views •Mar 22, 2020. That particular YouTube video doesn't help his case any. Dream Focus 16:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Spy vs. Spy III: Arctic Antics

I built this article from an existing redirect, using three reviews which I linked to, and several more reviews as found on its Mobygames page, as you can see in this version of the article, but it was reverted by another editor; can anyone help me find additional sources to help assert notability? 2601:249:8B80:4050:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 03:20, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not much to write about for its own article. Still, it is a separate game, so odd to be in Spy vs. Spy (1984 video game). Perhaps that article could be renamed. Doesn't much matter. Dream Focus 03:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:Dream Focus, I found one more review for what it's worth: [2] 98.32.192.121 (talk) 16:17, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This one was accepted by the same editor who originally redirected it, so thanks to anyone who helped out! 2601:243:1C80:6740:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 23:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dungeons & Dragons characters

Kender (Dragonlance)

Khelben "Blackstaff" Arunsun

Elaith Craulnober

These may need to be merged if sources cannot be found. 98.32.192.121 (talk) 17:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sargon III

I built this article from an existing redirect, using several reviews and additional sources, as you can see in this version of the article, but it was reverted by another editor; can anyone help me find additional sources to help assert notability? 2601:243:1C80:6740:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 01:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I started a split discussion for this one at Talk:Sargon (chess)#Sargon III: Splitting proposal. 2601:243:1C80:6740:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 16:09, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Revisiting the Battle of the Little Big Horn and Wounded Knee

One Who Walks with the Stars

KEEP
The result was keep. Later participation broadly agrees that the expansion and sourcing of the article (which took place after most delete !votes) is sufficient to demonstrate notability. ~ mazca

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Pretty Nose

KEEP
The result was keep. For a discussion that by headcount is overwhelmingly keep this discussion brings up rather complex and thoughtfully advanced questions about notability. Those who feel this topic should be deleted rely on our standard measures ways of interpreting notability including the General Notability Guideline and argue, sometimes with a great deal of lament, that this subject simply does not meet our standards. For those feel this is a topic that should be kept the argument is not so straightforward but essentially suggests when looking at the totality of the information that notability has been established. In cases like these the first question to ask is whether there is verifiable information about this topic, as notability requires evidence. While sources were presented which do not have information about this topic, and some general discussion about what place oral histories have in verifiability, there is a consensus that the information in the article is verifiable. The crux of the discussion therefore is not whether verifiable information exists, but whether enough such information exists and whether what exists adds up to enough that a standalone article is appropriate coverage of the topic. Ultimately the consensus of editors weigh in is that the answer to both those questions is yes and as such we have a consensus to keep the article. Barkeep49

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Black Coyote

DELETE
The result was delete. This individual appears to have been notable only in connection to a single event. Therefore, the consensus in this case hinges on whether or not his role in the event could be considered "highly significant" to a degree that warrants a standalone article on him. Several reliable sources were provided that mention Black Coyote and verify his role in the event. However, none of the sources provided in the discussion seem to discuss Black Coyote in any lengthy or significant way that would imply that his role in Wounded Knee was so profoundly important that it requires a standalone article to discuss it. This, of course, doesn't mean that Black Coyote and his role at Wounded Knee can't be included anywhere in Wikipedia. Indeed, descriptions of his role in the event already appear in Wounded Knee and could easily be expanded without causing the main article to become too lengthy. Therefore, the argument to delete is significantly more convincing. No prejudice against recreating the article as a redirect, if desired. ‑Scottywong

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A living memorial to the arbitrary and capricious possibility of a closer, namely: User:Scottywong doing something that ignores WP:Consensus. Arithmetically challenged. Hypothetically, if it had been close, it would default to a keep. But here it was not close, and was super voted to a delete. This is very disturbing and unexpected, IMO. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:11, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many Horses

DELETE
The result was delete. czar

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Finding sources (and identifying them with this person) has proved difficult. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I tried researching this one but it was indeed difficult to distinguish sources from different people over time. Right cite (talk) 21:18, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Wesley Charles Jacobs Jr.

