Talk:Inauguration of Joe Biden

What this article should be used for in the coming two months or so.

Usually, the post-election election stuff, that is between Electoral college voting and counting ceremonies, are pro forma. They have to be done, but they are foregone conclusions with a few tiny hiccups here and there. You have the ceremonial stuff most people find boring, which is covered by CSPAN and no one else, and that's about it. Inaugurations are different in that they are major celebratory events that if one cannot be there in person (lots of fun indeed), one can watch on Television without boredom. Who doesn't love a parade, right? (okay, some don't). But this time is different.

Trump has preemptively declared the election fraudulent in advance and has already filed a bunch of lawsuits. The arcane permutations that go largely unnoticed by all but us political junkies have moved from 99.8% irrelevant to 45% irrelevant. Not only that, but there's also the 20th Amendment, which cuts the transition substantially.

While, yes, it is indeed too early to have the articles 2020-21 Presidential Election Crisis or 2021 Presidential Contingency Election, that doesn't mean interest in the subject doesn't exist NOW and won't increase in the days ahead. That is NOT WP: CRYSTAL! Which brings me to this article:

The 20th Amendment states that there has to be an inauguration on January 20. The events that immediately lead up to the event are relevant to it. A contested electoral count and a contingent election are only two weeks prior to an inauguration that cannot be postponed.

What might happen is notable as hell and people are going to look up about what technically might. So this article, between now and November 4 should be that place where people go to find out. Arglebargle79 (talk) 13:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

We're being overly presumptuous that it's going to be Trump/Pence or Biden/Harris, as the Libertarians & Greens (and many other parties) are also running candidates. But ok, it most likely will be either of them & besides, it fits with the 'record' breaking event :) GoodDay (talk) 15:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I have to agree the article is too crystal bally. It may be most likely that those 2 pairs will take office, but the chance of it being someone else is not so impossible that it should be ignored. I mean heck, the article already mentions they will be the oldest so one way it may not be is obvious. Nil Einne (talk) 20:49, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

There is so much unsourced speculation I don't even feel a need to make a detailed argument as to why this is not appropriate content. Read WP:CRYSTAL -- It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses.. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

There is WP:DUE coverage of this at 2020 United States presidential election#Trump's potential rejection of election results. Making stuff up about how you think the inauguration will go is not appropriate. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:57, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

"Inauguration of Joe Biden" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Inauguration of Joe Biden. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 9#Inauguration of Joe Biden until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Add Harris to title?

It's about her ceremony, too. Unprecedented style, maybe. But so is the subject matter. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Based on the list of ceremonies, vice presidents-elect are not listed in the title. This is likely because vice presidents are inaugurated directly after the president. They just aren't the main-main event. KidAd talk 00:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

This one will be, and the sooner we accept this changing time, the smarter we'll look when it finally happens. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:44, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Although Harris's vice-presidency is notable for several firsts, I would not support changing the name of this article from "Inauguration of Joe Biden". KConWiki (talk) 01:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Because of precedent, because VPs are inaugurated first or because of something else? InedibleHulk (talk) 07:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Vice Presidents are actually inaugurated before the President, not after. At least, that's how it's been done during the Obama and Trump inaugurations. Edge3 (talk) 03:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Depends on what ya mean by inaugurated. If you mean taking the oath of office? the vice president is sworn in, before the president. If you mean assuming office (i.e. term begins)? both do so at the exact same time, 12:00 Noon EST, 20 January 2021 :) GoodDay (talk) 14:32, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

I want to know whose tangible trunkjunk hits whose respective and figurative hotseat first, hombre, musical chairs style! But I reckon I'll wait, because this town ain't big enough for the crystalballin' we'd need to declare a basic sittin' order 'round here. For now, I aim to uncover a more known known, namely what the dad-blamed office, desk and cushioned throne the Vice Presidents of Yore traditionally keep warm have even historically been called. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Seems the VP has four offices, presumably all with furniture, but none with names Wikipedia dare utter. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:57, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Oh wait, one's the Vice President's Room. That's hardly catchy. No wonder everyone has been overlooking Pence. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:03, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

COVID measures/impact

Is there any reporting yet on the COVID measures/impact of COVID on the inauguration? If not, we should keep an eye out for such reporting. It is quite probable that the inauguration will be scaled-back to adhere to scientists advice regarding crowds and COVID, particularly since Biden's modus operandi would appear to be listening to such advice. SecretName101 (talk) 09:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Presumptive President-elect Joe Biden

The correct way to refer to Joe Biden is presumptive President-elect Joe Biden.

