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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 195.244.167.108 (talk) at 12:47, 23 December 2022 (→‎Holodomor link in intro doesn't match what the text says.). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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Former good articleUkraine was one of the Geography and places good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Holodomor link in intro doesn't match what the text says.

At the end of the second paragraph of the intro, there's this line: "In the 1930s, millions of Ukrainians were killed by the Holodomor, a Stalin-era man-made famine." It says "man-made famine", yet the link it goes to clearly shows that there is not a consensus. The line should at the least be changed to say just "famine" without "man-made". That entire paragraph has no references either. I'd honestly say a lot of this whole entry relies on users not trying to confirm any of the biased information within and just taking it at face value. Djengle91 (talk) 21:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After scanning the Causes of the Holodomor article, I agree. How do we set up an edit request to change that? סשס Grimmchild. He/him, probably 10:41, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP articles are not considered reliable sources, see WP:RS. The lead section should summarize the article, so references are not needed there. But references are needed in the body of the article, and there is a reference to BBC. So, basically there is no problem, although improvements are surely possible. Rsk6400 (talk) 12:20, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Rsk6400 I'm referring to a link to another Wikipedia article within this article. The link uses the text "man-made famine", but if you follow the link, it goes to the "Causes of the Holodomor" page, which makes it clear there is no consensus on whether it is "man-made" or not. Using "man-made", or even "natural", inserts bias as well as being in opposition to its own link.
I don't know all the protocols, but if there's a rule that says "you can't link to an article on long-haired dogs with the text 'short-haired' dogs", this would fall under that. Djengle91 (talk) 18:48, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is consensus among historians that it was man-made. The question is whether it was a consequence of (man-made) collectivization or whether Stalin intentionally used hunger to get rid of possible opposition. The second question is whether the (possibly) intended hunger was targeting Ukrainians specifically, which would mean that it was not only man-made but also genocidal. Even if the article Causes of the Holodomor should not reflect this consensus of historians, the expression "man-made famine" should stand because WP follows consensus of academic research.
But in reality, even Causes of the Holodomor is saying exactly what I outlined above. Rsk6400 (talk) 19:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Belgian Metrotime.be , - reported .
Regarding discovered bunkers where children were tortured.
Does that belong to the topic? Supposedly, she only gave them something to drink once every 2 days.
(To minimize problems of the duodenum .)195.244.167.108 (talk) 12:47, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request to add map of regions and oblasts

There is a better Map of Ukraine showing Regions and Oblasts. Consider adding this new map so that readers are not confused by history. They need a clear presentation of modern Ukraine without all the confusing irrelevant references that only Ukrainians will understand. https://www.cassbeth.com/ukraine/Ukraine-Regions-Oblasts.png (copy and paste the link into your browser, selecting the link is blocked by the website because it is sourced from outside the website) 2601:80:4382:6AB0:EC36:340E:4F8D:10CA (talk) 20:03, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, that link does not work. Secondly, we cannot take maps from elsewhere. Thirdly, it is unclear where you want this sort of map added or what current map is confusing. CMD (talk) 03:28, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
this is spam. somebody should just remove all of it. Manyareasexpert (talk) 11:10, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is not SPAM. The site does not allow other websites to link to images. Clicking on it does not work because the site blocks its images from being links on other websites. If you copy the above link and paste it into the browser it should load. The map is located at [1]https://www.cassbeth.com/ukraine/index.html#Maps-Of-Ukrainian-Lands. Scroll to the bottom of the section. There are 2 maps Ukraine Regions and Ukraine Regions, Oblasts, and Republic of Crimea. Once you see the maps you will know where to place them. This is all done with the best of intentions. 2601:80:4382:6AB0:EC36:340E:4F8D:10CA (talk) 13:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If the site is that protective of its images, then we definitely cannot use them here. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:54, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you understand. It is a practice of websites to prevent other websites from posting links to their images so that they do not have extreme use of bandwidth. This is basic internet operations going back 20 years. Unfortunately this wiki converts all text URLs into link URLs. By the way if you notice on the website there is a copyright notice that clearly states that these maps are released to everyone for any purpose.2601:80:4382:6AB0:EC36:340E:4F8D:10CA (talk) 14:50, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you want to replace

 ? So I have amended the title of this talk page section. This map of oblasts in the article seems to come from a template - don’t you think the clickable links are useful? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:30, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do not replace that map with the links. It is excellent. Add the other map or its variant that shows the regions and names the Oblasts. Think about the map of the USA. It is simple and clear showing the states and or regions. It is a form of branding. Place them side by side. Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:80:4382:6AB0:EC36:340E:4F8D:10CA (talk) 03:21, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
United States does not have a map of regions only states. Personally I think your suggestion would be too many similar maps for this top level article - what do other people think? Also Geography of Ukraine is not restricted - you could edit that if you like. Chidgk1 (talk) 19:41, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Economy

"[...] ; the country was rated 122nd out of 180 in the Corruption Perceptions Index for 2021, the second-lowest result in Europe after Russia."

I think it has to read before russia.

Seriously. 79.248.206.42 (talk) 20:12, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've reviewed the source and it's correctly describer in the article. I suspect you're confused by the phrasing; you might think 'after' means that a change has occcured over time, perhaps between before and after the invasion. Instead, what is meant is that Ukraine comes after Russia on the list, when read from worst to best. David12345 (talk) 15:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 December 2022

The description under one of the pictures is misleading because it states that Polish troops entered Kyiev after signing of the Riga agreement but it is false. Polish troops entered Kyiv along Ukrainian troops of Petlura and later one the soviet counter offensive was lunched against Poland and the battle of Warsaw was won by Poles the Riga agreements was signed. Please correct that as it falsify the history and creates as if Kyiv was occupied by Poles.

Is: "Polish troops enter Kyiv in May 1920 during the Polish–Soviet War. Following the Peace of Riga signed on 18 March 1921, Poland took control of modern-day western Ukraine while Soviets took control of eastern and central Ukraine."

Should be just: "Polish troops enter Kyiv in May 1920 during the Polish–Soviet War. " 

or

"Polish troops enter Kyiv in May 1920 during the Polish–Soviet War. Kyiv was captured again by bolshevik troops later this year which they retained after Riga agreement." 31.61.227.10 (talk) 18:35, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.. Colonestarrice (talk) 02:44, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Recognised regional languages of ukraine

Crimean tatar, Krymchak, Gagauz, Hungarian, Karaim, Romanian and Russian are regional Recognised Languages 92.40.213.238 (talk) 12:54, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source for that please? Chidgk1 (talk) 19:36, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This might be a reliable source for it: https://www.husj.harvard.edu/articles/language-status-and-state-loyalty-in-ukraine Ozziebro (talk) 07:49, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just so you know, its a Harvard website so I think it might be more in-depth. Ozziebro (talk) 07:50, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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