KEEP
The result was keep. There's a rough consensus that the MacArthur Fellowship is a strong enough indicator of notability to warrant an article as a "significant award" under WP:ANYBIO, and while the other sources seem very sparse, the current stub state of the article seems to be sufficiently verified to avoid any egregious WP:BLP or WP:V policy violations. ~ mazca

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Minnie Hollow Wood

KEEP
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Zoozaz1

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Rattling Blanket Woman

MERGE
The result was merge to Crazy Horse#Genealogy. Eddie891

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Merged Per the closer: "The result was merge to Crazy Horse#Genealogy. 13:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Mark Soldier Wolf

MAY STILL NEED WORK
Closed but may still need work

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This one was kept, nomination withdrawn, but it provides context.
Massive attack (not the band) on Native American participants. Questions of sourcing and notability. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:56, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Trail of Tears

The campaign continues and expands...

Four Guns

KEEP
The result was keep. Tone

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Per the closer again: "The result was keep. (add) While the close is a keep, merging the content to another article is a viable alternative, given the short content of the article. But this should be discussed separately." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is a redirect discussion here. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:33, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kaipkire

NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus. JGHowes

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Kept as "no consensus." Per the closer: "The result was no consensus." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:31, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Little Hawk (Crazy Horse's brother)

KEEP
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Zoozaz1

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Kept Per the closer: "The result was keep." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:58, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Encouraging Bear

KEEP
The result was keep. Sandstein

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Kept Per the closer: "The result was keep." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:43, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Black Shawl

KEEP
The result was keep. Sandstein

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One Bull

KEEP
The result was keep. There is little support for outright deletion and consensus that the content is notable. A merge (which support for is in the minority) can still be discussed. Eddie891

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Crow Foot

KEEP
The result was keep. Sandstein

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Temple of Apshai Trilogy

I built this article from an existing redirect, using several reviews and additional sources to split it from the Temple of Apshai article, as you can see in this version of the article, but it was reverted by another editor; can anyone help me find additional sources to help assert notability? 2601:243:1C80:6740:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 23:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you register a user name instead of using various IP addresses? Also click the Wikipedia reference search and it shows you plenty of places mentioning this notable trilogy. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/06/growing-up-gaming-the-first-five-pc-games-i-ever-bought/ Stuff written about it before and after the screenshot of it. Dream Focus 23:55, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I added that one - we'll see how long it takes them to revert me this time. 2601:243:1C80:6740:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 01:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lasted three hours this time - not bad! 2601:243:1C80:6740:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 14:11, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Successfully restored this time, finally, thank you for your help! 2601:243:1C80:6740:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 01:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree with Dream Focus that the topic does indeed seem notable, the page is alright already, and could be improved further with additional research and sources. Right cite (talk) 21:19, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Huang's law

NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus. Sandstein

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Kept. No consensus. Per the closer: "The result was no consensus." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:05, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Heads Up (video game)

CLOSING ITEM
The article has been posted here for several weeks

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This game is sometimes known as "Heads Up Action Soccer" or just "Soccer" and as far as I know it was only released by General Consumer Electronics (GCE) on the Vectrex system.

I built this article from an existing redirect, using one review and links to two other reviews and an additional source, as you can see in this version of the article, but it was reverted by another editor; can anyone help me find additional sources to help assert notability? 2601:249:8B80:4050:1164:F2F9:35B3:7442 (talk) 03:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Entrepreneur (magazine) at RSN

STILL OPEN
no activity for a while now

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Used in over 1,000 articles. -- GreenC 22:16, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a routine-type discussion at RSNB. It’s to determine what level of reliability the source has. Generally the source is not deprecated/banned but said to be used with caution so no need for deletion concern.
And if it’s determined not to be reliable we want to know that before using it.Gleeanon409 (talk) 00:51, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Wilbert Ting Tolentino

SPEEDY KEEP
The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nom. Eddie891

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I’ve added sources so I think GNG is met. Gleeanon409 (talk) 04:38, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Give minutes after you posted that in the AFD the nominator withdrew their nomination. Dream Focus 12:38, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Lycanthrope (Dungeons & Dragons) and Undead (Dungeons & Dragons)

2+ WEEKS OPEN
Closing this after 2 week posting here

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These two are currently redirects, and the old article contents were moved to Draft:Lycanthrope (Dungeons & Dragons) and Draft:Undead (Dungeons & Dragons) earlier this year after their AFDs in hopes that they could one day be restored to article space. 2601:249:8B80:4050:8918:F0BC:E864:4A8E (talk) 13:30, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Transformers (board game)

REDIRECT
The result was redirect board games. I started working on it, but it was redirected in the middle of my research. I was not fussed because it was slow going and sparse.

