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Hello

It seems John is getting understandably stressed by the goings-on on his talk page, so I thought I'd post here. as you are his friend and just catching up with all of this I hope that is fine. I know you and I have not always agreed on everything, but I know we have agreed on some things. I'd like to talk to you because I think he would prefer I not talk to him on his talk page at this time. This ANI sure is a mess!
You are horrified (if I may use that term) at the socking. I am as well. It is the most problematic thing that can happen here, with the exception of creating hoax articles, I suppose. In my opinion, socking and votestacking should be always be met with a lifetime ban. It is the most troublesome of the things that have ever come up about him. Were it not for the socking, I wouldn't have seen a need to comment in ANI.
I am not calling for an all-out ban. I'd rather see if he can learn to use the site in a way that is restrained by necessity and that helps both the project and him. Compromises are in order. He is doing a good job of not saying anything much to make the situation worse than it already is. But this situation calls for some sort of real consequence. Some sacrifice. Even if it's just for a year. That's why I was thinking a sanction against his participation in any deletion would address the socking. But other people are upset about the LDS and religion stuff and want him banned from that. And the "no biography work for a year" proposal came up and I think that would also be fair. Not happy or comfortable for him, but doable, especially for just a year. He has contributed in areas other than biographies before; it is hardly all he does, and I'm sure he can find work for himself. If not, others can.
You seem to be one of his best friends here. If you can encourage him to willingly give up as much of what he can stand--to plea bargain, if you will--to satisfy the greatest number of people, that could be helpful. He has little reason to listen to me and a number of others, well-intentioned as we are. Can you talk to him and come up with the very most he would be willing to give up--and something beyond "one year category for now thing," because that isn't going to satisfy the masses--, and then consider putting it together as a proposal at ANI? It's a lot to ask of one of his friends, but you seem to be good friends.
I'm not sure all of that makes good sense. Anwyay, even if not, thanks for reading, and don't feel you have to respond.
I hope you have a speedy and full recovery. --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 23:20, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@DiamondRemley39, I’m sorry for the late reply and also, thank you for stopping by, I saw this message a while ago but i was still recovering & to be honest and truthful to myself, I’m still recovering. I haven’t even had the chance to read the ani meticulously, but would do within the hour. For starters, although I was a little disappointed and still am, I’m not “horrified” by the socking on his part, sure I was dazed but not “horrified” People react differently to stress, perhaps the stress got to him or something else I really do not know. Don’t get me wrong, I’m no apologist for unethical editing be it socking or UPE. Furthermore although I’m yet to pick up to speed as to what has been occurring since i took a four/five day break from active Wikipedia editing due to private and medical related reasons but prior my short break, if I recall correctly it appears a senior colleague of mine; Herostratus, has been constructively and peacefully trying to see a proposal is drafted in which the result would be a win-win for both our mutual friend and colleague & for the collaborative project as a whole. Celestina007 (talk) 22:29, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Having seen the most recent entries honestly it’s as Bradv stated. (if I’m not mistaken) I too believe the optimization of ANI in trying to mitigate In matters such as this may create an inverse effect. I note that too many editors are proposing multiple conflicting opinions so much so that a consensus might be hard to establish/reach. Celestina007 (talk) 23:16, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Hello Celestina, are there any issues if we delete some of the self-published and primary sources while the page is still in AFD? I found 27 out of 33 references on this page, that are articles written by the subject himself. I have seen many people doing it, but as a nominator, I just want to make sure that there are no issues with that. Regards.— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:07, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@TheWikiholic, Although mildly frowned upon, I cant think of a policy AFAIK that prohibits that. For me, to make things less controversial, prior initiating a deletion process I remove every dubious WP:QS, & yes, even mid AFD I have removed sources from a given article, insofar as the sources you are removing are blatant dubious looking sources you shouldn’t have any problem. Celestina007 (talk) 21:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Hi, I am a Wikimedia projects editor, a recruiter and trainer for new editors and a program lead. @Ampimd: told me to reach out for assistance. Please we have an upcoming workshop for new and experienced editors which is due this Saturday, October 9, 2021, in one of the major cities in Ghana. Editing from any IP in the city is being blocked by @ST47: and @ST47ProxyBot:. I left a message on the talk page but no response. Please we will be grateful if you look into it and help us lift the block for the day October 9, 2021, and add a local exception to the global block to enable participants to join and contribute to Wikipedia. The IP we will use is 154.160.70.27 . Hope to hear from you soon. Find the event dashboard here Robertjamal12 (talk) 09:50, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 19:47:54, 11 October 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Kongi Harvest


Hi, There are issues I would like to address here. Dr Chike Akunyili was not a nonentity in his country Nigeria. His late wife Dora Akunyili was also not a nonentity, public office-holder of repute, and known beyond the shores of Nigeria. She has a wikipedia page along with that of their daughter who is a famous visual artist in her own right. I suggested a wikipedia page on Chike Akunyili based on recent events in the life of this family, with the brutal murder of Chike Akunyili. As the events are unfolding, and to pre-empt overburdening of both Dora Akunyili and Njideka Akunyili Crosby's pages with the stories around the man's death, currently being reported extensively in hundreds of newspaper articles and media both in Nigeria and outside. A simple Google search will attest to this. Could you kindly explain further what is considered « published, reliable, secondary sources » here. The information about Chike Akunyili noted in the article is a developing story that is building up in the country. In kind anticipation. kongi harvest (talk) 19:41 11 October 2021 (UTC)
@Kongi Harvest, why would you use the word “nonentity” ? AFAIK no one ever called him that. In-fact the article was declined without a comment I mean take a look here so if I may ask once more why did you use the word “nonentity” ?? This is rather puzzling, that comes across as though I said or implied that when I never did, do you not see how confusing to passerby editors that is? Do you see how subtly disingenuous that appears? Alright, Moving forward you said “explain further what is considered « published, reliable, secondary sources” see WP:GNG, it contains the answers to your questions. Thank you. Celestina007 (talk) 20:03, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Celestina007 Thank you for your response. I am not implying that you called him a "nonentity". If it comes across like that in my note, I do apologize for that. As you rightly noted there was no reason given for declining the article, and I was only trying to stress that he is (or was now) known in his country if notoriety is a factor here. I will check the guidelines you noted again and see what else could be added. The story as I noted above is developing further. Thank you for your time and patience as well. kongi harvest (talk) 20:24, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kongi Harvest, AFC editors aren’t mandated to write a comment, the “declining” has an automated response on why it is being declined so like I said we aren’t obliged to leave a comment & again no, see WP:BREAKING. Celestina007 (talk) 20:40, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Celestina007 Noted. I have checked WP:GNG and Chike Akunyili does meet the guidelines. But will continue to develop the draft further. kongi harvest (talk) 20:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. Celestina007 (talk) 20:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diligence
This barnstar is awarded in recognition of a combination of extraordinary scrutiny, precision and community service, specifically in the detection of undisclosed paid editing, sock- and meatpuppetry. It is awarded in astonishment about the deception and lies encountered when investigating cases of such behavior. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ToBeFree, thanks for this It is deeply appreciated. Celestina007 (talk) 02:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore I’d like to thank Usedtobecool, Primefac, Valereee, Kudpung, Beeblebrox, Barkeep49, DGG & MER-C, it is they who keep my spirit alive when I’m at my lowest. Barkeep49, Usedtobecool & Primefac have made my job easier as they have time & time again assisted me by always showing me the relevant tools that have made my job a lot easier. Now fighting UPE although tedious, has become a lot easier, now all I need do is “smell a rat” & the numerous tools at my disposal does the remaining for me. I can’t thank Usedtobecool, Barkeep, & Primefac enough. Blablubbs also! Celestina007 (talk) 10:33, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Always happy to help. Primefac (talk) 06:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac, yup! & that’s why you are such a darling. Celestina007 (talk) 16:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I smell something fishy, and it's not fish

Please have a look at Fresh VDM and the contributing editor's contributions. Your unbiased opinion is always welcome FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 15:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Timtrent, Aye mate! Good to hear from you. I’d get right to it. Celestina007 (talk) 21:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent, you are probably dealing with Kolapoimam, needless to say I have done the needful. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kolapoimam. Thanks for nabbing this one. Celestina007 (talk) 21:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I knew you would be familiar with this crew. There are a LOT of similarly shit articles FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 22:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've endorsed your SPI nomination FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 22:05, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Timtrent, thanks for nabbing that. If you see more stuff that smell like fish but you know definitely that it ain’t no fish, You know I’m always here. Celestina007 (talk) 22:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You might like to have a look at Special:Contributions/St theresa01 which feels related. The Spax article in particular has an odd history FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 22:20, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Timtrent, Now this is just blatant article spamming on their part and simultaneously being very disruptive. I have included them and expanded the report. Celestina007 (talk) 23:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Benjamin Sokomba Dazhi

