Talk:Moses

Possible addition to the 'Film' subject + addition of a Theatre subject

I was wondering, would it be possible to add that the film 'The Prince of Egypt' depicts Moses and the Egyptian Pharaoh as Rameses? It's just so as to make clear that the film is merely an adaptation with artistic license. Also, a musical theatre adaptation of 'The Prince of Egypt' was released in London in 2020, on the West End. Could someone add in that subject, to contribute to the depictions of Moses in popular culture? Thanks! Two Red Engines

The Etymology

While the Wikipedia page gives the Egyptian version of Yehuda's etymology as "mw-zꜣ", this is actually a neat piece of original scholarship. Yehuda and Ulmer (the source) actually propose "mw-š". This section should be revised beyond this issue, but nevertheless it is inappropriate to allow such a misattribution to stand.

Recent edits concerning 2 quotations

I'm copying a discussion from my talk page here. It has to do with my revert here.

Hello. You reverted the edit I made to the Moses article. However, I still think it should say according Robert D. Miller II, not according to John van Seters. The citation in its current form uses two quotes from the book, which are real quotes from the book. However, only one of them refers to van Seters, yet the sentence is obviously really based only on the another quote, which does not refer to van Seters. It is Miller's own text that is not stating van Seters' conclusions, instead it does use the following citation: Jan Davis and Isabel Wollaston, “Memorials,” in The Sociology of Sacred Texts, ed. J. Davis and I. Wollaston (Sheffield: Sheffield Academic, 1993), 25.. Also, the book's editor uses the same quote and credits it to Miller in the introduction section (pp. 5-6). Finncle (talk) 21:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Finncle Having trouble sleeping so saw this. Are you saying the first quote is not van Seters? Because I see it attributed to him in other sources. But I won’t be able to deal with this until tomorrow UK time. Doug Weller talk 22:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, the first quote (The quest for the historical Moses is a futile exercise. He now belongs only to legend.) is his, but the other one has basically nothing to do with him. Finncle (talk) 23:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply] And this is important because the sentence in the Wikipedia article is clearly based on the other quote (I don't know why the van Seters quote is even used in the citation) and therefore its content should be attributed to Robert D. Miller II. Finncle (talk) 23:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't had a chance to look at this yet. Doug Weller talk 10:28, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I've removed the last bit. Yes, it's by Miller, but he is referring to the paragraph about that barely paraphrased statement and thus we can't use it without some precis of that paragraph. Doug Weller talk 13:27, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

> Only God is worthy of worship in Judaism.

Perhaps a citation to the primary text via this url:

https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0506.htm#5 — Preceding unsigned comment added by SofaMato (talk • contribs) 23:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

The scripture reads 'God nearly killed Moses' SON, who was saved by Zipporah'. Wikipedia Locked Article reads: "During the journey, God tried to kill Moses,[44] but Zipporah saved his life." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:246:4A00:65F0:7CA8:6861:764D:DFA5 (talk) 02:50, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

"And it came to pass on the way at the lodging-place, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him." What translation are you quoting? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:31, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2022

Under “Abrahamic Religions” and the section under “Islam”, there’s a line towards the end of the first paragraph stating “…the different chapters (suwar) of the Quran…” “suwar” translates to pig in many south Asian languages, which is considered unclean in Judaism and Islam. There are many instances of indian Islamophobes using pig references to insult Islam and this appears to be another case. Allowing it to stand serves to undermine Wikipedia’s objectivity.

“Suwar” needs to be edited to “surah”, which is indeed the title of the page it links to. 136.32.176.95 (talk) 23:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Not done. Surah says the plural of surahs is suwar and this is chapters plural. --Mvqr (talk) 12:23, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Moses

Artistic vision/What the buyer wanted

If Moses was born in this area in the 17th century how can he be white ? 77.98.244.49 (talk) 23:51, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Because the guy who casted the film chose Charlton Heston to play the role? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Whitewashing of historical figures and facts

All of the historic figures throughout history that were from the Middle East or Africa would of been black peoples! So why are they all white on anything you want to learn about the history from these areas (Africa/Middle east) I think it’s only right to rectify this problem for future generations 77.98.244.49 (talk) 23:55, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Artistic license. Also, this article is not about a historic figure. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:00, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

The 1104 BC Exodus: for Egyptologists and archaeologists

A fabulous paper by William Austin: "The 1104 BC Exodus: for Egyptologists and archaeologists"

https://www.academia.edu/74428606/The_1104_BC_Exodus_for_Egyptologists_and_archaeologists

"Quoting Artapanus, Eusebius calls the pharaoh who died while Moses was in Midian Chenephres" (Ramses 9 - Nefer ka Ra) 2601:58B:E7F:8410:1567:57D:D006:81CD (talk) 20:52, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

This appears to be an unpublished paper by a hobbyist.--Ermenrich (talk) 21:07, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

And about as reliable as ramblings from bar patrons. Dimadick (talk) 15:42, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Contemporaries of Moses in the bible were Amminidab and Naason. Those 2 are identified as Amenhotep, high priest of Amon and his brother Nesamun. So the quote of Eusebius confirms the timeline is correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amenhotep_(High_Priest_of_Amun)