The title Inauguration of Joe Biden should be changed to the Presumptive Inauguration of Joe Biden. Joe Biden has to be elected by the electoral college and the votes confirmed in a joint session of congress. After the confirmation then and only then can the Inauguration of Joe Biden be the correct title. At this point, it would be just as accurate to create a page the Inauguration of Donald Trump. Tj1of1 (talk) 03:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

This has been discussed to death on Talk:2020 United States presidential election, Talk:Donald Trump, Talk:Joe Biden and Talk:President-elect of the United States and other talk pages and the consensus is to go with reliable sources which all call Biden the President-elect. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

This point is correct. Legally and officially, nobody is President-elect until the Electoral College votes (December 14th).

Federal law provides for the General Services Administration to recognize the apparent winner as the "President-elect," so that a transition may begin well before the meeting of the electors. JTRH (talk) 17:23, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

So many people comment on this issue without understanding it in the slightest. Biden is the President-Elect, no matter what in-denial Trump cultists might claim.

Requested move 9 November 2020

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

Inauguration of Joe Biden → Presidential inauguration of Joe Biden – Biden had a Vice Presidential inauguration in 2009. Georgia guy (talk) 17:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose as the current title is consistent with the articles on other ex-VP presidential inaugurations. This is also surely the primary topic for simply "inauguration of Joe Biden". BegbertBiggs (talk) 18:33, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

• This is incorrect. For example, the Inauguration of George H. W. Bush, a former vice president who became president. I support the current title of this page because it is correct stylistically. (Nirvanaoreilly) 7:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

• Support as the other Vice Presidents who became president should also have separate articles for their presidential and vice presidential inaugurations. They're misleading titles. RobotGoggles (talk) 20:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. Not only is it the primary topic for the term "Inauguration of Joe Biden", it also should be consistent with the 14 other former Vice Presidents' presidential inauguration pages (which all follow the current format of "Inauguration of _____"). Paintspot Infez (talk) 20:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The events of January 20, 2009 and 2013 were inauguarations of Barack Obama, principally. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose to maintain consistency with the other presidential inauguration pages. Simple Smiley (talk) 22:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose since we don’t do this for other Vice Presidents that later become presidents. Please see Inauguration of George H. W. Bush and First inauguration of Lyndon B. Johnson.--65.92.160.124 (talk) 22:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. He was also inaugurated as a senator numerous times, but it's overprecision to pretend that is a notable encyclopedic topic. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per other opposers. I don't really have anything new to add. Squeeps10 ^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 02:44, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose we don't use separate inauguration articles for the US president & vice president, because both attend the same ceremony. This is both Biden & Harris' joint inauguration. GoodDay (talk) 14:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Vice presidential inaugurations don't get separate articles. This is fine. DaveTheBrave (talk) 15:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Infobox fonts

Heads up. We've an editor going around changing the fontsize in the infoboxes of these inauguration articles. He's already just done the same thing at articles like 117th United States Congress. I'm aware of WP:SMALLFONT, but this is going too far with it, IMHO. GoodDay (talk) 18:58, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Applying a guideline is "going too far with it"? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:03, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you're steam rolling across several articles. What's after these? GoodDay (talk) 19:05, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Any other page I find that violates the guideline. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

I strongly dislike the new format, but Muboshgu is indeed following the MOS:SMALLFONT. How do you, GoodDay, and Muboshgu think we could improve the style of the infoboxes pertaining to inaugural ceremonies? 06:36, 20 November 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirvanaoreilly (talk • contribs)