Hello, you recently moved my article Draft:Benjamin Sokomba Dazhi pending more citations. I have added more citations and I would like you to please have a look at it again and see if it has passed notability. Regards Moshswacide (talk) 01:32, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Moshswacide, allow me half an hour to look through it & give you feedback, if I observe that it meets the notability threshold I would accept. Celestina007 (talk) 11:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Moshswacide, I have removed the unreliable sources used & now the article has three sources & those three do not per se demonstrate notability, However, Im going to accept the article as a criterion from WP:CREATIVE appears to be met. Moving forward I’d suggest you read WP:RS, it is indeed complex but if you meet any hurdles, please leave me a message to explain things to you better. I would also assist you in adding more sources to the article. Congratulations on your new article & thanks for creating. Do have a nice day & happy holiday. Celestina007 (talk) 11:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the help, I really appreciate. I will read WP:RS as you suggested and if I have any hurdle, please I will leave you a message for more explanation. I promise to learn, improve and do more. Do have a nice day and happy holiday too. Moshswacide (talk) 13:45, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Celestina007: I just saw a tag of notability guideline has been placed on the article again by Princess of Ara. Moshswacide (talk) 17:14, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Then you talk to them about it. Celestina007 (talk) 18:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More Progress in Anti UPE

One year ago, a knack or rather, a natural predisposition for knowing when something just isn’t right and the ability to take mental notes of editors and their edit pattern led me to do this, nothing much came out of it, but one year after it was confirmed that I indeed was correct. It may take a while but surely anyone engaging in unethical practices would get what is invariably coming their way no matter what parameters or security measures or trickery they use to evade scrutiny. This is more progress against unethical editing. Celestina007 (talk) 18:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More Progress

Due to the help of Timtrent, who notified me about a possible undisclosed paid editing see here another upe ring has been nabbed. In the SPI a classical deflection tactics was used by the blocked sock, see here where they quickly go on the defensive and imply Timtrent or i was uncivil towards them whereas this entry, to be precise, this comment by me invalidates their claim as I was very polite and shared a rationale for leaving the UPE template, but they nonetheless thought it wise to outrightly speak untruthfully. They have been blocked now, indeed we are making progress. Celestina007 (talk) 22:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of the Reds

I hope you are seeing the game. I told you we always start slow, but become unstoppable as the season progresses.HandsomeBoy (talk) 16:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HandsomeBoy, allow me to weep in peace. Na beg I Dey bey. Abeg you see say I don “fem” for a while now abi? Na mourn I Dey mourn. Celestina007 (talk) 17:09, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One thing I really really like about you is your convo lines. You always have the best words for every moment. I literally smiled reading this.HandsomeBoy (talk) 10:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@HandsomeBoy, the thing be say ManU Dey always fuck up for Old Trafford but once we play away we are beasts, you dey see this one bah? When we meet again na me go dey laff you, make we bet? Wahlai Liverpool go too collect for Anfield you go see. The thing with Us be say we no dey ever dey consistent, no official first 11, random formations per game, no playing pattern, nothing! Man U na just vibes and Insha Allah we just dey wing everything, lol that one no mean anything oo, Liverpool must still collect from us, e sure for me kpa & Back to the issue of Ronaldo, he is beginning to piss me off, imagine suggesting your coach be sacked and advising Man U board of directors to employ Zidane instead sigh, that is just rude. Na why OGS sub am early today lmaoo. E pain Ronaldo gann! oh my Fucking days 😂. Celestina007 (talk) 19:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently, you are a potential editor for the "Naija Wikipedia" project, currently in the pipeline by the Nigerian WM community. Back to Ronaldo, surprising to know he actually suggested a new coach. I can't wait for the reverse fixture at Anfield, I am ready to put my money where my mouth is. HandsomeBoy (talk) 10:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Bassim Haidar

I've seen worse in this field--you might want to see if it is rescuable. -- DGG ( talk ) 02:38, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@DGG, Sure thing! I’d take a look. Celestina007 (talk) 17:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@DGG, DGG I’m sorry for the late response, Real life has been hectic. Alright, the article creator declared they were a paid editor, so I applaud them for being truthful. The problem with this article, as any other article created by a genuine editor who has done the right thing by stating their paid status is that the article would be nonetheless scrutinized thoroughly and from the inception I can see the sourcing being the problem. I checked the first 4 and I couldn’t see anything tangible. To be honest, arbitrary, when an article has an encyclopedic value I might lower the bar (pertaining to notability) but I can’t see any encyclopedic value here coupled with the poor sourcing, I’d decline the article too. Is it salvageable? I honestly don’t think so (for now). Celestina007 (talk) 16:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jacky Liew

Draft:Jacky_Liew_(Si_Gongzi), Jacky Liew. Can you please mark my page as approved? I have corrected all my mistakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.253.22.107 (talk) 01:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I’m sorry I can’t, I do not do reviews on request save for salient and exceptional reasons, the article appears to have been declined thrice and none of them by me, which leaves me a little surprised as to why you would come to me rather than the editors who have declined the article if you keep submitting this article it might end up being rejected please tread cautiously. Celestina007 (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@Tirupatibalaji1987, hey what seems the problem? I really want to help but I honestly can’t help because the format in which you have written this is causing my eyes to hurt. I’m unable to understand you, could you mind re-doing this? You might find it helpful to visit the WP:TEAHOUSE, it’s very rare that I am unable to be of assistance all of such few cases have been where the format in which a question is asked causes my eyes to hurt which in turn causes my head to ache badly. Please bear with me. Celestina007 (talk) 17:55, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More Progress

This SPA has now been blocked Celestina007 (talk) 04:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI

Re this; that was intended to be my last post on the matter, now I'm watching a few videos of Lachy Doley having discovered his recent contributions to two of my favourite keyboards, the Hammond Organ and the Clavinet, which I've done quite a bit of work on article-wise. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ritchie333, ah! much better. Celestina007 (talk) 23:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@Serial Number 54129, I find it awkward that people would take to trolling as opposed to productive editing, I really can’t fathom why, Thanks for the Barnstar SN, It’s very much appreciated. Celestina007 (talk) 18:37, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry about that

I was a little confused about what you met at first. But now I believe I understand what you mean.CycoMa1 (talk) 21:55, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It’s okay to be confused & you don’t need to apologize for anything. I’m yet to see a Wikipedian editor who wasn’t confused at their early days or at some point in time. Celestina007 (talk) 22:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Articles on massacres in Ethiopia suggested for deletion

Hello Celestina007,

I saw that you appreciated the article that I started on Addi Gabat massacre in Ethiopia. There has however developed a whole discussion whether such articles are fit for Wikipedia. See: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2020_May_Kado_massacre. 107 similar articles are nominated for deletion.

You may wish to add your views in this discussion. Rastakwere (talk) 14:14, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I’m sorry I can’t, as me !voting there after this message would be considered a form of canvassing. In any case it appears as of now consensus is on the side of the named articles. Celestina007 (talk) 15:03, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of a page

Hello Celestina,

Hope you are doing well. I noticed a crowdfunding company that did not have a Wikipedia page and tried to create one. Sadly it is discarded by you. The piece was created in a neutral tone as I am not persuaded by anyone and the piece was my own research. Please guide me where did I go wrong and how can I rectify it and do it all over again. I am relatively new on Wikipedia as a creator/editor which is why am seeking your help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Celestina007

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Malvikashroff92#c-Celestina007-2021-11-10T15%3A35%3A00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Whydonate

Regards Malvika

I don’t have the technical ability to discard(delete) any article. What did happen was you created a promotional article that was G11 eligible and I tagged it accordingly and it was deleted by a capable system operator. Celestina007 (talk) 12:43, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks

I appreciate your weighing in. I was starting to feel like I was in Bizarro-world, where I was the only one that could see something that's as plain as day.