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This one was put up for PROD, but most likely I will be merging (or at least redirecting) if there are no sources for it. BOZ (talk) 20:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Mordenkainen

KEEP
The result was keep. Tone

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Possibly the most famous character created by Gary Gygax. 8.37.179.254 (talk) 15:09, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Lifespan (video game)

2+ WEEKS
Has been open for 2+ weeks so closing this now

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(Last one for now, I promise - I didn't want to list all three at once to be overwhelming, and all the other articles I restored or started have been successfully restored by other editors.)

I built this article from an existing redirect, using one review and some citations from the article it redirected to. An editor restored the redirect, but I took another look as I should have done and found three more reviews and another source as you can see in this version of the article, but it was still reverted by another editor; can anyone help me find additional sources to help assert notability? 2601:243:1C00:E800:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 01:26, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I restored it. [3] There are enough sources to prove it meets the general notability guidelines. You need to write something about the gameplay. You can search for YouTube videos and see what it was all about as well. I did that earlier with another such article you created. [4] Dream Focus 03:37, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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SocialCred

DELETE
The result was delete. Sandstein

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Deleted Per the closer: "The result was delete." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Artificial moon

MERGE
The result was merge to Solar mirror. Sandstein

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So far I find China's announce plan, and what Russia attempted years ago. Is there coverage elsewhere? Surely others have tried this at times as well. Dream Focus 05:48, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dream Focus:, Google Scholar has quite a few hits. Gleeanon409 (talk) 04:29, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Killer Bees!

2+ WEEKS
Has been open for 2+ weeks so closing this now

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I restored this article which was previously redirected in 2013, but it was reverted. I restored it again to add more reviews and other WP:RS but the same user reverted it again. I tried once more and demonstrated that I had links to four reviews plus other sources as seen in this version of the article, but it was reverted yet again by another user; can anyone help me find additional sources to help assert notability? 2601:243:1C00:E800:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 05:23, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I might recommend adding the content to the Robert S. Harris article and editing it there until you have enough to establish notability. It makes it easier than fighting over the stub versus redirect while you're trying to work on it. Normal Op (talk) 07:01, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I actually did that already, thanks!: [5] 2601:243:1C00:E800:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 12:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Sorcerer's Apprentice (Atari 2600)

IMPROVED
The result improved sourcing

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I built an article on this early Disney video game from an existing redirect, but it was reverted. Someone helped me find several WP:RS to bring it up to five reviews in the article (and links to two more non-English reviews) to this version of the article, and yet it was still reverted for some reason; can anyone help me find additional sources to help assert notability? 2601:243:1C00:E800:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 16:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You found ample proof of notability, just someone made a mistake, or didn't bother to read the current version of the article. I reverted them back to your last version. Dream Focus 16:50, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Dream Focus! 2601:243:1C00:E800:DC2B:6DF7:CF88:4464 (talk) 20:26, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I formatted a source here. To demonstrate. In this case we see Electronic Fun with Computers & Games is a notable magazine with its own article - a reliable source. This was previously uncertain. There is the author, title and page number of the article such that anyone can read it and see it is non-trivial and length. The "cite journal" is also impressive to many readers as it usually indicates a quality source. All this improves the impression the article is based on quality sources, making it less susceptible to negative attention. -- GreenC 23:35, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Aliza Ayaz

DRAFT
The result was draftify. Cutting through the walls of text, it seems the rough consensus is that this article should 1) go to the draftspace and 2) go through AFC before being mainspaced. Eddie891