Since Muboshgu is determined to push this particular MOS, across Wikipedia. Perhaps colouring, is a solution. GoodDay (talk) 18:49, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

What would that look like, GoodDay? Nirvanaoreilly (talk) 06:54, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

We can colour "46th President of the United States", green. GoodDay (talk) 18:57, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

I just looked into what this situation is all about, and Muboshgu is correct in following MOS guidelines pertaining to small font. The reason for the guideline is because if the font is too small, it becomes too hard for some users to read (in other words, an accessibility issue). ~EdGl talk 04:11, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2020

Until the electoral college vote on Dec 14, and the conclusion of litigation, the assertion that Joe Biden will be inaugurated on Jan 20th is premature. Remove Biden's name and simply say, the president. Thighearna (talk) 16:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:00, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2020 (2)

Change "Joe Biden" to "the president" since the electoral college vote is not until Dec 14, 2020 and litigation is not over. Thighearna (talk) 16:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:01, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose as the current nomenclature is consistent with articles on other presidential inaugurations prior to those elections' official Electoral College certifications. There is no indication, anywhere, that this result will change, and past recounts and litigation challenging presidential election results have never altered them. Nirvanaoreilly (talk) 20:43, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Thighearna. MainePatriot (talk) 19:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

MainePatriot, you believe that we should call Joe Biden "the president" even though he's not going to be inaugurated until January 20? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:27, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Thighearna is saying that because the Electoral College didn't vote for Joe Biden yet, we should change the theme of this article from Biden to generic undetermined president. No, we are not doing that. Reliable sources state what voters delivered, and so will the Electoral College. 2600:1012:B003:78F8:0:53:ADB3:BB01 (talk) 20:16, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

The Electoral College has voted for Joe Biden. cookie monster (2020) 755 03:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

You're responding to a comment from a week ago. 2603:8000:A501:9B00:4B:AF74:296E:879 (talk) 04:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2020

Please add (Use American English) and (Use mdy dates) to the article in order to secure that the article use US spelling and date formats per MOS:ENGVAR and MOS:TIES. 180.245.110.9 (talk) 10:04, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done SK2242 (talk) 11:21, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2020

Cited page #44 Trump may refuse to leave office If biasedly plastering an opinion, try to include bipartisan opinions. Don't forget there are millions of people who believe this is fraudulent and excluding their statements and/or strait up ignoring the fact that there are real legal challenges to this inauguration is doing a disservice to your platform. You are literally plastering an opinion of CBS news as a fact, This entire article needs revision, or to be completely removed. Intelxeonmaster (talk) 17:34, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I may not agree with everything you've said, but this statement is indeed rather light on gravitas. "Trump may..." and "Reportedly Saying.." are gossipy at best. Trump may say and do lots of things not worth recording on this page about someone else's inauguration. When it comes to the day itself let's see what happens at the time. I have removed the sentence, hopefully for good, but at least until anyone can put it in a more appropriate reporting context. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 17:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Zzuuzz, I agree with your removal, though with nothing else the original poster said. Trump claimed he would veto the COVID package and he didn't. His threats to not leave the White House are likely empty as well and shouldn't be addressed per WP:CRYSTAL. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:00, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

How does a lame duck president refuse to leave the White House? His term ends at Noon EST, on January 20, 2021. GoodDay (talk) 21:48, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

GoodDay, at that appointed time, we may just find out. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:52, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Giuliani's melting hair, Powell's foolishness. I tell ya. GoodDay (talk) 21:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

♬They're rioting in Washing-ton ♬

As we know, many inaugural events take place in the days before the ceremony takes place. These include protests and marches. How early should we include these? Reports on Social media are saying that the far-right goon squad are bringing weapons and the city is boarding up in anticipation of a huge riot on the sixth. Last month, a protest on grounds agreed to by the National Park Service and the Inaugural Committee turned violent, when the Proud Boys went on a bit of a rampage, resulting in four guys who were attacking an innocent black guy got stabbed by him. I'm not sure whether or not this incident belongs on this page. however...

Should the protests on the 6th be included on this page? Especially if they turn violent?Arglebargle79 (talk) 14:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)