Also, he slipped up:

Film Fanatic: "Thank you for your long and detailed explanation. It seems well thought out and I appreciate your time."
Ugochukwu75: "Thank you so much for taking your time to give a detailed explanation." Fred Zepelin (talk) 20:42, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Aha! You could include this as part of behavioral evidence. If ever in doubt feel free to leave me a message. Celestina007 (talk) 21:23, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fred Zepelin, they have now been blocked by the ever diligent Dennis Brown. Celestina007 (talk) 18:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that, but now Toddy1 is adding back all of the non-reliable-source references that those socks put in. I would've thought that's against policy... isn't it? Shouldn't paid/sock work be removed if it's all promotional hooey? I'd really like someone else to weigh in on this at the Wheels (2014 film) article. Fred Zepelin (talk) 22:44, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fred Zepelin, if Toddy1 is adding unreliable sources to the article then that’s disruptive, I haven’t checked to see anything, I should state also that if Toddy1 is adding reliable sources the blocked sock added previously, insofar they are reliable then they aren’t wrong. I wouldn’t usually oblige weighing in on an AFD especially if I have been pinged for that purpose but this is a very peculiar case, so I’m willing to go over WP:NFILM thoroughly again and cast a !vote or comment accordingly at the AFD. Celestina007 (talk) 20:10, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some are definitely unreliable sources. Others are just trivial mentions, added originally by the paid editor(s)/socks to try to give the impression that there's a lot of sourcing. Together, they add up to an impressive-looking list, if someone doesn't actually go and research each source individually. My feeling is that the blatantly unreliable ones should be removed outright. Stuff like "Worcester Herald" (defunct blog faked to look like a newspaper); the Forbes "contributor" piece; the deadline.co.ok promo, a press-release service designed to mimic Deadline Hollywood (no actual affiliation); and broadwayworld.com, another place that people can pay for a promotional "article". I asked about all of these at WP:RS and the responses I got all agreed that these were unreliable sources. Fred Zepelin (talk) 19:45, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion The Lonepack

Hey! I was informed that the The Lonepack page was deleted at 20:06, 11 November 2021 (UTC) and it was tagged for speedy deletion under the section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, i was unable to contest it cos its late night for me, cos i am in IST, i was curious if there was something we could do about the deletion, i recently got a chance to interact with the organisation and i loved the work they have been doing, can you help me restore the same? vasishta 08:49, 12 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasishta.chary (talk • contribs)

“if there was something we could do about the deletion” @Vasishta.chary, hello I’m afraid there is nothing “we” can do about that, however there’s something “you” can do about it and I’d tell you what. The first is that, your affiliation with that organization is causing a conflict of interest which is something we strongly discourage in this collaborative project. If an editor is too close to the subject they are writing about they are admonished to not write about it. On what you can do about the deletion, you may contact the admin who deleted the article and ask that the article be restored back to your draft. If you have read WP:NCORP, WP:NPOV, WP:ADMASQ, WP:COI & WP:NOT and you feel all is alright then contact the admin as I mentioned, when they restore it read WP:LARD and remove all promotional words and statements in the article, read WP:RS then proceed to submit the article using the WP:AFC method. Feel free to ask me for clarification if anything I have “said” is confusing. Celestina007 (talk) 16:51, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Izaaqnewton

This UPE farm is always worth keeping an eye on FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 13:44, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Timtrent, Done mate, all related accounts have been added to my watchlist. Celestina007 (talk) 20:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nigerian articles

Celestina, what are your thoughts on the referencing for the Stephen Angbulu article? Personally i dont think it satisfies WP:NJOURNALIST. Dan arndt (talk) 23:18, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dan arndt, I’m going to look at the second article closer but on the first article, it appears the creator move warred after this correct move was made my Onmyway22, there are too many red flags here and it is not my belief that this article is best suited for mainspace and should be nominated for deletion since the article creator has engaged in move-warring. Whilst I tackle certain things now with more diplomacy I should state that I noted strange occurrences are to be expected. Celestina007 (talk) 21:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have opened this afd for the first article. I’d proceed to observe(review) the second article accordingly. Celestina007 (talk) 21:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dan arndt, oh boy, the second article is giving me a very bad feeling, so much so I have placed a {{COI}} tag on the article and moved it out of mainspace, pending the outcome of the conversation I have initiated at the TP of the article creator. Without using my binoculars a WP:BEFORE shows several red flags that I’m very uncomfortable with, thank you for notifying me, on behalf of WP:NIGERIA, I say a big thank you very much for your diligent observations. Celestina007 (talk) 11:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You may want to check the sourcing for Michael Akanji as well. Dan arndt (talk) 08:44, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dan arndt, thank you, taking a closer look at the creator of the article and I discovered, this was somebody I knew quite well and prior my decision to tackle possible undisclosed paid editing with less confrontation, I had, hard tackled them in the past see here and not only me noted this, other editors have noted their possible dubious edits see here by SamHolt6. On the souring, having removed the blatant unreliable ones, he isn’t the primary topic of literally all of the sourcing in that article and literally all mention him in passing thus doesn’t meet our general notability criteria and should be nominated for deletion. Celestina007 (talk) 11:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just want to say Tosin Igho looks notable to me. My opinion is based on assessment of available sources. I know nothing about whether its COI or paid editing, but the sources and accolades for his works looks to pass WP:NDIRECTOR. I may be wrong, but that is my take and I just needed to let it out. I think it would survive an AFD. HandsomeBoy (talk) 11:39, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@HandsomeBoy, based on the sources,
The first source appears to have no reputation for fact checking and at best falls under QS,
The second source is PR sponsored undeclared pre packaged material thus unreliable.
The third source is literally IMDb, no need explaining that.
The fourth & final source is not only a re-echo but a telephone interview thus unreliable in that context.
So in all what we really have here is a combination of unreliable sources and unreliable piece(s). I agree that if the article creator can provide a/an RS that shows the subject has won an AMVCA, then yes I agree that a case of notability can be made but based on the available sources it is a complete 0 as analyzed above.
Lest I forget, this comment; “I know nothing about whether its COI or paid editing” we have never in the course of this discussion mentioned anything related to (paid editing), rather we are talking about a (possible) conflict of interest. Thus why a conversation with the article creator has been initiated to clarify that. Celestina007 (talk) 19:26, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can you also checkout Nathaniel Akinremi Fadipe. Dan arndt (talk) 23:40, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dan arndt, thank you for the very apt drafitification, it is my opinion it wasn’t an article but an advertisement guised as one, the second article seems salvageable, Mccapra was kind enough to affix the relevant tags. Thank you once more for your diligence. Celestina007 (talk) 22:33, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Another recent article is Omosalewa Anikulapo Kuti. Appreciate it if you could sort through the reference bombing by the article's creator. Dan arndt (talk) 00:06, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dan ardnt, ah! talk about great minds thinking alike. I saw the article and almost instantaneously, did this on the grounds of a possible COI. Currently I’m in the process of weeding out (possible) deliberate ref bombing and (possible) deliberate fake referencing, some sources used in the article aren’t even about her but pertain to her father who was indeed notable but WP:INHERITED, that does zilch for her. Celestina007 (talk) 00:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unbiased opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiirya Beats please

I would appreciate your unbiased opinion at this deletion discussion FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 08:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Timtrent, I have done so mate. Celestina007 (talk) 11:04, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
👍 That word "Entrepreneur" is always a red flag for me FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 11:51, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent, Always! Celestina007 (talk) 11:56, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Familia Records

I do not see how the significance of this rap music label is deemed unworthy by your standards. I’ve provided various references and external links Tribal619 (talk) 20:07, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I’m afraid the musical organization isn’t notable (for now) and they aren’t my standards but the general standard(s) as determined via consensus by the collaborative project, if nothing, all the sources used in article are not in adherence to what constitutes as a reliable source. I’m here to answer more questions from you but if you seek more eyes looking at this, you can visit the WP:TEAHOUSE for help, even better is you can make your case properly at the deletion discussion page. Celestina007 (talk) 20:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uganda is not covering itself with glory

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Izaaqnewton shows an "interesting" sock farm, with Hamis Kiggundu determined to have his name here. Note that the article suggests he is not above offering journalists money. You may have some useful insights on this interesting gentleman. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 19:28, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Timtrent, This indeed is very complex, whilst we await the CU results, what we can do at the moment is to first check the notability status of the article, if they aren’t notable I don’t see anything stopping us from sending this to AFD, secondly, we shall utterly remove all promotional material no matter how infinitesimal(I shall do this now) then we shall see how this plays out, if CU is having technical problems and behavioral conduct isn’t put into consideration then we can also report the article and it’s creator to WP:COIN. This way as explained to me by the good ol’ Bradv & Beeblebrox we would be eliminating (possible) COI editing with relatively little to no stress. Celestina007 (talk) 19:57, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect a billionaire may be notable, unfortunately. Plus he seems to have some ownership of some press organs. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamis Kiggundu closed as draftify back in June FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 21:12, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent, my thoughts too after looking at the article. chances are yes they are indeed notable, fine done and dusted, they are on mainspace, if they would survive an AFD then sending them there would be an effort in utter futility, what we can however do is watchlist the article and ensure it isn’t used for blatant promotional purposes. I doubt we can do anything to stop a billionaire who is bent on having a presence on Wikipedia. More frustrating is the number of sources used, if I was looking at a Nigerian article, I can remove notorious blogs, questionable sources, and other unreliable sources relatively fast, but the sources used are from Ugandan media outlets meaning I’d have to literally “DuckDuckGo” every single source to check their reliability which honestly is daunting to even think about. I have seen editors here try to negate a billionaire, I believe it took a good percentage of the collaborative project to negate them as they employed an inordinate number of socks to vote !keeps at the AFD. Forgive the verbose, I think in summary fine they can be on mainspace but what we wouldn’t not allow is for them to use the article to promote him. Celestina007 (talk) 21:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He has substantial influence in Ugandan media, it appears. He is notable, I am sure of it. I am equally sure I wood not like to be one of his paid editors because I imagine him not to be a kind mine with failure. This is speculation, of course, and I could be wholly wrong and invite him too tea! FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 22:30, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is good: Avoiding Unnecessary Drama