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Aliza Ayaz is an international youth climate activist. I think that at least some of the current references could be used to secure at least a stub or start class article. Esowteric+Talk 09:18, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore the "paid editing" template: The first edit to the article was by Az.jooma with the edit summary "KGS IT staff creating page". KGS is likely "Karachi Grammar School" which the subject attended. So the article could just as easily have been created by staff and students who share an interest in their relatively-illustrious one-time student. Certainly these editors look more like novices than professionals. Esowteric+Talk 09:24, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It used to be we used a COI tag for cases like this, but the paid editor banner is becoming more frequent because the "$" symbol gets people's attention - too bad as it dilutes the banners real meaning (companies that are paid to edit Wikipedia on a client's behalf). There is no evidence of anyone being paid for the express purpose of editing Wikipedia. -- GreenC 14:01, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, COI is something to consider. Esowteric+Talk 14:07, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Current refs World Urban Forum (ref 1, perhaps, minor); ARY News.tv (ref 2); BrandSynario (ref 3, perhaps: depends on how material is sourced); Geo News (ref 5) look reliable to me. Bloomsbury Festival (ref 20) looks reliable for uncontroversial material; ditto Events at Cambridge Students' Union (ref 22); and The News International (ref 31). Esowteric+Talk 14:07, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Update by one of the page editors: Have added and double checked at least 10 independent sources to confirm genuinity and notability on the page itself. These include the United Nations itself (World Urban Forum), the official Bloomsbury Festival which is popular local festival, the official University College London (world famous university), multiple independent news platforms: The News International, Geo News, ARY News, DAWN news. Have removed any quotes that were first flagged as possible "COI" or un-neutral tones. They were initially references to podcasts and hence, this may have appeared as linked to "a close connection" or non-neutral, but this has been removed now. The article should be ok to keep now, hopefully! Any suggestions welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Studentsunion (talk • contribs) 00:50, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! The Career section is a close paraphrase or direct copy in parts, and it needs looking at. Short quotes can be used directly, in "quotes", with a reference after each quotation. Please sign comments by typing four tildes ~~~~ at the end of the comment. This will auto-generate your signature. Thanks. Esowteric+Talk 12:55, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

After recent editing, I feel that this article is a keeper. Or, failing that, could be re-draftified and taken through Articles for Creation (AfC). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:33, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Result: Draftified, but okay to resubmit via AfC. The draft is here. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:21, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Native Americans and horses

DRAFT
The result was Draftify. Some say that "an article being in poor shape is not reason for deletion" - but that doesn't exclude draftification, as consensus here determines. Any recreation should, given the concerns here, go through AfC or a consensus-based process. Sandstein

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Bonus points if you can remember the name of Tonto's horse. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:59, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Jawahar Navodaya Vidyalaya, Doda

KEEP
The result was keep. Kept and closed per WP:SNOW. Close is procedural as there is no way a sensible discussion can be had on 43 topics. Bundling 2-maybe 6 related topics is workable, 43 cannot be. (non-admin closure) John from Idegon

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Scores of articles in a proposed mass deletion. Scores of articles. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:40, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Closed as Keep Per closer: "The result was keep. Kept and closed per WP:SNOW. Close is procedural as there is no way a sensible discussion can be had on 43 topics. Bundling 2-maybe 6 related topics is workable, 43 cannot be." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:24, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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List of prisoners of war

KEEP
The result was keep. Eddie891

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There are many POWs in need of rescue. For inspiration, see notable escapes and rescues. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:11, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Brazilian racing drivers

NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus, after extended time for discussion, nor is there any measure of support for draftification. BD2412 T

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Also includes List of German racing drivers in the same AFD. Is there a way to copy all the things listed in Category:Brazilian racing drivers into the proper list? Perhaps a bot to read infobox data to add to columns? Dream Focus 00:49, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I did find and replace to turn [[ into a |-[[ and ]] into ]]||| so all of the things from the category are now in a list. The only problem is I can't changed anything into a newline(enter key). If anyone knows how to do that with Wikipedia or other software please let me know. Having to go in manually and add a bunch of enters is rather tedious. Dream Focus 03:01, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Buck’s Store Museum

REDIRECT
The result was redirect to Bena, Virginia. Make up your mind, people. Redirect is a compromise since you apparently can't. Content can be merged from history; if not, see WP:RFD. Sandstein

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Redirect Per the closer: "The result was redirect to Bena, Virginia. Make up your mind, people. Redirect is a compromise since you apparently can't. Content can be merged from history; if not, see WP:RFD." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:28, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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List of fatal dog attacks in the United States

NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus. Many rationales were offered for deletion, both in the nomination and in some of the further participation. These primarily come down to:
Extended content