Hi Celestina! Because I watch your user & talk pages, I saw that you are drafting a new "essay" on Avoiding Unnecessary Drama. Very useful for the community! One thing that I have noticed in both myself and in other editors is to: avoid editing with one's ego. I think that many arguments and disputes on WP can be avoided if we can separate our egos from the subjects and things we are passionate about. It also helps us to not take comments by other editors the "wrong way" - meaning personally. It helps us to stay focused on content not on contributors; and it helps us from feeling "ownership". Just thought I'd share this bit of wiki-philosophy with you. Hope all is very well in your world. Netherzone (talk) 16:29, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone, NZ, Thanks for the kind words i really appreciate them. To be honest I’m not even sure I have the energy right now to make it into an essay, I just figured out I’d leave it on my UP and whenever I’m mentally prepared to make it into an essay, I’d notify you for the usual name suggestions (that was literally what was on my mind) My thoughts prior writing that, was to (protect new editors) especially the ones who may want to test the waters with tackling article spamming so they need not pass through the stress I was (rightfully) subjected to and learn the tough way as I did, due to my own ignorance at the/that time but hopefully they can read that and avoid the pitfalls associated with editing in that topic area, but as you rightfully said, this is beneficial to the community as a whole, be it old or new editors, anyone can benefit from knowing what I listed. “One thing that I have noticed in both myself and in other editors is to: avoid editing with one's ego” That statement couldn’t be more correct, in-fact it is (statistically speaking) a factual statement. I’ve seen good editors lose editing privileges due to attaching ego to editing. I believe that, if that write up can help even just (one) editor i would feel fulfilled. Yes NZ, thank you so much for asking, I’m in good health condition and my environment is perfect, I trust all is great with you as well. Celestina007 (talk) 16:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My talk page

I just removed some information from my talk page because someone claimed I was violating the topic ban by putting it there. To me this seems to be built on an overly broad reading of the topic ban. Could you look at it to see what you think. I do not see any way the person in question could be considered a religious leader. The article on her does not even identify any religious position she ever held.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • The information related to a politician and media personality, and to categorization by the intersection of century lived in and ethnicity. I am not sure how anyone could interpret the person to be a religious leader at all, nothing in her article at all says that she lead any level of religion, not even mentioning any position she may have had at a local congregational level, and the categories I was talking about have absolutely nothing at all to do with religion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:26, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Ede

Hello, Celestina007,

You're a new page reviewer so I am hoping you could look this article over. It was moved from Draft space to main space by the page creator after it was moved to Draft space by DGG. I'm not familiar with the sources and maybe you have a better understanding of whether they are reliable. I'm always a little skeptical of anyone whose job is "entrepreneur". Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 01:27, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz, Sorry for the late response I’ve been a little preoccupied with real life and work. You are very much apt and justified when you say you are skeptical about articles that contain the word entrepreneur as that is a major red flag, it seems the article isn’t on mainspace anymore(now deleted alongside the draft article) regardless i shall be keeping a close eye on the article creator(now blocked) and any other (possible) iteration of that article that may be created. Thanks for stopping by dear friend. Celestina007 (talk) 14:33, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Ugochukwu Aronu page

Hi, I think you got me wrong i have no promotional material in text and the person in question is virtually the first biggest crypto developer in the entire subsaharan africa and possibly, Africa too. Highlighting the achievements are talking about notable names here at this end- I still have references from Techcrunch and a host of others, I just left my seat to set lunch. And I have my day time job to also so, incase you feel I am too slow with that. -jefak007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jefak007 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jefaka007, “I think you got me wrong i have no promotional material in text”, Nope! wrong, this right here is literally the first revision of the article so that invalidates that statement. Secondly “the person in question is virtually the first biggest crypto developer in the entire subsaharan africa”, does not confer notability neither is it a notability criterion. “I still have references from Techcrunch”, TechCrunch is not a reliable source. “I just left my seat to set lunch. And I have my day time job to also so, incase you feel I am too slow with that”, I’m afraid I can’t make heads or tails of that statement, try again maybe? Celestina007 (talk) 16:12, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
celestina007 Hi, I was not trying to promote anything actually, sorry if it came out that way. secondly I meant i went to get food. Thirdly, we are in Subsaharan African, as it is called, Nigeria to be specific, a third world country, You'll agree with me that pioneers of the now spread and trending cryptocurrency streak are quite celebrities at this point, as it has been a major source of living and sustainance for millions of masses living in the country and other countries around. What i was trying to explain was, i was still editing, i just stepped out, and for the Nigerian space, I found a handfull of reliable sources, from Punch to Dailytrust, Businessday, Vanguard, Guardian, Newtelegraph and others. I hope you understand. Jefak007 --Jefak007 (talk) 16:28, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jefak007, Please can you answer the questions in one place you are asking in multiple places making it tiresome for me to have to go to different places to answer your questions.
”celestina007 Hi, I was not trying to promote anything actually, sorry if it came out that way” You owe me no apology. “and for the Nigerian space, I found a handfull of reliable sources, from Punch to Dailytrust, Businessday, Vanguard, Guardian, Newtelegraph and others. I hope you understand, I’m acquainted with Nigerian sources. Even though you are yet to expressly state that you have no COI with the subject of the article, I believe you are implying that no COI exists. Can you show me the sources you say substantiates the fact that this Businessman/Entrepreneur is notable? Can you show me the sources here? Celestina007 (talk) 16:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@celestina007 I have no COI with the person, I think i have said that before, no connections whatsoever, I also do not know him - As for the sources, Ill share some links below
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/defi-credit-union-platform-xend-150000094.html
https://punchng.com/how-i-discovered-use-of-blockchain-technology-to-build-africa-ugochukwu-aronu/
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ugochukwu-Aronu-2
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/06/aronu-africa-blockchain-innovator-who-leverages-technology-to-create-solutions/
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2021/03/15/nigerians-turn-to-stablecoins-for-protection-against-inflation/
https://ventureburn.com/2020/11/nigerias-xend-finance-secures-1-5-million-funding/
https://nairametrics.com/2021/11/09/wicrypt-secures-1-5m-funding-to-expand-across-africa/
https://www.newtelegraphng.com/ugochukwu-aronu-founder-of-xend-finance-global-leading-block-chain-defi-start-up/
https://blockbuild.africa/the-converge-blockchain-has-unlocked-siloed-wealth-for-africans-obinna-iwuno/
https://dailytrust.com/how-ugochukwu-aronu-is-creating-blockchain-solutions-in-africa
https://businessday.ng/news/article/over-5000-people-in-africa-to-benefit-from-xend-finance-hackathon/
https://venturesafrica.com/nigerian-fintech-xend-has-launched-a-business-assistant-tool-for-smes-named-geena/
https://www.ripplesnigeria.com/nigerias-wicrypt-closes-1-5m-funding-to-scale-venture-1-other-thing-and-a-trivia/
https://editor.guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/ugochukwu-aronu-innovatively-creating-blockchain-solutions-for-the-world/
https://tribuneonlineng.com/nigerian-government-needs-more-education-around-blockchain-digital-currencies-%E2%80%95ugochukwu-aronu-founder-of-africas-first-defi-platform/
https://techpoint.africa/2021/09/23/galaxy-digital-ceo-mike-novogratz-others-partner-with-xend-finance-to-launch-the-biggest-hackathon-in-africa-with-over-1000000-in-prizes/
https://thenationonlineng.net/paxful-achieves-n92-25b-transactions-in-four-months/
https://techpoint.africa/2021/07/13/paxful-celebrates-6th-anniversary-convenes-weeklong-global-virtual-conference/
There are some others i still see, event invitations calling on His notability and so on... I hope you understand me now --Jefak007 (talk) 17:04, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jefak007, Thank you, can you please be more helpful by removing the WP:REFBOMB and just show me your best WP:THREE sources, that should suffice, just three solid sources. Celestina007 (talk) 17:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@celestina007 If i Understand you well, although I am not sure I do
https://nairametrics.com/2021/11/09/wicrypt-secures-1-5m-funding-to-expand-across-africa/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/defi-credit-union-platform-xend-150000094.html
https://businessday.ng/news/article/over-5000-people-in-africa-to-benefit-from-xend-finance-hackathon/
But from the list above, you'll find that atleast half those sources are solid. —Jefak007 (talk) 17:28, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jefak007, before I analyze the sources I’d like to point out that I’m unhappy you aren’t indenting properly and you have spent 10 years here, although I think you aren’t to blame as you have just 73 edits which is indicative that you aren’t a regular user. (I have gone on to indent all entries here properly) please see WP:INDENT for more information. Okay so The first source doesn’t discuss him with in-depth significant coverage, Infact the source isn’t primarily about him. Plus Nairametrics is yet to develop a reputation for fact checking. The second source is a pre packaged sponsored post. The third and final source fails to satisfy SIGCOV as the source/piece isn’t primarily about him. So if the aforementioned are your best or strongest sources then I’m afraid that article doesn’t pass out notability threshold. Furthermore you made this comment above “@celestina007 If i Understand you well, although I am not sure I do” Believe it or not I’m very fluent in all three major Nigerian languages plus the Nigerian Pidgin English as I have lived in Nigeria for 20+ years so if you want me to, I can explain it to you in the language you find most easy to comprehend and I would be more than happy to do so if it aids you. Celestina007 (talk) 19:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@celestina007 For notability, I actually feel it was proven and those references out there tie his personality to those famous and trendstarting contents. and posts like this ::::[4] explain His notability, being called upon, referred notability for prime cryptocurrency events on the continent. the second, source was written by a Crypto Journalist from Coindesk, Sebastian Sinclair - And you will find that other platforms took information from that Coindesk material, even Yahoo news deemed it viable for news. Writing about trending projects is actually not prepackaged sponsored post. [5] goes on to talk about His person in an introductory manner, connecting him to all platforms and trending news. About your spoken languages, good, very good. --Jefak007 (talk) 04:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jefak007, you have cited 3 sources in your comments above, of which I have explained to you before, but I don’t mind explaining once more. The First source you cited literally has the byline as bandpress, The second source is pre packaged material which I have explained to you before, they just copy pasted material from here which happens to be dependent on the subject of the article, so I hope you understand what pre-packaged means now, as I won’t be explaining that again. The last source you cited above has the byline as reporter which is indicative of an op-ed or an opinion piece, quite unreliable all the same. Celestina007 (talk) 04:29, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@celestina007 Please check and observe these things well, i know you probably have a bulk of work at hand - the information was not copied from there, that Source was reiterated on the part of the website titled "International Media Coverage", where Techcrunch, Coindesk and Decypt can be found on the homepage, those articles are not original to this site, so were not copied from... On the other handm The source having reporter If you look well, you will find that to be the name of an author who can be found here, it is not a byline --Jefak007 (talk) 13:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jefak007, if a bunch of websites that aren’t blogs are publishing the same promotional material word for word it is invariably a sponsored post & no, this literally has the byline as “reporter” & not an actual staff reporter. Celestina007 (talk) 13:50, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@celestina007 I sincerely do not understand - Virtually all the references are news blogs, And i just explained that the host website reshared what was said about them on their own platform - Also there was no byline there as "reporter", the link is clickable with the link structure "author", staffs can choose to name their display whatever they choose - an hyperlink you can follow to see other posts written by the author. It feels the opinion has been set already and no matter what comes, nothing changes... Thank you for your time. --Jefak007 (talk) 14:35, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jefak007 ”Virtually all the references are news blogs” according to what is outlined in RS, that is a very wrong and flawed statement as all sources aren’t WP:NEWSBLOGS. “Also there was no byline there as "reporter"” wrong again, if you can just take a second to click on this it expressly states “reporter” which can be indicative of an op-ed, an editorial opinion piece or a WP:SPONSORED post (which may fall under op-Ed), in all, all these do not translate nor proof notability as the pieces from all the sources are flawed. “staffs can choose to name their display whatever they choose” Very wrong yet again as that is not quite how sourcing works, please see WP:RS. Take your time to internalize it, do not read my responses to react, rather read them to understand better. Thank you for your time as well, do enjoy the rest of your evening.Celestina007 (talk) 00:06, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@celestina007 I have been saying it is the chosen display name of staff, not a byline - on that page, it says "AUTHOR: REPORTER", with the author's handle as "9624tund5". The same profile wrote "Socialise carefully warns Johnson, amid record UK Covid cases", would you call that sponsored too? Or would you say that had the byline reporter too? How would you call a name a secondary title? even as little as it is placed alongside the date and comments line? Everyone has rights to creativity, however they deem fit - Also, according to wiki, news platforms are trustworthy, I provided over 5 of those, you said otherwise, provided refs from the same field, refs from as far a reiteration from yahoo news to confirm that what the person is doing is notable, hence, a spill on the person, I do not know what else to do sincerely, --Jefak007 (talk) 07:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jefak007, Alright whatever you say. Celestina007 (talk) 09:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@celestina007 please check the talk page for the article draft, i tagged you there, so you can check the article now... Made some modifications --Jefak007 (talk) 11:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please submit via AFC, I’m afraid I’m done here. Celestina007 (talk) 12:55, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Autopatrol stripper

I do rather like the concept of an "autopatrol stripper" but I think you meant that the UPE had had their autopatrol stripped, at AfD on Victory Obasi... (I agree with you, by the way, and thanks for your clean-up efforts on promotional articles) Elemimele (talk) 16:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Elemimele, thank you for the kind words, but Novem Linguae is who you should really be thanking, it was they, who alerted me to the non notable promotional articles. Celestina007 (talk) 16:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy holidays

Everlasting Fireworks looped
Everlasting Fireworks looped
 Bring on the cheer!

Hi Celestina007, May you have a bright and beautiful holiday season
and a happy and healthy 2022!

Netherzone (talk) 17:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Netherzone (talk) 17:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone, happy holidays to you too my dear friend 💗. Celestina007 (talk) 23:35, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Holiday greetings (2021)

Celestina,
I sincerely hope your holiday season goes well this year especially with what we went through last year. I'm optimistic that 2022 will be a better year for all of us: both in real life and on Wikipedia. Wishing you the best from, Interstellarity (talk) 18:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Interstellarity, oh my! Thank you so much for the kind words, my health is so much better now, my last surgical operation was very successful. I really appreciate the kind words, a merry Christmas to you and yours dear colleague and indeed this coming year would be great for both of us in all spheres of all life, on or off wiki. Celestina007 (talk) 23:43, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wishing you well this December

Happy Yuletide!

Merry Yuletide to you! (And a happy new year!) [received your recent ping, but did not have much to add; so, decided to leave this instead] — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:46, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Godsy, Awwwnn I love you dear colleague, merry Christmas to you and yours. Celestina007 (talk) 03:44, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas, Celestina007!
Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 01:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC) [reply]
@onel5969, I really do appreciate the kind words, merry Christmas dear friend, thanks for being a mentor to me. Celestina007 (talk) 18:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Need your opinion

Dear Celestina007, I have strong hunch - Revolt Motors, Super Soco and Vmoto - all three pages are paid creations. The creator is contradicting with their own edits and giving bogus justifications at all the respective AfDs. Since, it was you who first caught discrepancy at Vmoto and launched the AfD, so your opinion on other two will be highly critical. Could you assist? Also, tagging Timtrent and HighKing for their opinions. Thanks in advance. - Hatchens (talk) 01:30, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hatchens, thank you for the notification, I do not believe they are genuine articles, In my opinion their verbose is indicative of the likely obvious. Celestina007 (talk) 18:01, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Greetings

Hello Celestina007: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, John B123 (talk) 15:46, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message
@John B123, Herostratus, thanks for the holiday greetings, merry Christmas to you both and no, thank you!! really, without Herostratus I would have quit editing in my first year here due to the hostility I encountered but they were the first to be kind to me and John, your works at NPP are beyond top notch! Your excellence gives NPP hope! Happy holidays to you both!!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

Hi Celestina007, Wish you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thank you for your support and great work on Wikipedia. Happy Holidays. DMySon (talk) 14:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@DMySon, thanks DMS, I appreciate the kind words happy holidays dear friend. Celestina007 (talk) 17:52, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas 2021

Merry Christmas everybody!!!
Merry Christmas everybody!!!

"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,

I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)

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You are referred to here, too

The reference to you is oblique. I have decided I had to make a reply. This diff is the reply. I intend to stay out of the discussion now and let those present determine the outcome, but I have felt it necessary to point out that I had not been notified. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 01:34, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did tell them that they’d be inundated with editors telling them how G5's are very much applicable. Celestina007 (talk) 02:07, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, either we will have a new consensus, or they will be reminded of the existing one.
I have replied to your ANI thread as I promised I would. Thank you for the notification. As usual I have tried to be measured and, yes, kind.
What I want to know is why I am editing on Christmas morning! 😂 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 09:30, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent, Ah! That’s a very very very very very thought provoking question that may require hours of thinking really really really hard before one can come up with an answer, Ah wait! Ive gotten the answer, it is because we are nerds 😂. Celestina007 (talk) 17:13, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fellow nerd, here. I have a request, one friend to another.
Please look at the difference between your responses and mine. I don't ask you to be as even handed as I am. What I ask is for you to consider how you might alter a few aspects to appear a little more serene when handling things which are blindingly obvious to you, yet not so obvious to others.
The outcome will be an increase in the respect others have for you and your work. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 20:56, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas!