Violations of What Wikipedia is not. This article doesn't fit really comfortably in most of the examples of "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" and "Wikipedia is not a memorial site / news aggregator", but it definitely has significant elements of those things, and participants are fairly split on whether it applies. I don't think this particular line of argument is going to settle itself any time soon, because the policy itself does not present a real bright line on this kind of list article. Good faith editors differ on the interpretation. Violation of Notability (standalone lists). There's a reasonable argument that this is a valid split of other, more general articles, and sources have been presented that discuss this topic as a whole, which is usually the criterion used to determine whether a group of entries warrant a standalone list article - but other participants assert that much of this coverage is rather questionable, and this starts to cross into very emotive territory regarding certain advocacy groups. This notability guideline is one of the more vague ones we have, and it again appears that good faith editors differ over its application to this article. Beyond those two core arguments, other concerns regarding bad sources and potential BLP issues are mostly editorial issues for individual entries, and there's definitely not an agreement here that the sourcing itself is poor enough to warrant deletion of the article as a whole on that basis.

Some "other stuff exists" arguments were debated here, and they have rather more validity than usual in one sense: This is probably the most emotive and divisive of the many "List of fatal <animal> attacks" that we have, and it might yet be that a more sensible way of handling this long-term disagreement is an RfC to specifically try and work out a consistent guideline for how we should handle them en masse. This is an issue that needs to be settled, but this discussion has reached no clearer consensus than the previous one, and that shows no sign of changing here.

~ mazca

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Three articles nominated so far. There are dozens of list articles about people dying in various places by various types of animals. Plus many more about people dying from all manner of other things. Anyway, are there any published government documents, scientific studies, or reliable sources covering this enough to prove it notable? Dream Focus 16:38, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This particular list (part of a set of three, which are all splits from a too-large main article) is occasionally attacked by advocates who want this information suppressed (not as an improvement of the encyclopedia, but for their advocacy). Meatpuppets are always dragged out for this topic for vote stacking. Please consider participating in the AfD. Vote your conscience after evaluating the article, but please participate. Normal Op (talk) 06:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wait who would want dog attack information suppressed? Is it even possible to suppress the well known fact that dogs sometimes fatally attack humans? TryKid [dubious – discuss] 07:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@TryKid: Those who advocate for the type of dog that appears most frequently on the list. Normal Op (talk) 07:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That information can't really be suppressed, right? There are probably statistics available on which type of dogs kill most, these statistics can be easily added to Fatal dog attacks article. Wikipedia shouldn't be used as a database to store every single instance of fatal dog attack that made it to the local news. Regards, TryKid [dubious – discuss] 07:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh come on. "POV pushers are out to get this article" is not a neutral summary. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:45, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Hamilton McWhorter III

7,274 PAGEVIEWS
The result was 7,274 pageviews

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Ron Oden

KEEP
The result was keep. Vanamonde

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Hard to believe sources aren’t plentiful for this mayor of Palm Springs. Gleeanon409 (talk) 08:42, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Tri City Mall

KEEP
The result was keep. Tone

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And there is a pending DYK. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK Hamilton McWhorter III

CONGRATS
Good DYK

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One of our rescues was Promoted at DYK...Hurray. Thanks ARS and thanks 7&6. Lightburst (talk) 15:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Hamilton McWhorter III

On 4 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hamilton McWhorter III, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Hamilton McWhorter III (Congressional Gold Medal pictured) was the first F6F Hellcat pilot to achieve double-ace status? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hamilton McWhorter III. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Hamilton McWhorter III), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 12:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Castle Grayskull

KEEP
The result was keep. Eddie891

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I never watched this myself but one can't help being aware of it; it's like Camelot. So, do you have the power? The power of Grayskull! Or is that Greyskull? Opinions seem to differ... Andrew🐉(talk) 11:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Skeletor Lightburst (talk) 21:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Dog camp

KEEP
The result was keep. Article is in bad condition, but problems severe enough to require deletion have not been demonstrated. Substantive coverage of the concept as distinct from a kennel has been demonstrated, and while a merge to kennel involving an expansion of scope of that article is feasible, it is outside the scope of this discussion. Vanamonde

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Did you know that it has been scientifically shown that dogs "enhance the social atmosphere at work"? Famously, on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog and Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Let your dogs off the leash! Andrew🐉(talk) 10:26, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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List of internet stock characters

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The result was delete. Eddie891

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I believe this is notable list. Some help with finding sources to prove it and discussion on what to name it would be helpful. Dream Focus 00:22, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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REDIRECT
The result was redirect to Email. Sandstein