Season's greetings and Merry Christmas to you and your family. Have a wonderful holiday season. Cheers! RV (talk) 04:03, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings

@RAJIVVASUDEV, thanks love, Merry Christmas to you and do have a happy holiday. Celestina007 (talk) 17:17, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More Progress at Anti UPE

Timtrent assigned me a task in which the goal was to check for socking by a particular editor, I accepted this task and did this which confirmed the possibility of socking and led to yet another dismantling of another UPE ring and as direct consequence, it led to an indef block. The editor Luciapop is a sock of the LTA Ugbedeg. Celestina007 (talk) 17:31, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year!

Hello Celestina007, That was a heartwarming ping. Thank you very much for the kind message, the respect is mutual. I greatly value your work on Wikipedia. 🙂

Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ToBeFree, Awwnn this is so heartwarming, love you mate, do have a Merry Christmas and do enjoy the holidays. Celestina007 (talk) 23:09, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
😊 Thank you! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wishing you a happy new year

Obviously we are disagreeing about an article and issues around it, but I do recognise your good faith intentions towards wikipedia principles and therefore want to wish you a happy 2022 when it comes. CT55555 (talk) 12:45, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@CT55555, a happy new year to you too in advance. I’m removing the COI tag on the article, as you have expressly stated none exists, look, I’m not even against COI or paid editing (I’m not insinuating you are guilty of either) but my problem is when the COI or paid editing is undisclosed, creating an article on a Nigerian businessman is more often than not a red flag for me in general, having said, You are at utmost sovereignty to create any articles you wish to create but I want to see you create articles of encyclopedic value. Like I said your choice areas remains your prerogative and I definitely respect your autonomy. I want to see you flourish and achieve your potential to the fullest, but I need to know I can trust you, I need you to be honest at all times, forgive the verbose. Happy holidays to you and yours. Celestina007 (talk) 13:15, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I write articles about a few topics. Most centre around humanitarian health and environmental/energy. I've recently written about such programs, people, and issues in Canada, UK, Ethiopia, South Sudan, Libya, Uganda, Kenya, and Syria. I'm not focussed on Nigeria, his solar energy seemed legitimatly notable to me. My intention is to get more humanitarian and environmental and arts contenton Wikipedia, that is the theme of my work. It seems very unlikely that you'll see more about Nigerian businessmen from me here, but I did also submit a draft about ColdHubs separate from the article we are discussing. I spent time wondering if it should create one or two, his farming/radio work tipped me towards two articles. Anyway, thanks for removing the tag. And with regards to your efforts to keep wikipedia "pure" (not sure if that is the right word) I commend you, it seems like a public service and I expect it is not an enjoyable experience, hopefully it is rewarding, we have a good thing here with this website. . CT55555 (talk) 13:31, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is in-fact an enjoyable experience for me as I work predominantly at WP:spam and new page reviewing, it is a privilege and honor for me to serve the community. I believe “Spam free” is the appropriate word. Insofar as you edit in accordance with policy, I would support you, but if not, I wouldn’t. Happy holidays. Celestina007 (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Victor Abugo

Can you advise whether the references cited for Draft:Victor Abugo are reliable enough to establish notablity ? Dan arndt (talk) 14:55, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dan arndt, ah! Thank you for the notification my dear friend I’d get right into in it by exactly 2200 hours. I’m a little preoccupied at the moment. Celestina007 (talk) 19:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dan arndt, having carefully observed all sources optimized, they are all unreliable. Celestina007 (talk) 21:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remember Hamis Kiggundu?

Have a look at https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hamis_Kiggundu. I am not asking you to do anything. Interesting, though, that a Ugandan IP address challenged my speedy deletion notice there! FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 23:24, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Timtrent, This is as strange as it is puzzling, I’m not even sure i understand their angle anymore. They successfully via brutal force bulldozed their way into en.m why then are they spamming across other sister projects? I got so irritated I was going to vote a speedy delete but I couldn’t due to the page being protected, i really do not understand the motivation for them to continue spamming. Celestina007 (talk) 23:37, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To me it is simple. HK appears not to be necessarily pleasant, and I suspect they are concerned about him. I have just been chasing every angle down where I am able. I suspect HK is notable, but I detest the gangs actions FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 23:40, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent, I find their actions unbecoming as well, in any case, I’m laid back because I know you are more than capable of holding your own. Celestina007 (talk) 23:44, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Laid back is a great state of mind for all actions here and on other platforms. Militant politeness and gentleness always leave us with the moral high ground FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 23:46, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent, Beyond apt! My friend, very true. Celestina007 (talk) 23:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It also has a habit of winning the battle and then the war. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 23:54, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think that topic ban discussion for another just illustrated the absolute need to be completely serene, even when handling the most challenging problems FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 10:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent, honestly, I’ve adopted a laid back approach to most things since July 2021. I believe as editors we should put in the best we can and let the system do the rest, what would be would be. Celestina007 (talk) 13:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:MC Tagwaye

Here is another one, Draft:MC Tagwaye, that I'd appreciate you checking the references/sources on. Dan arndt (talk) 05:28, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dan arndt, I’d attend to this immediately. Celestina007 (talk) 21:58, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dan arndt, thank you for the notification, from my own analysis or opinion, I’d say the first draft article Draft:MC Tagwaye was/is a genuine article but unfortunately our general notability criteria wasn’t met & neither was WP:ENT met either. The second draft article which has been declined by Caleb Stanford is in my honest opinion, a possible dubious article, Infact an WP:ADMASQ. Celestina007 (talk) 22:06, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year, Celestina007!

Happy New Year!

Celestina007,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Abishe, I can only presume you reside in a country probably 6 hours ahead of the Nigerian time. Ah! In that case, you my friend are already in the future! Happy new year to you too my friend, its kind of funny how I took interest in you because your username sounded(sounds too Nigerian!) Once more, I wish you a happy new year and a prosperous one. Celestina007 (talk) 17:23, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Celestina007, yeah I remember that funny banter between you and me regarding whether my username sounds similar to that of Nigerian. Anyway thank you mate for the wishes and hope for the best in the future. Its already 2022 here now and yeah we are ahead in terms of timezone and wish you a great year ahead. Cheers. Abishe (talk) 20:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you!

Dear Celestina, Thank you for your valuable oversight! I look forward to your guidance in the course of my journey as a budding wiki editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oria 6 (talk • contribs) 05:31, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dont mention it, I’m happy I can be of service. Celestina007 (talk) 05:48, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New Message

Thanks, Ive found another, Draft:Oluyemi Fasipe which looks dubious to me.Dan arndt (talk) 06:27, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dan arndt, thank you for the notification, the draft article is a strong possible ADMASQ, perhaps an autobiography even, I completely removed the External links section as they were blatant ELSPAM. I removed other promotional content there also. Honestly, I couldn’t thank you, Timtrent and DGG enough for your vigilance in monitoring possible unethical editing in Nigeria related articles. Celestina007 (talk) 14:29, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, I can't state it there

because that wouldn't be helping either. I don't know what the point of blanking my previous comment here means, so unless you tell me otherwise, I'll assume from here on out that it means I'm not welcome on your talk page? But I'm not going to pour even more gasoline on the fire at Fram's talk page. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:34, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Celestina007, check your email. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:41, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Floquenbeam, come on mate, you know you are always welcome here, the blanking was rather rude(on my part) & yes I do agree that the comment was inflammatory, and that wasn’t my intention. @Ritchie333, I’ve seen and replied to it. Celestina007 (talk) 22:51, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@Atibrarian, a happy new year to you too mate. Celestina007 (talk) 20:00, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question re: Amanchor Cave

Hi Celestina, I just saw this new article and it took my interest because it's about a cave. I did a bit of clean up, but don't have your experience assessing Nigerian sources. I don't care one way or another if it's kept. If you have a moment to check the sources, that would be great. Netherzone (talk) 17:25, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Netherzone, NZ thanks for reaching out, it also took my interest because it is remotely related to the occult and I’m appreciate of anything related to mysticism because they are always of encyclopedic value, straight to your question, the first source is not reliable, absolutely no presence of an editorial oversight, the second source is still generally “considered reliable” in this collaborative project, now, although I have documented a plethora of examples on their unreliability I haven’t opened a formal discussion on if or not it should be deprecated so for we still consider it reliable (or one of those sources you use with caution) the third source is however reliable. So technically speaking, I think the only problematic source is the first one the rest are okay. Celestina007 (talk) 20:14, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, I had forgotten about your interest in the occult! Thank you for your input on the citations, that is good news. I will look for some other references, to develop the article, and will look to see if I can find a free image. Netherzone (talk) 00:07, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Netherzone, thanks mate, sometime in the very distant future, several years from now, I’d probably abandon most of my day to day activities and devote my life to study of the occult. I have dabbled in it, and still do, but would want to go more in-depth. I know, I’m a weird one. Celestina007 (talk) 23:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This one may be UPE

Special:Contributions/Gazinit shows a major interest in broadly non notable albums and artists. Already on final warning. Uploads to Commons all nominated for deletion. I don't want to be prejudiced against African material, but my antennae are twitching FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 10:48, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They have been clocked on Commons as a Sockpuppet. The question is of whom? I have asked the blocking admin there. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 14:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And now here. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 16:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Timtrent, that’s a possible sock account, I’m pretty sure it is though, of whom? I honestly can’t say. Furthermore, no, you aren’t prejudiced, regardless of wherever the article is originating from, if they don’t meet the required threshold it is behoove of you (us/any reviewer) to carry out their duties. Celestina007 (talk) 22:55, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh

Hello, Celestina007,

Did you have any clue that User:Annie_Kingdom was a sockpuppet? I have interacted with her a lot lately in the speedy deletion categories and articles that were draftified and even though I had to correct some of her zealous patrolling, I was completely shocked to see that she was blocked.

Since she was sockpuppet of a sockmaster you seem familiar with (Ugbedeg), I thought I'd ask you what you thought and if you saw any red flags. Looking through her contributions, she wrote about Argentine politicians so I don't really see any similarity in article creation. Any way. Liz Read! Talk! 03:16, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Liz, At this point I think Ugbedeg should be officially be documented as an LTA. Jeez, I mean, take a look at this Ironically, i don’t believe I have ever interacted with Annie_Kingdom nor ever even encountered their edits, so as to the question of if I had a clue they were socking, I dont believe I even knew they existed, the truth is, even if I knew them, I probably wouldn’t even have guessed they were a sock of Ugbedeg, because I can’t even see an edit pattern nor similarities in choice of topic areas, but it isn’t uncommon that a serial abuser would know to consciously edit inversely as they did in a previous account. Generally my thinking is I do not need to do much (or any) confrontation at an editor that I suspect of engaging in unethical practices. I firmly believe in the ideology that anyone engaging in unethical practices would eventually be nabbed irrespective of time or knowledge of skills in evading scrutiny, I mean, I didn’t even know about this editor and somehow they got nabbed and were linked to Ugbedeg(who usually edited in Nigeria related articles) Usedtobecool mentioned something about e-mails, and yes they are correct in the sense that I would give explicit details to only sysops(like yourself) functionaries and very trusted anti spam editors in a mail as opposed to stating them on mainspace as I used to do in the past. Celestina007 (talk) 03:06, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Minor barnstar
For doing minor AWB edits to a few articles on my watchlist. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 03:39, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@I dream of horses, I’m not sure I’ve interacted with you before now, I probably have and I can’t remember, but for the longest time, not only have i admired your username, I literally have admired everything about your personality and how you edit and this has been from 2016 when I registered, thanks for the Barnstar, I also want to commend your activity at the WP:APAT PERM venue. Celestina007 (talk) 06:10, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A major thanks to Primefac who gave me a chance to serve in this capacity as well. Celestina007 (talk) 06:12, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PropertyPro.ng

Hey, you asked me to let you know if the prod on that article was contested last year, and it was, but I forgot about it completely. So here's Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/PropertyPro.ng. FalconK (talk) 07:47, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Falcon Kirtaran, thank you for bringing this to my notice. The article creator was clearly an SPA for the sole purpose of bringing that article to mainspace. I find it somewhat cringeworthy that the article has remained on mainspace for so long, 5 years now I believe, despite it being non notable and an WP:ADMASQ if I’m not mistaken 331dot was the first editor to correctly note something off about the article. Something you might also find interesting is an editor named Kolapoimam was a major contributor to that article, of course then we weren’t aware they would eventually become a serial abuser and sock master. Falcon, I can’t thank you enough for bringing this to my notice, please if you are looking at a Nigeria related article and are not sure of its integrity or having problem with source analysis, please do not hesitate to leave me a message as you just did. Celestina007 (talk) 09:26, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nafiu Bala Rabiu Article

Hello, thank you very much for your review and correction on Nafiu Bala Rabiu's article. However, if there is anyway you can help me improve this article or guide me on how to improve it, I will be much grateful but if it is necessary for deletion then there is no problem but please I will like your tips in creating more articles to better myself in the future so as to avoid issues of deletion. Have a nice day. Moshswacide (talk) 11:15, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Harold Lawrence Katcher

I just notice you added tags to the article on Harold Lawrence Katcher. I am still trying to figure out why an article claiming the subject was born in 2034, on January 38th no less, was able to sit around to get multiple tags, instead of someone saying "Wait a moment, this information here is impossible." And reacting to it in a way that more clearly indicates it can not be facutally correct. It is articles like this that make me thing we need to go to making all articles go through the AfC process. We should not have a system that allows articles to be created claiming that their subject will not be born for 12 years. It does appear that Katcher is in fact a real person, although my preliminary studies suggest he probably is excluded from inclusion based on fringe rules. He does seem to be working on some sort of anti-aging process, but there does not seem to be peer review of his work, and he clearly fails any existing criteria for academic inclusion, and the coverage I can see does not look to be from sources that would fulfill the criteria for reliable, or at least not both reliable and in-depth about him.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:34, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnpacklambert, my thinking is the editor made a honest mistake there, the individual is a real person, John B123 prodded the article which was the right course of action and self de-prodded it after sources were added to the article, which is also in accordance with conventional NPP, I’m also not seeing WP:NACADEMIC met, but I honestly don’t really review nor nominate for deletion articles on academics, I leave that to DGG & Rosguill who are grand masters in that field. I also note that John did not nominate it for deletion and they have explained to me in the past as to why they are conservative about nominating articles for deletion, which i found very informative and thought provoking, this philosophy, consciously or unconsciously has being practiced by other veteran reviewers such as Scope_creep, onel5969, and a host of other NPP veteran reviewers. The truth is AFD is no longer as effective as it once was, a quintessential example would be you JPL, you were to a large extent one of the most prolific (if not the most prolific) participant in AFD's and helped remove non notable articles off mainspace but we all bore witness to the “hot water” that got you in, when you mention that all articles ought to be passed through AFC, I support this, but Im also very pragmatic and I know that isn’t ever happening (or at least anytime soon) Celestina007 (talk) 21:36, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
See [6] re the impossible dob. Regards. --John B123 (talk) 21:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@John B123 What in the world??? And to think I was actually giving them the benefit of doubt. Celestina007 (talk) 22:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have moved that article to draft. It is was insufficiently sourced and already had a tag on it. It has no place on mainspace. That is the ideal place for the editor to work on it. No wonder Cullen328 got mad. What a ridiculous state of affairs. scope_creepTalk 22:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In actuality what GoingBatty, myself and any other editor who cleaned up the article optimized was probably a semi automated tool, or perhaps, saw it and said “this must be a honest mistake and I’d help them do a google search and correct it on their behalf” and forgot altogether to do so because to be honest, the academic was actually a real person. This is as bizarre as they come, up until today, I wouldn’t have ever believed an editor would add blatant falsehood and say “yeah I did that on purpose” this is indeed puzzling, what put me off is the fact that the editor was getting salty with Cullen328 as though CU328 didn’t have a legitimate reason to be annoyed with them. Celestina007 (talk) 23:02, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Omo Iya

I really liked your edit on Reformed Ogboni Fraternity. It seemed much more balanced than it was previously, in line with what is found in the Anti-Masonry section of the article on Freemasonry. I made some cosmetic changes, but generally it was all good. Well done, my sister. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 00:16, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Omo iya, you are very correct and I’m really grateful you appreciate the new changes. I believe, Generally, Most people (unfortunately including myself) are too quick to promote foreign ideologies whilst we forget to promote that which is ours, once again I’m happy you are happy with the changes i made. Celestina007 (talk) 00:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there

I've followed you for quite some time and your efforts at pointing out socks and paid editing. I wonder if you could take a look at something and just give me your advice as to what you see?