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You've Got Mail! I started to clean up the layout, and added some navigation and categories. Not sure how to lay this one out without it becoming promotional? Lightburst (talk) 23:11, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Project Bay Cat

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Aaqib Anjum Aafī

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I ran across this and quickly found some sources, google books, and scholar might have more. It’s a cat trap-neuter-release hybrid project that is textbook successful. Gleeanon409 (talk) 14:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Jokerz

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The result was redirect to List of Batman Beyond characters. Tone

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Todd Krasnow

NOMINATOR WITHDREW
The result was keep. Consensus for Keep. Identification of Clio award, as Oscars for advertisers from Time magazine references indicates notability. (non-admin closure) scope_creep

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  • Take a stab at this bio. TK is a Businessman who was on the Staples Inc. founding management team: and it is apparently the world's first office superstore which grew into a $7 billion business over 12 years. Did he get some press for Staples and...He is responsible for the company's naming of the Los Angeles Staples Center? Is there press? Lightburst (talk) 00:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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List of tallest buildings in Montgomery, Alabama

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The result was delete. After extended time for discussion, I find that there is consensus to delete this list as failing WP:LISTN. In theory, of course, editors with an interest in doing so could create a list of the tallest buildings in every state, county, city, town, village, and neighborhood. While this seems natural for cities known for the height of their buildings like Chicago, and New York, at some point, there must be a cutoff. The consensus here represents a definition that the city for this list is below that cutoff. BD2412

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List of association football players by nickname

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The result was delete. Fenix down

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This is a curiosity – a well-made page with 248 citations is nominated by its creator. Can anyone solve the mystery? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Amei Wallach

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Was opened for 14 days

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Need some notability advice for a potential article. This art critic likely meets notability under a creative metric but I’m not terribly familiar with judging those. She is a prolific writer and has made a few documentaries but I’m not sure if that’s enough. Any help is appreciated! Gleeanon409 (talk) 15:13, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Drag Race

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The result was keep. Black Kite

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Unless I’m missing something, this is just the newly formed, and under-developed parent article to the growing list of RuPaul’s Drag Race shows, and DragCons. Gleeanon409 (talk) 12:49, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Individual

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The result was keep. Eddie891

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Wikipedia started in January 2001. This article was created less than three months later and so must be one of Wikipedia's earliest. If it was deleted it would soon be recreated but this does not seem sensible. Perhaps you can help in your own individual way? Andrew🐉(talk) 12:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Sports Nippon

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Was open for almost two weeks so closing.

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This article has languished for years, at one point filled with spam links, it was moved to draft incorrectly, moved back to main space, and ignored. One WP:42 reference will save it. I have no skill for finding Japanese references, but someone here does. Please find that reference and then remove the PROD. Please do not just remove the PROD. Fiddle Faddle 07:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe try google scholar—“Sports Nippon” Japanese journalism. Gleeanon409 (talk) 08:33, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Hasdeo Arand

CLOSING
Was open for almost two weeks so closing.

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As another change from the usual deletion debates, here's a topic which is In the News. The page is new and seems difficult to source in English so someone with expertise in Indian languages might be able to help expand it. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:41, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Gwildor

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The result was delete.

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The Google news results have a lot to sort through. But having that many places mentioning the character, surely some of them give enough detail about him to count. Dream Focus 01:08, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How He-Man Mastered the Universe: Toy to Television to the Big Screen, Art of He Man and the Masters of the Universe - Page 177, TV Guide - Volume 36 - Page 108, Mastering the Universe: He-man and the Rise and Fall of a ...
may help. Gleeanon409 (talk) 01:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Joost de Valk

NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus. Arguments have ranged from deleting to keeping and improving, and everything in between. Ritchie333

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  • Sadly this is a spillover from a discussion at ANI - Levivich pontificated about the merits of the article and JzG agreed with the comments, and then JzG redirected the article, when I reverted, it was immediately nominated for deletion by JzG. The article was started from scratch just a few days ago, WP:IMPERFECT and has nothing to do with the first AfD. There is a Business Insider article which appears in the de Valk article, and a PC Magazine article (which is not yet in the article). I am sure we can find more in Dutch sources. Google Joost de Valk and 388,000 is the number. No primary sources needed, as there are enough which were used to establish work history. WC. Never give up! Lightburst (talk) 16:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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