In conversation on User_talk:Torterra_Ketchum_5999, Itcouldbepossible made a claim that an IP editor is in fact Amkgp, even acknowledging they were blocked but edits on Wikipedia as an IP[15] to "help others". The editor, Torterra_Ketchum_5999, has been asked to either confirm or deny whether they are a paid editor which includes direct payment for article creation or simply an employee of Magic Moments Motions Pictures. Something that, at this point, they have not addressed. I will admit that, in both cases, the circumstantial evidence is there. @Torterra could just be a fan but they do seem to have some inside knowledge. In the case of the IP, it is possible they edit within a range of IP's but their knowledge of Wikipedia, as evidenced on User talk:Shinnosuke15 is alarming, including being directly addressed as Amkgp[16]. Amkgp had a history of editing while logged out even before being blocked and it continued after they retired User talk:Amkgp. Also disturbing is @Itcouldbepossible's attempt at canvassing through this conversation. [17]. Thanks for looking at it and offering insight. --ARoseWolf 17:22, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ARoseWolf, hello there, this is an interesting one, yes Nick noted a long time ago that Amkgp was in the habit of logging out to edit on AN as an IP. I’m not really sure I understand what is going on here but if Itcouldbepossible is stating categorically that the IP is Amkgp and goes on (to subliminally) hail Amkgp as an editor who “helps others” then that only makes it worse for Amkgp, as invariably they would have been evading a “block” which is abysmal I must say. As you noted, this, is really all shades of strange, but I believe this anomalies should be given special treatment at SPI, if Amkgp's behavioral pattern can be juxtaposed with the named editors then I think a loud quack can be sufficient enough for a clerk to endorse and a sysop to evoke an indef block. Celestina007 (talk) 23:00, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa!!! I just cannot imagine things would have gone so far. Anyway, it is best to clear misconceptions before they go to far. Well, let me tell you celestina that AMKGP has been evading a block since really long. I cannot link all the diffs, but the fact is true. And I am not hailing Amkgp in anyway, and there is not a reason to do so. But, I said the quoted thing because, its really true that he helps newcomers, and same goes for me.
Now, let me clear what the thought that you are having, that I am a sockpuppet of Amkgp. First of all, do you know that I was once blocked, by Blablubbs? Maybe you didn't. Now let me tell you why I was blocked. Well, this Amkgp we are all now taking about and whom you think I am a sock of, he filed a spi case against me, stating at I was a sockpuppet of DasSoumik. He provided some evidences, and that got me blocked for good. Later, Yamla unblocked me, with full consent of Blablubbs, because the technical details did not match at all. Thanks to her, because the evidences that he provided against me were enough for an indefinite block. Now why did Amkgp suddenly go crazy on me. The fact is that he created Ambarish Bhattacharya during "one of their loutsocking stints" as Blablubbs says on his talk page reply, which I have already linked previously. Now why would you think, I would have gone for deleting my own creation, which is applicable if you call me "the sock of Amkgp"? Secondly, why will I (if you consider me to be Amkgp) file a sockpuppet investigation case of another account that I created, especially when I know that the reasons I am giving would block me? Wouldn't it be counter productive to create an account, and then nominate my (if you think I am Amkgp) own article for deletion, and then file a sockpuppet investigation request against that account? I can give you more evidences if you want. I complain extensively about Amkgp on my talk page, and even ask administrators to block off his whole IP range. Then why will be doing that? Why will I be blocking myself (again if you think "myself" to be Amkgp)? Here Amkgp gives me a warning for one of my wrong edits which I had made while reverting vandalism (whereI myself had vandalized the article in an attempt of reversing vandalism, which I think can happen, because at that time I was new), then can you explain me why I (if you thing I am Amkgp) would be giving me a warning? I also give a stern reply to Amkgp, where I threat him, that I will complain against him at WP:ANI, if by any chance he does anything that I don't like. Again, why will I threat myself to complain at WP:ANI? You may not have answers to this questions, as you just made a wild guess against me, with just one evidence (that too a diff), and without investigating the matter in detail.
But, slowly I understood that Amkgp is not bad and would not be troubling me, and I saw that he follows me everywhere (which I did not like at the beginning), and helps me out when I do wrong editing (like messing up with wiki tags, or markups), and he even helped me reuse a reference in one of the articles that I had been developing. See this. And also he left a note on my talk page, on how to reuse references properly. And also he used to make good faith edits while editing, like adding citation to unreferenced things, and also adding trp details (along with citations), to Bengali TV shows. And from them on, I understood that he is good, and tries to help others out if he can. And that is why I said "helps other", with which you are thinking wrong things about me.
Well now to speak the truth, I never knew Rose Wolf would get so much violent, with such a small thing. Wonder what he /she has done? He / she has brought up the issue on Blablubbs talk page!!! Now really, that is somewhat funny. Anyway, I wrote a huge message just to make things as clear as possible. You can also put yourself in my place and think what you would have done is such a case. Imagine, I calling you a sockpuppet of someone else, just relying only one or two things. Ok, to sum up, I apologize for any misunderstanding that may have been caused. I think RoseWolf would be able to understand what I said, and clear any misconception that they might have of me. May you have a great editing career ahead. Thanks and regards. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 14:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Itcouldbepossible, I’m afraid I do not understand you, my sole comment pertaining to this ordeal is this very one you are literally replying to, nowhere did I ever state that you were a sock of anyone, so I’m puzzled as to why you’d think I’m assuming or thinking that you are Amkgp, in-fact it was you who has expressly stated twice now that Amkgp is evading their block to which my advice to ARW was to take this to SPI, this is easily substantiated as my advice (is literally above), thus my amazement as to why you are making statements such as “if you call me "the sock of Amkgp"?” what are you saying? who called you a sock? and where? I’m assuming good faith here but please do not cast such aspersions next time. Celestina007 (talk) 21:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nigerian artists

If you have the time can you check out, Draft:Makayla Malaka, and let me know what you think of the referencing. Thanks Dan arndt (talk) 03:29, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dan arndt, thank you Dan for the notification, I’m at work so my network is crap but I did have a wonderful time analyzing the sources, it’s nothing like I’ve seen before, so, the first is a guest editor (unreliable piece), The second is pre packaged Pr sponsored material, The third source is yet another pre packaged pr sponsored material (the fact that this generally accepted reliable source is trying to pass this off as a legitimate article is quite alarming) The fourth source is a re-echo of the third source (which is an unreliable pr sponsored piece) The fifth source has a byline that reads “agency report” this is a quintessential example of an op-ed source (piece). The Sixth source is quite sketchy but “decent” all the same, overtly promotional as you or anyone can observe but It meets the conventional tenets of WP:RS, The seventh source clearly falls short of WP:SIGCOV. The eight source has no reputation for fact checking, none whatsoever. The ninth and final source is a written by a guest editor, obviously isn’t reliable as it bypasses the “Editorial”. So in all we have one decent source, and one borderline good source (the sixth source and seventh source respectively). To be honest I don’t think I have ever seen so much effort put into PR like I’m seeing here, there’s no way this wouldn’t utterly confuse someone who isn’t familiar with Nigerian sources. There’s also another issue about the article Creation. That’s an entirely different discussion for another time but look at the three significant contributors and what do you see? This is a good WP:ADMASQ i should also add, I’m going ahead to decline it. Thanks once more Dan. Celestina007 (talk) 11:40, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Scaramanga Silk

Hello there.

You made a suggestion on my Scaramanga Silk page. You stated that my page was an 'Orphan', and advised me to link it to another page.

I'm not sure how to link my page to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_valuable_records where Scaramanga Silk's name is mentioned in the 16th bullet point from the top.

Many thanks,

Polly Kiersten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polly Kiersten (talk • contribs) 15:59, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Hello there, Celestina007.

You may ignore my previous message, as I've made a link to Scaramanga Silk's name from the 'List of most valuable records' Wikipedia page.

Thanks,

Polly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polly Kiersten (talk • contribs) 16:17, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Polly Kiersten, hello, sorry for the late response, I see you have stated that the issue has been resolved. Alright then. Celestina007 (talk) 20:56, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For future purposes, you may use Edward betts to de-orphan articles. Celestina007 (talk) 02:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TY

Thanks for looking out on my TP, i'm significantly less active now and don't have the necessary patience, so I appreciate it. Hope you're doing well. SANTADICAE🎅 18:25, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Praxidicae, I’m doing well Praxi and I hope you are too, no worries, it’s an honor. Celestina007 (talk) 19:29, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely been a trying few months and being away from WP has been better for me, so not sure I'll ever come back in the same capacity but I appreciate dedicated editors like you. Thanks for all you do. ♥ SANTADICAE🎅 19:36, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Praxidicae, that’s sad to hear as no one can replicate your body of work, and I mean this literally, if editing sparingly or taking a break is what is best for you, then please by all means I support you as your life choice(s) takes preeminence over WP. Thank you for the kind words I’m very grateful for them. Celestina007 (talk) 20:42, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Invisible Flock

Celestina007,

I've now added categories to the Invisible Flock page.

Many thanks,

Polly Polly Kiersten (talk) 17:15, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to know. Celestina007 (talk) 21:51, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Goran Anastasovski

I think it now meets the conditions for the page not to be deleted--Dalco26 (talk) 21:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’d leave that for a competent sysop to evaluate and decide. Celestina007 (talk) 22:00, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ok thank you--Dalco26 (talk) 22:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AWB is confused by Interlingue

Hi! Just thought I'd let you know that the suggestions made by AWB on Interlingue grammar are incorrect as it is another language. Interlingue indeed looks close to English in places which is what is setting it off. The ie part is also the code for the language so those don't need to be changed to i.e. either. Mithridates (talk) 01:48, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense. Celestina007 (talk) 12:51, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Skepticism and coordinated editing arbitration case opened

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References

Hello Celestina007! I got your comment on Makayla Malaka draft and I appreciate your review of the draft as it is a learning process for me, I will try and more references that doesn't look like a PR sponsored post, thank you. Karissa 247 (talk) 08:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

Hello Celestina007! I got your comment on Makayla Malaka draft and I appreciate your review of the draft as it is a learning process for me, I will try and more references that doesn't look like a PR sponsored post, thank you. Karissa 247 (talk) 08:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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